In this episode, Holman and Lightning dive into the IGLA product that prevented the theft of Lightning’s TRX. A friend of the show showcases impressive emissions-compliant power on a late-model Super Duty, and a listener cracks our latest culinary mystery. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan, in association with Banks Power.



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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (0s):

Looks like we’ve got someone new in the studio with us.

Axel (3s):

Hey guys, this is Axel, your new producer Phil Axel Miles outran, the extension cord on his electric truck, leaving him stranded somewhere. He won’t be back anytime soon. And to be honest, he didn’t know much about trucks. Me. On the other hand, I drive a 2015 Ram Cummins. That rolls Mad Cole, I’m one of you. Let’s do this.

Sean P. Holman (23s):

Alright, well it sounds like you’re hired, sir. Although you probably shouldn’t be rolling Coal. We, I don’t need the HR department to,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30s):

You know. No, no Axle. Go bolt on some, go bolt on A DPF and the dev system and come

Sean P. Holman (36s):

Back to us. Yeah, go see our friend Corey. We’ll, we’ll,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38s):

No, no, no. Corey’s outta that business.

Sean P. Holman (39s):

No, no, no. To make it clean. Oh, to You Heard what he just did with the Super Duty, right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42s):

Yeah. He made 150 horse powerboard.

Sean P. Holman (46s):

That, that’s for news, not for now. That’s news. That’s news. You don’t wanna do

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49s):

That here at the beginning of the show? No. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (50s):

That’s news. Alright. What I do wanna do at the beginning of the show is talk to you about some additional information that came out with that Sparks Nikola deal

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59s):

Right now. Right here. Right

Sean P. Holman (1m 1s):

Here. But that,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 1s):

That’s news as well.

Sean P. Holman (1m 3s):

No, no, no. That, that’s not news. That’s a, that’s a soap opera.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 6s):

Okay. Please tell me more.

Sean P. Holman (1m 7s):

So, a apparently, well, let me ask you this. Do you know what the new owners of the Nikola Badger and WaveRunner and the UTV, all that IP paid Nikola

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 19s):

For that? So you’re saying Dave Sparks and his crew, what did they pay Nikola for all of that merchandise and intellectual property? I’m gonna say half a million dollars.

Sean P. Holman (1m 31s):

Apparently it’s $0. Wait, what? So Nicola’s, chief Legal Officer, Brit Whan, was on a conference call with media and said that Sparks and his partner Cole Cannon, had quote unquote, expressed a desire to bring the badger to market and brought several EV related partners to meetings. And then they hammered out a deal, or were in the works. And so basically what happened was Nicola is loaning the money to his new company, Ember, to purchase the assets. And in exchange they’ll get a 30% stake in the company. So that way it could retain, quote unquote, retain some value for shareholders, if anything ever becomes of the Badger or the other vehicles.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 11s):

So this is interesting, Nikola, or at least the people at Nikola who hold the purse strings, think that there is a chance that

Sean P. Holman (2m 19s):

No, they think they’re hedging their best. They could be successful. No. They, they either have paperweights that are never doing anything, or they take a flyer on this deal and if anything happens, they make money on it,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 28s):

But they’re loaning him the money

Sean P. Holman (2m 31s):

Because it’s the risk for the chance that something could come of it. Hmm. Are they’re loaning the money against a future multi hundred million dollar operation versus giving up what, 20 million in assets or something like that? Maybe. Who knows?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 49s):

Very interesting. So,

Sean P. Holman (2m 50s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 50s):

Dave did not actually, well, he purchased it technically, but for nothing. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (2m 54s):

Well, not, it doesn’t sound like anything out of his pocket, at least according to this. So anyway, the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 0s):

Plot thickens

Sean P. Holman (3m 1s):

And as part of that Nikola deal with Milton, right? Back in the day, Trevor Milton. Trevor Milton and Sparks. So apparently Dave at that time, you know what the number of shares he got from Milton for backing Badger and all that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 16s):

No clue.

Sean P. Holman (3m 16s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 19s):

500,000 shares. Yeah. That Can you imagine if those were worth a hundred bucks a piece?

Sean P. Holman (3m 24s):

Well, it’s holy yeahm. So Sparks and Canon had to agree to the demands of Nikola, that Milton would not be involved directly or indirectly in any way if these projects, and then the quote goes on. Over the three and a half years since Mr. Milton left the company, we at Nikola have worked to stay above the fray, not comment on his legal proceedings to stay focused on the work at hand to bring zero Emissions class eight trucks to market. The irony that Mr. Milton is now trying to take control of Nikola, after all that has happened in the past three and a half years, has not lost on us at the company. We will continue to push back against any efforts he makes to attempt to take control of Nikola. And we believe our directors and management are far in away better for our stockholders than a slave directors who lack relevant experience to run a clean energy and clean tech company.

Sean P. Holman (4m 11s):

End quote. And if you remember, you know, a few episodes ago we talked about it and I, I called his video cringey. We put in the description and I had some listeners call us out and go, no, no, he, he’s super genuine. No. Like, there’s no, what, what’s cringey about explaining to me? And I’m like, did you watch the video? Listen to our show. We explained it. And he’s like, no, no. He’s, I feel like he’s totally genuine. I’m like, he’s a great marketer. He’s a great marketer,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 36s):

He’s a great marketer.

Sean P. Holman (4m 37s):

You’ll never see that vehicle come to market. And if I’m wrong on

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 39s):

My words, he’s trying to get himself, if you didn’t hear that episode, we talked about how that video was designed to get him elected to the board. Right. Based on the board of Nikola,

Sean P. Holman (4m 48s):

Along with some other people that Trevor put forward. And Nikola shot it down and said, no, these people aren’t qualified to be on the board because he’s just trying to get his company back. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 59s):

Nikola is just pushing back and letting everyone know this is not, this is okay.

Sean P. Holman (5m 4s):

We’re not going this direction.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 5s):

No bueno.

Sean P. Holman (5m 5s):

Yep. So anyway, the, the drama continues at the old Nikola factory, and not necessarily with Nikola, but just, you know, it seems like they just can’t quite cut ties with their old founder and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 19s):

Well, they’re trying,

Sean P. Holman (5m 20s):

They’re trying. They’re trying.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 21s):

Hmm. Interesting news. So

Sean P. Holman (5m 24s):

PRX still in your possession? Yes. Has it been stolen again?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 28s):

How dare you.

Sean P. Holman (5m 29s):

No, but you were talking, you’re not

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 30s):

The only person who’s asked that, by the way. Well,

Sean P. Holman (5m 32s):

It’s funny ’cause you keep posting stuff on Facebook and Instagram and like, people just randomly lob in. Hey, is your truck stolen yet? It’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 38s):

Pretty funny. Yeah. So here’s the deal. I brought it over to our friend Jackson Ellis’s dealership. Yep. And they did their assessment. And my progressive auto insurance went by and assisted, and I’m gonna pay my 500 bucks deductible. And they said it’s gonna be a month before we can get glass. Right.

Sean P. Holman (5m 53s):

We talked about that month. We

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 54s):

Talked about that. I know. All right. So then I went and picked up The truck, brought it back to banks

Sean P. Holman (5m 59s):

Because you had somebody come in and do something. I had,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 1s):

I had three somebodies. Okay. Fly down from CompUSA in Seattle. Okay. The home base.

Sean P. Holman (6m 7s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 8s):

To install

Sean P. Holman (6m 9s):

I, no, not why, what they, I understand what their business is. Why you, why did they fly down for you?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 15s):

That’s a great question, Don.

Sean P. Holman (6m 17s):

Oh, I know. That’s why I don’t,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 18s):

I don’t

Sean P. Holman (6m 19s):

Pro I’m a professional interviewer.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 20s):

We, we have a mutual friend Okay. Who listens to the show. He called up Jason, who’s the managing director at Compus Star. Okay. And said, this is a, you need to be on this podcast. You need to help this guy meaning me and get the word out that these Mopar vehicles are so easy to steal along with others like the Camaro and Kias that we’re hearing about on the news. And the next thing I know, Jason calls me and we’re having a great conversation. He goes, yeah, we’re gonna fly down there and installed for you. And I said, you’re gonna fly from Seattle with two of your installers and install it like the guys who work at the company Wow. Designing the, the product are flying down here.

Sean P. Holman (6m 59s):

So is it done, do they do it? Done. Okay. So I, I’m assuming we’ll have more about them in a future episode. But this episode is dedicated to phase one of you keeping your TRX in your hot, grubby, sweaty hands. And that is Igla, which is the anti-theft device that actually worked and kept it in your driveway. And we have an interview with them on this show where I asked hard hitting questions such as at what point did he decide to arrange to have your vehicle broken into in your driveway so that it would elevate his product and you would talk about how it worked.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 33s):

He’s not kidding. He actually asked this question. We know this because we taped it in advance. Now listen, I will say that I’ve said it before, I think it’s like the fifth time I’ve said it, you’re gonna hear it again on this interview. Without this device, I believe, without any shadow of a doubt, my TRX would be in Mexico and would be owned by some drug. Lord.

Sean P. Holman (7m 51s):

I mean, that’s kind of cool. You’d be like, oh dude, L chap, like my

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 54s):

Fine if it were a bone stocked TRX that I hadn’t put my blood, sweat and tears into, you know, like I’ve got a lot

Sean P. Holman (8m 0s):

You, it was a paper cut when you’re putting dym foil in the back, please. Some real blood. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 5s):

Listen, yeah, we we’re gonna catch up with John and, and find out what the hell igla is. What does it mean and how do you get it, how does it work? All that stuff. So stick around if you’re interested in anti theft. I think it’s gonna, even

Sean P. Holman (8m 18s):

If you’re not interested in it, I was sort of like on the fence, like, I’m like, is this snake oil? Is this,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 23s):

No, it’s, I don’t

Sean P. Holman (8m 23s):

Sketchy. And I asked a lot of questions that I think a lot of you would ask, and I was very upfront with it. And I, we went through that and I was like, okay, that’s interesting. So I, it, it’s one of those shows that I think that you might off the cuff might be like, eh, but it’s worth the listen because the technology behind it and the, the ground that we cover, I think it pretty cool. So, but first we have to thank our presenting sponsor Nissan. And by the way, Nissan, we’ve got some Nissan news and then hopefully here in the next week or two, I’ve got more Nissan news and, okay. So we’ll see, we’ll see if that all comes together. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 57s):

Can you tell me it about the frontier?

Sean P. Holman (8m 59s):

I can’t tell you anything. So listen, if you are in the market for a brand new truck, owe it to yourself, that was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 6s):

Embargoed to

Sean P. Holman (9m 7s):

Head on over to your local Nissan dealer where you can Test Drive, touch, feel, take a look at the Nissan Frontier, the Nissan Titan or the Nissan Titan Xd. Great reliable pickup trucks you can build and price at Nissan usa dot com. I’ve been driving a frontier for the past three months or so and freaking love it. It’s the perfect size, gets great fuel economy and unlike a lot of other things on the market, there’s no hybrid powertrain, there’s no turbos, there’s no, it’s not like a bunch. It, it has everything you need. Nothing you don’t, it’s not overly fancy yet. It has adaptive cruise control. It’s got the Fender audio system, it’s got great big nine inch screen

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 43s):

Utility tracks and CarPlay and everything. You need

Sean P. Holman (9m 45s):

All, all of it. The heated seats, the the, the whole nine yards. And I really enjoyed driving that truck. And I have to say for the money, it’s really hard to beat the value proposition and how much capability that you get in that truck. So again, if you’re interested in a new truck, head on over to your local Nissan dealer and check it out. And if you participate in our frontier spotting campaign, head over to at truck Show Podcast on Instagram, check out our reels. I saw your video because I put a video up of as many photos as I could in a minute and a half reel.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 14s):

You did you choose some ac DC song? Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (10m 17s):

It’s Thunderstruck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 18s):

I know why. I mean, I liked it. I loved the

Sean P. Holman (10m 20s):

Song. ’cause it just matched the high tempo of all the photos. Yeah. And did you did how many people, hold

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 24s):

On. Did AI build that for you?

Sean P. Holman (10m 26s):

No, I did it myself. Took me, it took me like six hours.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 29s):

No way.

Sean P. Holman (10m 30s):

I had to go to every email and I had to download all the photos and then I had to put all the photos together. I had to weed out the ones that were of old frontiers and, and not the new body style.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 41s):

Are you sure your 5-year-old daughter didn’t make it for you? Dude, I,

Sean P. Holman (10m 43s):

I did the whole thing and I even did the, the whole Intro and keynote. It had the typewriter noise and the thing I, I could tell I did it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 51s):

Holman is not a videographer.

