Brad Rempel introduces the guys to Body Liner, a durable new coating that has the potential to replace paint on your truck. We discuss where the newly announced ’25 Toyota 4Runner fits into Toyota’s lineup and Holman details his road trip to view the total eclipse and his rental car experience. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan in association with Banks Power and AMSOIL.


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Lightning (0s):

Holman, I wanna hear about your experience watching the eclipse from a wooded force somewhere in the middle of the country. Oh, Arkansas. But before that, I wanna open up a

Sean P. Holman (9s):

Box. You know, I had listeners that DM me, they’re like, dude, you’re my neck of the woods. Go to like, to this burger joint. Go here. Oh, hey, if, if you’re free, like, let’s hang out. I didn’t realize we had so many people between Kansas City and Arkansas.

Lightning (21s):

I mean, we have listeners all over the

Sean P. Holman (22s):

World. I I, I get it. But it was like, they were all like, come hang out in my house with me. And I’m like, well, maybe that’s a little weird, but with my family. But I, I was propositioned many times by our listeners and to do what? To just hang out. Oh, I see. Like, how can okay. Buy you beer. Can you meet me at this restaurant? I was like, wow. That’s, by

Lightning (41s):

The way, super cool. That is a super cool compliment,

Sean P. Holman (43s):

Obviously. Alright,

Lightning (44s):

If you don’t mind, I’d like to open this box. It

Sean P. Holman (47s):

Came to, did it come from Arkansas,

Lightning (48s):


Sean P. Holman (49s):

I will tell you, Arkansas is, I, I think I’ve only been there once in my life. It gets a bad

Lightning (54s):

Rap, but it’s a cool spot.

Sean P. Holman (55s):

It’s amazing. Yeah. Why that Arkansas’s fricking awesome.

Lightning (57s):

Well, I want you to tell me about it in a minute after the Intro. Okay. All right. First I wanna open this ’cause I thought this was, I was not expecting this box. Okay. I don’t, I don’t. It’s from G Greens wig in Charles City Iowa. IA is Iowa, right? Yeah. So I open,

Sean P. Holman (1m 14s):

Don’t rip the box open. No, I

Lightning (1m 16s):

Got it. I got it open.

Sean P. Holman (1m 17s):

Okay. This. Is. Nice.

Lightning (1m 19s):

Alright. So I don’t want you to see the contents yet, but I’m gonna read this. Oh, This Is. Handwritten. Okay. Greetings. Lightning and Holman. It’s your buddy Grant again. And I’m in need of your sage wisdom. So we

Sean P. Holman (1m 32s):

Have, well, that’s your first mistake. Wow.

Lightning (1m 34s):

Okay. Recently I started a podcast with a buddy called The Die Cast Ranch. It’s kind of a That’s

Sean P. Holman (1m 41s):

A cool name.

Lightning (1m 42s):

I like that. Let’s cool. It caters around our lives as, by the way,

Sean P. Holman (1m 46s):

That’ll be Young farmers. $50 worth of promotion right there on The truck. Yeah.

Lightning (1m 49s):

50 bucks worth. Is that what we’re charging? Yeah. $50

Sean P. Holman (1m 53s):

For Four Seconds.

Lightning (1m 54s):

Talks about his obsession with die cast cars. A bit of an odd Venn diagram of topics, but best to stick with what you know. Right. So we are five episodes in right now and enjoying the process of producing, creating and distributing our own show. Being the titans of podcasting that you are, I wanted to reach out and ask for your advice as a baby podcaster. Now that we’ve been up and running. Are there any pitfalls or mistakes Yes. That we should avoid?

Sean P. Holman (2m 21s):

The pitfalls, the, the number one mistake podcasters make is called Pod Fade. And that’s not realizing that you have to be consistent and you have to have your podcast at a set interval every time. Or you’ll lose your audience almost overnight as they get impatient and don’t wanna wait for you.

Lightning (2m 37s):

So you’re wondering how this whole thing revolves around trucks. He continues with his handwritten note on yellow lined paper. Any other tips or tricks would be appreciated? And as far as payment goes for your wisdom and insight, I have included, not one, but two die cast cars. Okay. Hope you guys enjoy them. And I wanna say thank you for inspiring me to start my very own podcast journey.

Sean P. Holman (2m 58s):

That’s awesome.

Lightning (2m 59s):

Our show is The Die Cast Ranch and we’re on Apple and Spotify as well as all the other socials. Grant G Thank you very, very much. This Is Mine. It says for Lightning until you get yours fixed. What do you think it is?

Sean P. Holman (3m 13s):

TRX. That’s cool. It’s a

Lightning (3m 15s):

TRX Hot Wheels new for 2024.

Sean P. Holman (3m 18s):

That’s red. It’s the wrong color though. Although it does have the headache rack your needs on it. Oh, we

Lightning (3m 22s):

Should talk about that

Sean P. Holman (3m 22s):

Later. Oh, we can? Okay.

Lightning (3m 24s):

Alright. And for Holman, I’m gonna take this out last we take the sticker off this for Holman Booya.

Sean P. Holman (3m 32s):

It’s a street wiener. It’s a street. It’s a wiener schnitzel car. It’s a, it’s a wiener car that has, it’s

Lightning (3m 39s):

Like an F Formula one car,

Sean P. Holman (3m 40s):

But it’s a hot dog. The driver sits in the hotdog and the sides are buns and, and the engine is a grill. That’s so, so rad. That is super weird. But you love drive. Yeah, it’s going on our, so you guys may or may not know we have a gift shelf here in the podcast studio and we have lots of things that our listeners have given us. We got,

Lightning (3m 58s):

We got a cyber truck and an Abe Lincoln and a wiener. And a wiener with a, a crown on it. It’s very odd. Yeah. The Lincoln head

Sean P. Holman (4m 4s):

And the, an farm.

Lightning (4m 5s):

Yeah. All kinds of cool stuff. So thank you guys very, very much. Appreciate it. So in this episode we’re gonna be checking in with Brad Rempel. He is the creator of Body Liner. Imagine something as durable as bed lining material, but looks like paint, but is as glossy and brilliant as paint.

Sean P. Holman (4m 24s):

I’m imagining that as we speak.

Lightning (4m 26s):

I’m also gonna tell you that I drove a 2024 Toyota Tacoma, which is really cool. I met a guy named Ken. He owns 88 rotors and they are Toyota specialists. This particular one was lifted on King Shocks already. Say already. Yeah. King apparently used this as a demo. Nice. Or I should say a test truck. And Ken is an awesome entrepreneur and we’re gonna check in with him on an upcoming episode. But I’m just letting you know that I, I’m, I’m really impressed with that Tacoma. I didn’t expect to be and I am. All right. We should also discuss on this episode the fore Runner craze. I mean, seriously, Toyota blowing up the internet the last couple days here with the fore Runner.

Lightning (5m 6s):


Sean P. Holman (5m 7s):

And, and there’s a big embargo leak and a bunch of stuff and Oh, I didn’t know about the embargo leak. Oh yeah, yeah. I posted how I was kind of, yeah, I posted on my social, I chastised fellow journalists because they broke the embargo and became a kind of a big thing in the industry. So, and then of course there’s a, a gobs of truck news. We’ve got so much content in this show, it’s too much for a 15 minute podcast. So we’re gonna make it for five hours. No,

Lightning (5m 29s):

Please dear God. No. No.

Sean P. Holman (5m 30s):

Alright. Gotta thank our presenting sponsor Nissan, thank you for supporting The Truck. Show Podcast. And they’re gonna be with us again for another year. So big, big prop store friends over there at Nissan, they make one of the best mid-size trucks on the market. The Nissan Frontier. Of course, you can check out the Nissan Frontier at your local dealer, or you can head on over to Nissan usa dot com where you can build and price. And by the way, next week, guess what is coming to the podcast?

Lightning (5m 55s):

New Frontier

Sean P. Holman (5m 57s):


Lightning (5m 58s):

No. Yep. Really? You’ve got

Sean P. Holman (5m 59s):

That done. Yeah. Coming next week. So Really? Yeah. So I’ll have that and it should be pretty cool. So I’m looking forward to putting some miles on the new hard body.

Lightning (6m 6s):

Hells yeah. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (6m 7s):

Yep. Yep.

Lightning (6m 8s):

Where does someone get a hard body, Mr. Holman?

Sean P. Holman (6m 10s):

Not from the Wiener, schnitzel and Dr. Pepper diet. I can tell you that much. Thank

Lightning (6m 13s):

You. Goodnight. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (6m 14s):

And head on down to your local Nissan dealership, also the Nissan Titan and the Nissan Titan xd. Available with the industry’s best five year, 100,000 mile warranty. Nissan usa dot com.

Lightning (6m 25s):

And if you’re looking for a set of fuel caps for your 2019 to current Ram Cummins, because it comes with a little tiny flimsy cap, don’t go to banks power dot com because they’re sold out. And if you’re looking for a map sensor spacer to keep the also sold out. Yeah. Also sold.

Sean P. Holman (6m 43s):

What do you have in stock, Mr. Lightning?

Lightning (6m 45s):

What we have in stock right now that you guys need to know about. Do you own a durmax L five P 17 to current the brand new banks Duramax Monster Ram? Not only does it increase your throttle response because of its huge gulp capacity, but it also increases your turbo life because it reduces the turbo speed by just bringing it down a few hundred RPM. That turbo will last so much longer. And you can get up to your commanded boost sooner because it’s spinning at a lower speed. It’s awesome. And of course, it’s banks red and machined aluminum in all its glory. Go to banks power dot com, type in your year, make and model and find the Durmax monster Ram for your L five P.

Sean P. Holman (7m 25s):

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Lightning (7m 32s):

Yes, I actually did.

Sean P. Holman (7m 33s):

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2 (8m 2s):

The truck show, we’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer What The truck, Because truck rides with The truck show. We have the lifted We. have the lowered and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Whoa Whoa.

3 (8m 34s):

It’s The truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Lightning (8m 39s):

So much going on, my friend. All right. I need to bring you guys up to speed.

Sean P. Holman (8m 44s):

Wait a minute.

Lightning (8m 45s):


Sean P. Holman (8m 45s):

A minute. We, we didn’t talk about my awesome rental car

Lightning (8m 48s):

Experience. We, I want to hear about that first. I owe everyone a, an update on the TRX. No,

Sean P. Holman (8m 52s):

No, no, no. We’re talking about road trips and, and hot dogs and, okay. Giant big gulps. You

Lightning (9m 1s):

Think that’s more important than the update on the tx? Yeah. Nobody

Sean P. Holman (9m 3s):

Cares about Do

Lightning (9m 3s):

You think it’s more important than Brad Rempel? He’s,

Sean P. Holman (9m 5s):

Yeah. He’ll, he’ll be, he’ll be fine. Okay. He’ll be fine. So you know how when You rent a car and it’s always a crapshoot and you go on like the enterprise or Herd’s website and you’re like, I’m gonna rent a car, and it’s like something similar to a Ford Edge and you’re going, whoa, what’s, what could it be? So I gotta tell a shout out to Enterprise Rent a car out there.

Lightning (9m 25s):

No, you can’t give a shout out to Enterprise Rent a car

Sean P. Holman (9m 27s):

Out at KC International Airport. MCI and I, I roll up and I’m thinking, so I, I get there before my dad and daughter do. We fly into kc, we’re gonna go down to Arkansas to, to see the eclipse. We are within 10 miles of the path of totality. Like we had this campsite right under the middle of the big, you know, band that was going across the country. Epic, by the way. Super, super incredible. And I pull up and I see a row of Jeep Compasses.

Lightning (9m 54s):

Now, wait a minute. What had you reserved What? Classification Economy. Sub Economy

Sean P. Holman (9m 57s):

Standard. SUV Ford Edge or similar, which I’m thinking is probably gonna be a little small for what we need. And I’m thinking, oh man, man,

Lightning (10m 4s):

I always go Tahoe. Well, and

Sean P. Holman (10m 5s):

I see a row of compasses with the hatches open and I’m like, yeah, that’s not gonna work. I really hope. ’cause you know,

Lightning (10m 11s):

Because compasses are small

Sean P. Holman (10m 12s):

And rental car companies play this stupid game of like a mid-size is not the what a midsize is mid-size.

Lightning (10m 18s):

Like a civic.

Sean P. Holman (10m 18s):

Yeah. I mean that’s that, that crap game, right? The lady walks up and she goes, oh, do you have a reservation? Yeah, here’s all my paperwork. She goes, oh great. Yeah, you got a, it looks like you have a standard sized SUV. Oh,

Lightning (10m 29s):

Tell me. She said, choose anything in this row.

Sean P. Holman (10m 31s):

And I said, it’s not the compasses is it? And she goes, oh no, we have something over here for you. And she turns over to this row of larger SUVs sitting there was a 2023 Dodge Durango Citadel fully loaded every option, black on black. And I’m like, that one dude, that thing was

Lightning (10m 52s):

Awesome. I don’t even know what a citadel

Sean P. Holman (10m 54s):

Is. It’s their top of the line. Fancy like suede headliner,

Lightning (10m 57s):

That’s their platinum edition or

Sean P. Holman (10m 58s):

Whatever, giant screen. Soft leather and all that. So ended up doing dude So. it had, are you

Lightning (11m 3s):

Like an executive member, like a platinum or whatever, like

Sean P. Holman (11m 5s):

A No, my mom actually booked it through Costco. And so I picked up the rental car ’cause I got in before my dad and my daughter did. They took a different flight and then picked them up. Dude, this thing was like the murder sled, black on black. And so this had a three six with the eight speed. And we drove a total of a thousand miles, I think it was like nine something down to Arkansas and back 24 miles per gallon in that thing. It had like a 600 mile range. What

Lightning (11m 28s):

What engine is it that with

Sean P. Holman (11m 29s):

The three six PE star? Three six. Oh really? Okay. Totally fine. It had adaptive cruise control. I’m just saying it’s, you never get a good car at around. And especially when You go and you’re gonna have like a, a long distance road trip, right? Like multiple states, hundreds of miles. You always get the one that has one tire outta balance or something. Yeah. And it’s like, and there’s like a flutter and there’s like a piece of weather stripping that’s flapping in the wind. Dude,

Lightning (11m 52s):

The last two times I walked out and I scanned my little QR code and they go anything in that row and she goes, any of them in that row? And they’re all just boxes. Ah. And I’m like, no, no. And I was with Gale too. Oh boy. Gale’s six, whatever. Yeah. And he is

Sean P. Holman (12m 5s):

Like, that will work. No, that won’t

Lightning (12m 7s):

Work. Sucked. We ended up getting some crappy mid-size sedan. It wasn’t even an SUV normally. Oh man. Normally I will make sure I get at least a Tahoe. Yeah. Sometimes we go baller if Gail’s here we’re

Sean P. Holman (12m 19s):

Escalating. Exactly right. Yeah. I was just, I was happy to get a, a fully loaded, you know, of Durango. I haven’t driven a Durango in a while. And I was like, man, this thing, this one had a fair amount of miles on it. No squeaks or rattles, no issues whatsoever. Everything felt nice and tight. It was just, it was like a pleasurable like rental car experience. So

Lightning (12m 38s):

That’s an anomaly.

Sean P. Holman (12m 40s):

I know. It was. And so anyway, we, we drove down, we had this awesome campsite and as you know, we went to the annular eclipse out in Utah. We took 3 92 back in what? October, September, whenever that happened after Utah. And that was full coverage as well. Except the way the moon covered the sun. There was a big ring around it, so you couldn’t look at it. Where we were at Arkansas,

Lightning (12m 58s):

You know, you’re insane, right?

Sean P. Holman (12m 59s):

Is totality the fact

Lightning (12m 60s):

That you and and millions of people went to see a four minute event.

Sean P. Holman (13m 5s):

It was amazing. That is worse

Lightning (13m 7s):

Than standing an hour at Disneyland to go on a

Sean P. Holman (13m 9s):

32nd ride. No, it’s not a four minute event. It’s like a couple hours. It’s just the the, the crescendo is in the middle and it’s four minutes. Dude. We’re sitting there and you’re No, no, no, stop. We went and camped with our friends and it was awesome. And we ate like good food, smoked cigars and drank beer. It was like, what, what more do you want? We’re sitting there. And it’s crazy because in Utah it’s, it looked like you had sunglasses on like, just look at it like it got darker. It got really cold, but it didn’t get super dark. This got like almost nighttime dark And When. you look up at the sky, no wonder like the Incas and, and like, you know, all these tribes are like, the world is ending ’cause it feels like freaking Star Wars, dude, you’re, you’re outside.

Sean P. Holman (13m 50s):

All of a sudden the light’s dim and it’s really fat. Like when there is, let’s say 5% of the sun remaining, it’s like 80% light still. It’s crazy. Like it still looks like sunlight’s warm. The second the sun disappears, it’s like cold. It gets dark. You look up in the sky. Do you feel like

Lightning (14m 9s):

You’re, we’re gonna have an ice age dude,

Sean P. Holman (14m 10s):

You look up in the sky and there’s just a fiery ring. You see the corona Yeah. Around the moon. And it’s like, dude, if you don’t know what’s happening, and by the way, all you flat earth, there’s f you because like that doesn’t, there’s no projection on the firmament or whatever. Shut up. So anyway, we’re, we’re sitting there and firmament, you can see the, you can see the corona like flares coming out from behind the moon. They

Lightning (14m 32s):

Had a beer in the sky. That’s so weird.

Sean P. Holman (14m 34s):

And all of the animals and like the frogs and all like all

Lightning (14m 39s):

Crazy nighttime.

Sean P. Holman (14m 40s):

And then, then once it passed, so like, as the four minutes goes by and there’s like 3% more sun, like just, we’re talking like 30 seconds or less of the, of the sun coming out from, from being behind the moon. And it’s like daylight comes up like a sunrise, like fast forward and it’s like instantly bright again. It was weird. But you’re just sitting there and you’re like looking at this thing and the sky and you’re going like, you don’t comprehend. You, you feel like you’re in a Star Wars movie. You’re like at Disneyland. Look, looking up dude. It’s crazy.

Lightning (15m 14s):

Look, I listen to a lot of NPR public radio. Shouldn’t they were all shouldn’t. No, no I didn’t. You shouldn’t because I I you get a lot of walks of life on there that are all

Sean P. Holman (15m 21s):

No, they don’t do liberals. Not like they used to. Yeah, it’s all one side. They don’t, they didn’t have the other side anymore, but they

Lightning (15m 26s):

Cover stuff like this. You’re not gonna hear it on your local news channel. Whatever. So it’s, I listen on the way to work. Listen these, they’re interviewing people. They’re like, This Is, like a life changing event. You’ll, you’ll never be the same out of after you see an eclipse like this. I’m like, dude, seriously the moon passed in front. No, I get it. It’s like, what if the world was at its last day and it was, it’s pure darkness and we’re gonna go to the nice

Sean P. Holman (15m 49s):

Age, the locus game and the cicada.

Lightning (15m 51s):

Oh wait, that’s, that’s not the case.

Sean P. Holman (15m 52s):

And then the earthquake in New York City’s

Lightning (15m 54s):

Like four minutes. Yeah, exactly. Stop it,

Sean P. Holman (15m 56s):

Stop it everywhere. Life, life goes on. Anyway, my whole point was rad rental car experience. Love Arkansas. I ate at Waffle House and Cracker Barrel on this strip, which were across the street from each other. And I got to see an eclipse and hang out with my dad and my oldest daughter. And it was awesome. Wish you were there. Anyway, let’s talk more about your stupid truck

Lightning (16m 20s):

Back window is in ladies and gentlemen,

Sean P. Holman (16m 22s):

Nobody cares.

Lightning (16m 23s):

Back window was in That’s it. That’s

Sean P. Holman (16m 25s):

And where and where’s it parked?

Lightning (16m 28s):

The back window was $2,600. Why installed?

Sean P. Holman (16m 34s):


Lightning (16m 35s):

The, the, the actual window was like 1600 and the guy charged like a, that

Sean P. Holman (16m 39s):

Little piece. Glasses

Lightning (16m 40s):

The whole thing. It’s a frame and all.

Sean P. Holman (16m 42s):

Oh, they have to do the whole window. The

Lightning (16m 44s):

Whole fricking window had to come out.

Sean P. Holman (16m 45s):

Yep. Well that’s why, you know, car companies are hosed because like,

Lightning (16m 50s):

And and so Eder our manager, our

Sean P. Holman (16m 53s):

Service manager over at Glendale. Correct.

Lightning (16m 55s):

He says don’t let it get broken again because there’s still a back order of about another two months.

Sean P. Holman (17m 2s):

And you went, okay, I’ll sit in the back of my truck all

Lightning (17m 4s):

The time. So no, what we have devised is I got

Sean P. Holman (17m 8s):

The headache rack

Lightning (17m 9s):

Scan data from the SEMA garage Okay. Of the cab and the bed as unit. And

Sean P. Holman (17m 16s):

You’re putting armor plating over the windows. I

Lightning (17m 18s):

Am not. We are making a headache rack. We’re gonna design, Matt Gamble is gonna help me next week and we’re going to make a, a headache rack. So

Sean P. Holman (17m 25s):

Wait last week,

Lightning (17m 25s):

But it’s gone not

Sean P. Holman (17m 26s):

Chastised our listeners saying what a dumb idea that was.

Lightning (17m 29s):

I let it sink in. Oh, I let it sink in. So for those of you that suggested a headache rack, brilliant idea. You’re the masters of the universe. I’m just saying like that would it ended up being the only way to keep someone out of that back window. Yeah. Now you say, well they’re gonna move on to the, to the side windows. No,

Sean P. Holman (17m 46s):


Lightning (17m 47s):

Said that they are gonna move on to the side windows. ’cause I’ve seen it happen. How am I gonna prevent that? I have an appointment with Brian Rodriguez at SoCal Tint and he is going to put

Sean P. Holman (17m 56s):

On, put in the film we talked about,

Lightning (17m 57s):

He’s gonna put on the 3M Bulletproofing film, which which

Sean P. Holman (17m 59s):

Is the film that they use on police cars for riot protection and stuff. That’s

Lightning (18m 2s):

Exactly right. So. it can still be broken. Yeah. But they can’t kick it in

Sean P. Holman (18m 5s):

And it holds it all together. Exactly.

Lightning (18m 6s):

So that is what I’m doing. It’s super open.

Sean P. Holman (18m 9s):

Does it go inside or outside the window?

Lightning (18m 11s):

It goes inside, inside. And they have 3M now. Makes it tinted.

Sean P. Holman (18m 13s):

Oh, okay. So that’s kind of cool So it can’t be tinted.

Lightning (18m 15s):

Yeah, that’s exactly right. Now, so the last week I was chastised on Ram 1500 TRX Facebook group. When I said, Hey guys, I want to block off my neutral release, my little orange strap that you can pull this and it doesn’t matter what gear you’re in, right? It just goes to neutral. It, it goes to neutral and you can push it. One group online said, well, you’re an idiot because you have an electronic parking brake.

Sean P. Holman (18m 39s):

You mean there’s a because after they said

Lightning (18m 41s):

That. Yeah, because yeah, because because you are, you’ve got an electronic parking brake that if they can’t unlock your vehicle right. With a key fob or anything else, you can jack it up. That parking brake is still, they can jack up the rear and then that’s only, and then they can pull it that way. So I said, whoa, that’s not gonna solve it. I said, well I’m gonna, how about, although it’s

Sean P. Holman (18m 59s):

All Wheel drive, so I don’t know if the clutches are engaged at that point. Anyway, continue.

Lightning (19m 4s):

I think you can still move the damn truck if you pull the neutral strap. So I said I’m gonna buy, I got this little plate for my buddies at ili SoCal, but it, it doesn’t fit perfectly. It’s close. I just don’t like the fit. It’s, it’s, they’re, they’re gonna revise it and send me a new one. But like, I’m like, there’s gotta be a better way that I can, can I pull this whole unit out from behind the dashboard that’s got this physical cable down to the transmission and like put a box run or something and they’re like, why would you do any of that stuff? Because anyone can crawl under your truck and just pull it and put their finger and pull the strap. Yeah. And it’s like go and there’s a little like l-shaped bracket at the end of the cable.

Sean P. Holman (19m 40s):

Just undo it and

Lightning (19m 41s):

Yeah, it’s a, it’s a 12 millimeter or something. Yeah. And just undo it and pull the bracket off.

Sean P. Holman (19m 45s):

But then if you need it, put it back on,

Lightning (19m 46s):

Put it back on and nobody will be able to put it neutral at that point. Yeah. I thought, oh, okay. So I learned a lot while being chastised. So that was okay,

Sean P. Holman (19m 53s):

Just like on the show. Exactly. Some things never changed. I felt right

Lightning (19m 56s):

At home on that.

Sean P. Holman (19m 57s):

Amazing. Absolutely. Amazing. Alright, what do you say? We get into the new fore Runner, which blew up the internet during this week. I’m mixed on it. I gotta tell you.

Lightning (20m 11s):

I really like it. Except for the fender flares. What’s up with the contrast colors on the fender flares? Oh, I

Sean P. Holman (20m 17s):

Don’t care about that at

Lightning (20m 17s):

All. I hate it. I hate it, hate it, hate,

Sean P. Holman (20m 20s):

Hate it. Most vehicles have contrasting fender

Lightning (20m 22s):

Flares and I, that’s why I bought

Sean P. Holman (20m 23s):


Lightning (20m 24s):


Sean P. Holman (20m 24s):

Has contrasting fender

Lightning (20m 25s):

Flares why I bought the black for that exact reason. Okay. Because they, it’s black on black and you couldn’t tell. Yeah, I like when we’re gonna talk to Brad Rempel in a few minutes and Body liner and I just saw he had recently done a color match on everything on A TRX, kind of like this bluish cement gray looked bitch. And when the, the whole truck is is is paint match, color match, it just looks

Sean P. Holman (20m 47s):

Exhaustive. The

Lightning (20m 48s):

Two-tone thing.

Sean P. Holman (20m 49s):

Lame back to your four Runner. Right? Well it doesn’t bother me. The reason they do that is because they want the Wheel wells to look bigger. I know. And so that way it looks more off roady. It looks more LaMer. My thing is, I don’t understand where the fore Runner and the Land Cruiser fit in with each other. ’cause they, I knew you were gonna say that the exact same freaking vehicle. Yeah, the the what? Third row seat right? Hold. No, no, no, no, no. Hold on, hold on, hold on. So check this out. I lined up the specs between the two. The forerunner is available with the Tacoma’s non hybrid four cylinder power plants. The Land Cruiser standard with the hybrid and you can get the hybrid in the four Runner. So, okay, so there’s one difference.

Sean P. Holman (21m 29s):

Both have an eight, the same eight speed automatic. Both have part-time or full-time. Four Wheel drive with a two speed transfer case. Both make the same 326 horsepower and 465 pound feet of torque. Both have the same 6,000 pound tow rating. Both have the same 112.2 inch Wheel base. The fore Runner is 194.9 inches long while the Land Cruiser is 193.8 inches long. The overall width is 77.8 on the fore Runner 77.9 on the Land Cruiser. Wait, overall it’s, it’s one 10th of an inch. Overall height is the only major difference. It’s 70.8 on a four Runner and 76.1 on a Land Cruiser. So you get more headroom and it’s more upright.

Sean P. Holman (22m 9s):

The ground clearance on the four Runner, which is actually less than the outgoing forerunner 9.2 inches. And the Land cruiser’s actually worse at eight inches. Hmm. Like this, like, okay, so here in my thinking I get it. You’re you’re bringing over the same platform. Everything’s on the Real Land Cruiser, the Sequoia, the Tundra, the Tacoma, the forerunner, the Land Cruiser, the gx all on the same platform. Now the GX currently is the Land Cruiser that the Lexus version of the Land Cruiser. It has a twin turbocharge V six and no hybrid options yet. But there will be in the future. And it has an optional third row. So you would think, oh well that makes sense.

Sean P. Holman (22m 51s):

The Land Cruiser should also have an optional third row and it would probably have an upgraded engine from a hybrid to most certainly the V six. Right. But they don’t, there’s no third row in the for Runner, there’s no third row in the Land Cruiser and they’re the exact same size. I happen to like the for runners outside styling better than the Land Cruiser. I think Land Cruiser are kind of stodgy looking. I think the GX is way better. But I like the more adult grownup interior of the Land Cruiser. Way better. Why not make the Land Cruiser have a front locker? It doesn’t. They both have rear lockers available. They both have sway bar disconnect available. What? And there’s no Trail Hunter Land Cruiser or TRD Pro Land Cruiser. But you have a Trail Hunter and a TRD Pro off-road packages on the forerunner.

Sean P. Holman (23m 34s):

You only have a Well they, but

Lightning (23m 35s):

Don’t they always save those for Toyota and not for Land Cruiser?