Sean P. Holman (10m 53s):

Listen, you did an it, it’s decent. Did an exceptional job. Job. Sure you did. I did an exceptional job. Okay. That I have had so many people go, dude, that was a great use of those photos. Thank, you other persons that are aren’t lightening. Okay. And where was Lightning saying, Hey let, let’s do something cool with you. All those photos sitting in our inbox And I said, you know what, I’m gonna handle

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 12s):

This. We have a discussion about it,

Sean P. Holman (11m 13s):

Handle this. I barely, it’s not true. Barely. Barely.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 16s):

You’re like, oh, we should do something with those. I was like, sure, maybe whatever. Should

Sean P. Holman (11m 19s):

We barely have a discussion about the the ID dash or the Pedal Monster now? No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 23s):

Whatcha talking about? So we’re not gonna talk about either of those things. This last couple weeks, banks dropped a couple new parts, one of which you’ll enjoy. Okay, so the ID dash, which you have in your Wrangler 3 92. I do. Okay, well you have it in the upper mount. Yep. Right. The stealth pod mount up by your visor. And I have the

Sean P. Holman (11m 39s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 39s):

We just have the got the lower one in last week. So a lot of you guys that have switch pros or whatever you have in the top mount, we now have the lower mount available. So if you, very cool, if you wanna run the ID dash, maybe you wanna control the pedal monster, maybe you have an EcoDiesel, you wanna control the Derringer tuner and you have that top mount already spoken for now that lower just beneath your grab handle. We have an ID dash stealth pod for you. It’s a complete solution for you Wrangler and Gladiator guys. And another thing that dropped about a week ago is the Durmax map sensor spacer. If you’ve driven a durmax, a lot of you guys know that your map sensor that sits in that cast aluminum intake manifold, it gets gunked up with soot.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 21s):

It’s soot that comes around in the EGR system when it gets gunked up with soot, the pressure and temperature, it’s a T map. So it’s temperature pressure. Those readings get skewed because that sensor’s caked in soot and your truck just doesn’t respond as well as it should. The along comes banks with a map sensor spacer that moves the sensor out of that dirty Airstream. So no more maintenance and it’s only 79 bucks. And where can I find those wonderful parts that lighting? Head over to Banks Power dot com. Type in your year make and model and that’s where you’ll find the parts for your truck,

Recording (12m 54s):

The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer what The truck truck rides with The truck show. We have the lifted We have the lowered and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show won. Whoa. It’s The truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 32s):

Alright, Holman, if You don’t mind, I wanna talk about anti-theft devices. Why? Because you had recent experience with one. This is John Tang of ILI SoCal and he is the guy that installed the device that kept the TRX in my driveway or sent the bandits to your house to make you think that you you can accuse me. Well I’m gonna ask him about it. I’m gonna dial and let you do that. Let’s find out. Oh dude, I double dogged. Dare you. I’ll do it. Don’t do ’em dirty like that.

5 (13m 57s):

Hello. Please state your name after the tone and Google Voice will try to connect you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 3s):

Lightning and Holman from The truck. Show. Podcast what? Geez, he’s laughing. Didn’t hear that. Hey John, how you doing John? What’s happening?

John (14m 19s):

I’m laughing because of that Intro. Hey, how you doing?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 22s):

We’re outstanding. So it’s Lightning and Holman. You know me, you don’t know Holman over here crossing me at the desk. But yeah, I’ve heard so much about you John. I wanna know, are you both the purveyor of Lightning’s Igloo system and also the guy that sent dudes to his house two weeks later to break his back window? Oh wait. And make him feel safe if you’re gonna come right out with it. Let’s just get that out of the way. Oh man.

John (14m 45s):

Well that, that’s an idea. That’s not a bad idea, I guess from a marketing standpoint.

Sean P. Holman (14m 51s):

See what I’m telling you? Yep.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 53s):

He’s got it’s full circle for John. Right. Hold on, we got a quick Intro. John, don’t answer that question. We’re coming right back.

Recording (15m 0s):

Pull up a stool and share, pull up a stool and share a story. Pull up a stool and share.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 10s):

How about you pull up my stool and share with us. So John, before we jump into it, we wanna get your backstory so we know that you’re like one of us, like a truck dude

Sean P. Holman (15m 21s):

Or a former car thief that is reformed. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 24s):

No. Well, I I don’t know that much.

Sean P. Holman (15m 26s):

I mean, come on.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 27s):

It’s not like we’ve been bros for years,

Sean P. Holman (15m 29s):

Mean, let’s find out. Maybe

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 30s):

He is. I feel like we are, but I don’t know. He saved my truck.

Sean P. Holman (15m 33s):

I feel like everybody on those home security system commercials on Fox News are former convicts and they’re like, I used to rob houses and now Sean Hannity says you should have this protection and it’ll defeat me or something. So that, that could be our man John here. I don’t know.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 47s):

Let’s find out.

John (15m 49s):

Definitely not. So just a little bit of background. I mean I, I have been doing this for about 20 years. I was one of the lead installers out in Circuit City back in the day. You all might be familiar, it’s not quite around anymore brick and mortar stores, but they had a, you know, installation Bay Roadshow they called it. I was one of the lead mobile security specialists and it really came from a passion, you know, cars and everything. Still cars is a passion. So it was definitely not a reformed fee for anything like that. So, and we are, we are car guys. We, we own a 2022 TRX ourselves in a shop vehicle. So definitely one of one of us. And how, one of you also

Sean P. Holman (16m 30s):

And how many times has that one been stolen?

John (16m 33s):

You know, fortunately I do have a more secure parking spot. It’s outside so it’s not readily seen. And we, and so we, I and, and, and to be frank, we har we hardly drive it. We actually just drive it to our customers when we do our mobile installations. So it, it doesn’t get much mileage, especially where we live and with the family, it’s just a little bit easier to take the, the family cars as opposed to the T Rx even though we, that’s one of the reasons we bought it, you know, the, the smiles per gallon don’t help, you know, getting nine smiles per gallon.

Sean P. Holman (17m 5s):

Well it’s funny because it doesn’t help. So Lightning and I were talking and he said that you had your TRX as a insurance policy and that if his got got stolen you would just give him yours.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 18s):

You like that, you like that pregnant pause right there. You had to think about it for a second.

John (17m 23s):

Like Oh yeah, actually not, not a bad idea how to put that Yeah. As a, as a, a marketing tool. But definitely, you know, I, you know, I even told the wife we, I was gonna just get it out my system, get this truck have for eight months and I I’ll get rid of it. But you know, it’s one of the best cars we’ve, we’ve gone and I, I I can’t seem to let it go and you know, it’s kind of tough to get another one if you, even if you wanted to, prices gone up quite a bit since we got ours though.

Sean P. Holman (17m 51s):

I had one for a year and one of the best trucks I’ve ever I’ve ever had. Love that thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 56s):

So John, let’s go back Oh yeah. To your days at Circuit City that, you know, every, everyone, like every loca Circuit City was nationwide, right? I think almost every major city had a Circuit City. when You were there, were you doing like Viper and Clifford and all the, all the alarms that that guys did back in the, in the nineties and two thousands? Is that what your specialty was? Yeah,

John (18m 18s):

It was. We, we actually had two different brands. One of ’em was Python, it was a, it was a DEI product, you know, same, same as the Viper line. So yeah, we were installing them and you know, like automotive product, it, it’s simple to understand, simple to install, but it really is the passion, dedication of the installer itself. Right. How well the install will become. And so yeah, we we did do that when we did it often we did security and audio, but my focus was really on the mobile security side.

Sean P. Holman (18m 44s):

I remember the, the old Viper alarms I would be stop, you are in the proximity of

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 50s):

This car. No, that was Crime stopper.

Sean P. Holman (18m 52s):

That was, I remember crime stopper too. But there’s also a viper that had a, an audible alarm that would yell at you if you got within a certain walking distance. They

John (19m 0s):

Had that a Viper Clifford was a big one right back then. So they all had that speaking the warning siren Definitely can get annoying. Yeah. Installed Coke, quite a bit of those, you know, false alerts warning,

Sean P. Holman (19m 11s):

False alarm. Warning. I am a pretentious douche bags car. Please break into me immediately.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 17s):

So then I wanna talk about how you found, how did you get out of Circuit City and then into Igla? Was there something in between and then, well

Sean P. Holman (19m 26s):

I’m guessing there was something in between. Yeah,

John (19m 28s):

Well yeah, I, you know, it’s funny ’cause back then I was doing it for several years and kind of got out of it as, as the, the car industry advanced, you thought about, oh they come out with transponders, with encryption on certain things, on modules. So you thought, oh well mobile security’s probably probably gonna go down a little bit, you know, and you know, just standard audio security or maybe just alarms on certain cars, remote starters. That, that was it. I was still in the field for a little bit doing trackers and all that. And then kind of how we came about with ilo, SoCal was about three years ago when we were thinking about getting t Rx, we, we write about how easy it was to seal The truck and it really fascinated us because we thought how could they be taking it now with all the technology that was available and, and everything and how could it be easier?

John (20m 17s):

And come to find out, it is as easy as ever to take a TRS or any Mopar product for that matter since 2016. I think they, 2015 or 16, they didn’t know about the vulnerability. They came out, you know, Mopar came out with things like the security gateway module. But I think the, the implementation was, you know, especially in the aftermarket, they were, they easily figured it out how to get around that. And then they came out with, you know, tools for locksmiths and whatnot that they developed to be able to make a new key. And that’s really where they’re utilizing these same tools to pick up these cars now. And you think about it now, you, you think, wow, with all that technology, couldn’t they have redone something, redid, you know, the encryption redid the hardware and they just have not, and I tell the customers we’re, we’re really in business because, you know, the OEMs have not really made insignificant advances in on this front just yet.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 8s):

And how did you find Iggy? You said you got your truck, you started looking around, you got scared that it could get stolen. I mean, you are in LA County so theft is a thing, dude,

Sean P. Holman (21m 18s):

I, I am, this is holding here and I’m gonna say that just ’cause Lightning always says this is Lightning. Here I am on several groups on Facebook and part of a pursuit notification deal ’cause I love police pursuits and I will literally stop anything I’m doing three, four times a day when we have our police pursuits on the news here in la. I will tell you, 60% of the time it is a Mopar product and normally a Hellcat challenger charger or something like that that’s zipping through the SoCal freeway system. Either that the other 40% is a Kia and then it’s everything else. Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 51s):

And speaking of Kia, wasn’t it just like the, the mayor of Detroit or somewhere I, I gotta look this up, but one of the mayors, one of the cities in the Midwest is attempting to sue Kia because there have been so many stolen, they’re

Sean P. Holman (22m 4s):

Too easy to steal.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 5s):

Yeah. It’s causing them too many man hours for the police and, and highway patrol chasing them all the time.

John (22m 11s):

I mean you even hear false stories by the FBI agent or one of the federal agents that got stolen. But I mean, to get back to that question and you know, when we started three years ago, we really looked at the, the landscape and thought what is the best product? There’s gotta be something here that, that that can protect it, right? I mean and there really wasn’t except Ila and it really wasn’t a big known name. In a shout out, one of the, the lead North American installers that, that’s Steve label out in S-A-S-N-A security out in River Grove of Illinois. I think he really advanced it about five years ago and he was actively installing this on mopars to protect them. And so I reached out to author who is the distributor who’s the main company and said, Hey, it doesn’t look like you have any representative representation on the west coast.

John (22m 58s):

I’m thoroughly familiar with the automotive security industry. Can we become a dealer? And all that. They were an international firm, so it was quite hard to communicate with them. Responses were quite tough. So it’s, we spent almost eight months chasing them to say, Hey, can we get this to install? Is they install it here? How do we get this product? And then come to find out, again, there was nobody out here to represent them. So we said, Hey, could we, could we do something here? Could we start it? So we really became the first I English shop out on the west coast. There’s several more now and we, we have it up and down the, the California coast. We have ghost alarm down in Oceanside. We have full blown, that also represents LA then we have West Coast Auto Security up in the city and north.

John (23m 39s):

So right now we’ve, we’ve really advanced it throughout the nation. So most of the states are covered for most parts of the region. I think one of the thoughts you guys had, so I I listened to your podcast, I heard the last one. You know, we have living installers and one of the ideas there is we, we were trying to maintain quality here. This is a, a premium product and we wanted to maintain the aspect of the installation quality and the proper training for the customer. So we are very selective with who we do allow to be installers and most of them are now fully trained on how to, how to actually install it properly, how to install it and how to train the user on using it properly so they’re not frustrated. So it’s the ease of product and all that. You’re

Sean P. Holman (24m 18s):

Probably referring to me leveling questions one after the other on, on Lightning with what happens if you get hit by a bus or what happens if I want it removed or what happens if the module goes bad and there’s a draw. ’cause clearly the product works, like we’ve seen, we have a real world firsthand case study of it working, which is awesome. I’m always worried about long term, like where did the technology come from? Where, where’s the customer service if something happens. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 46s):

That some of that is, some of that is shaky. So like he had to track them down. This is a Czech product, correct? From the Czech Republic. Is that, is that right?

John (24m 54s):

So now it really, most of distribution comes from Sylvania. Yeah, we have the same concerns, right? What about this product? I mean we, a lot of clients, you know, especially when we started they were, you know, they were Ukraine war started and all that and it’s like, are we supporting international company and all that? So, you know, as we looked at the field, this was really the best product and it’s not, you know, it, this doesn’t, this can, but it doesn’t right now. You know, communicate outside, right? It tap in the CAN bus and you’re very, it’s very much a unique product. If there was an alternative, right, maybe we would explore that. But really it’s only a product on market that does what it can. We can go into a little bit more of the features later too, of all the features actually that it offers. But you touched upon the support side and, and you know, like any new business, there are some growing pains, right?

John (25m 38s):

So we, you know, most of our dealer network is very solid now and so we support each other if you, you know, kind of go outta state if you have any issues. The perfect example is this one. We, we recently had an issue with A TRX in Texas. I’m not sure if it was the ilow or not. It was installed at a, a very experienced installer out in one of the cities in Texas and he actually lived two hours away in Texas, quite big. So one of our local mobile installers, John Rodriguez, out of circuit, circuit breaker security and performance, he’s like, Hey, I’m 20 minutes from you, lemme take a look. If it’s in iLab I’ll take care of it. Sure enough, there was some issue with the igla, don’t know exactly what here, but he offered to take care of ’em.

John (26m 20s):

’cause we are a tight-knit group. We are very solid. So our reputation stands for itself. So you can essentially reach out to most all the igla installers nationwide and, and we’d be able to support you as best as we can.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 32s):

Yeah, I mean that was the question that Holman had is that, look, I, one of our first conversations you said, I said, Hey, I’d love to watch you do it and this, and you said no, you can’t watch me put it in. I don’t want anyone to know where it’s installed. We do not want the word getting out even though Jay it’s your truck and you probably won’t share it, but if you did, you never know who you’re gonna tell and who they’ll tell. And then once the device can be found, then they could potentially remove it. So I don’t even know what the device looks like. I got an empty cardboard box with some instructions in it and I, and a card. It’s not like I buy this at a retail store. So you can’t just go into and buy your,

Sean P. Holman (27m 11s):

Well, I mean honestly my alarm

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 12s):

And see what the brain looks like. If

Sean P. Holman (27m 13s):

Your truck You don know hadn’t been attempt attempted to be stolen, you could have just bought a cardboard box.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 22s):

I, right. Well no, no, that’s not true because I know that my truck won’t start when I don’t put in the code. Like literally it’s doing something.

Sean P. Holman (27m 29s):

Oh, your Nintendo A BBA.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 31s):

Yes. Like, yeah, so John put in a code, then I reprogram the code. It’s using steering Wheel controls, AC controls, whatever you, you know, you put in like five or six buttons. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (27m 41s):

The problem is that your wife gets in and she’s always too hot and then she puts the AC down too fast and boom. Now you can’t drive away. No, it’s not because she’s, if she’s like my wife, she’s super impatient and then that ruins the code you have to put in. Now your car’s bricked, then you’re just sitting there going, it’s,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 56s):

It’s not the AC button. I just threw that out there. Luckily that that doesn’t apply. But, so there is a fob, which we, we will get into that in a second. So for those people that can’t be bothered with the code, there’s a fob that you can use as well. So

Sean P. Holman (28m 7s):

I feel triggered from that comment. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 9s):

I want to, before we talk about the, the, the features, I think people need to understand how the thefts are occurring. We don’t have to get into into the the granular details, but I want you to talk about John, let’s discuss the CAN bus, the body control module and the re-keying. I don’t know that people who, I mean a lot of our audience drives like old C 10 trucks that don’t even have CAN bus while a lot of our audience do have brand new Rams, Fords, gm, Toyotas, whatever, and it’s all CAN bus. So can you take us through how these vehicles are susceptible

John (28m 46s):

And, and maybe I’ll speak specifically on Mopar because that’s really the hot topic here. Many my understanding you two, right? The CAM bus is really just this network of this communication network that runs throughout the car, right? It actually is meant to tie in all the different modules you have throughout the car and you have modules everywhere, right? For the headlight, for the radio, for body control modules everywhere. And it’s essentially on all modern cars that are tied together with the, or maybe even lin bust for more simplistic communication note going back to what I mentioned about the aftermarket. So, you know, as Mopar developed these, that security gateway module, the aftermarket also needed tools to be able to, you know, like a proper locksmith would be, hey, something loss is key, how do I duplicate it?

John (29m 29s):

Well, aftermarket came out with these tools to be able to bypass those modules and security gateway modules. And really what the fees are doing are using those same tools, they’re able to plug in to the canvas and use those tools just to create a key. And one of our vulnerabilities for the most part specifically is that the, the, the, the password for those modules are hard coded and those tools are able to just read that code and just develop a key right away. That’s truly how they’re getting around the mopars. And essentially they’re, I mean, doing the same with most other cars, the GM products, the Chevys and GMs, the Fords, and they’re doing the same thing, developing a key. They’ll be able to just plug in their programmer with somewhere on the canvas and the canvas bus runs through route and then make a key.

John (30m 10s):

And you might have seen also the canvas injection attacks, right? With Toyota and Lexuses where they’ll just pop a bumper loose or pop the headlight out Canvas runs through a module there, they just unplug it, plug in their programmer, they can unlock the car, start the car up and, and drive away. So same idea. So that’s really how they’re, they’re doing, you know, the way the IA works is that they intercept some of these messages so that canvas network does run throughout the car. So one of the benefits is that the Iola device is so small, it’s about an inch by two inches, maybe slightly smaller than that and we can hide it anywhere within the car. You bring up the concern that you don’t know, but that is the beauty of the product is that you don’t know and nobody else knows where it is because with any product, if you’re ever able to rip it out, it’s gone, right?

John (30m 52s):

You have an air tag, you have a, a normal kill switch, you rip that out and the function is defeated, right? So we can hide that product, it’s so small, we can hide it within the factory wiring room and you know, a thief, a dealer would be, you know, numberwise just looking at the car and won’t be able to find the device. It’s not just tucked under the dash like a normal alarm is traditionally installed or a normal PPS tracker from a dealer installed product. This is actually, there’s a level of installation that we, we take it to so that it’s not nearly found,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 24s):

It’s not being found, it’s intercepting communication. So the guy can’t put the vehicle into a re-keying mode.

Sean P. Holman (31m 31s):

So you gotta think of it like a natural gas line going into your house. And so you’ve got the meter and you’ve got gas line coming in and you can take the valve and basically close it so that gas can’t get through it. So those messages aren’t getting through the igla. And then when You do your, your code, your A BBA, it’s like turning that valve and putting it in the open position that allows the communication messages to flow freely. Is that oversimplification?

John (31m 58s):

Yeah, yeah, essentially. And, and more on, you know, it, it’s a packet filtering too, right? So we’re, they’re able to read the messages and then be able to just filter out what can go through and what can’t go through. That’s essentially what’s happening there because the, the idea there is that we’re tied into the canvas and the beauty of the product is that you don’t need additional devices to use it, right? The pin coat integrates elegantly with the factory controls, which is the steering Wheel buttons, radial buttons or door buttons to be able to enter your pin coat. So we’re monitoring those button presses to allow you to enter your custom pin code, develop a custom pin code to allow you to start the car, as well as filtering out for those commands of starting the car or blocking those commands to be able to initiate key programming or reading of the body control modules throughout the car.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 41s):

Interesting. So the filtering is what I didn’t know that’s I thought. It was like what you just described where they’re just blocking communication. They’re not though the igla device is looking for the key, the rekey commands or let’s put this into rekey mode and they’re filtering those out and not letting them pass through to the appropriate module.

Sean P. Holman (33m 1s):

So what happens, are you still using the gateway security module or are you bypassing that? And then second question is, are you having to splice the harness at all in order to put the IGLA in line with wherever it needs to be?

John (33m 16s):

So the first part is we don’t mess with any of the factory options devices. So security gateway module will stay in place. You know, it’s not like another device that will bypass it, right? You unplug it and plug it back in and this taps into your factory can bus network. So not unlike a traditional kill switch or whatnot, we don’t need to cut wires for most cars. We merely tap into that network and then be able to wire hide it within the factory rooms.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 43s):

Okay. So we’ll, we’ll assume that it’s got some type of connector. So he’s, you know, like when You buy a metric hit to adapt your new car stereo to where you’ve yanked out the old car stereo, you can buy the adapter so it seamlessly integrates you just, you’re not cutting wires and soldering all that. Well the

Sean P. Holman (33m 59s):

The reason I ask is can bus, as most of us in the aftermarket know, is highly finicky to voltage drops and so many of you who know who maybe put on powered running boards or lights and you tap power from the wrong thing and you start having all sorts of weird electrical or computer issues in your car, a lot of times that can be caused by canvas freaking out because it’s seeing voltage drops or delays in communications across the vehicle. So the, that’s, that’s why I’m curious is if you’re having to, you know, change the integrity of the factory wiring harness when You install it, I’m not asking how you do it necessarily, just is it easy to reverse and is it something that keeps the integrity of the factory wiring harness?

John (34m 42s):

It’s easily reversed, right? You can take out the product and reinsulate the wiring. Yeah, we’re very much familiar with it, right? With the CAM bus it’s like a five vol reference, you know, essentially we do test and we have a, a large test back, right? We have installers throughout the nation and we’re actually a tight knit group. So whenever a new car comes out we do test it, test it for firmware, we have to scan a new car. So we do ensure that it properly works on the cam bus and how we intend to install it before we fully issue that firmware out for deployment.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 13s):

Okay, so let’s talk about some of the, the functionality as we’ve already explained. For example, I get into my vehicle and there’s a sequence of events, you turn on the ignition, you put in your code and you start the vehicle whatever, but you have to do it in the right order ’cause this device is listening for those commands. Your can bus is always on And When, you do the commands, it hears that code that you just put in and then it allows those devices to boot up and run and you can start your vehicle and drive away. Aside from that, what are the other features? So it, it will prevent the vehicle from being put in that rekey mode. It will also prevent the vehicle from physically just starting, right? I can’t start The truck without putting in my code.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 55s):

Correct? Correct.

John (35m 56s):

At least that’s the setting that we have currently. So with, you can set it to, for most cars you should be able to set it for both what we call engine start inhibit. So the default setting is to have that on so it’ll prevent you from starting before you enter the pin code. We can also set it on certain cars like the TRX to allow you to start the car before you enter the pin code. But with the TRX we do have an additional lockout and you’ll see that in remote start right? Is that if you start the car, you won’t be able to shift into gear. You physically on the T Rx you can move it since it’s a, it’s not a, it’s not a mechanical linkage, you’ll move it but it’ll actually locks out the transition from being the shift so that lights will be flashing, you’ll still be stuck in park.

John (36m 39s):

But yeah, the idea is that it just listens for the pink coat in the background. It allows you to use the car as you normally would. It’s not detectable easily so that you can even somebody sitting next to you watching you and so the pink coat doesn’t really know what you are doing and it’s very inconspicuous. Right? Some of the features is that it again, it allows you to keep remote start unlike other products that have to do a, a start or interrupt or power interrupt. You can keep remote start and on those cars that we keep remote start, we ensure that there is some protection. Some cars, when You shift it’ll automatically shut down because that it detects a shifter. The gear change or like again, like the TRX or some of the mopars, it’s actually locking out the shifter from being able to shift.

John (37m 19s):

So the car is on, it’s running, but you won’t be able to shift out gear until you enter the pink code. You

Sean P. Holman (37m 24s):

Have transport mode versus valet mode. So that’s great, it’s awesome. Lightning can get in, he’s the sole driver of his vehicle. But what happens when he drops it off at the hotel or what happens when he drops it off for service at the Ram dealership just did it like he just had to do that to get his rear window

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 39s):

Replaced. So there’s a button that you push a number of times, just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, whatever the code is. And then you watch the four way flashers in your dashboard and they blink a commensurate number of times and then it’s defeated I believe until the vehicle you either reactivate it or you drive over 50 miles an hour, is it, it’ll automatically turn itself back on.

John (38m 1s):

So a couple things. If you drop it for service, there’s two modes. There’s a service mode, there’s a transportation mode, transportation mode we don’t recommend because that that will turn off igla entirely until you, you turn it back on. We’ve had cases where customers thought they automatically turned back on and they forgot to turn it on. So they lost that protection of igla service mode is temporarily disabling igla until two things. One is if you intentionally turn it back on with by answering your pin code again or two if you drive for 30 miles an hour for 15 minutes, but that is a default setting. Installers can’t change that can shorten that, lengthen that. But the idea there is, hey I turn off, I dropped it off to the dealership and somebody must have taken the car, they take the car, drove it on the freeway past the thresholds and then next time they go to start it up it is active and they’ll be blocking them completely.

John (38m 52s):

The other idea too is it’s very easy to change your pin coat. So we tell ’em too if hey if you don’t need to do any diagnostics on the body control modules, then you don’t necessarily need to put in service mode. So if you’re guest going for a quick oil change something, something exterior, a wrap, a detail, you can consider changing your pin coat to something simple, giving that to your service advisor and then when You get it back, change it back to your permanent pay code. That way whoever’s moving your car is intentionally doing that themselves and not somebody just just picked up your teeth. But we do have customers, so we’re probably, you know, we did a survey of all the dealers nationwide. We do have some customers like you were talking your spouse, you know the spouses can’t be troubled by entering a PIN code.

John (39m 34s):

Well you can’t carry the fob and the FOB is an encrypted group to signal it’s proximity based. So if it’s the battery’s in there and you’re within the cabinet of the car, it’ll automatically disarm. You can just start it up and you just drive away. You just have to understand the risk there. If you lose the key, somebody swipes the key, the fob is in there, well if they’re jumped in they’re gonna take off with the car. That’s the only downside with it. Or if you leave the key with the fob at the service advisor and they take the key, it will will be off as so long as that proximity based key fob is on the key chain.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 5s):

Yeah and that and that key fob Holman is about the size of a guitar pick and and almost as thin, like it’s really small. It’s not like you’re carrying another key around. So yeah, but I would give that to the wife.

Sean P. Holman (40m 15s):

How do you know if that battery goes bad?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 18s):

How do you know if it goes bad?

Sean P. Holman (40m 19s):

Is it an NFC non-powered chip or if it’s Bluetooth, is there a battery? Oh no, it’s a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 24s):

Go. It’s like a watch battery I right now, so when You give it to me, the, the batteries were outside of it. Yeah, yeah it’s like a CR 2 32 or whatever those

Sean P. Holman (40m 30s):

You know. So how do you know when the battery is dead? Is there any way to know, I guess your car won’t start you, you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 35s):

Just wouldn’t Yeah, you wouldn’t start.

John (40m 36s):

The easiest way would be that yeah, you wouldn’t get the indications that it’ll disarm and you will be able to stop the car. So just go ahead and swap that battery out if those 2032 battery and then and be on your way. So we’ve tested those batteries. They can last you know, up to a year a little bit more depending on its use, but it is just a wash battery and that’s one of the reasons why we recommend keeping the battery out so you don’t unintentionally disarm igla and also You don’t drain the battery. There’s also settings that we do to minimize the range on, on the ILA to ensure that, you know, it’s not continuous looking for that key FOP too far beyond the vehicle. So we try to keep it within two to five feet of the cabin.