Sean P. Holman (23m 39s):

No. Land Cruiser always has everything. It does well, it should. Well the last ones haven’t had Front lockers, but that’s the echelon of Toyota off-Road performance. So now I feel like it’s kind of not So they shouldn’t have called it a Land Cruiser. They should have called it a Land Cruiser Prodo. ’cause that’s really what it is. But I’m looking at these two vehicles side by side. I’m going like, where’s the differentiation? So I was reading the story on Motor One and Motor One apparently interviewed one of the engineers to talk about what is different and what is the same between the forerunner and the Land Cruiser. And I thought it was one of the most bogus like

Lightning (24m 21s):


Sean P. Holman (24m 22s):

Comment. No. Well, let me read this quote and then you tell me what you think when discussing their missions. Apparently chief engineer for both the forerunner and Land Cruiser, Kita Maurizio says, quote unquote, they each have a role, a mission that differentiates the two vehicles. The Land Cruisers designed to support life. It has to be safe. Its duty is to transport people and good safely and confidently. That’s its role. And obviously it doesn’t break. And even if it does break, it has to be easy to repair. It’s a vehicle that gives people a peace of mind. That’s the role of this vehicle. Okay, well that just sounds like it must be outta your mind, blah, blah, blah stuff. Number one. Number two, they’re the same chassis. So they would have the same Repairability score.

Sean P. Holman (25m 2s):

He goes on to say, in contrast, the four Runner represents fun, a leisurely off-road experience. The customer wants to have an exciting time in the car. And to be really able to have fun is what’s important. It’s a much lighter, more agile kind of vehicle and has a much more energetic, active kind of persona to it.

Lightning (25m 18s):

Try again.

Sean P. Holman (25m 19s):

Like what I’m just, I I I’m struggling to understand. So in my perfect world, four Runner is exactly how it should be. Now four Runner will be priced less than Land Cruiser because you can get the non-hybrid engines in there. Right? Four Runner does is optional to hybrid. So they’re gonna start four Runner at a lower price point, but by the time you option it up with a hybrid, it should be almost the same price as Land Cruiser. So what’s the differentiator? In my perfect world, I would’ve taken the Land Cruiser, added a front locker, I would’ve added a beefier Wheel Tire package to it. I would’ve added a third row optional and I would’ve added the V six Turbo and I would’ve been, oh, This, Is different than the four Runner because it has more power.

Sean P. Holman (26m 0s):

It’s got a V six, it has a third row, it has more off-road capability at the Front locker for at least the overland slow speed stuff.

Lightning (26m 7s):

So I get it’s the same truck with a different badge,

Sean P. Holman (26m 9s):

Right? Yeah. Like what do you guys think? Truck Show podcast at gmail dot com. I’m curious, like am I, am I wrong? Like what am I missing here? Ha Have you guys seen something else out there that, that differentiate?

Lightning (26m 20s):

Well, I differentiates these things. Say we have different colors. We have d like what are they gonna,

Sean P. Holman (26m 24s):

I mean, one’s more retro and upright. Okay. Like fine, but they’re, they’re literally the same underpinnings. It’s the same vehicle. Hmm. I I I’m I

Lightning (26m 34s):

Off, I wonder if it’s just gonna be a marketing play, you know, like, duh. Well, no, I’m, well I yeah, I guess you’re right. Duh. Like, I mean, if you’ve got money, buy a Land Cruiser. If you are a adventurous off-Road youth, the forerunner

Sean P. Holman (26m 48s):

For you. Yeah. I don’t, I don’t know. I just, I feel like the fact that there’s no TRD Pro, there’s no like a Trail Hunter Land Cruiser. Maybe, maybe there’ll be something in two years. Maybe they wanna get it out the door with, but the development works already done on it. Why not at least offer the Trail Hunter trim on a Land Cruiser? At least give it more off-roading chops. But forgive me Cruise,

Lightning (27m 8s):

You’re not understanding. Hold on. Forgive me. I I have they traditionally offered those packages in Land Cruisers, but

Sean P. Holman (27m 14s):

No Trail Hunter’s brand new? No,

Lightning (27m 15s):

No, no, no, no, no. Have they offered those off-Road packages that I always thought were just Toyota branded into the Land Cruiser market?

Sean P. Holman (27m 23s):

Land Cruiser is a Toyota

Lightning (27m 24s):

Branded. No, no, I know that. I’m saying like to TRDI thought was only on Toyota trucks not Land Cruiser trucks. I get that. It’s the same company. But I’m saying

Sean P. Holman (27m 33s):

You’re you’re just, you’re inventing some weird No, no, I’m asking

Lightning (27m 36s):

You. That’s a

Sean P. Holman (27m 37s):

Question. Land Cruiser has always been a specially, almost handbuilt version vehicle in Land Cruiser City in

Lightning (27m 45s):

Japan. I know that

Sean P. Holman (27m 46s):

Land Cruiser means something more and now I get that this won’t be, this won’t be built there. So they’ve already taken the Land Cruiser name and bastardized it and brought it down market so more people could afford it. The only real Land Cruiser available in the United States is the lx ’cause that’s on the, the, that’s the proper Global Land Cruiser. But it has 20 or 22 inch wheels. And it doesn’t have the same off-roading chops as it should. But now they’re on the same platform. This Is a smaller version of that. But here’s the thing. No, you’ve never had a TRD Land Cruiser because Land Cruiser always was the top of the top of the top when it came to off-Road capability.

Lightning (28m 20s):

I see So, it hasn’t needed,

Sean P. Holman (28m 21s):

It hasn’t needed it, but now you need something. Why not overlay it with Trail Hunter? Because that I, to me that feels like the Trail hunters would be way more capable. It’s got those giant aluminum old man EMU shocks that are built by Bill Stein that are amazing. you can get the foxes on the TRD Pro a better Wheel and tire package. Like, like is the Pole Runner gonna be less capable or more capable than the Land Cruiser now?

Lightning (28m 44s):

Yeah. It sounds like someone at their product development department should have called Mr. Sean Holman before they released The truck.

Sean P. Holman (28m 50s):

I’m just, it’s just, it’s, I’m sorry. Toyota has some really cool vehicles coming out and there’s a flavor for everybody. But it feels like the product roadmap is a little bit of a mess. You start at Tacoma and then you can get a Tundra, right? There’s your pickup. Or you can start at for Runner and then you can get a Land Cruiser and then you can get a Sequoia and then you can get a Lexus LX in there. you can get a GX all in the same platform. I don’t know Toyota. Like I love you guys and Great, glad you’re glad you’re making 47 things.

Lightning (29m 24s):

Hold on. Come on the show and explain it to us. Yeah. Get, we gotta get an Abacus and a Venn diagram and like put it all together and

Sean P. Holman (29m 31s):

Like, help me out here. I like, I I I’m not trying to hate on Toyota. Like I actually really like the four Runner. I wish the styling was a little bit more differentiated than a Tacoma because it it’s really Tacoma ish, right? Like it’s, I like it. I think it looks good. The, the rear window feels like a couple generations ago, which is kind of cool.

Lightning (29m 48s):

I was disappointed in the sunroof, but we’ll get to, I’ll review this later.

Sean P. Holman (29m 51s):

Well that’s on, that’s a Tacoma. Yes. Right. This Is. We’re talking about for Runner though. Sorry. But I don’t like, like I think the, the Land cruiser dash is more upscale. I don’t like the way they have a 14 inch freaking iPad just sitting. It’s not integrated in the dash at all. It’s just giant screen that’s just sitting there. Just looks, yeah. Yeah. And Don don’t like the giant Toyota bro lettering on the dash. Otherwise

Lightning (30m 12s):

I don’t mind that. Otherwise,

Sean P. Holman (30m 13s):

I like the interior. I think it’s, Toyota made a concerted effort to make hard buttons on purpose to make it so you can operate that thing off road. The AC controls all of it. It’s really’s buttons. you can push the way like God intended, not this Tesla and Rivian crap where it’s inside a screen or Land Rover where you’re bouncing off road and you can can’t

Lightning (30m 32s):

Tap, tap, tap.

Sean P. Holman (30m 33s):

What a mess. So it’s nice to see, like they, they thought about that. Obviously we’ve had the chief engineer on the, on the show. There’s the right people. I just don’t understand the product strategy and the pricing and all that. So anyway, there’s my beef with the new forerunner. We can talk about it more as more information comes out. I, I’m anxious to hear what you think about the new Tacoma now that you’ve been in one. Well,

Lightning (30m 53s):

I think what we’re gonna do is get Canon from 88 Rotors who owns this truck and when we get his, ’cause he’s lived with it for a while already. And then I’ll just weigh in as he talks about it. ’cause he’s owned it and driven it quite a bit. All right. He’s taken it all over the place,

Sean P. Holman (31m 7s):

So. Well, I’m definitely anxious to, to know more. All

Lightning (31m 9s):

Right, let’s flip the script a little bit and let’s get Brad Rempel on the phone, who is the creator of Body Liner and he’s got a pretty interesting backstory and what he’s made might surprise you. Let’s, let’s dial up Brad.

Brad Rempel (31m 27s):

Hey Lightning, how you doing, man?

Lightning (31m 29s):

What’s happening? Mr. Brad? Rempel. No

Sean P. Holman (31m 31s):

Love for Holman. I see how it is. It’d be great interview.

Lightning (31m 34s):

No, no, no. Oh,

Brad Rempel (31m 35s):

Oh, I’m sorry. Sorry. Sean.

Lightning (31m 37s):


Sean P. Holman (31m 37s):


Lightning (31m 39s):

We have got a lot to talk to you about, Brad, but I think we need to establish first that you are an entrepreneur and we have a jingle that is appropriate. What entrepreneur? What does it take? Entrepreneur. Don’t let you can,

5 (31m 59s):


Lightning (32m 0s):

Worry. There will always be another crappy job. This Is. What it takes to be an entrepreneur. This Is. What it takes to be an entrepreneur.

Sean P. Holman (32m 10s):

What, what takes this, what are you talking about?

Lightning (32m 15s):

I’m just, I’m just recapping the jingle here.

Sean P. Holman (32m 17s):

Oh, the jingle. Got it. The

Lightning (32m 18s):

Jingle. Hey, you so Brad,

Sean P. Holman (32m 19s):


Lightning (32m 19s):

You, you spent most of your life as a musician. How bad did that jingle suck

Brad Rempel (32m 25s):

That, you know what? It could have been much worse.

Lightning (32m 28s):

Okay, I appreciate that. All

Sean P. Holman (32m 29s):

Right, we’re gonna give you the bell for that.

Lightning (32m 31s):

Hey, so we are gonna get into Body Liner. I wanted to know This Is a true entrepreneurial story. And, and so we, a few of our listeners ganged up on us and they’re like, how do you not know about Body Liner? They, it started at sema, I think last year. And you had a couple vehicles there coded in Body Liner and they’re like, you need to go see this. And Holman and I were both tied up with, we, we had duties, I had banks duties. Holman had stuff for the podcast and he was hosting panels and all this stuff that Whatever you do. Holman. Yeah. And then we kept getting beaten up by, I was like, why haven’t you seen the Body Liner truck yet? Why haven’t you, like we don’t have time. We,

Sean P. Holman (33m 7s):

Yeah, we literally are like 24 7 all the way through. I I, here’s what I wanna know. So we got

Lightning (33m 12s):

Super hyped up on it,

Sean P. Holman (33m 14s):

But I have questions. My first question is, how did you go from slaying ax to spraying trucks?

Lightning (33m 19s):

Oh no, you didn’t. Seriously, I

Sean P. Holman (33m 20s):

Did you like that? You just did that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Brad Rempel (33m 25s):

Well, I mean, I always loved vehicles growing up, actually. I grew up with very little money. So I started the entrepreneur journey when I was 13. I told my dad I really wanted a dirt bike. And at this time I was already playing instruments because I’ve been playing instruments since I was just a little kid. The old man gave me seven bucks for an ad in the paper. And I put an ad in the paper saying, young man looking for odd jobs. And so that actually spun into a commercial and residential house painting and coatings company. But when I was 16, 17, 18, I started a business called Z Raider Performance. That was a side business. And I was customizing vehicles, putting body kits on cars. And I’m old enough that This Is a couple decades ago already.

Brad Rempel (34m 7s):

And so when I was putting those body kits on cars, that’s when they came in such poor shape that you always have to cut ’em in half, re fiberglass ’em, get all that stuff going. And so that’s what really got my love for vehicles going. But then when I was 18, 19, I won a bunch of radio contests with some of the bands that I was part of. And I was like, man, like why work for a living when I could possibly just scream into a microphone, play some drums and play guitars. And so that’s what I spend almost all my twenties doing to get sued by the world’s biggest record label. I would find Universal Studios in

Lightning (34m 41s):

Thousand 14 on Wait, wait On The Rock. Wait, hold. Well why, why did you just ding that? Because you got sued. You

Sean P. Holman (34m 46s):

Got sued by the world’s biggest record company. That’s that. There’s a story there. Yeah.

Lightning (34m 50s):

So wait, you got sued by Universal? Yeah,

Brad Rempel (34m 51s):

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I went, I was in a lot of bands as a kid when I was 17, 18, won some of the local radio contests that was a band called All Six Cylinders. I was the bass player and backup singer for that band. And then I was like, you know what? Like I love drums. I’ve been playing drums since I was eight years old. So I thought, let’s go, let’s go do something different. Let’s go be a drummer. I was a drummer for a sixties, seventies, and eighties touring band for 21 when I was 21, 22, 23. And that band stayed really busy playing a lot of corporate gigs, but all the guys in the band were about double my age. You know, I was in my early twenties, those boys were in their early forties. So I thought, okay, well I actually contacted my local radio station 1 0 6 7, the drive little plug for Ooey there.

Sean P. Holman (35m 31s):

How funny, because Lightning’s old radio station was

Lightning (35m 33s):

1 0 6 7 1 6 7 K Rock, KROQ in Los Angeles. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (35m 37s):

That’s funny, huh? Super, super cool.

Brad Rempel (35m 38s):

Oh, no way. Yeah. So This Is in Red Deer. Yeah, red Deer 1 0 6 7, the drive. And back then he had what’s called favors from Fuey. The DJ’s name was Fuey. And I called him up and said, well, I’m a lead singer. And I wasn’t yet, I’d never been a lead singer in a band before, but I’d always been a backup singer. So I was just speaking it forwards and said, I’m looking for a band. And so I found another band that was ready to record a record. But again, these were guys that were all close to double my age. They were in their mid forties and their lyrics had the word baby unit so many times that I told them we’d have to rewrite these lyrics guys. I’m like, baby’s great, but Van Halen’s Day is not recording anymore. So let’s, let’s, let’s change these lyrics up a little bit. No offense to Van Halen. Everybody loves Van Halen.