Sean P. Holman (41m 14s):

Okay. Two questions. The first one’s for Lightning, how was the dealership experience? What did you have to tell Ed over at Glendale Ram when You dropped it off, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 23s):

I told him nothing, I didn’t have to because I, I literally rolled up. You, you were like four cars deep waiting to get into the service. I’m in the service lane and as I’m waiting and The truck was still running, I was able to put it into the service mode. It gave me my confirmation I thought for sure I was gonna be calling John. I’m not joking. Like I had my little, ’cause it comes with a little credit card with instructions we’ve talked about a little and I photographed it and put on my phone. I was super

Sean P. Holman (41m 46s):

Prepared. So by, by the way, just so you know, John Lightning was rolling around with that card, the physical card in his backpack in a box. He goes, oh look at this. And I’m like, what are you doing? I go take a picture of that on your phone and go put that in your safe. I’m like, it has numbers and stuff. He’s like, oh that’s a good idea. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 1s):

I did so, so I did anyway, anyway I rolled up, I put it in the service mode, it gave me my confirmation flashes and I go, alright. He said it would work and it did. I hand ed at the keys said

Sean P. Holman (42m 12s):

Don’t go

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 12s):

Over 50. And I, no I didn’t say that, but I didn’t expect him to. They were just gonna change the glass. He better not be on the road. You know, I talked to Ed today and it was fine. So I haven’t heard anything about it. Okay,

Sean P. Holman (42m 21s):

So then my next question is what kind of draw does the Igla have? ’cause the other side of it is we all know doing car stereo and alarms and things like that and with all the electronics, especially on Mopar vehicles these days, sometimes a factory one won’t sit a month without being started because of all of the electronics and computers on it. And many, many people you can read on the forums, on the Wrangler forms, on the RAM forms. Hey, I went out of town or I had my truck parked for a month. I went out and it was dead as a doornail, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 50s):

Think the threshold for most car batteries is like a 25 milliamp, 35 milliamp draw. It’s gonna kill your battery in two weeks. It doesn’t sound like a lot. Once you cross 50 milliamps it’s killing. It’s like, yeah,

John (43m 3s):

It, it definitely a major concern. We answer this all the time. So it, it’s actually quite small, right? So the electronics are, are minimal but it will pull no more than 10 milli amps when, when the car’s off. Okay. So it, it’s very slight draw on the device.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 17s):

That’s very

Sean P. Holman (43m 18s):

Little. And I just wanna circle back to something you said earlier with this system, unlike other systems that are on the market, there is your remote start will still work and that’s a consideration for people, especially in colder or even hot parts of the country where they like to remote start it to have the climate control. You know, I know my wife likes to have her car ready in the morning when the girls go to school or whatever. I’m the same way. But with this system you still retain that functionality from your key fob.

John (43m 44s):

That’s right. That’s right. So when we take a new car, they actually need to be scanned what we call sniffing and it basically is to run through all the functions on the car to make sure that we are capturing all those commands that we want to filter out and allow to pass. And so that’s one of the main features that we wanna keep. And one of the selling points is that is remote start because like you said, everybody if you have it, they love to have the feature and so we try to ensure that there is some form of protection while you’re in remote start. So whether you have a transmission lockout or whether it’s once the car started, you jump and try to shift, it’ll shut the counter down itself. Or if you open the door will trigger something and shut down the car so nobody can get in.

John (44m 24s):

So that’s idea is that one of the benefits is that we maintain remote start, unlike traditional kill switches un unlike other products that have to interrupt a physical circuit,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 34s):

We’ve got what appears to be a fairly bulletproof device that will prevent the thief, it won’t prevent the thief from breaking in. That’s a job for like a traditional alarm with glass breakage and siren and all that stuff. ILA doesn’t do that. What I GLA does is it prevents the guy from actually driving it away or pairing a key so he can get down the street and put it on a flatbed. All that stuff is thwarted. That’s right. John, you also install alarms. We don’t have to discuss that here, but for the person who wants an additional layer, the glass breakage, the siren and all that stuff, you still are doing that today. Right? Right,

John (45m 10s):

Right. And and just to be clear, the the key programming, the blocking of that belief isn’t rolled out to every make just yet. We have that for Mopars and we have that for Toyota Lexuses and most Mazdas we also have it for Chevys and some of the makes, but we do need to re refine that. So not every single make is fully blocked yet, but we’re actively working to ensure that we’re, we’re doing that and then we’re rolling out the firmware updates to be able to do that. In this current state, it really is just an anti theft device to prevent their ability to drive away. So we still recommend additional layers of defense. You know, you know a lot of the Chargers, challengers, T Rx is they have the neutral pull switch. So we recommend doing something to disable that, lock that with a plate, you know, disconnect the linkage to prevent the ability to just push that car down the road.

John (45m 59s):

But then an additional layer is to add those traditional alarm systems like Vibrant Coffee Star and we readily do those and add some telematics like drone mobile so that you have those sensors to be able to scare off the thieve, right? You’ll have the alarm, you have the alarming of the siren, the horns, the lights, and then you’ll get sensors like glass shock tilt and toe motion and some of them. So that, and we, with telematics, you know, not just scaring ’em with flashing lights and sirens, you have the telematics to notify your phone of, hey, something happened with my car, I, I should go check it out. You know, whether you get a phone notification on your app or a notification on your, you know, two-way LED remote, you know, so you get notification of that. Granted, I would say that we have seen some videos, these are pretty courageous nowadays.

John (46m 44s):

They, I mean they’ve been flicking off cameras, sirens are going, they’ll still attempt it. So it doesn’t always scare ’em off, but it actually adds a layer of defense and most of the people will run and head to an easier target. I mean there’s a lot of stories of people targeting maybe targeting uj, right? But we have stories of one drag truck. They target, they moved his wife’s 3 9 2 out the way, cut his roller gate, and they really wanted that truck.

Sean P. Holman (47m 8s):

How dare they Wait a minute, wait a minute. Yes. You’re telling me they rolled the 3 92. They didn’t even want it. These people have no taste. You

John (47m 18s):

Know, I,

Sean P. Holman (47m 19s):

They, they moved

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 20s):

The 3 92

Sean P. Holman (47m 21s):

Over to get to the T Rx. Clearly these, these people aren’t refined. I have no taste.

John (47m 27s):

Can’t speak for ’em. I’m just, just relaying these stories. I mean, you know, it, it, for the most part what we’re seeing is, you know, the easy targets, right? You at a shopping mall or something, or late at night, they see something and they, they attempt to do it. And, and for the most part, actually, you know, we’re talking about here, and maybe you have quite a large audience, but the, the most of the customers that we get are victims of theft or, or second victims of theft, right? They’re coming to us with their second or third Mopar or Chevy product, you know, product. And you’re like, Hey, I didn’t know about this. I didn’t know how easy it was until I got stolen. And so we are still trying to get the word out there because we essentially are LAPD work patrol. We’ve been doing a couple of members of MCHP and they tell us the, the reason for this, right?

John (48m 10s):

You see the value in the drivetrain, you know, years back or a couple years ago during Covid, it was, you know, the hell cap motors were selling for 10 50,000 on eBay and now there’s bounties on the TXs for 25, 30,000 to drive to Mexico. So, and we’re hearing that directly from the LAP task force. And now they’re, they’re even coming around and recommending Igla to products. Here’s another story too. We just got a customer to one of our, you know, we have an igla man and you might hear about him on T rx. He’s a, a very big advocate for the Igla product out in Kentucky. One of his customers said, Hey, my insurance company said we’re only gonna insure this truck for 20 days. You need to get ILA or we will not insure it. And we thought, wow, that’s great. I so it hit, the word is getting out, but that’s what his customer told him.

John (48m 53s):

He is like, I gotta get ILA before 20 days is up or I’m not gonna be able to get insured. You know, so there’s a system that no, no other product can compete with.

Sean P. Holman (49m 2s):

Alright, so let’s, let’s talk about what really matters here. What’s it cost

John (49m 6s):

And, and the system itself, it’s a, there’s a standard minimum pricing of $1,200 plus tax. So most dealers are, like, for most models, it’s around that $1,200 plus tax, minimum standard pricing. Some models require additional hardware, so they’re a little bit higher and some dealers do charge a little bit more than that. So that’s what you can expect to pay for 10 OLA system.

Sean P. Holman (49m 25s):

Is that installed?

John (49m 27s):

Yes, that’s installed. That’s product and labor. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (49m 29s):

And what are some of the other, there, there’s several vehicles out there that are also hot commodities at the moment from other brands. I know we talked a lot about Mopar ’cause of lighting TRX experience. What are some of the other brands or vehicles that are a high take rate? Other manufacturers that igla covers.

John (49m 47s):

We cover probably 80% of the most modern day cars. But what’s really hot, at least in Southern California is ho are getting taken. But really what’s being taken now is the Chevys, Chevys and GM products. So we’re seeing a lot of Camaros, Chevy, SS c TSVs. What we’re seeing is that they’re not taking it for the value per se. We’re seeing a lot of these used for second bests or being at these shows at the takeovers. And they’re really just using the car like they use with the kiosk, right? Joy riding them. They’re easy targets and they’re just taking it as a, as a, I guess a, a a vehicle so they can get around and

Sean P. Holman (50m 25s):

Do So what you’re saying, John,

John (50m 27s):


Sean P. Holman (50m 27s):

The world is full of s there’s just a bunch of dicks out there who want on other people’s hard work, steal their stuff and then just go out and cause wreak havoc and mayhem.

John (50m 40s):

That’s right. And, and You don this wanna be violated as, as car car owners, right? We’re t Rx owners, I mean, we ordered our trucks, our window stickers have our name on it and it’s like, I can, I I would hate to have this truck stolen. This is our baby, right? And, and so, and you can, you know, you, you may have talked about it, but you know, insurance will pay you out. You, you might, you with the car values now you likely will be made whole, but if you look for a replacement of the same vehicle, they’re, they’re going for $40,000 more than what the car went for two years ago. So are you gonna be able to find the car of your dream again with the options, the colors? So that’s really the challenge that a lot of our, you know, client base is, is, is facing here. But we again, we, we do cover those major most makes, but we see a lot of thefts, especially in Europe and Canada with the Toyota’s Lexuses.

John (51m 29s):

We protect a bunch of Honda CRVs. Apparently they’re targeting Toyota Lexus with the Canvas injections. And we’re even putting this product on VWs Audis, you know, we cover all those makes Porsches Lambos, right? VW Group family. So, and actually in, in Canada and Europe one, some of the bigger names are the Range Rovers and the families, they’re just as prone to some of these attacks. They’re readily putting these products, the Ila product on these cars to protect them, especially in Canada. So most, most cars with Camba systems, we can, we already have a firmware developed to protect it, but if not, you know, just inquire. We’ll take a look at the product, we’ll take a look at the car. If we can get a client in, we can be able to scan the car and probably develop a firmware within a couple weeks.

John (52m 11s):

So we’ll be able to scan the car, read all the functions, all the button presses, be able to read all the commands, take it back to our programmers to develop a firmware, and then we implement it and test it out, and then roll it out to a couple cars to make sure that there’s no hiccups, no issues, especially with software.

Sean P. Holman (52m 26s):

Hey John, what the hell does ILA stand for?

John (52m 30s):

Yeah, I I I’m not sure I can, I can’t answer that actually.

Sean P. Holman (52m 34s):

Jay’s like, oh there, I, I like what you saying to me. Well, I already took sense.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 38s):

He knew the answer. I told him that I didn’t know and I told him that you didn’t know, but he had to ask anyway. Like, we, like isn’t it weird that no one, no one knows what it stands for?

John (52m 47s):

I I, I think the idea was, I, if I’m not mistaken, I think Anglo might be rushing for needle or something. You know, they have like ILO for, for missiles. I think they, they named one of ’em missiles and it’s supposed to be a needle in a haystack idea. I think that’s where it came from. But don’t quote me on that.

Sean P. Holman (53m 4s):

I’ve got what it stands for. It is the, it’s an acronym. It’s, it’s an acronym, yeah. It’s the International Guardian of Losing Automobiles. Igla, that, that, that hits all the buttons right there. There you go.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 17s):

Listen, two weeks before my attempted theft,

Sean P. Holman (53m 22s):

The one that John set up,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 24s):


Sean P. Holman (53m 24s):

Don’t think, I don’t think he

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 25s):

Did it. I like, John’s a good guy. You gotta put in a lot of like blood, sweat, and tears to work at Circuit City for like

Sean P. Holman (53m 32s):

A long time. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 32s):

20 years, right? I think he’s the good, he’s a good dude. Okay. Still I can’t get over the fact that had I not put it in just two weeks prior, my truck would be gone and this device, single-handed stopped and you would

Sean P. Holman (53m 43s):

Be, truck stopped it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 44s):

Again. It would suck. It would absolutely suck. So listen John, I I’m hoping that some of our listeners reach out to you or your counterparts in other states. We know that Texas is crazy right now with all the Hellcat thefts, cars and trucks. First, how do they get a hold of you and then if they’re in a different state, where do they go? Where do they start? Because not everybody’s on Instagram, John.

John (54m 8s):

Oh no, that’s that Instagram or TikTok. You know, I think social media. So we’re alos SoCal, you can find us on Yelp. Best way is Instagram. We try to post up as much as we can on the projects. We do that or our main website we just developed, it’s ila usa dot com. So that is a website that our USA network has developed and that will list all the North American dealers throughout. So you should be able to look it up by state and then find your associate dealer or the nearest dealer to you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 40s):

Alright John. Well, Thank You very much I’ve wanted to Have You on since the moment since, since that fateful Sunday when I saw my window in many. That’s actually

Sean P. Holman (54m 48s):

Not true. You wanted to have him on before then. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 50s):

That actually is true.

Sean P. Holman (54m 51s):

You, you, you bash back, back in December, January, you were telling me about Igla and I was like, I don’t know what you’re saying. And then you’re like, no, I got it. And then, ’cause I saw John’s name pop up on the scheduler and I’m like, what the hell’s igloo? What? Who’s coming on the show? And then you’re like, I got it installed and blah, blah blah. I’m like, okay. And I didn’t really understand it. And then lightning’s like, dude my look at my driveway and it was his rear glass shattered on the thing. And he goes, oh, they tried to take it in the morning. And I’m like, well now we gotta have that guy from IGL on like, whatcha waiting for. So

John (55m 23s):

Yeah, we couldn’t have time to perfectly, I mean I, the, the stars just really aligned here.

Sean P. Holman (55m 28s):

Yeah. Fortunately or unfortunately, right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 30s):

Fortunately. Well now you’re right. Unfortunately

Sean P. Holman (55m 33s):

You’re still on a back window. You’re right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 35s):

Yeah, yeah. There’s not even come in like by the time you’re hearing this I still have to wait a few weeks before they get the window. Yeah. They’re so backorder. How many windows are being smashed? All of ’em. What can John, in all seriousness before we let you go, what can I put on the back window that would alert somebody? This is like, don’t bother. Like you’re not gonna take this thing. Don’t just make a sticker. I don’t them they know effer. No, I’m saying they don’t know what eagle is. Right? Do they, do you think they know? I don’t know. I

Sean P. Holman (56m 1s):

Think they’re getting to know pretty, pretty quick.

John (56m 3s):

Yeah, we, we got some stickers, you know, Vangala may have some stickers. We’re gonna be making some as well. So it’s really, if they even breed the sticker, right, they’re coming in at night, they, we see it. That’s the hard part. How do we protect that window? I don’t think we’ve really found the solution for that quite yet. But you know, it, it is whether you wanna put the sticker or not. Right. Does it help? Does it hurt? Do you wanna surprise ’em or do you want to tell ’em you have it?

Sean P. Holman (56m 24s):

Yeah, I’d like to surprise him with a Remington eight 70.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 26s):

No, I know that, but filled with

Sean P. Holman (56m 27s):

Slugs. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 28s):

I you that’s, that’s the whole thing is they’re not gonna get the car but they’re gonna keep breaking it. Like I talked to a dude two days ago that said they’ve broken my back window of my TRX three times and then I found another guy on YouTube and he said it’s been broken. He had a sand colored one. He is been broken no orange, his window’s been broken twice. And he’s like, I’m on the verge of selling it. It’s such a pain in the ass to change this window. And I go, oh my God, if they have to drop the headliner, pull the backseat out the whole, all this crap. And yes you still have The truck, but I don’t know by feeling violated and having to replace your glass pain in the ass, I want something on that freaking back window. I’m gonna put in every language protected by Ila.

John (57m 8s):

Hey, that’s a thought prune in every language. You’re right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 11s):

Alright John Thank You very much. You’re doing great work and we will try to spread the word

Sean P. Holman (57m 15s):

For you. Definitely appreciate your time and sorry for busting your balls there, but I thought it was funny.

John (57m 23s):

I had a pleasure. Thanks Jade. Thanks Sean. It was

Sean P. Holman (57m 26s):

A great time. Alright man. Thank you. Thank you John, we really appreciate you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 29s):

Keep up the good work. So Holman, after speaking with John, do you feel like the product is a little less sketchy?

Sean P. Holman (57m 39s):

A little less? I think the number of red flags for me went from Tianmen square level of red

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 44s):

Flags. That’s a lot of red

Sean P. Holman (57m 45s):

Flags down to like racetrack red where everybody has to stop. Okay. Or something like that. I’m glad we had ’em on. You were all excited about it and then you forged ahead like I’m gonna installed on my vehicle and you did all this stuff and it kind of took me along for the ride on that and I’m kind of glad you did now because I feel like I know a lot more about it and hopefully our, our listeners do too,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 6s):

As if that wasn’t news. We got some more for you.

8 (58m 9s):

What’s new in trucks? We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need

Recording (58m 17s):

To know lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 24s):


Sean P. Holman (58m 27s):

That was good. That was good. That was a good lingerer on on that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Was good. It’s good. Hey Lighting have You Heard what do

8 (58m 32s):

You deaf and stupid I said

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 33s):

No, no

Sean P. Holman (58m 34s):

You didn’t say anything but so today was the day that Rivian launched the R two, which is their smaller, oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 41s):

I actually did hear something about this. Okay. Yeah their the one that’s gonna be on in 2026,

Sean P. Holman (58m 46s):

Right? Yeah I think that’s when it goes on sale. It’s smaller than the R one s but I have to tell you it looks exactly like the R one s, although it does have a couple cool things to it. Like there’s a photo up on the podcast studio

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 1s):

Screen. Aww, it looks so cute.

Sean P. Holman (59m 2s):

It’s cute, right? Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 3s):


Sean P. Holman (59m 4s):

Cute. Okay, so it looks just like a rivian R one s just

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 6s):

Smaller. I’m done that, I’m saying that out loud, but it does look cute. So

Sean P. Holman (59m 9s):

$45,000, it’ll be available with either a one, two or three electric motors. And the single motor setup will be obviously rear Wheel drive. And then the other two will add all Wheel drive. All three models are expected to have a 300 mile range on a single charge. And the most impressive version will hit 60 miles an hour in less than three seconds.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 30s):

Every housewife is going to want this. That’s gonna be the new Range Rover for housewives?

Sean P. Holman (59m 35s):

Nope. Nope. I got something better for you. Hold on. You do Really? So this is gonna have 115.6 inch Wheel base. So it’s a lot smaller than the R one s. It’s only 185 and a half inches long, 84.4 inches wide and 69, excuse me, 66.9 inches tall. So it’s 15 inches shorter than a R one s and looks to be a little bit less capable off road. So what does

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 57s):

This compete with? Like what

Sean P. Holman (59m 58s):

Is, so this will compete with Ford Mustang Mach e Hyundai, Ioni five a Tesla Model YA Kia EV six. And all of those have a range in the low 300. So it’ll be competitive with that. And they’re talking about it being able to have a $45,000 price tag, which will be interesting if they actually do get that And When. you compare it to the R one s, the R two gets, it’s 9.8 inches of ground clearance, 25 degree approach and 27 degree departure. Whereas the R one s is 14.9 inches of ground clearance and is around 35 degrees on the angles. So definitely not as mountain goat, but the interior looks nice, unlike the stupid Tesla that doesn’t have a driver’s screen in front of the driver, which

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 44s):

I, I mean it looks better. It’s still stark.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 46s):

I hate it. The Rivian interiors are just so much better. And Rivian has carried this on the main screen in the middle, doesn’t stick up above the dash, it just looks a lot nicer. So I’ve been really impressed with the rivian so far, but that’s not even the best news. Now the rear window rolls down into the tailgate, which is super cool. And just like your mom’s old minivan, the rear windows over the cargo area. The side ones, yeah, they pop out like old eighties minivan, which I think is pretty rad. I don’t know why those ever went away, but check this out. That’s not the coolest news from today because Rivian said hold my beer and they came out with this. The R three, what

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 24s):

Is that? Is a, a club man, A mini Cooper Clubman? No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 30s):

Mixed. It’s with a No, it’s a lot of, or I mean it’s a, a LA Neva or a Lancia or a golf, imagine a five door hatchback. A nice hatchie but with the rivian nose on it. So this is the R three. They teased it right after the rs. It’s rad looking, but they also came out with an R three X that they announced, which basically is a trim motor, higher horsepower Rad little

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 58s):

Rally car.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 59s):

Totally check it out.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 0s):

Oh my gosh. It’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 1s):

A how rad is that?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 2s):

It’s look at the wing on the back. That’s so rally car dude.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 5s):

I i, that is a vehicle and that’s supposed to probably be, you know, around 50, 60,000. Okay. But look at it, it’s rad looking.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 13s):

Rivian is gonna crush

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 15s):

If they, if they can stay alive long enough and, and build these. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 18s):

Do, are they running out of runway as they say in the digital

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 21s):

Age? Well, I mean, remember how much they were losing per vehicle and how, what their cash burn was. Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 25s):

They still losing that kind of money?

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 27s):

I don’t know, but it’s, you know, not something that will change overnight. So anyway, the, the R three X looks like it’s a lot more ruggedized, wider wheels, fender flares, bigger wheels and tires, a slight ride height increase some extra cladding, and then the interior exterior have a bunch of accents. But check out how rad this interior looks.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 47s):

That is so old school that looks very Volkswagen Audi lot.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 51s):

It, it’s got like the rivets in the seat, like an old European sports car.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 55s):

Very German. It’s got

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 56s):

Orange mirror caps. It’s got a raptor orange style little indicator on the steering Wheel for up. I’m looking at that going, you know what, that’s rad.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 5s):

Are you seeing what’s in the monitor in the center

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 7s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 8s):

Yes, dude, it’s a, it’s the little car with a tent on top. It’s a picture of itself with a, with a tent. Like

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 15s):

A cartoon drawing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 15s):

Like a cartoon drawing. But with, its at a, at a campfire. The moon is setting over some mountains and it’s got a tent on the roof. So I wonder if that roof is actually strong enough to hold a tent. So, because you know, that’s like the foreshadowing.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 27s):

So check out, check out these photos. Look at those rivets. Anodized orange on the top ones. The orange and silver piping over tan interior. Look at this little like blanket straps on the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 37s):

Back. Now is this real or is this animated? No, this is real. These are real photos.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 41s):

Yeah, they, they drove it out on stage. That’s what I’m saying. This thing is fricking cool. I don’t even care about the R two. I’m all about the R three X.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 49s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 50s):

This might be, I, I’m more excited about this than any other electric car that I’ve seen, including the cyber truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 56s):

How cool would this be if it were a a two door?

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 59s):

No, I want it just like this. Just

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 0s):

Like this. Really

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 1s):

Look how awesome the side profile is.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 2s):

That is very,

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 3s):

It’s like a jacked up

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 4s):

Golf. That’s a Rene. I feel like it’s a Reno. Could be. It

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 6s):

Could be a Reul it could be a jacked up Volkswagen Golf. It could be a Lancia. To me it looks like a, a Lancia Delta rally car just jacked up. Like it’s just cool. It sure does. Five door hatchback looks like it just wants to like, I dunno, rock down some, you know, two tractor roads at at speed. You guys know where I stand on the electric stuff? I’m I’m open minded to it. It’s not a great primary car, but this thing could be fun. It just looks like it’s fun doesn’t it? Like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 34s):

It looks like the quality looks like I could have the fun in it that I did in the Mini Cooper. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 38s):

Hmm. Interesting. So, so I don’t hate it. Okay. So anyway, I I thought that was cool ’cause that,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 42s):

That’s a good story. I appreciate you bringing that to my attention because that is a fun little look car. That’s, that’s something that you’d want as a, as a toy or maybe it’s a, it’s your kid’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 51s):

Car. It’s, it’s the same reason my wife wants to find a Honda Hatchie and put it in the driveway to go put it right in. Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 57s):

What else you got?

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 58s):

Hey Lighting, did you hear?

9 (1h 4m 60s):

No, and I don’t care.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 3s):

No. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 4s):

Going from electric, let’s go to some diesel news. So our buddy Corey Willis has been busy on the socials but also busy in the dino cell. He got his hands on a 21 Super Duty, so a six seven power stroke and that truck is rated from the factory, 4 75 horsepower, 1058 pound feet of torque. So Corey said I wanna go do a California compliant tune. I wanna see what this truck is capable of. So all he did was swap out for a 64 millimeter turbo from Ryan’s diesel service and A-P-P-E-I tune. He kept the EGR, he kept the DPF, kept everything else on his dock, just swapped out the turbo, did a tune 632 horsepower and 1,230 pound feet of torque.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 54s):

And then he went Emissions tested and said it will pass. And he’s gonna, I think his intention is to pass it through Carb as a EO kit. Yes. And that’s freaking amazing. And you’re staring at me because there’s something else involved. You know more about it. Nope. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 11s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 11s):

What did banks have to do with it? Nothing. Emissions testing? Nope.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 15s):

Far. Nope. I don’t know what you’re talking about.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 17s):

It’s so interesting. Banks had a piece in making this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 21s):

A no no, no. I’m not saying that banks had anything to do with this other than me introducing Caleb Jacobs to Corey. But I don’t know anything about this tune at

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 31s):

All. I don’t believe you. And 632 horse 1230 Torque. I mean

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 35s):

Dude, it’s awesome. He was doing Bernie’s like there was just,

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 39s):

Oh yeah dude, go do at Corey PPE I on the Instagram and then just watch all the diesel and burnout porn that you can possibly handle. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 49s):

It’s tire smoke. No actual black smoke.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 51s):

No, it’s all tire smoke. There’s totally clean. I’d be curious to see what happens to fuel economy. I’d be curious to see what happens to death cycles. This is phase one. The phase one was like prove out the concept.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 2s):

Yeah. So listen, you’re producing more soot. It’s getting caught. There’s no black smoke because it’s getting caught in the

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 7s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 7s):

So so is the regen cycle going to, and

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 9s):

He is not carb decrease, he’s not carb ready yet. Like this is just his intention. He’s, he’s marching on that path ’cause he wanted to prove it could be done. He wanted to prove like with a couple mods you can make big power and keep all your missions on and then I’m gonna go get the sucker certified, right? Yes. I mean that’s basically the plan. That is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 26s):

The plan. Not that I would know.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 28s):

I think that’s a pretty amazing, so Corey says that he thinks it’ll keep Emissions within 10% of the OE standard. And he says that the NOx numbers have barely changed and that it doesn’t use an appreciable amount more exhaust fluid than it did from the factory. If all that’s true, that’s pretty wild.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 50s):

It means that Ford left a lot on the table, which

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 53s):

We know that’s how Ford, Ford always does that, right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 55s):

Because listen, the ho is the same basic engine with a better cooling stack. Sure. And and so yeah, there, there’s plenty of table scraps.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 5s):

I think it’s awesome to see somebody going after it and it’s, I think it’s kind of redemptive for Corey to go through all the stuff he did with the rolling coal and all that and and the cup full circle and say, I’m gonna take everything I learned and I’m gonna prove to you that that was the lazy way to do it. We can still be compliant and have our cake too. I think that’s pretty cool. Good for you Corey.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 26s):

I’m not saying that he learned that from Gale Banks, but maybe he spent a couple weeks at banks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 31s):

I well we, I know ’cause we took him out to, In-N-Out. Oh that’s right. By the way, I had In-N-Out last night with Brent Hagen, our friend from Nissan and he was in town for the Infinity Qx deal. And he’s like, Hey, I’m in town I need In-N-Out. And I’m like, I will be there. So I drove up to LA and he and I had In-N-Out last night. So you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 49s):