Brad Rempel (36m 19s):

I then started a band called Tattered, and in about four years we got scooped by between two record labels that were fighting for us, Sony and Universal. It was a subsidiary label called Blackstream Records that was under the universal brand. And so that’s who we got signed to. And then in 2014 we were on the Rockstar Uproar tour. So that year we were on tour with Rob Zombie Buck, Jerry Godsmack, pop Evil Cedar. And it was one heck of a tour, I’ll tell you that. How

Sean P. Holman (36m 47s):

Was Nickelback on the road?

Lightning (36m 49s):

No, just because he’s Canadian doesn’t mean that he played the

Sean P. Holman (36m 52s):

Nickelback. He totally knows Nickelback. A hundred percent. I hope he doesn’t Do you know Nickelback? You know,

Brad Rempel (36m 56s):

Nickelback, you’re gonna laugh so hard. So

Sean P. Holman (37m 0s):

Story coming, here you go.

Brad Rempel (37m 1s):

Chad came from a town about, yeah, Chad came from a town about 15 minutes from me. I knew Chad when his last name still started with a t before his last name was Krueger. His grandparents lived just outside of Three Hills, a town that I grew up in. And his cousin Elliot was one great above me. And so I actually met Chad right when he got kicked out of his older brother’s band. And he was telling me he was starting a new band. You know, I’m kicking myself in the ass. And I didn’t ask himself if he wanted himself a bass player or anything at that point in time, but I was starting a band called All Six Cylinders. And so I watched his band come up while I was growing up with our bands. And so I was watching him do it and said like, guess he can do it.

Brad Rempel (37m 41s):

Like so can I, I’m a lot better looking than that, but so

Sean P. Holman (37m 44s):

I but Kenny really do it. I mean, Kenny really,

Lightning (37m 47s):

No, I mean, so you, you know, I mean it’s been years since they were popular and I I they have still some minor hits now and then, but like down in the States, right? They’re the butt of many, many jokes.

Sean P. Holman (37m 58s):

Well, we used to have a rule on the trail when we used to go Offroading No Nickelback. And so, ’cause we were at, we were in Rubicon Springs on the Rubicon one year, and some dude comes in with a, a, a jeep and he’s got those like bass boat or Wakeboard boat, big old speakers on his roll bar of his Jeep. And it’s like one in the morning in this quiet, quiet Rubicon Canyon where there’s like a stream running and it’s just dead. And here comes Nickelback Jackass at 1:00 AM. So from that point on, we had this rule, no Nickelback. And it, it’s held for, for decades now. And I actually have a picture, one of the guys, I think he was on the Skyjack run or something where he was spotting.

Sean P. Holman (38m 39s):

He has a, a nickelback shirt like band tour shirt on the back. The photo is somewhere. So in Four Wheeler magazine, I, I took it and I put a big X through it and I’m like, no Nickelback. And so that used to be our thing. So what’s what’s

Lightning (38m 50s):

Worse Nickelback or getting Rickroll?

Sean P. Holman (38m 53s):

Nickelback. Nickelback. I like getting Rickroll. I’m Rick. Okay, what’s the worst Nickelback or Crown Royal Back or Crown

Lightning (38m 59s):

Royal? Crown Royal. The band. Oh

Sean P. Holman (39m 1s):

No, the drink.

Lightning (39m 2s):

The drink. Oh, Nickelback.

Brad Rempel (39m 3s):

Yeah. I’m not a fan of Crown Royal, but the boys, the boys from the Scorpion would be mad at me because they love the apple Crown Royal.

Sean P. Holman (39m 9s):

Oh, I know a lot of people who just, they love that stuff. What’s better Crown Royal or, or poutine?

Brad Rempel (39m 17s):

Oh boys, you can’t be picking on poutine here.

Sean P. Holman (39m 20s):

I did. I’m, I’m a connoisseur and I have had, I’ve had good Canadian poutine and it’s, it’s, it’s not bad. It’s weird. I’ll tell you the first time you have it, you’re like, and then after you’re done, you’re like, I, I’d like another please. I

Lightning (39m 32s):

Think you were the one that recommended that I had it.

Brad Rempel (39m 33s):

You have the cheese that squeaks.

Lightning (39m 35s):

You have to what? Have cheese that squeaks.

Sean P. Holman (39m 37s):

Yeah, when You chew it, the, the curd,

Brad Rempel (39m 40s):

If it don’t, if it don’t squeak, it’s no good. If it don’t squeak, it’s no good boys.

Sean P. Holman (39m 44s):

I agree with that. I, I think that’s good. Listen to that. The Truck Show Podcast doling out once again, life and culinary advice right here in the middle of a truck interview.

Lightning (39m 52s):

What happens where you get, I I I know we’re going a little sideways here, but you brought it up so universal, you try to get outta the contract and they see you for it or what happens?

Brad Rempel (40m 1s):

So what happened was is they really wanted rights to my music and they didn’t plan on a guy standing up and fighting for himself. So I did, I stood up and fought and after all a said and done, everything got closed out outside of court. We didn’t have to go to court. But it, it was a big scary thing. And I was a unionized musician, I was part of the American Federation musicians. So as of being a union, you can’t play, sing or do anything while in litigation. So that stopped everything. And me and the boys had just quit our jobs. We were, you know, just on the world’s biggest tour for five weeks. And it was like, okay, well everybody go back to work. Like we’re gonna have to find something else to do. And I knew I wasn’t gonna get back into commercial coatings and house painting.

Brad Rempel (40m 43s):

Me and my dad had had grown that company too when I was 19. We had 27 guys working for us before I

Sean P. Holman (40m 48s):

Oh man.

Brad Rempel (40m 48s):

Wow. I had really tried. Yeah, we like, we were going strong. But I’ll tell you the, trying to think of a really nice way to say that. The, the quality of person you hire to paint a house has gone downhill since I was a young lad. And I think that just looking at the people at the paint houses these days, you can see that it, it’s hard to find yourself a good quality person to be working in that industry. And also if I wanted to make some good money, I had to always be away. At this point. I’m married, I got kids. I thought like I wanted to be home every night. And so I thought, okay, well like let’s start a company working on vehicles. And I really hated the way my truck was always looking at the end of every year, at the end of every year here in Canada, our roads are so harsh, we put so much rock salt.

Brad Rempel (41m 32s):

So literally salt in the form of rock on our roads so we can drive in winter time, they just kick in the ever living crap outta your vehicle. It’s like, man, what could I do to make this stuff better? So I thought back to when I was installing body kits on cars, I was taking a version of a liner that Scorpion had made and I was adjusting it, reformulating it, adding a bunch of different chemicals to it to try to put it on the bottoms of these body kits. ’cause they sat so low to the ground, guys are scraping them. So that, well let’s go back to this. I know how I can make it, first of all, high gloss not fading and super good washing. So let’s start with that. And so we started with that and that was how the company at first Alberta Boy’s custom was born.

Brad Rempel (42m 13s):

I wasn’t planning on starting a company selling chemicals and, and producing paint and all these different things that I, I currently am, I was planning on starting a company customizing vehicles. And so that’s where this had all begun.

Lightning (42m 25s):

So wait, let’s stop you there Brad, and kind of unravel some of this. You were, you’re talking about body kits hanging low to the ground. So you were doing, you were being into the import scene because those don’t sound like trucks unless you were dealing with mini trucks in the nineties. I don’t what was that low? Yeah,

Brad Rempel (42m 40s):

So back then, yeah so Mustangs, right? Like I, I didn’t drive into crowds of people so don’t hold that against me yet.

Sean P. Holman (42m 47s):

He was the guy that was fixing the front bumpers after they got smashed through the crowds of people. I see. And so he had to, you know, make sure they were approved. So I

Brad Rempel (42m 53s):

Was busy,

Sean P. Holman (42m 54s):


Brad Rempel (42m 55s):

I was busy. So yeah, that’s what it was like. I had a 94 Mustang gt. That was my, when I was 15 I had three cars and 81 and 82 and an 84 automobile. Tornado. I put them all together to build one car because remember I grew up broke painting houses and I sold those car, like I built that car, sold it for the down payment for a 94 Mustang gt. And so by the time I was 16 I had a 94 Mustang gt. So I had like a, you know, 5-year-old sports car when I was a kid. So I loved vehicles more than anything else. I had a dirt bike, a street bike and a car. There was nothing I love more than machines. So I was just into it big.

Brad Rempel (43m 35s):

So that’s why I was working on those body kits. ’cause I thought what better thing to do than do what you love? They always say if you do what you love, you never work a day in your life. And we all know that saying’s the biggest pile of we’ve ever heard because no

Sean P. Holman (43m 46s):

Matter how much we do without,

Brad Rempel (43m 49s):

It still feels like work no matter what. Right? Like there’s still days that you just hate what you’re doing even though you’re like, This Is what I dreamed of. You’re like,

Sean P. Holman (43m 57s):

What I

Brad Rempel (43m 57s):

Dreamed of don’t do it.

Sean P. Holman (43m 58s):

I hate this Less than the alternative is basically how that works.

Lightning (44m 2s):

That’s exactly right. Now so you are buying body kits back then from all the manufacturers that we would’ve known back in the day, right? Are you doing this out of a shop? Are you doing this out of your garage?

Brad Rempel (44m 13s):

I was 16 at my mom and dad’s house. So like I was doing this out of my garage. I was, I was just a kid screwing around with people who could let me. And the internet didn’t really exist, right? So like I had, I went to good old staples and you know how you can print off those business cards that you can rip into squares and there was no real business card companies unless you went to like a bigger city. ’cause I was in a small town at this time and like we’re talking late nineties, there wasn’t a printing shop that printed business cards. So you, you know, when you’re in the local city, you bought cards you can print yourself. So with people that found my cards, ’cause no one around really did this kind of work and, and I didn’t do lots of it ’cause I just did it in the evenings and weekends. But it most definitely sparked the passion for what later became what I do.

Lightning (44m 56s):

When did you like what was this rock salt doing to the, ’cause we know what rock salt does to to metal obviously it oxidizes it and just rust it to death and it falls apart.

Sean P. Holman (45m 5s):

Well it pits it and essentially breaks through whatever the coating is, whether it’s a chrome or a a paint clear

Lightning (45m 12s):

Coat. Right. But what I’m saying is too, he’s talking about body kits and at that point the body kits were either car fiber, well they were fiber, fiberglass, fiber

Sean P. Holman (45m 16s):

Fibers, fiber. They

Lightning (45m 17s):

Fiberglass. Fiberglass or C

Sean P. Holman (45m 18s):

Or maybe smc. Yeah, they were all

Lightning (45m 19s):

Fiberglass back then. Right. Or ABS or something like that. Right. So then are you looking for something to coat the body kits at that point? Or are you looking for something to coat the steel that’s rotting?

Brad Rempel (45m 31s):

So when I was 16, back then I was just, I had to paint these body kits and so I was just playing with some of that stuff. But now the reason I was doing it is I was honestly tired of my own truck getting beat up so bad. ’cause here again, we not only use rock salt, but we also throw gravel all over our roads. We have lots of gravel roads around here, but because on the highways and all the city streets in wintertime we actually throw gravel and rock salt down. So our vehicles chip horrifically and then you expose bare metal and then next winter you’re gonna throw rock salt and stones all over that bare metal really getting rust and start quick here in Alberta, it’s not as bad. But you go a few provinces over to Ontario, they use a liquid salt, and you have about three years before your vehicle just starts rusting out horrifically.

Brad Rempel (46m 17s):

And so it’s like a rule around here that we never buy vehicles from Ontario.

Sean P. Holman (46m 21s):

Well, that’s like, we don’t buy any, we’re gonna be rested hours. We don’t buy any Midwest vehicles. Everybody loves, everybody loves to hate California until they’re looking for a used car. And they’re like, oh, there’s 30-year-old cars rolling around on the freeway in the streets here every day. And I’ve had friends come out and they’re like, dude, I haven’t seen one of those in 30 years. I saw four of ’em today. Well, we’ve

Lightning (46m 40s):

Had a lot of conversations about, you know, like, you got, you hang out with the C 10 guys, right? The C 10 Mecca is Arizona because it’s dry and warm. There’s no salt on the road or anything. And these cars are like preserved perfectly. It’s like Keith Richards. They’re just like, they, they never, they’ll never die.

Sean P. Holman (46m 58s):

Was that your attempt at a band reference?

Lightning (47m 0s):

Yes. Okay. Well

Sean P. Holman (47m 1s):

Done. Well, well done. Yeah, it

Brad Rempel (47m 2s):

Was pretty good. I mean, he’s tickled from the inside out. So, it makes sense why the guy’s still moving.

Sean P. Holman (47m 7s):


Lightning (47m 7s):

It’s the heroine, you know what I mean? I mean, he’s a good preservative.

Sean P. Holman (47m 9s):

Well, no, no, no. Allegedly. Allegedly.

Lightning (47m 11s):

No, don don’t think it’s allegedly. I think that’s

Sean P. Holman (47m 13s):

On the show. It is actually,

Lightning (47m 15s):


Brad Rempel (47m 15s):

Guys do that too, do you?

Sean P. Holman (47m 17s):


Lightning (47m 17s):

Do air quotes. You

Sean P. Holman (47m 18s):

Can’t see, we, we we’re also worried about somebody who’s the biggest suing us. So

Lightning (47m 24s):

So you buy Scorpion, which is, I don’t, I I’m not sure if I heard of

Sean P. Holman (47m 28s):

Scorpion. I heard, yeah, it’s like Bedliner material. Okay.

Lightning (47m 30s):

So is Scorpion just the one that you buy in like a gallon and you do it yourself or? Yeah. Okay. So there was a Linex Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (47m 37s):

A not like a Hercu liner or something like that.

Brad Rempel (47m 39s):

Yeah. A d Yeah. So this one’s a DIY. So I went and picked it up because I was gonna go do it to my own vehicle. And so I thought, okay, well I, I actually called up two of my friends ’cause I went back, like music had ended. I had gone back painting and drywalling and commercial coding right away because it was something that I could do to keep paying my bills. But as I was doing it, I was like, man, I really, I know I really need to do something else if I’d like to continue growing in life and not have to go industrial coating and, and be away from home all the time. And so I knew two guys that were begging me to spray their vehicles. And so I said, I’ll tell you what guys, you two, you go buy all this crap and I’ll spray your vehicles for free, but it’s about 8,000 bucks worth of stuff.