Drove to LA just for Inn Out? Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 51s):

No, literally you’re dedicated but Beverly Hills in the pouring rain. So like West LA

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 55s):

Oh, I’ve been to that in and out

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 56s):

The one one by UCLA right In Westwood. Yep. And so I took pictures because here’s the thing, I, for some reason lately I’ve gone to McDonald’s a lot ’cause there’s one right here by my house and my six year old’s like there’s guy McDonald’s like, oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 10s):

Kids still love McDonald’s. I don’t know why,

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 12s):

Dude, I hate it. So over fricking McDonald’s. Anyway, you get it and it looks like an elephant sat on the burger or like some guy scrunched it up trying to turn it into like a wonder bread dough ball or whatever. And it just never, it’s like you open up like just a basic hamburger and they put like a gallon of ketchup that exploded out all sides. And then you open up and now your hands are covered in ketchup and it looks like you’re out murdering somebody in the backyard. Yeah, I just opened my fricking McDonald’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 36s):

That I don’t mind. I do like a lot of ketchup. Oh my

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 38s):

God. Anyway, but the point being is like nothing at any restaurant you go to ever looks like the pictures on like an advertisement or something. That’s not true.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 46s):

They do it in and

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 47s):

Out. I’ve been taking pictures purposely for the past year of every In-N-Out burger that I’ve had from various restaurants. Well that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 55s):

Just a freaky thing

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 55s):

To do. Hold No, but hold on. From various restaurants, from various cities, from various places and from several in and out trucks and they all look amazing. The presentation at Inn Out is always top one. The quality and care that they put into constructing those hamburgers cannot be understated. Anyway, I just wanted to congratulate Brett Hagen because he’s back on trucks at Nissan, which we love. And he’s getting an inn out like minutes from his house in Tennessee, which is awesome. ’cause in and out corporate office is gonna be near Spring Hill by the old Saturn plant out there. Wait, what? Yeah, so they’re gonna have a east coast corporate office in Tennessee.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 35s):

Okay, I didn’t know that. And they’re gonna have an in and out in the, when was that? In the driveway? I don’t know, but it’s coming like they’re building it right now. So he’s like, I can’t wait.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 41s):

It’s by my

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 41s):

House, which means in the future he won’t call me for late night in and out runs because, well, because he’ll have one next, he’ll have one and the magic won’t be there apparently. All right. Hey Lightning have You Heard. No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 52s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 53s):

No. So keeping up with the Nissan news, there was a report earlier this week that Fisker is running outta cash, but they might be partnering up with Nissan. Hold

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 3s):

On. How many times is Fisker gonna go outta business? All the times, every time Fisker was here in Southern California. I don’t know where they are now.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 9s):

I think they’re still here. Are they still

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 10s):

Here? They,

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 11s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 11s):

Dude was a Dr. Fisker is was like, they have run outta money. Well I feel like 20 times.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 16s):

Well there’s been a few variations of the company. It’s Henry Fisker Henry and I, I don’t, he might, might be, I don’t know if, I think he’s still the CEO now who

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 23s):

Keeps investing in this company.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 24s):

Well he faced a $463.6 million loss in Q4 of last year. So that’s a lot of money. Yeah. And they came out, they’ve got the new Ocean, they’ve got the Lap p little guy, but they showed the Alaska pickup truck if you remember that. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 38s):

I don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 38s):

Remember that. Well, here’s what’s interesting. So there’s an earnings call and fiscally warned that it might not be able to continue operating under, you know, what’s going on currently. But there’s developing talks with an automaker and neither automaker has confirmed, but they said that they could lay off up to 50% of their workforce, but there could be an angel investor and that angel investor throughout the industry is surmised to possibly be Nissan because in the Fisker Alaska, they get themselves an electric truck chassis and platform. Oh. Which is kind of interesting. So who knows if, if that’s gonna happen or not, but it would allow Fisker the operating capital to put their truck out there.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 23s):

And how do we

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 24s):

Feel about our beloved Nissan investing in Fisker?

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 28s):

I don’t know. I I think it’s still too early to tell. I think all auto and, and I found it interesting ’cause Nissan basically invented the EV category in the US with the Leaf. I mean obviously GM’s EV one and a few commercial vehicles came before that. But for mass production really Leaf was the first one. And now that you’ve got the, the Aria, and so you would think that maybe they don’t need Fisker, but maybe they, they don’t have the quite the right platform for truck

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 52s):

Stuff. Well may, well maybe Fisker has tech that we’re not

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 54s):

Aware of and that’s what I think they would get out of it. Gotcha. And and also as a manufacturing partner, they could keep their plant busy as well. So, and, and keep, keep employed. So who knows, Fisker

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 3s):

Has been at this for a a, a long time. Weren’t they the company that was taking BMWs and converting em to,

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 9s):

To, I don’t remember. I do remember the fiscal Karma, which was the hybrid battery electric basically like UNG four C. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 19s):

Ordo I thought that started as a BMW product. I don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 21s):

Know about that. Have to, I don’t really spend a lot of time in the BM BMW space if you hadn’t noticed

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 27s):

Last. Got it. Well maybe I’m just making things up 25

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 29s):

Years. Who knows. No, you could be right or not. Hey. Lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 34s):

No, no. Uhuh before you get into that

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 38s):

Dr. Pepper, sorry. Or Matt? Yep. Okay. Apparently Ford is bringing the F-150 Lightning to Pikes Peak this year. You know, we just talked about the Super van setting a record last episode and now the heavily modified Lightning is gonna be running at the a hundred and second edition of the Pike’s Peak International Hill Climb in 2024. So Ford did a teaser that basically just has a sheet over it with the Ford logo glowing from behind. So we can tell it’s lowered, we can tell it’s wide and it’s got a big old wing on the back

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 11s):

And they call it a demonstrator

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 13s):

Of course.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 14s):

So I think that means that they’re may or may not be going for the record. They just wanna show off is what that says to me.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 23s):

Or they’re hedging their bets a little bit.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 24s):

Maybe Now, you know who can’t wait for this to hit the hill? Scott Birdsall.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 29s):

Oh, I bet. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 30s):

Wait a minute. No, he’s not excited at

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 32s):

All. I bet he wants to be all over that thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 34s):

No, because, so the guys who race internal combustion engines at Pike’s Peak really do not like the electric vehicles. Why is that Mr. Lighting? It’s because the whole challenge with Pike’s Peak is getting an internal combustion engine to

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 50s):

Be on the boil

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 51s):

To be to, to, to, to

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 53s):

Do as well at the bottom and lower out at the top as it’s at the top

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 57s):

Electric. And an electric does not suffer from any of that. It,

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 59s):

It removes all that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 59s):

And it’s just, it’s unfair. It will win every single time

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 3s):

In its own class.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 5s):

I get it. But like, they’re going to set, but you

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 7s):

Can’t, you can’t Speed record

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 8s):

Can’t. No, you can’t stop progress. I get it. But

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 10s):

Nothing stopping Mr. Birdsall from building his own EV version,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 14s):

But he doesn’t want to. Well

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 15s):

That’s, it’s, that’s a, that it’s about the challenge. That’s a him issue. Well then you know what, he’ll continue to go beat his own record and he’ll go continue to kick ass and that’s fine.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 23s):

Speaking of beat his own record, did you hear what happened?

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 26s):

I think we’ll save that for this week’s short episode.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 29s):

Oh, on Thursday.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 30s):

On Thursday. Okay. But anyway, Fort’s gonna have some more news coming up. The qualifying days are in June from the 18th to the 20th and the race is scheduled for June 23rd this year. So, but I’m sure we’ll have more F-150 Lightning Pikes Peak info before June. So stay tuned. Hey Lighting have You Heard? No. God

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 49s):

No. No, I don’t think so.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 51s):

For those of you in Texas who love your Jeep Gladiators, there’s the Texas Trail models gonna return to the Lone Star State. So basically available only in Texas, the 2024 Gladiator Texas Trail will have its own badging and it’ll have a few niceties, like blacked out wheels and things like that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 9s):

Looks like the tires are a bit bigger, don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 11s):

They? Basically it’s based on a gladiator sport s which is the second from the bottom. But it’ll get 17 inch black painted aluminum wheels, 32 inch mud terrain tires, rock rails, body color, fender flares. Then you also get a body colored hard top and the Texas trail hood decal and tailgate decal. And basically those are all upcharges on other vehicles on the rest, you know, higher trim level. So you get a nicer looking gladiator for more of an entry level price. The 2024 Gladiator is available for order now from your local dealer. But you gotta prove you live in the Lone Star state. So what serious, if you serious don’t have a zip code in Texas, you can’t order The truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 51s):

Did the same go for the gm, Texas or Lone Star editions or whatever they were?

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 54s):

I think so, yeah. Yeah, they used to, you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 56s):

Actually had to show proof

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 57s):

Of had to be in Texas.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 58s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 59s):

So the 2024 Jeep Gladiator Texas Trail will start at 49,985, which includes the $1,895 destination charge. And in final news, Lighting Have You Heard,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 11s):


10 (1h 17m 12s):

No, no, no,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 14s):

No. Mm, no.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 16s):

So Infinity Nissan’s luxury arm has confirmed the 2025 QX 80 will have a new twin Turbo V six engine. And this would have been the engine that would have powered the Titan if it were to have continued. Unfortunately it dies with the V eight later this year. Pretty impressive numbers three.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 36s):

Can I can I guess?

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 37s):

Yep. 3.5 liter twin Turbo.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 39s):

Okay. Three point 485 horse

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 43s):

Four 50,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 44s):

Not too far

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 45s):

Off. And 515 pound feet of torque. Wow. And then it also gets the, the nine speed automatic. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 51s):

Does it have the cool exhaust note that all of the other Nissans do? I don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 55s):

Know. Nissan seems to be the only company that can make a V six sound sexy.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 60s):

Why is that? I don’t know. They,

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 1s):

You listen to a eco boost, it sounds like a tractor with a, a spark plug fouling on it, right? Do

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 6s):

They have like an a weird H pipe or something?

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 8s):

I have no idea. But you look at like a Nissan Z you look at an infinity coop, you look at a GTR, all of them, they just, that sounds great. And you go, why can’t other v sixes sound like this? You look, listen to everybody else’s and it’s like,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 20s):

I know, I don’t. All the three six, the Eco from Ford, they just can’t do

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 25s):

It. This one’s gonna be in the Infinity QX 80, which is the big Armada Nissan patrol platform. So I’m guessing it’s probably pretty muted. I’m guessing it’s pretty quiet.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 34s):

I don’t know. I bet you it’s gonna sound badass. Just because you’re spending a lot of money for a luxury car doesn’t mean it’s gonna sound quiet. I think there’s still gonna give you some burly, well,

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 42s):

I guess we’ll see. It’s still a ways from being on sale. They just did the, the media preview this week. So I guess time will tell.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 48s):

Can you borrow one?

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 50s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 51s):

Can I drive your borrowed one? Mm no, move on.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 57s):

All right, Lightning, before we go, one last story. This one has hit The truck community hard. I don’t know if you saw everything going on over the past week on your socials.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 6s):

Yes, I did.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 8s):

Lone Star Throwdown posted on Facebook. It’s a sad day when You have to fight to keep something you have worked so hard for because others were never taught respect. If this gets resolved, there’ll be big changes to this event with that a lot of complaints will be made. But just know that the changes came because these individuals, it’s time that people started being held accountable for their behavior. If you know who’s promoting these events, it’s time you spoke up. Events everywhere are being looked at, not just ours. I would hate for the scene to disappear. Shows are where the majority of vendors make their money and market their products without the shows businesses lose. It sounds a little bit cryptic until you dig into it a little bit and you find out that essentially what’s happening is there are after shows outside of the event that aren’t the control or under the purview of the event promoter.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 56s):

And this happens everywhere we’ve been to the ones at Florida Truck Meet or Daytona Truck Meet. Obviously Jordan has had his issues with that kind of stuff. It happens

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 4s):

At most big shows.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 5s):

Radar and Lonnie are having that issue here. But it, it went a step further. In fact, it was so bad it took a few days for the news to come out on this, but it’s the takeovers and the side shows that are really starting to cause some problems. So at Lone Star Throwdown, which is one of our favorite shows out in Conroe, Texas, apparently after the show was over, there was a meeting that was so bad, it caused so much just damage. And I, I guess violence that according to our friend Caleb Jacobs at the Drive, the local Homeland Security stepped in.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 46s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 47s):

I heard that Homeland Security has that Lonnie and Radar, the two guys that run Lone Star Throwdown have met with Homeland Security since then. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 55s):

I think that was today. I saw that come out where they basically came to an agreement and there’s a whole lot of things that are changing. I won’t steal that from them. Go check out Lone Star Throwdown on Facebook or Instagram and, and find out the latest because by the time you hear this, there may be some more developments. But I thought it was worth talking about. It sucks. There’s a lot of a, a whole bunch of businesses came in and said, we stand with Lone Star Throwdown a bunch in the comments. And there’s a lot of people are like, no, screw you. I wanna go party after the show. And everybody who’s a mature adult said, if you can’t do it responsibly, you can’t do it. You’re ruining it for all of us. So it was really interesting ’cause I didn’t expect the first, I’ll be honest, when I read the first Lone Star threat album post, I’m like, what a bunch of babies. Like they’re getting mad at people for going after the show.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 38s):

I’m like, like there’s just people doing what they normally do. Well, no, that’s not what happened. And no, it got really

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 44s):

Out of hand. It got super outta hand. It was super weird. A lot of broken glass, a lot of car damage, things like that, from what I understand. Like it got way out of hand. And this sounds, I mean, it it sounds worse than a, a normal after show. Like we’ve been to Jordan’s parties Yeah. At Florida Truck meet and there’s dance parties in the parking lot. It’s super weird. Like you’re, there’s just 300 people dancing to allow, you know, car audio system. Right. And, but it’s, it’s mellow You don’t, you don’t see fights breaking out or Well, people breaking back windows and stuff.

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 16s):

Here’s some of the stuff that happened. Apparently footage has been found that shows people stealing the mobility cards from Kroger fighting with police officers conducting themselves in a way that damaged property. There were burnouts that were past the PAing and through the landscaping of businesses, obliterating grass, greenery, there are people that were peeing on patrol cars and attempting to free somebody who had been arrested and thrown in the back of the police car. I mean, that is just like wild.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 46s):

Yeah, it’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 47s):

Vile. I mean it’s just, it’s sad that we can, that’s why we can’t have nice things. And it sucks that the mentality these days, I have seen it more and more where everybody lacks the level of respect, especially for authority and police and things like that. And it’s just the way of the world right now. That type of stuff doesn’t stick the way it did when we were younger. And people just seem like there’s no consequences. So they’re gonna go out and do what they think is partying and, and having a good time, but it’s not when you’re destroying other people’s, you know, good time and, and their experience. The thing is, yeah, go out and do what you want, make yourself happy. But the, as soon as it starts impacting other people, it’s, it’s not cool. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 25s):

Followed quite a few Instagrams like 1320 for example. 1320 video I think it is. They’re often speaking about takeovers, like street takeovers. They’re like, you guys must stop doing this. Yeah. Or we will have no sport.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 38s):

Yeah. Period.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 39s):

Stop this.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 39s):

Well, people are dying. I mean, how many videos Have You seen with kids hanging out the windows and donuts, they flung out, they

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 46s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 46s):

Or, or roll the car rolls on top of and crushes them or they run through a crowd or it’s just that everybody think it’s like the same. I I don’t wanna be like old man with a cane, but like, you just see like the packs of like kids on e-bikes. There’s just no respect for anybody. And I hate shaking my stick at the world, but it’s, it’s sad to see that. It’s sad to see something that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 3s):

The, so the e-bike thing is a little different for me. I think that’s hooliganism. But for kids and what’s the worst that’s gonna happen? Again,

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 10s):

It’s not, not here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 12s):

I’m not saying it’s no,

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 13s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 14s):

I’m not Kid is cool.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 15s):

The kids here literally going and playing chicken with cars. I know

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 18s):

That I’ve seen it. That’s not,

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 19s):

That’s not Hooliganism

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 20s):

Do. My neighbor’s kid did

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 22s):

That with me. Then you know what the problem’s with you, if you think like that’s, oh, they’re just being kids. No, no. The the kids I’m talking about actively post and they’re trying to run through traffic to get the police helicopter to chase them so that they can get away on their e-bikes. They all meet at their buddy’s house and hand high five themselves leaving cars that have run into each other or nearly missed these kids. Somebody’s gonna die. And then it’s like, not funny anymore. And what are you gonna do if somebody died? You go, oh, it’s just hooliganism. No, it’s, it’s mad disrespect for everybody else because you believe you’re more important than the world. And there’s a difference between having popping wheelies and having a good time and destroying property or affecting other people’s lives. What happens? You’re playing chicken with some lady who’s got her kids in the car that’s just trying to go to the grocery store or go to drop her kids off at school and she hits one of ’em because they were playing chicken and she couldn’t react in time or something like that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 10s):

Like, that’s, that’s not cool. There’s, there’s a difference. I, I’m, I’m not on board with it and I just see it, the, the takeovers are those kids on e-bikes that have cars now. That’s all that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 19s):

Is. My next door neighbor is their grandkid and it was one of his friends and I’m coming down and I was in the TRX. He, he played chicken with me. He didn’t know that I lived there. Yeah. I was just coming down the street. Yep. And he plays chicken with me. I pull over and he’s like, I could tell in his face. He’s like, oh shit, this guy lives here. Yeah. And so I pull in and he goes, sorry Mr. I didn’t mean to play chicken with you. And that’s what he said. And I go, I go, would’ve hurt you a lot more than my truck. And he is like, just like kind of sauntered away. There

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 48s):

Were kids on my street doing that and I had my 6-year-old in the car and one of ’em like came really close and like swerved out like right in front of me. And he was a friend of the kid on the corner. So I went down and I, I got outta the car and I told him, I go, what are you guys doing? So the dad was pissed off that I yelled at his kids. So he came over and I’m like, you’re a firefighter dude. Like, are you kidding me? You’re, that’s okay for your kid. Well I didn’t know they you were doing that. I’m like, okay then why are you in my face? Like go parent your kid because they’re gonna end up, you’re, you’re gonna go on a call and it’s gonna be your kid that you gotta scrape up. How’s that gonna make you feel?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 22s):

Did you really say that to me?

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 23s):

Yeah. What did he do? Just I had nothing to say after that. I’m like, I’m not trying to be a dick, but like that’s not cool. I’ve got my 6-year-old in my car and your kid and his buddies are swerving at my car as I’m coming home. Not cool. You know. So anyway, here’s the post from Lone Star throw down that kind of wrapped it up as of now. Go again. Go to their, go to their post. But they posted. I want to thank these folks at Montgomery County Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Management and the Lone Star Convention Center and Expo Center. They’re the ones who put the who, who lease out the the venue. He says, as most know, we had our meeting today with Montgomery County E-M-C-D-H-S, about the 2025 event. We were offered our contract for the 2025 Lone Star Throwdown.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 5s):

After a long conversation with the venue itself and Jason from the Homeland Security Office moving forward, there will be changes to the event itself and what happens within the community after hours. We were informed that the event will be monitored starting Friday of the event. If any major incidents occur on Friday, they can and we’ll shut our event down Saturday. With that being said, people need to start policing themselves and others they choose to hang out with that weekend. The issue isn’t the group of guys that hang out at the hotel et cetera after event. The issue is the destruction of businesses and the lack of respect for authority. The incidents that were made aware of was patrol unit tire being slashed, urinated on and attempting to remove an individual from patrol unit that was in custody, stealing, mobility, scooters, all the things that we talked about previously.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 49s):

Anyway, he goes on to say not just us as promoters, but also the vendors, participants, spectators. The amount of support we’ve received has shown that we all have a stake in it. It also showed how much we are supported and there are no words to express our gratitude for that. So your support didn’t go unnoticed. Again, Thank, you, Lonnie. So go visit their page. Support those guys. They’re really trying to do the best thing and keep you guys having a great time. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 10s):

Gotta see after reading that it actually sounds kind of a like a fun after party.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 16s):

You would think that wouldn’t you? This is why we can’t have nice things Lightning. No. Alright, let’s get into some emails.

Recording (1h 28m 22s):

You email? Yeah, I email. Do it. We email. That’s right. Every email type it up. You email proofread. I email, send it. We email, click it. Every email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 37s):

Holman I will. Have You know I sent out another batch of Frontier Spotting Truck, Show Podcast stickers. Like legit. I sent some to Australia, I sent some to Canada. Quite a few to Canada

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 54s):

Actually. If there’s people that are in here who say they didn’t get it, they maybe have it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 58s):

I’ll tell you, I’ll recognize the names. Okay, so we’ll we’ll go through here. And again, if I’ve slacked and haven’t sent, sent you stickers, there is two or three people in my email that I have flagged. Oh, that’s funny. Here’s Dan Church. I own Dan Church a sticker.

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 11s):

Alright, well you should read his

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 12s):

Email. So Dan, if you’re listening to this now, I have either sent you one or I’m in the process of sending you a package with some stickers. So Dan says, this is probably the first time I have disagreed with something that he has said on the podcast, speaking about Holman. What? But sliding rear glass in a pickup is absolutely essential. I have two F1 fifties and you sliding glass almost daily from venting with the sunroof to hauling 16 foot lumber. It’s something that I need to have on any pickup I buy. So I very humbly disagree with the

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 48s):

Professor, whatever, although I do like that for a nickname. All

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 52s):

That said, I’m very glad to hear that the Lightning, TRX is still in his driveway.

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 57s):

Who was that?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 58s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 58s):

Church. Dan, shut the fuck up. No, no. Dan, I’ll tell you why. I’ll disagree with you. Dan is a good guy. No, he is a good guy. Roll down your rear windows to vent the sunroof. Right? Just crack ’em. You’re all good. The better rear window was the Toyota first generation Tundra double cab. That’s right. Goes all the way down. Or the Nissan Titan that went all the way down because it was just like your other windows and it wasn’t a small clip that you could put a coat hanger in and pop it to get in. And here’s the other thing. Why are you putting 16 foot boards through your rear window? Some E-bikes gonna cut you off. You’re gonna stab the brakes and you’re gonna impale ’em with 16 foot boards that shoot through your windshield. Dude,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 36s):

That would be a good news story. That would

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 38s):

Not be a good news story. E

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 39s):

Biker impaled with a giant two by four.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 42s):

Wow, I got this one from Justin Helman dollar. He says, so wait,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 48s):

Wait, that’s the subject line. So, so

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 51s):

Frontier spotting,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 52s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 53s):

Says, well, listening to the latest episode, I wasn’t surprised by multiple people not receiving stickers. It’s charming now. Like a running joke. It’s great. I used to get excited for the email portion to come up for the following exchange or what I can imagine. Holman Justin from Texas. Hey Lighting. He’s the one that sent the email making me an honorary Texan Lightning. Oh yeah. He said something about trying to get an interview with RST girl from the gram miles. Let me guess who is responsible for not sending him stickers. You know he has an actual truck, Show Podcast shirt, Lightning, but he doesn’t have a sticker. And Emmy’s.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 33s):

Yeah, buddy. End scene says, I really do have a truck Show Podcast shirt. It came in with a roadkill shirt and some other things from an order I’d placed with a schmo trend. Anyway, I did try to have some fun with my first Frontier spotting email, but it got Uno reversed on me because here I am 11 months later begging for a TSP sticker. It would look great on my toolbox next to my Texas speed and performance sticker. Seriously, y’all do a good job of the show. I really like the two shows a week. Week. And that’s Justin. Look at hand hand me this. You will have to go find his address in our past emails

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 5s):

Now. Oh, Justin, it’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 7s):

In the inbox. It’ll

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 7s):

Be fine. Oh, look at it. Okay, here we go. Justin, need address. And this one’s from Drew Reed to Holy Man and the other old guy. No, he says the other old guy. So that makes you old too.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 24s):

No, that would be our new producer, Axel.

Axel (1h 32m 26s):

How dare you? I’m younger than I sound.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 30s):

Okay. As far as U-Haul knows, the first pick is an O five frontier on their auto transport trailer. And definitely not a 97 F 3 54 Wheel drive with flat front tires and the ramps out a foot to make it fit. And it’s definitely not being towed by an oh six trailblazer and a really bad Canadian snow storm either. Does this count for me to get a sticker? Yes it does. No it doesn’t. No. Why

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 55s):

The Where’s the frontier?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 56s):

I, well ’cause he’s, there’s a frontier below it. Oh, it’s this ps The second photo is of an actual frontier that I took outta my wife’s. Oh, well then yes Van, that I am very famous for driving without the lights on because of these stupid bright ass dash

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 9s):

Lights. At least he admitted it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 11s):

Drew from Kenny Canada. All right, well here comes another Canadian

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 15s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 16s):

Postage package up with some stickers in it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 18s):

Yeah, I got this one. A new pickup fever from Tommy Harrell says Dudes of the shed. I like that. He says, I’ve been contemplating updating my daily driver as I type this. I’m mounting my fifth set of tires on a 14 Ram 2500, 6 0.4 outdoorsman crew cab short bed. It’s got 113,000 miles and has been treating me well since I picked it up in February of 14. It’s had a flatbed since new and has lived as a farm truck. And he includes this photo, which is pretty cool. It says, looking at the new RAM pickups and the only difference between a 14 and the 24 is the transmission and the interior Android Auto and a different front clip. The bummer is the packages and basic equipment have changed. Well, there’s actually more to it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 58s):

They look just like the fourteens, but the bodies actually have more high strength steel and things like that. It’s quieter again, the the dash has been updated. More tech, things like that. He says, I need four by four rubber floor power driver seat, extra headroom. No backup sensors or lane assist or 360 camera will install flatbed immediately after purchase. Should I just suck it up and drive my current pickup another decade? It has no problems, no payment is in great shape. Or should I update it to something newer but not really different? Thanks for your help. Attach this picture of it crammed into a parking garage in Casey. Just because the chains drag on the roof don’t mean it won’t fit. That’s Tommy. That’s a hard one. I mean, it’s all, it’s up to you. I, I think the new trucks are more refined.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 38s):

I think 113,000 miles on a farm truck, you still got life left in that thing. Those six fours are, are pretty robust. It’s always been doing regular maintenance. It, it’ll easily last to 200, but you of course, you get to the point of diminishing returns on maintenance at some point, and you’re not there yet. So it really comes down to you, if I would say this, if you could could find the right truck at the right deal, do it otherwise, don’t be in a hurry. Kind of know what you want. Poke around, see if you see something you like. If you do, great, if you don’t, you’re on your terms. You’re not in any rush to go get a new truck and there’s no reason to do it. And the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 12s):

Right trucks are out there. So Robert in our test group, he waited and waited and waited for an LLYA Durmax LLY, and he found an absolute cherry truck with 55,000 miles. This thing was an A dude Holman. You cannot believe how clean this interior is. It’s like a time capsule. It’s the strangest thing. Anyway, he paid top dollar for 29 grand for an oh five ax. But man, if you wait, they’re out. There they are Lightning and Holman starts. James Sitka, a couple of episodes ago you were discussing the anti-theft devices for vehicles. Sean seemed to have some negative thoughts on the Raco system.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 55s):

I would like to know what y’all’s thoughts are on the system and what the possible downsides are. I have one installed on my RAM for about six years now with no issues. I can understand the hesitation on wanting to tamper with the vehicle wiring harness for the install, but I’d like to know of any other issues that could be caused that I am not aware of. Like I said before, I’ve had this system for around six years with no issues. I usually pull the plug out every gas station, parking lot or when I come home and it sits overnight. One huge downside to the system is losing the remote start function when the plug is not installed. I will admit that just south of San Antonio, as everyone knows, having a nice truck here is a definite risk, especially for super duties.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 38s):

Thanks in advance for any input. Love the podcast and I’m proud to say I have listened to every single episode. Keep up the great work and Thank You very much. And that is from James. So the raco, the RL co. The RL Co is a, what that is basically is they slic into a bunch of cables under your dash

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 56s):

Has 16 pins.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 57s):

16 pins, and it looks like a, I wanna call it a Hubble plug. That was a brand. And it’s basically got a bunch of female ends

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 5s):

And you get a cap

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 6s):

And you get a cap with the, with the males that And When. you pull that cap off for the males no longer bridge those wires together anymore. And your can bus is dead. Basically. Yeah, I have seen this defeated in 90 seconds on video.