Brad Rempel (48m 22s):

But I was gonna go both of their Jeeps completely on the outside for quote unquote no money, but they sold four grand each, so a really good deal. So the guys went and they bought the stuff and I sprayed two complete different variances of what I wanted to try. And the first one did what bedliners always do it, it faded badly. It didn’t wash good and I couldn’t tin it very nicely. But the second one actually tinted red covered in two coats, kept its gloss levels and washed incredibly good. So I was like, okay, like I’m, I’m on the right path. So I took this stuff and I used about, you know, 30, 40% of it and then I, I added about 60% of my own crap. And so I was like, okay, here we go. And we started, I started just moving up in the world in chemicals.

Brad Rempel (49m 4s):

So using better and better chemicals, just versions of what I was putting in just better versions. And I got this now really good washing, high gloss textured liner. And I was like, okay, sweet. Right? Like This Is. Awesome.

Sean P. Holman (49m 18s):

Let me pause you right there. So as people are listening to this, if they have not seen it, I, I know people are probably thinking, oh, I remember back in the day where somebody linex a, a truck in a magazine or they rhino line something. And to your point, without the UV inhibitor, they chalk, they look bad, they retain dirt, they’re hard to clean. The texture is really at the mercy of whoever’s applying it. And it’s really heavy, although you get the, the benefit of your vehicle having less squeaks and rattles and being quieter overall when You coat it. And then there’s the however thick you put it on is up to the operator as well. Well, the difference with the body line, and once you get to that part of the story, I’m, I’m definitely curious about application and thickness and things like that.

Sean P. Holman (49m 59s):

But for those of you who are, who are listening to this, there’s actually three different textures that you do. There’s a high gloss that’s ultra smooth that looks really similar to paint, both in reflection, tone, smoothness. You’ve got a, a regular smooth and a textured So. it doesn’t look like a, a bedliner. And so that’s what I wanted to get in people’s minds as you’re telling the story and progressing here, that it’s not a chalky black rough sandpaper finish on like a SWAT bearcat or something like that. This Is. Something that is, you know, show quality that looks actually really nice.

Lightning (50m 37s):

Well when You go to team body liner dot com, they’ve got photos of a 2,500 HD in red and another one in white, and you’re looking at the side of The truck and you see a reflection of another truck in the paint,

Sean P. Holman (50m 51s):

You, you wouldn’t know it, it’s a liner versus paint in the photos unless they pointed it out.

Lightning (50m 55s):

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Where he’s like, This, Is, bedliner, you know, in, in with a bunch of question marks and showing that. So, but here’s what I want to get at Brad, before we get into the, in, into the applications and thicknesses and stuff that, that Holman was talking about. How in the world did you, did you have a chemistry background? Because I, you don’t just throw chemicals in

Sean P. Holman (51m 16s):

Or do you, I’m

Lightning (51m 17s):

Gonna put some paint thinner in, I’m gonna put this in. I’m like, what? I mean, did, did your grandfather work for DuPont? Like I am. How do you get there?

Brad Rempel (51m 25s):

So I’m either a genius or an idiot and I will soon discover which one of those two things. ’cause I do have 1000 failed formulations. So, it was a journey. Wow.

Sean P. Holman (51m 37s):

You know what that worries me to get, we only have 330 failed podcasts, so we have a long way to go. Yep.

Lightning (51m 43s):

Keep on going. Well they got w they got WD 40 after the 40th try. So

Sean P. Holman (51m 47s):

They did, they did This, Is, This Is called BL 1000 is his current formulation.

Brad Rempel (51m 53s):

Yeah, so, so the textured stuff that was easy to figure it out. So that I, I, I played with that because I came from the commercial coatings industry. I knew the family of poly chemistry that was involved with this stuff. And honestly as a kid growing up I really loved chemistry and physics. So I loved diving into that kind of stuff. And there wasn’t a lot of chemicals out there that were big in this industry. So there wasn’t a wide scope of chemicals to start with at the beginning. But I did look exactly like you were saying there, Sean, I did look into what is it that people complain about with Bedliner. You know, they say, well it doesn’t wash good, it doesn’t start clear so it’s not the right color all the way through and you can’t tint it Good.

Brad Rempel (52m 35s):

It’s not UV resistant. They’ll only give a one year, you know, warranty on UV and and painting. ’cause they just put a paint that’s on top and it’s not smooth. So I figured out how to stall almost all of those. Oh and it doesn’t wash good except for the smooth one, right? That that’s what was a royal paint in the ass, the texture I got fairly quick. So right away we had one of the best washing, highest gloss, best matching textured liners in the world. So that set us apart right away. And that was pretty quick that I got probably let’s say 15 different formulations of playing around with before that started to work. Then I had a guy tell me, ’cause I was working with an inventor down in the States that was making a clear version of liner, but it was really not nearly as strong.

Brad Rempel (53m 19s):

Like I’d say one 10th is strong. And I was spraying it on vehicles and there’s this one guy that, he was a farmer and he, I sprayed his flares and the inventor said it was supposed to be strong enough in two months. The farm of the flares were completely stripped bare plastic. And according to this chemist I was working with, I had to warranty this. And so I warranted it but I doubled it thickness. So I’m like, yeah that’s gonna be good now there’s no way this kid’s gonna pound through it two more months. He pounded through it completely ’cause he was doing, you know, 60 miles an hour down 20 miles of gravel. So he just wasn’t caring. Then I told him, man you need to go with my textured liner. It’s the only thing strong enough. And he is like, man, I told you I’m not gonna do it. I had some ideas on how to make this stuff smooth.

Brad Rempel (53m 59s):

And so I told him, I’ll tell you what, like I’m gonna spray something. And it was the most orange peele dog’s breakfast you’d ever seen in your life. It looked horrific. It was solvent poppy, it was orange peele. And it was as good as I could get it. I’d been trying to spray it for like four days. And so I called him down ’cause he is like, did you get that smooth? Because I told him I was gonna do it. And I said well come down like you gotta see it. And so he comes down and he goes, yeah do it. And I’m like really? Like, because if it was my truck, there’s Not a chance in hell. Like it did not look good enough to put on someone’s vehicle in my opinion. And he is like, well you think it’s gonna put up with a beating? I’m like, oh yeah, it’s super strong but that’s as good as I can get it to look. It wasn’t very high gloss, it was fairly solvent poppy, very orange peay.

Brad Rempel (54m 41s):

But he is like, do it. And so I did it. By the way, all four of his flare,

Sean P. Holman (54m 45s):

Those are all great Canadian bands. Orange peay. Yeah. And solvent poppy. Yeah. They open for each other on on occasion.

Lightning (54m 53s):

What I wanna know, Brad, is what makes that rough textured feel? What is in it? It’s not sand. Like what, what is the chemical makeup? Well, with

Sean P. Holman (55m 1s):

A traditional bedliner, it’s how you spray it. So you add texture ’cause it goes on smooth.

Lightning (55m 6s):

Wait a minute, but what is the texture? It’s not like if it were air it would just pop and it would be flat again. What is actually in those granules?

Brad Rempel (55m 14s):

Yeah, yeah. So you, you’re good, you’re good. Like, and exactly what you’re saying with traditional box liners, it’s in the texture in the sense of it sprays on really messy looking and gross kind of like what I was spraying. It’s, but I’m spraying a completely different chemical that does almost the exact same thing. That’s polyurea, which is like Linx rhino armor guard is polyurea. I’m using polyurethanes, a much slower reaction where the polyurea comes outta the end of the gun at 2,800 PSI and at about 79 degrees Celsius. So 120, 130 degrees Fahrenheit and it dries in about four seconds and then in about four minutes you can walk on it.

Brad Rempel (55m 54s):

My product dries in hours ’cause I had to slow everything down with retarders and do a lot to it. But what creates that texture is just the way the guys plays it with the gun. The way that I create my texture is a coagulant. So I add basically a water based product to a solvent baked mixture, which creates what you would call a bad reaction. It’s not something you chemistry would call good, but with a textured liner you can create texture and coagulate it. And now you create air pockets that kind of are like tons of rubber bands with air bubbles in them. And that’s what creates the texture within my product. So it’s incredibly, incredibly elasticy and incredibly, incredibly flexible. It can flex over 400% retaining color and look including the smooth.

Brad Rempel (56m 39s):

So that’s why I can do like coil springs and flexible plastic parts. So, and it can still maintain its look

Sean P. Holman (56m 46s):

On a, on a polyurethane, like you’re using part of it because the drying and curing process is so much slower. The reason you can get smooth is because it, it’s it it levels itself out. Right, right. Yeah. So it it’s has a chance to kind of flatten and lay out. Whereas like a, a polyurea to his point is, is dry almost instantly. And so like, so when You watch somebody

Lightning (57m 9s):

Polyurea as it’s shooting out of the gun, it’s basically hardening and sticking in in, that’s what’s making it rough. Like

Sean P. Holman (57m 16s):

It’s, well what makes it rough is the way that if you ever watch a Linx application, so our friend Marcel Venable used to own a Linx franchise. So I’ve shot things in Linex for fun and stuff like that. But when it goes on it’s just sort of rough. Or if you put move it really slow, you can get Linx to be goopy and glossy if you want it to. It just, it doesn’t look good but you can get it to be kind of smooth. But what it is, is you do the first coat and then you lay it over and the way you flick the gun from the air is you’re creating droplets that land and as they land and dry, that’s your texture. Ah, okay. And so that’s like on the bedliner side

Brad Rempel (57m 48s):

A hundred percent. And that’s where with us we use a special texture gun. It’s a big hopper style gun. If you’ve ever seen the guns that guys like stipple ceilings with, it’s almost the exact same type of gun and So, it literally comes out going like really bubbly and texty and, and then because we, there’s a coagulant in there, it comes out in larger and smaller globs and you can kind of glob it all together. So one of the biggest keys actually that we were able to make it smooth ’cause I’m not taking and really changing the texture more than I’m changing the way that it’s sprayed completely. So I joined up with welcome spray gun out of Italy. They’re one of the world’s premier makers of like really lightweight, high-end carbon fiber spray guns, paint guns for paint industry.

Brad Rempel (58m 29s):

And I told ’em, hey like I’ve got this idea because I knew that I was taking different types of paint guns made for completely different things and figuring out how to restrict the flow rate. And instead of having like a flow rate of 20% liquid to 80% air, which the average HVLP spray gun would, I wanted something that had 92% air, 8% liquid. So by the parts per million principle, my droplets could become 10 times smaller. And so then if I could have a gun instead of maxing out at 32 PSI, which the average paint gun does, if I could be up at like 50 and 60, then I could technically atomize this product, slam it into the panel and make it smooth.

Brad Rempel (59m 12s):

And so This Is my theory and actually with welcome spray gun outta Italy, we did, we made prototypes, we got them all done and it was miraculous what we saw. I was taking other people’s guns and kind of doctoring them to try to make this thing that would spray this product. Not textured but smooth. But now working with Wellcome was one of the biggest things that really helped our product. Plus different types of chemicals that I found to use that were dried at different specific viscosities, if that makes sense. The thickness of a a material and the way that the surface tension can hold itself. I found a way to kind of insert what you would call kind of like silicone but not silicone and make the top flow while still having the ability to hold itself in place and have vertical hang.

Brad Rempel (59m 57s):

So I can add like 15 mils of product in, in a coat. And that’s something that’s like, that’s like 10 times, well not 10 times. The average paint job has like four mils so you’re like five times thicker than paint. But if you tried to do this with paint, like it would just run horrifically So. it was a big balance of chemicals that the world said you actually couldn’t put together. And I found a binder that made all these things go together. But it wasn’t until so many failures, I had three managers quit on me. I had staff that was so bitter against me ’cause they just watched me lose money ’cause I was just pouring all this money into this thing that they thought I was just a crazy dude that wanted to make this thing that could never be done.

Brad Rempel (1h 0m 38s):

But I had the world knocking on my door seeing a garbage version of it. So I was like man, if I could do it, it’s gonna be awesome.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 44s):

I’m kind of curious when you’re talking about the thickness because as new vehicles march on the door panel gaps and things like that, I think GM famously advertised a few mills or 10 mills or something like that on like the GMT 900 trucks as being really consistent and really tight. So now you have to worry about when You have those types of gaps or fitment of you know, your pole door handles or just the way body pieces are coming together. You have to make sure doors can open and door handles can pull and that you’re not chipping the fender on the leading edge of the door. How much of a problem is that for when you’re, when you’re spraying these vehicles?

Brad Rempel (1h 1m 25s):

So a huge product problem for bedliner zero problem for body liner because of the way it’s sprayed out of HVLP guns, the way that the air flows if you’re taking a door off and spraying it now as a painter you wanna be conscious of the edge and how much you’re putting build on it because you could end up building too much on both the fender and the door if you’re spraying everything off the vehicle. But on the vehicle, if you take and you put a piece of plastic or tape right behind that edge, which you’re going to, so that way you don’t have mist traveling into the door jamb if you’re just doing the outside of a vehicle, the vortex that’s created has about a three to four mil build on that edge. So you get builded exactly where you need, but in the contact points you don’t So it works out perfectly ’cause we’re spraying from an HVLP format whereas all other liners are sprayed out of either an airless gun that just lays it on holy crap thick or they’re spraying it out of a hopper style gun that again pushes air so hard that it builds too much everywhere.

Brad Rempel (1h 2m 21s):

So I knew that just the, the aerodynamics behind the way the paint works was gonna be great for what we have going here and it, and it works perfectly. So we, we have zero issues you can do rear bumpers when we do bumpers they come off vehicle, get completely encapsuled, all moldings, go back on all sensors, clip back in. There’s a little bit of consciousness of course behind the painter and the guy that’s doing the application, but most of it doesn’t need much conscious thought.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 48s):

Now you say that you have the ability to spray chrome and it sticks without any, is it without any prep or how do you get it? ’cause one of your things that you talk about on, on team body liner dot com is the ability to basically drom your vehicle with this product.

Brad Rempel (1h 3m 5s):

Right? So we got two different ways to do it. If somebody doesn’t wanna take a product that I actually just released that we’ll talk about in a second, so I’ll go the first way. So you have to sand it, you gotta get just a mechanical vision adhesion in that thing. Sand or sandblast. If it’s a front bumper you can sandblast and you can put a good etch in it. I invented a primer that fills a medium sandblast profile in one coat. And so the primer that we can put on fills it so you can finish ultra smooth while still starting with a medium sandblast profile. But if you go with those chrome grills, chrome door handles, if you touch that with a sandblaster that chrome just starts to peel and now you have a horrific mess because the plastic underneath is much weaker than the chrome that’s on top. So if you blast through that chrome yeah, which you’re almost guaranteed to with a sandblaster, now you’re putting big holes in the plastic.

Brad Rempel (1h 3m 49s):

So guys with sand it by hand, you would literally take 80 grit sandpaper and you’d sand it by hand. ’cause if you sand it with a dual action sander or a high speed grinder, as soon as you get over 200 degrees Fahrenheit, it delaminates and you don’t know it until you put a black coating on it. It sits in the sun for two years and all of a sudden you have all these sharp points coming up. I’m sure you guys have seen it on chrome where the, the chrome is lifting and, but it’s lifting almost sharp like kind of like a shark fin is starting to come up outta the chrome that won’t show its ugly head for a while. So when I first started doing it, I was sanding with das and I had a few vehicles started doing that and I realized like there’s no way my liner’s lifting like sharp cut it open, I realized the chrome was lifting.

Brad Rempel (1h 4m 32s):

I’m like okay, we gotta move to sanding this by hand. And then I developed a primer that would etch into it really, really, really good. And so that was what we did the primer because it etches into it and because of the family chemicals I built the primer. So I built the liner. They all actually burned into each other and emulsify to become one. So you have zero chance of delamination. So once that primer bites into that mechanical stick, now you take and you put a liner on top of it that burns into that primer. So you got zero chance of delamination. So you got perfect stick. But when I started teaching people to spray liner, ’cause my business got so busy I couldn’t keep up. I started teaching people and I had Hannah from lucky 13 autobody tell me, Hey I know how to get that chrome off by leaving it in the bath overnight.

Brad Rempel (1h 5m 19s):

And I was like, you’re full of crap. Like there’s no way the world wants this. And she’s like, no I do. Let’s talk. And so being a chemical distributor, I talked with her and now we have a product called Chrome delete. So I throw everything in a fish tank that’s chrome. I pull it out in the morning, it’s completely bare plastic. My primer fills a medium sandblast profile in one coat. So that honey chrome Denali grill that I used to to take in tapes, sand paper and pencils and spend 12 hours doing,

Lightning (1h 5m 48s):

Oh the Denali grills the worst. Oh yeah

Brad Rempel (1h 5m 51s):

Dude you’re like, those things were the worst to wrap or the worst to prep. So I throw ’em in a fish tank overnight, I pull ’em out, they’re bare plastic, I feel I can fill a medium sandblast profile in one coat with my primer. So I sandblast that sucker giving myself incredible mechanical adhesion, put a primer on it, put my liner on it, it burns into my primer. And by the way, that primer actually stays open for seven days. So for the applicator it’s beautiful because I can prime something, I can go home for the long weekend. I can put liner on something when I come back. And that’s almost unheard of for primers. Usually you have like a four hour to eight hour window to put top coat on top or you have to sand it again for mechanical adhesion.

Brad Rempel (1h 6m 31s):

So it’s an applicator’s dream when it comes to that kind of stuff.

Lightning (1h 6m 36s):

So what did she do with, did, did she patent this formula or is it proprietary like Coca-Cola and is did, is she selling it to paint shops all over the country or what, what’s she doing with it?

Brad Rempel (1h 6m 46s):

Yeah, so what we did with that is I, I went and I found the chemical recipes. I went and went to my manufacturers manufactured on a mass level. And so we just as right before SEMA 2023, KASIMA 2022 is the first year we bought liner to SEMA and the product’s eight years old now, well nine years actually. This Is August, she brought it to me, we manufactured it, we released it just before sema. We actually won awards for it at the new product showcase in 2023 for our Chrome delete. And now we are manufacturing it. We have just started to sell it. And actually I’ve got a meeting with Global Autobody, one of a larger autobody supply shops and I’m talking with them about carrying the product next week.

Brad Rempel (1h 7m 28s):

So we’re just launching that product and it works so nice. Like the auto body industry is gonna crap their pants, I swear because it removes Chrome Man. It’s beautiful.

Lightning (1h 7m 38s):

How, how does it work? I know you well. Well first you crap your pants don don’t wanna Oh that. Oh you do that after? That’s after. Got it. Got it. You crumbly? Yes. Can you tell us how it works without explaining, without giving away the trade secret of the chemicals. Is it like acid?

Brad Rempel (1h 7m 53s):

Yeah, I can for sure. So yeah, so it’s like an acid and So it, it literally can only eat metal organics. So once it makes it to the plastic, there’s nothing for it to attack. Right. And it won’t even touch like you could, you don’t want to but like you can put your hands into it. You, you like, it’s not gonna hurt your hands, it’s gonna stain your hands ’cause it’s, it’s gross dark material but it’s very inert like water instantly kills this product. So you just pull the plastic out. I accidentally left the grill in there once for two and a half weeks ’cause it was just one of my buddy’s grills who asked me to strip it and the crow was off in 12 hours. Plastic was completely untouched for that, you know, weeks that it was sitting in there.

Brad Rempel (1h 8m 35s):

So it only eats metal. But that’s also when I saw it to guys. I had a guy take pictures. He is like just about to dump in the chrome to eat. He shows me a freaking metal horse trough. He’s about to put it in. I’m like, bro, no, no. Like what are you doing? You’re gonna show up back to your shop tomorrow morning and it’s gonna be a mess ’cause it eats metal. And so that, that’s exactly what it does. It’s, it does a beautiful job of it and it lasts about six and a half to seven months before it starts taking two days to strip. So like you can strip a new piece in it every single day for six months plus. So I have a night crew now, something that my guys used to do all day long now they get all the chrome pieces off a truck, we’d throw it in the fish tank overnight.

Brad Rempel (1h 9m 16s):

We pull ’em out, blast them in the morning. Something that used to take 12 to 27 hours of prep now takes 20 minutes to one hour. And so we, we save huge amounts of labor and that’s a always a shops number one cost. Wow.

Lightning (1h 9m 29s):

Do you have to bathe the part like a bumper in a big trough or can you paint it on? Are

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 33s):

Are you asking can he do it or are you asking can you do it, can it be done? Because I see it in your eyes. I see you the wheels turning on all the, all the things in your one car garage that you could dump in a tank and remove the Chromebook and get rid of the Chrome. I can see, I already see it happening. What’s gonna happen

Lightning (1h 9m 47s):

Though when every, when Chrome comes back around, when everyone’s deleted all the Chrome on all, then

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 52s):

He’ll have a Rech chromer kit and then you dump it right back in a tank and reverse the process.

Brad Rempel (1h 9m 56s):

The re Yeah the re chroming services services will be so happy ’cause it it’s an industry that’s really died out because it’s a nasty, like putting real chrome on is real nasty. It’s, it’s, it’s nasty chemicals. Thankfully the chemicals to take it off are nothing compared to the chemicals that have to put it on. I mean dude, but when it comes to real chrome,

Lightning (1h 10m 15s):

Try to open a Chrome shop anywhere in the, in, you know, in the lower 48 or like you can’t get a license anymore to do two. There’s like no new chrome shops in California at all. You have to go outta state to get really good thick show Chrome and all that stuff. Texas, Arizona, California, forget it sucks. Like they’re just the, not osha what’s the other, is it A-Q-M-U-A-M-D? Yeah. Oh man. They do not want it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 39s):

Air Quality Management District. Yeah.

Lightning (1h 10m 41s):

Congratulations by the way on the Chrome delete.

Brad Rempel (1h 10m 44s):

Thanks buddy.

Lightning (1h 10m 45s):

How, how does someone access this right now? Like where can they go to get the Chrome delete and I wanna loop back to the body liner.

Brad Rempel (1h 10m 51s):

Okay, sounds good. Well Chrome delete team body liner dot com slash e dash store. So you can just check it out on there. Or if they go to body liner on Facebook or Alberta Boy is custom on Facebook, you’ll find it right away. You’ll find all of our videos and pictures and links to all that kind of stuff. So if they just type chrome delete into Google, it’s the first thing that pops up.

Lightning (1h 11m 12s):

Okay. And so again, are there, you’re working on distribution right now. If I wanted to use that today I’m going to your website. Am I buying the chemical and and putting it at a fish tank or am I calling up a local paint shop? Correct. Okay. I am, I’m doing it myself.

Brad Rempel (1h 11m 28s):

Yep. Yeah, you’re doing it yourself. There’s dec chroming services just starting. I just had a guy call me and actually he just bought the website, the letter D and then word chrome. ’cause he, he can’t believe that this exists and he is like, well I’m starting a chrome stripping service. ’cause you do have to have a lot of the chemical to do bath like a bumper. Like you’re gonna need like eight grand worth of a chemical to bath, a full bumper. But when you’re doing grills and stuff like that, you’re only gonna need anywhere from, well depending on how creative you wanna get with a container and what you’re doing. If you’re not body shop, fill up a fish tank, right? Like, but if you’re not an autobody shop and you just wanna buy one gallon of it for 130 bucks, well that just over one gallon, it’s gonna do your badges, it’s gonna do a whole bunch of small things, but you’ll probably need a little more and get creative with a grill because it needs to bathe.

Brad Rempel (1h 12m 14s):

And so it’s not, you know, really the cheapest chemical in the world. If you wanna bathe a bumper, not to mention bumpers and rims, we can’t forget that the metal underneath them is still an alloy. So you’re gonna wanna pull that bumper out at the right time. ’cause if you go to pull it out in about four weeks, you’re not pulling out anything. It’s gone.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 32s):

Could you imagine, you’re like, man, where did I put that bumper? And about a month later you go, oh well you know what,

Lightning (1h 12m 38s):

It’s, it’s kind of like, it’s kind of like when You killed that guy and you put his bones and you with a bunch of lie. No, no. And the lie finally just ate all the way through the bones.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 46s):

No, no that didn’t happen. Yes it did. Allegedly.

Brad Rempel (1h 12m 49s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 50s):

Are you sure it’s not allegedly? Are you sure it’s not Lyme? I think it’s Lime.

Lightning (1h 12m 54s):

I think that happened to one of the, the Universal records execs back in the day.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 57s):

Is that what you think? Buried somewhere in Alberta.

Lightning (1h 12m 59s):

Allegedly getting, getting back to the body liner. Brad, let’s talk about its flexibility. Polyurethane, we all know is a, a more flexible material. How flexible is this? Can I put it on bumpers that do flex? Will it crack over time? Where do the applications stop?

Brad Rempel (1h 13m 19s):

Yeah, so right now I’ve even got an f fda a approved food grade certified. But let me answer the, the flexibility questions first. So when it comes to flexibility, we’ve had guys mess up their bumpers, just crinkle them and the body liner crinkles with it. I’ve had guys with plastic bumpers get in accidents. The the other guy’s plastic bumpers, all the paint went flying off. And ours, he polished off the scuff mark and because it, it went all the way in, all the way out because it flexes 400%. So if you go look at a video that I did with DM Max Rhino, if you ever heard of DM Max Rhino, actually he’s outta California.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 52s):

He’s been on our show. We’ve had him

Lightning (1h 13m 53s):

On the show. He’s a good friend. I love Ryan.

Brad Rempel (1h 13m 55s):

Yeah, awesome. Yeah, so Ryan was down in our booth and he was recording the video. So if you go watch it, like you’ll feed me there holding a fender flare and I hold one end of it perfectly still and I grab the other end and I do a complete 360 with it and I unex it and it still looks like perfect pearl white paint. And so it’s incredibly flexible. We have yet to find something like if it’s something like a, you know, completely bends in half, well then eventually you’re gonna, you’re gonna crack it for sure.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 22s):

Hey, hey Lightning.

Brad Rempel (1h 14m 23s):

But when it comes to coil springs, you know, rear leaf springs, stuff like that, you never have to worry about those things moving around and anything happening.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 32s):

You know what that reminds me of? What’s that being the opposite of the time I hit that metal panel at that guy who has the spaceship company who builds cars and I dented it when he said it couldn’t be dented and I hit it with a hammer. Reminds me of that

Lightning (1h 14m 45s):

Don don’t think Brad knows about

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 47s):

That. It’s the, it’s the opposite of that.

Lightning (1h 14m 48s):

The schmeer schmuck.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 50s):

If that had had been body lined, I think maybe it wouldn’t have caused the pro the situation that arose.

Lightning (1h 14m 59s):

I wonder, Brad, I mean have you reached out to Tesla? Not that that was Tesla that that Holman was talking about? No, no. ’cause why would he have no done that to a

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 9s):

Cyber truck? Why, why? Well not, I didn’t do it to a cyber truck in

Lightning (1h 15m 12s):

One when he was there at a media only. No, no. And he had to sign an NDA No. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 17s):

Then no I was not there when, when the very brilliant man handed me a hammer and said, this can’t be dented. And then the material of future thing changed after that.

Lightning (1h 15m 27s):

After when it was mean, I would So nope, I’m sorry. Nope. You’ll

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 31s):

You’ll bleep that out. You

Lightning (1h 15m 33s):

Bleep that out. Really? Do I have to bleep that out? Yeah, I think

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 35s):

So that’s, see here’s the, here’s the problem. That’s bull. No, here’s the problem. I am giving the hints and and teasing and then you say the thing you’re not supposed to say and then that that ruins the thing and then makes it so this thing can’t happen anymore.

Lightning (1h 15m 49s):

Okay. Brad, have you reached out to MLA? Because No, you can.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 53s):

You can say it can. Yeah because you’re talking about I wasn’t, what I did was different

Lightning (1h 15m 58s):

Because you know, we’ve already heard about that they’re rusting, we know they’re not actually rusting through anything like that. It’s just like the surface, very light surface rust may be caused by the, the train tracks, you know, and the dust that’s running rail, dust running on it, the rail dust, things like that. But anyway guys are, hell Tesla is offering wraps right outta the factory.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 17s):

And have you seen how many people are wrapping those things? Oh all of ’em. I saw a flat black one in Beverly Hills last night.

Lightning (1h 16m 24s):

Green, I’ve seen Army Green. Yep. I’ve seen there’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 26s):

The, that one that our, that our buddy Justin just had pictures of. It was like, it’s like a weird marooning Magento red.

Lightning (1h 16m 34s):

I’ve seen like camo prints, like they’re doing ’em all. But I, this feels like a perfect product for that truck.