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 21s):

Okay, so I’ll, you already said some of the things that I don’t like losing remote start splicing into your wiring harness. There’s actually an interesting website called ravel It R-A-V-E-L-C-O. The guy has a, a clearly has an ax to grind, but he goes step by step on all the reasons he doesn’t like it. One is in 2010 it was about $470. Nothing’s changed. It’s now around $650, which is starting to get into Igla and other more modern technologies. Raco basically came out back in 1978, so it’s super old technology.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 2s):

Oh, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 2s):

Didn’t know that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 3s):

And he walks through basically how it works. So basically in a box you get electrical contents, you get five black wires that run through armored steel cable to a 16 pin mail plug. Each removable plug has two pairs of interconnected pins. And that’s it. That’s the magic. Those two interconnected pins have to match up the code to code, right? There’s no manual, no warranty card.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 27s):

It’s just you’re splicing into wires. And, when you remove this, you there, those wires are no longer looped. That’s it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 34s):

Well, and there’s, there’s lots of fakes out there too that aren’t the original one, right, which I think are even more easily affected. But here’s the thing. So the device only uses five pins outta the 16. So basically one of them is a ground fault and serves as a trap for the thief. And the other four pins are used to interrupt two circuits. The interconnectors allowed this removable plug that stays on your key chain or whatever to restore those interrupted circuits. Number one, I’m already not a fan of splicing in your wiring and all that kind of stuff. They claim, or it has been claimed on the internet on their official website, more than a hundred thousand possible combinations. And they say in 43 years, not one vehicle’s ever been stolen really.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 17s):

Well, according to the T RX group, there are a couple of them that have been stolen, but that’s with a

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 22s):

Raco. That’s what I’m saying. So anyway, so he goes through the math, right? And he says, so raco is consist of two sets of eight pins. The scheme numbers located between the sets of pins. And then with each of the sets, only two pins have a working load. The other six pins are connected either nothing or the trap. And he says that for this, you’ll need two interconnections that a location will help define one of the possible combinations. That number of locations of the upper and lower interconnectors is equal to a subset of eight. And you choose two. So the total number of the combination amounts to the square of 28 square equals 28 by 28, which equals 7 84. So that’s a hundred times less than what they claim. There’s only 784 combinations is what he’s found out.

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 2s):

So now he says, I offer the scenario when a thief gets rid of the plug, thus getting access to the wires. In this scenario, the number of combinations will be a lot lower. A subset of four, choose two and divide by two. There’s only three combinations. There’s four wires, meaning you can have the following pairs, one, two, and 3, 4, 1, 3 and 2, 4, 1, 4 and two three. Checking them manually is pretty easy if you have the time. So he has one pulled apart where you can see how they’re soldered and things like that. And he says that there’s a a code in here that consists of four digits. The code number defines the pin’s interconnection scheme number. The manufacturer will request the number. If you need an additional plug, the code has four digits, which also proves that they’re less than a hundred thousand combinations because using four digits, you can only get 10,000 combinations.

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 46s):

So then he talks about car compatibility. Now this is where we’re getting to can bus and ECU. That’s the stuff that I’m not super happy about or excited about. I guess you can see, we know that there’s videos on YouTube of them being hacked, hacked, thwarted, whatever you want to say. It goes on like usability. So super easy, you insert it, but if you forget to pull the plug out, leave your car like that, then the Antifa device doesn’t work. So there’s not a failsafe. If you forget to do your end of the bargain and there’s no reminders, there’s no security mode. Where do you have it installed? Do you have to reach under your dash every single time to plug a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 20s):

Cap? This is just a little more modern than putting in a switch. A quill switch. A quill switch on your starter. Yeah. Like they used to do in the sixties.

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 28s):

So then he goes into the service mode. He says, if you have to give the keys from your car to any third party, car wash, service station, valet, whatever you need to them, the plug also. Yeah, you give ’em the plug. And now there’s no way to have that set up. So once they have your keys, that guy can make sure that,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 43s):

So that 23 Ford F two 50 high output from CJC that I borrowed, it’s Cody’s the owner. Okay. It’s gorgeous. Yep. Gorgeous. That kind of slate. Blue color. He’s got the RL CO on there and I pulled off the cap, looked at it this morning. Yeah, I didn’t know this email was here. Okay. Looked at it and it looks like the end of like a garden hose. It’s just, it’s rubber and it, the way it doesn’t look like you should be in a car.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 8s):

So the other thing is you could pop off that and figure out what the code is for that particular vehicle. So let’s say goes to the service department, you could probably pop the innards out, look at it, put it back together, and you know what pins, and then you can sell that information to somebody to go steal the car later, right? Like it’s not that fail safe. And then you also, again, handing them the keys, they get the plug. So then that’s done. There’s no two step user verification, there’s no perimeter alarm. There’s, this is the process to get an additional plug. You, you’re like, Hey, I need a third plug. We have a third driver. The price is $75 for that little rubber plug. Oh my god. They had that plug is probably, what do you think that plug costs a dollar to make $2? Yeah, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 44s):

Probably two bucks. Okay. ’cause of the gold pans,

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 46s):

The manufacturer only accepts credit checks that are credited to Vincent Raviel. There’s no swift, no iban, no online payment or payment services like PayPal. There’s nothing they tell you about the process of a payment. If a person is not in the USA, can your local bank issue a check? Who knows? They don’t know. Apart from the check, you have to need to provide the following first and last name, current address, copy of driver’s license, contact number, email address. What?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 11s):

To get a spare plug.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 11s):

To get a spare plug. And you can only request it by the postal service. Is that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 17s):

Right? When was this written? And

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 19s):

He said back in 2006, one plug was $25. Now it’s 75. So anyway, it’s just an interesting thing where he goes through the numbers and apparently he 6 million installations, zero vehicles stolen is what they claimed statement said. 4 million installations in November of 2010, 5 million in April of 2016. So million clients in 109, you know, 2000 days essentially. He goes and picks apart that as well and judging by the numbers and, and, and what he’s seen online. And then I believe they’re based outta Russia too. So there’s a US address, but I think the componentry is made over

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 57s):

There. There’s a guy in one of the threads that I’m on right now in, I don’t know if it’s a TRX group or not, and the guy is a distributor for Ravo Co.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 5s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 5s):

I can track him down. Do you want to get him on? I

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 8s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 8s):

I, I know you, I I I like the subject matter because you’re really skeptical. I’m super skeptical. I Don I don’t have any personal, I’ve got no investment in this. Yeah, I don’t own one. I don’t, I don’t have experience with it. It looks like I said, it looks a little odd when You see it in the, in the vehicle in The truck. It, it looks, I don’t know, it doesn’t look like an automotive. No. Piece of equipment.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 29s):

No. It’s, it’s something that is pretty low rent looking. It works, but it’s very simple and it’s not what they say it is. Again, there’s only so many combinations and if you have enough time or you have access to the plug, even if you had to get the plug back, you can dig out the contents of the plug. You can see which pins are soldered together. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 46s):

I just think where this works is the kind of guy that tried to steal my truck. They had li they have limited time. Yeah. They break in the, the plugs missing and they, they’re thwarted for, you know, the four minutes that they have now, if they have this vehicle and it’s sitting in a, a collision like a a an auto body shop behind the fence and they have all weakened to screw with this thing. They’re gonna break it. Yeah, they’re gonna break it and they’re gonna steal the vehicle. Yeah. If it’s, if time is of the essence, then maybe they won’t get it. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 15s):

One last email. And this is freaking legend. Emily Baker, freaking legend.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 23s):

I know I don’t. Emily Baker.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 24s):

We were talking with Mike Finnegan and we got on the subject of tacos and Mexican food here in Southern California. Yeah. And I’m like, what the freaking is up with Robertos and Altos and Albertos and REOs. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 35s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 36s):

She listened to the show and she goes, my husband Chris and I listened to the podcast we’re near the Chicago area and I wanted to send this in case you didn’t get an answer. And she sends me a link, she says, currently listing on her way home in our Hyundai ONC five, but we also have a blue Ford Raptor at home too. Thanks. Nice. Emily Baker. So you click on the link.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 54s):

Oh wait, this link,

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 55s):

It’s from la taco dot com. So this has to be the purveyors of, of taco information. I thought. The

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 2s):

URL is slash taquerias named,

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 4s):

Named Albertos. So there’s a video that was on, I guess TikTok or something like that, or Instagram. And basically it says, do you know why there’s so many Alberto’s taco shops? And according to the article says that Alberto’s Albertos Riga, Albertos Gilberto’s. Why are there so many taquerias and Mexican restaurants rocking in a albertos at the end of their name? We’ve never dared to wonder before. But on another summer day, just sitting around San Diego rapper, Lil Rob points us to an answer directing our attention to the California biography TikTok, which breaks down the origins of this suffix in a short video. So the answer is allegedly, there is an original taqueria called Roberto’s Taco Shop in, in San Diego’s national city, which if you guys are not familiar, is down by the border.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 54s):

Launched by two immigrants turned entrepreneurial restaurateurs from San Luis Potosi in 1971. And Roberto’s was a huge hit in San Diego. And soon family members who came over wanted a piece of the action. So they were allowed to launch their own Roberto’s, but they were kind of half stepping and were forced to change the name of their taqueria from Robertos to the somewhat familiar Albertos, which became an even bigger hit in the process. And on and on. It seems to go with family and friends coming from Mexico to help out the shop than attempting to replicate the success of their own restaurants, including a little bit of Berdos in their respective business names. So apparently as the family expanded, they added a different name so they wouldn’t infringe on the original one.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 36s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 47m 36s):

There you go. That makes perfect sense. Dunno if it’s true, but No, it’s true. That’s great. I mean, it’s, it sounds legit. Dude. Emily.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 43s):

Dude, how awesome is that? Thank, you drug Show Podcast Thank You. very much. I’ve been wondering this literally for a decade. That’s how we take it out. Or more

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 47m 50s):

Truck. Show Podcast at gmail dot com. Please send us an email if you’re a fan and you want to share some information that we would deem owe so valuable

Recording (1h 47m 60s):

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Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 6s):

Don’t forget to hit us up on our socials at lbc Lightning at Sean P Holman or at truck Show Podcast. You can reach us via email truck Show Podcast at gmail dot com, Holman at truck Show Podcast dot com or Lightning at truck Show Podcast dot com and of course the five star hotline, 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. We want to hear from you. We got a few in the answering machine right now that we’ll play on the, on the next long form episode. The next, oh, Monday after this one.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 33s):

And I’m not gonna say that I’ve hooked up quite a few people in the last two weeks with some, some discount action or, you know, some, some TSP discounted

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 43s):

Parts from the old banks from banks factory. Yep.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 46s):

I’m not gonna say that Gale doesn’t know about it, but he doesn’t know about

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 49s):

It. Alright, so hit

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 51s):

LLBC Lightning on the gram. It’s, it’s harder for him to track.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 55s):

Speaking of, is that, is that why you do it on the slide in D Yeah, don’t send it to the email. Speaking of deals, if you go to OV mag dot com, get access to a year of digital using the discount code at Truck Show Podcast, and you can get a 10% discount off of the print price. And then if you go to the website, truck Show Podcast dot com hang over to what the featured products tabs? Yes. And that’s where all of our codes are for different people who’ve been on the show. We’re trying to clean up that page and make it look a little nicer and more user friendly. But we’ve got a bunch of information up there, so, so check it out. And you’ve got other manufacturers who want to add some stuff there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 30s):

Do it. If you want EGR roll track, for example, you can save some money. Yeah. If you wanna money on a custom car cover for your, your truck. Yep. Or your wife’s car, whatever you got. California Car Cover still has a, they’re giving us a pretty healthy discount there. Yep. So go over to that. Yeah, that, what do we call the featured products? Featured products, yeah. Feature products.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 47s):

Yeah. So while you’re on the website, hit that is events tab and check out all the current events in your neck of the woods. And if you have one to add, be sure to send it our way. And of course, we have to thank our presenting sponsor Nissan before we are out of this episode of The truck Show Podcast. So if you’re in the market for a new truck, head on down your local Nissan dealer, go for a Test Drive in a new Nissan Frontier or a Titan or Titan xd. Of course, the Titans have the industry’s best five year, 100,000 mile warranty. You’d be hard pressed to find a better truck for that price point. I’m telling you. Nissan USA dot com. Give ’em a chance, go for a ride. I think you’ll like what you see.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 22s):

And if you’re driving a 2017 to current durmax L five P and you, you hate cleaning that map sensor because it gets caked up in soot. Banks just launched a map spacer kit, which will keep that sensor clean and trouble free for many, many miles. Head over to Banks Power dot com, type in your year, make and model and get yours today. It’s only, I think, 79 bucks. It’s a bargain.

Axel (1h 50m 45s):

Hey guys, actually your new producer here. Speaking of bargains, you won’t find a longer podcast for the money. Seriously, guys, you need to learn how to trim the fat

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 56s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 57s):

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