Brad Rempel (1h 16m 41s):

Yeah, so, so Tesla actually they’ve been having horrible issues not only with what you’re talking about but their paint on their cars. So that’s why those cars are always also getting wrapped because they use such an EPA friendly paint, one of the world’s most friendly ecos safe paints that there is, which means it’s crap unfortunately. And so the, their vehicles are chipping so bad. You’re not the first persons to ask me if we’ve reached out to them. We have not yet. But actually I was at an artificial intelligence conference just a few weeks ago and one of the guys that was there is connected with them and he is like, well you should really talk with them ’cause they’re having horrible issues with their paint chipping. So I haven’t reached out to them but believe it or not, I, I might in the future.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 22s):


Brad Rempel (1h 17m 23s):

We actually are releasing sim, the world’s strongest automotive paint ’cause we’ve now taken this bedliner technology and put it in paint because we’ve realized paint needs to be stronger. But that’s a whole nother story. So guys, sorry keep going.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 34s):

Well okay so you were talking about it being clear, right? But you can tint it. So is the paint underneath showing through the product and how do you get the gloss? How do you care for it? How is it glossy?

Brad Rempel (1h 17m 45s):

So no, the paint underneath does not show, it starts clear but an activator I have to use makes it opaque.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 51s):

Like Elmer Blue or something like that.

Brad Rempel (1h 17m 53s):

The right color? Yes, very much so. So you have to tint it the right color. And the one thing that didn’t exist was tint. Pigments strong enough to be able to do this. And I really needed some special tint pigments ’cause I knew that I could attach certain chemicals to tints that I could insert into the product and if it wasn’t attached to the tint I couldn’t attach it to the product. So we actually did make our own tint wall with a manufacturer here out of Alberta called Endura Manufacturing. They’re one of the world’s strongest aeronautic marine and industrial paints. And we knew that like we just needed something way stronger but I needed to be able to make it UV resistant and glossy. So we developed our own tint.

Brad Rempel (1h 18m 33s):

Well also we actually have like our own recipes to tint all this kind of stuff. And that that’s the paint is also about to be released our, our paint body liner ultra. But the pin wall we developed now took some of the abilities from ceramic coating and we inserted it into our tint bases and paint and ceramic coating hate each other because it’s, it’s basically a, a type of silicone ceramic nano and then paint and paint and silicone really hate each other. Silicone is almost anti-pain if you could call it that. And we figured out how to have those things infused with each other while drawing to the surface by inserting it into our product while maintaining flexibility because we removed short chain molecule tech and inserted long chain molecule to make that make sense.

Brad Rempel (1h 19m 17s):

’cause This Is getting deep, if you have a wave graph with one wave in it, that’s regular paint and if you stretch it 20% the wave goes flat. So as soon as it stretches anymore it breaks. If we add a couple drops of flex agent, ’cause that’s what traditional autobody shops do for plastic bumpers. So that way when they’re moving they don’t crack. You added two more chemical bronze on the end. So we added an extra wave because it went down and up one more time. And so we can stretch it 40% before it splits and cracks. My product because of the different chemicals I’ve inserted in it is a 32 chain chemical bronze So. it goes up and down 32 times So, it can stretch and pull 400% while maintaining that flexibility. And the color is built into the molecule that bonds across all 32 chains.

Brad Rempel (1h 20m 1s):

And so now we keep our color so regularly plastic feed stretch it, it goes, it goes white and it was black before and now it never goes back. But the chemical that is responsible for the color goes across all the bronze So. it stays black.

Lightning (1h 20m 16s):

How did you get, I know it’s getting deep boys. No, no we like it. We love it, we love it. So my question is when You were working with tints, how many tints wouldn’t work with the existing chemicals? Because you had the stretch factor, you had the durability, you had everything but you, you were having difficulty with the pigment. What was happening with the pigments when they weren’t working? Like what were you rejecting? Either

Brad Rempel (1h 20m 40s):

It was too opaque and just wasn’t strong enough because the company used so much filler in it that instead of being like resin heavy, it was filler heavy just so that way they could kind of float the paint in other things that all evaporate out. And so I needed something that was resin heavy. But the one thing that didn’t exist across all of the tents across the world was anything that you UV resistant and would keep its gloss levels. Even the current company that we work with, they’re a single stage pigment. There is no single stage pigment in the world that stays UV resistant and is washable over a long period of time. So that was why we had to go to the drawing board and find a manufacturer and there’s only one manufacturer of polyurethane stuff in Alberta So.

Brad Rempel (1h 21m 22s):

it wasn’t a wide scope that I had to jump in bed with but it just so happens that like they’re awesome people with great quality products and they were really willing to work with me So, it was so awesome. They’re big enough that they have all the equipment but small enough that I get to talk to the president. And so actually when I walked in there, the chief operating officer looked up my music, loved my band. He’s a huge metalhead even though dude’s in his late sixties, his name’s Curtis, you’re an awesome dude And he is like, ah man I’ve been following your stuff. First thing he says to me when I walk in the door, This Is a business meeting and he goes how is touring with Rob Zombie? I was like, oh this like the door opened boys.

Brad Rempel (1h 22m 4s):

It was very nice. The guys were awesome and then we were able to manufacture what we needed.

Lightning (1h 22m 9s):

What makes the pigment UV resistant?

Brad Rempel (1h 22m 12s):

Two factors. One physical. So every single stage pigment in the world that exists has a certain pigment load and a and a particulate size So. it actually goes into a giant ceramic ball mixer. You pour powder in it and there’s resin in there that the powder mixes with and you keep it in the ceramic ball mixer for as long as you want the pigment particulate size to be. The longer it gets mixed and mashed between a whole bunch of ceramic balls. The smaller the particulate. So if you just leave it in there 10 times longer than every other paint in the world, there is 10 times the particles for the paint the sun to beat up and So it just costs money, right?

Brad Rempel (1h 22m 54s):

Something no one else is willing to do is put your, put your stuff in a ceramic ball mixer for you know, a week instead of a day. So that alone does 80% of it and then the other percent of it is a bit of a secret that I just can’t really talk too much about.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 9s):

I bet if we applied him with some apple crown royal, he’d open up a lot of it.

Brad Rempel (1h 23m 16s):

Yeah, well we’re pretty far away boys. We’re pretty far away.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 20s):

All right. Question for you, how does it compare to a typical getting up your vehicle completely coated in PPF? So that’s sort of the, the protection that everybody’s going after and the technology on the PPF side. We’ve talked to Expel and we both have it on our our vehicles and have been really impressed with it. But it’s not a inexpensive process. You’re talking about essentially repainting the entire vehicle all over again. Maybe with less prep but but still doing that if somebody’s looking at your product versus like A PPF, obviously there’s gonna be some pluses and minuses. I’m sure yours will outlast the film, which has typically has eight to 10 year warranties on it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 0s):

What are some of the other advantages and what’s the difference in cost?

Brad Rempel (1h 24m 3s):

Yeah, so it’s gonna be more on cost because it’s more like painting your vehicle for sure. So usually guys are only doing their high impact zones, you know, compared to PPFA lot stronger. We remove a lot of PPF and put this on some, some PPF artists are also fantastic and now they can wrap around the edges but if you get PPF from dealerships and their pre-cut stuff, all your edges are still exposed. So there’s a very first advantage it’s, it completely wraps around all edges and completely protects the vehicle. When it comes to strength difference, there isn’t a a really comparison like you’re gonna be a minimum 10 times stronger than a PPF but probably quite a bit more and you’re not worried about maintenance.

Brad Rempel (1h 24m 44s):

Most people don’t understand PPF is actually supposed to be waxed every three months. Unless you get a top coated product, then you’re just supposed to every year give it a polish and then a a rewax or ceramic coating put on top. But most people don’t like to tell you about the maintenance you have to do to it. Where our product is a zero maintenance product and then the ability to take and color match your chrome. So you have an XLT but you wanna make it look like a limited, I have the only product in the world that’s gonna do that and stick to your chrome and not chip really bad. So the advantages are very different but the cost is also quite a bit more like if you’re gonna hold PPF your whole vehicle, maybe you know on a full truck you’re probably looking at the $7,000 mark Canadian so you know $5,000 and well $1 Canadian and yeah our dollar difference right now is just ridiculous you guys.

Brad Rempel (1h 25m 31s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 32s):

Stupid. Yeah

Brad Rempel (1h 25m 32s):

Are doing a lot better than we are here but you’re gonna be sitting, you know, probably double the cost to go with a complete version of our product compared to A PPF So. it is cheaper, that’s for sure. But I have quite a bit of clients that go get PPF ’cause a brand new truck is sitting a hundred thousand dollars plus these days and then they don’t do it again on their brand new trucks ever again. If they get a new truck every couple years, like oil field clientele, farmers, once they have our product, once they never go back. They always just buy The truck, we truck, we get lots of vehicles come straight from the dealership into our shops and then you just coat them and the resale value is higher because now you don’t have to try to take PPF off and do paint touchups because I’m sure you’ve seen PPF, you still get chips that go through and on our body liner if you’re gonna actually have something that exposed metal it’s dented too.

Brad Rempel (1h 26m 23s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 24s):

It went through and took out the car behind it. So it

Lightning (1h 26m 26s):

Really is that durable that I, I’ve got, you know, the, the big rig in front of me kicks up a stone the size of a a, a quarter and hits it. It bounces off like it’s not going through the body liner. It’s that resilient. So, so,

Brad Rempel (1h 26m 40s):

So that would depend a little bit. It it, it could leave an impact mark and scar the surface. So now you can take and you make a touch up, you know, and some guys, if they’re daily gravel drivers, we, we recommend a a mixture of both ’cause my textured is still twice as strong as my smooth textured can basically drag across a tree while you’re four by four your mirror breaks off and you know, you wash it off and maybe polish a little spot. But lots of times you don’t even have to polish a little spot. You know the, the vehicle can get dented and you’re not damaging textured smooth because it’s so smooth and you have completely flat surface area. You could leave a scar on the surface or you could, if the rock is sharp and pointy and spinning, you’d maybe tear the surface a little bit but you’re not exposing the substrate and getting rust coming now you can just take and do a little touch up and you’re good to go.

Brad Rempel (1h 27m 29s):

So, so I don’t wanna make it sound like it’s bulletproof ’cause it’s not that’s for sure. you can still damage it but it’s one of the hardest smooth coatings in the world to damage.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 37s):

So how hard is touchup if you have a custom color on there and you’ve gotten the smooth. And then the other question I have is, what about swirls and scratches from tree branches or brush for the off-road crowd?

Brad Rempel (1h 27m 50s):

Yeah, so if a guy’s got like a bush buggy that he’s pushing trail the whole time, I tell ’em to go textured because it’s invincible in the, in the term of scratches. Like my own personal truck is fully textured because that was what you first invented. So my first, my truck got completely coated, my glass is scratched on my windows and my truck isn’t, there’s been multiple times where I thought This Is it, it’s messed up. Like I finally messed up The truck and I go to the car wash and I pressure wash almost absolutely everything off. Maybe polish one or two little spots and get rid of it. Now when it comes to smooth, if you’re pushing Bush like that, you’re gonna eventually leave trail marks on it. But we just invented a new version that we’ve actually been testing for over three and a half years now, but it’s called show liner.

Brad Rempel (1h 28m 33s):

So we released a clear coat made out of this technology that can actually be used as a clear coat. But if you put it on top of our liner wet on wet again it has that same emulsification property, it pulls on the 400% flexibility. So you have a clear coat that can take impacts without ever cracking. And now if you leave marks on that you can polish that back up. Now it’s gonna polish hard. You’re gonna have to go to the old school polishing ways of a rotary, a wool pad and three M’S number one, which is basically liquid sand because it’s so strong. But now you have something that could look like a hot rod, go push bush with it, polish it if you messed anything up.

Brad Rempel (1h 29m 13s):

But it’s still gonna be more than, you know, a hundred times more resilient than paint ever would be and you’re now gonna be able to polish it back up. So we’ve been developing more and more as the company’s been growing. I really should have kept some of this money and paid off debt. But instead I just keep making new products because This Is a lot of

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 29s):

Fun. Listen debt debt is awesome

Lightning (1h 29m 32s):

If, if our listeners want to have their trucks coded there, you do have a spot on team body liner dot com where you can go by by state California, Illinois, Indiana, et cetera. But there aren’t that many yet. There’s like one per state down here. Is that gonna be growing? Are you looking for applicators?

Brad Rempel (1h 29m 59s):

100% but I’m picky. I have had over 3000 people apply and I’ve, I’ve let in less than a hundred. I really want this to go to people that are gonna do a good job. And the auto body industry is riddled with people that like to cut corners and it’s mainly because the insurance industry has taken over and they give them so little money per job that it, like you have to pound it out so fast and if you don’t pound it out so fast you’re not gonna make any money. So we’ve seen a huge influx in work done to bare minimum specs so that way you can get it out the door. And I’m not trying to pick on shops ’cause I completely understand what they’re going through, but I really wanna make sure the customer service and quality are high.

Brad Rempel (1h 30m 42s):

So I am looking for more shops for sure, but I interview them. I actually had software made, one of my business coaches made me some software. I have people come in, I first go check them out, I go to their Facebook, I go to Instagram, I check reviews, I contact people that are left reviews, find out what it’s like dealing with this company, So it, it is gonna be a slow growth. And that’s completely on purpose because we have a product that is standalone. There is no coating that looks like this, that has these gloss levels. But is this washable? Like it’s still washable. I’ve now got an FDA approved food grade certified and we’re using it in medical facilities ’cause it goes directly on wood. Directly on concrete. It goes on plastic.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 20s):

So what I’m hearing

Brad Rempel (1h 31m 20s):

With steel aluminum,

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 22s):

I’m hearing that when

Lightning (1h 31m 23s):

You, you’re gonna cook the pot yet in it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 24s):

Well no, but that’s interesting. Wonder if it has a sound in your properties. No, what I’m hearing is when You go hunting and you’re out, you know, cleaning your deer, you can do it right on the hood.

Brad Rempel (1h 31m 34s):

There you go. A hundred percent. That’s it. Not gonna, we’re not gonna ruin nothing.

Lightning (1h 31m 39s):

Wow. Very cool. How many vehicles to your knowledge have been painted, I should say coated in Body liner?

Brad Rempel (1h 31m 47s):

Oh, we’re gonna be like, I would think a couple thousand at least. Like I’ve been spraying it for nine years at our shop at probably, you know, 150 plus trucks a year. And then now there’s 40 other shops spraying it. And so for the past three years there’s been, you know, for the first year I did a trial of 10 shops. Second year we had 30, now we have over 45. And so I would think a couple thousand vehicles minimum. But right now what we just had happen is all of our products, including our paint, are now down in New Zealand, the biggest paint company and biggest collaborative of autobody shops, 100 repair shops pulled in our product. So actually I anticipate by the end of next year, New Zealand being one of the bur biggest purchasers in the world of Body liner products until some companies that I can’t talk about until a couple more months from now in the United States that have pulled on our product as some of the world’s first manufacturers we’re gonna have in the very near future.

Brad Rempel (1h 32m 44s):

I’ll be able to mention who those are and that might tip the scales to the American side that we have a, we have some exciting things coming down the tubes. ’cause people have started to realize that This Is real. The first year I was at SEMA when I was doing it and I told guys that that was Bedliner, everyone looked at me, said bullshit straight to my face. And most people just wouldn’t even believe it. And then now the second year we were at sema, people are like, Hey, you’re back. Like, I thought this was all smoke and mirrors. I’m like, no, man. Like now we’re in, you know, three countries and we have all these shops spraying it. Like now it’s medically approved and, and we’re making our own paint. We’ve really, really started a new era of, well, took an old era of the coatings industry.

Brad Rempel (1h 33m 25s):

Are you sure it’s not everything has turned water based? Are

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 28s):

You sure it’s not four countries? Because it’s, it isn’t Ontario, it’s home country.

Brad Rempel (1h 33m 32s):

Country country. You know what, yeah, say with Quebec,

Lightning (1h 33m 38s):

You’ve got a limited selection of, of guys down here in the states, you know, one or two per state. It’s, it’s kind of a commitment to go find where of these, like I look up California and it’s Shingles Springs and, and, and Holden Collision. I, I don’t the five three area code, wherever that is. I, I’m trying to think of like, how motivated do I need to be to go find this guy. Like I’m, I’m excited for you to get into shops all over the country. I just realized that you’re up against a bunch of shoddy workmanship and all these crappy body shops that aren’t gonna do your product justice. It’s a, it’s a tough predicament. You’re in, you, you’ve got, you wanna get to the market and share it with everyone, but boy, you, you’re relying on this network of guys that maybe not, aren’t, not, aren’t as good as they should be, or people that

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 24s):

Aren’t as invested in the outcome as you.

Brad Rempel (1h 34m 27s):

Yeah. And This Is where we actually, we need your clients. So the people that are listening right now and they think, man, I know a body shop that’s great. Like the number one thing that they could do is go approach that body shop and tell them, hey, check this out. Right now we’re doing a, a national marketing campaign. So I do, I spend thousands of dollars every month advertising in Canada, in the United States that we have training centers. I have two training centers in Canada, two training centers in the United States. It’s not expensive for shops to join. They wanna join. It’s only 7,500 bucks and I give you enough material to do $16,000 worth of work. But you gotta come to one of our training centers and get trained because it, it sprays unlike any other paint in the world because it’s not paint and it’s not bedliner. So you gotta come in for training so that we can show you how to do it So it is gonna grow.

Brad Rempel (1h 35m 10s):

So, you know, the number one thing I could tell is if your viewers right now, or your listeners I should say sorry, are listening and they’re going, man, I want this. If they know a reputable body shop around them, tell them to, you know, go talk to them, show them our website. Say like, Hey, would you guys like to coat Chrome with a lifetime? No PO warranty. You will have that body shop’s attention instantly because they’ll say, yeah, but that doesn’t exist. And then you can show them something that does, I’ve been doing it successfully for nine years. I have yet to have something peel on me that’s Chrome that wasn’t due to somebody mis prepping something, you know, a little edge that just got mis prepped and then as soon as it touched the area that was prepped, boom, it’s good to go. You know, a worker just missed a little spot and we missed it in quality control.

Brad Rempel (1h 35m 50s):

We had a couple of those things happen, but very few and far between. And so that’s the best thing that your listeners could do right now to help this thing move forwards because I know it’s coming. You know, Linex offered me seven figures to buy this from me. 3M has offered that and even a little more. And I told them to pound sand. ’cause the fact that 3M gave me three separate offers starting very high, went even higher and went even higher again. The last one I told him, I was like, you can’t figure it out, can you? And the guy goes, what? I was like, you can’t figure out what it is. I was like, that’s why you’re offering me more money. I said, if you’re offering me this much money, you got somebody trying. And they are, they’re trying pretty hard.

Brad Rempel (1h 36m 30s):

They’re watching the patent office as well. I own the word body liner in Canada, the United States in New Zealand. I’ve trademarked and copyrighted that word. Not only that, you’ll never get this recipe. I found a mad scientist to help me after I figured out this could go together. And he said, I knew this could happen. I knew you could figure out a way to make these things go together, but it’s so far outta the world of regular chemistry. I’m not worried about these other people figuring it out. So that’s why I’m going slow. That’s why I’m taking my time. If I thought these guys were gonna figure this out, I would push really hard, but I know they’re not gonna, so we’re, we’re gonna go slower at it, but our paint’s gonna be out to every autobody shop in the world. So if they get the world’s strongest paint, once they start using that paint and go, oh my gosh, This Is stronger than any paint I’ve ever used, they’ll start using the liner.

Brad Rempel (1h 37m 16s):

So that’s why I’ve been pushing the paint and we’re just getting that out for all retail stuff and that will really help spread the word

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 22s):

Man. If This Is slow, I’d hate to see what Fast was if I was your competitor. So, yeah. Well, dude, This Is, this has been slow, dude. Super awesome.

Brad Rempel (1h 37m 31s):

I’ve got such low, like you guys can tell. Like I I I’m not on crack right now. This Is me, right? Like, I got this much energy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 38s):

I I wish your passion really came through the airwaves. All right, loud, clear. I’ve been asking you one last question that has nothing to do with your business. My my 16-year-old daughter is playing a guitar and she just picked a bass about a year ago and she’s killing it on the bass and she’s had a couple concerts through school. Do you as a musician have any advice for my, my young up and coming bass player?

Brad Rempel (1h 38m 1s):

100% I do because my 16-year-old daughter’s a bass player and practice is number one. Practice songs you love to play, find music that you love to play and don’t be afraid to just suck, right? Like, that’s one thing that the American Idol and all these things I’ve done, they stop people from sucking. Like if people, Nirvana would never be a band if it wasn’t for sucking. They were a garage band and they were in a garage for years that just, then they just sucked until they didn’t suck anymore. So don’t be afraid to just suck and keep playing music and play stuff you love. So that way you do it lots ’cause talent, it’s there.

Brad Rempel (1h 38m 41s):

Yes, for sure. There’s no question, but it’s a little bit of a myth. ’cause some of the most talented people that you’ve ever met are the most practiced people you’ve ever met. And that’s one of the biggest keys.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 51s):

All right, well let’s, let’s all give a round of applause and let’s hear it for Brad Rempel of Body Liner.

6 (1h 39m 1s):

Big crowd. Yeah, they love it. Do you think This Is bigger than his last show? I think this crowd’s bigger than his last show. Hell, I’m bow I’m

Brad Rempel (1h 39m 8s):

Bowing right now. I’m

6 (1h 39m 10s):

Sit down, sit down back there. Oh look, look. The Lighter are

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 13s):

Coming out, the lighters.

Lightning (1h 39m 15s):

Oh geez

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 16s):

Dude. Thank you. Thank won.

Lightning (1h 39m 19s):

Well, Brad,

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 20s):

We appreciate it.

Lightning (1h 39m 21s):

Congratulations. Thanks for spending a bunch of time with us and your, your hard work is paying off. And again, we, we love entrepreneurs and you are it personified. So thank you for spending time with us and everybody go to team body liner dot com, all the info is there.

Brad Rempel (1h 39m 40s):

Oh, it was awesome boys. Thank you so much for having me on the show. I thank you so much and big thank you to the guy that reached out to you. ’cause you know, he’s just a fan of our stuff. Nice. It’s a fan of your stuff and he connected us together. Well,

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 51s):

Appreciate it. We will make sure to come by and visit you at Seima this year and we’ll, we will. We’ll see you in a few months.

Brad Rempel (1h 39m 57s):

I look forward to shaking your hands, boys.

Lightning (1h 39m 59s):

All right, talk soon.

Brad Rempel (1h 39m 60s):

Take care guys. Bye bye.

Lightning (1h 40m 2s):

All As if this show hasn’t already been jam packed with news. We got some more for you.

7 (1h 40m 6s):

What’s new in trucks? We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need to know

3 (1h 40m 15s):

Lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 22s):


Lightning (1h 40m 23s):

That’s good. Good. From the man home. It was very strong. I like that. Yeah, it’s pretty

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 27s):

Good. Yeah. Thank you very much. Hey Lighting, did you hear, what

7 (1h 40m 29s):

Are you deaf man? Stupid? I said no.

Lightning (1h 40m 31s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 31s):

Wow, I’m not, I’m neither. And you didn’t say either. The new four Runner came out and it’s rides on Toyota t NGA Dash, we talked about that already. Platform

Lightning (1h 40m 40s):

We just covered all of four

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 41s):

Runner. We did cover all of it. You covered part of it. And there’s gonna be a TRD Pro and there’s gonna be a trail hunter and a platinum and a bunch of trims and it’s gonna be super popular and you’re not gonna be able to find one at the dealer for 400 years if you were wanting one next week. So don’t even look at it. It’ll be out like later this year, but you can’t get your hands on one. And the dealers are gonna be a-holes and they’re gonna mark ’em up. And the coolest new SUV will be impossible to get. So do what I’m gonna do and go buy a Prius.

Lightning (1h 41m 12s):

No, you’re not, I’m not don. Don’t. No you’re not. But I

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 15s):

Mean, I might what

Lightning (1h 41m 15s):

You want one, but you’re not gonna get one

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 17s):

If there, if there was a 1 99 lease on a Prius. Like yes. If, if Toya said you one week, one weekend only. You guys think he’s kidding. He’s not. Three grand down and 1 99 a month for two years on a Prius. Yeah, I would go buy one tomorrow and that would be my round town car. God man, it’s so freaking awesome. By the way, I just wanted to point out, alluded to this earlier, I was

Lightning (1h 41m 38s):

That it was gonna be the world’s longest episode. It’s,

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 40s):

I was very upset with my fellow journalist for breaking the embargo. So what happened was a big outlet got the embargo time wrong From what I’ve been told, put am in their CMS, their content management system instead of PM and broke the embargo 12 hours early. They realized their mistake right away and they tried to pull it back and it was too late. And the thing that sucks, and I I understand that the world’s about clicks and all this stuff, the thing that sucks is anybody who had access to those photos, if you guys don’t know how it works, a manufacturer like Toyota will s send you a NDA or an email saying, do you agree not to break embargo? These are the rules.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 20s):

We’ll give you the stuff early so you can write your story. And everybody who gets that says yes. It’s been in the past where one outlet breaks it and it’s like the gold rush, everybody goes. And I hate that because as a professional journalist versus some dude living off clicks on the internet or self-publishers, I have an agreement with a manufacturer that I’m not gonna break their embargo. And just because somebody else did it, I still think that I agreed not to do it and I’m not going to do it. I’d rather have the long-term relationship with a manufacturer than have the brief amount of clicks and attention that I get, have my story come out late and have it be a better story with context and all that. But instead, a lot of my fellow journalists jumped on, reposted all that stuff.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 1s):

They’re like, oh, embargo broke. My old employer was notorious with that kind of stuff. Bargo break, let’s go, let’s go. Because everything is so ad driven with clicks and everything like that. And it just made me feel dirty. ’cause I know how hard people at Toyota worked to keep it so that they could release it on their own schedule. And, and that mistake blew it outta the water. And everybody dog piling on made it where I think it, it, it lacks professionalism and decorum and how you should conduct yourself. And I hope that, that the manufacturer takes note of who broke those embargoes and who didn’t.

Lightning (1h 43m 35s):

But they won’t. They probably won’t. They

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 37s):

Will. But you think so, but they need, sometimes they need the outlets.

Lightning (1h 43m 40s):

If I’m your boss and you’re sitting on the story, I’m forcing you to

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 44s):

Go early on’s thing. Thing is you’re not my boss. No, I know. And the best part is, is I can make that decision. I’m not gonna play the embargo game. You, you, because I’m not, not big enough to do it on like OVR anyway, so,

Lightning (1h 43m 53s):

Well, not now. Or your podcast. I’m saying when You were at MotorTrend,

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 57s):

I I thought that battle happened all the time. Yeah, it

Lightning (1h 43m 59s):

Happened all the the time. But I would be the guy saying, you’re going, we’re not sitting on this

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 2s):

Story. Yeah, no. And that, and that happened many, many times. And, and that’s just how it is. I’m just saying that I’m, you know, master of my own domain is I want have a better standard than what I saw this week with the four Runner debacle. And I feel bad for all my friends at Toyota who worked their asses off just to have it ruined by a mistake. Hey Lightning, did you hear? I

Lightning (1h 44m 23s):

Said no. Nope. My don’t think I’ve heard.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 25s):

So speaking of Eclipse Ford, never one to miss a marketing opportunity, decide they

Lightning (1h 44m 32s):

Released a new eclipse. They

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 33s):

Released a blackout package for the Ford Bronco Raptor. No. Yeah, no,

Lightning (1h 44m 39s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 39s):

And of course it wasn’t done for the eclipse, but they decided to tie it into the eclipse. The package price is $4,995 for that price. You get a glossy black roof, which is painted instead of having that the texture, right. Matching mirror caps, gloss black fender flares. So those rubber made trash cans hanging off the side of that thing, have some gloss to ’em now. Okay. A glossy, blacked out roll bar. And then you get steel bumper, skid plates, tow hooks that get matte black on ’em. So that would add to the Raptor’s base price of $91,930, including destination, which means that you would be at $95,925.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 27s):

And apparently Broo sales are down 25% this year already. Are

Lightning (1h 45m 31s):

They really?

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 32s):

I think part of it is they got a bad rap for quality early on. Yes,

Lightning (1h 45m 36s):

They did.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 36s):

Boy, there’s a lot of production noise

Lightning (1h 45m 38s):

Top, top for leaking. People getting cut off.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 39s):

People stopped waiting for em. Everybody who wanted one got one. And honestly, as much as I love the way the Bronco like front end looks, I think they nailed it. The interiors are pretty cheap on ’em. And just the way the top looks, it’s like Legos. Yeah. And with the gloss black of this particular package, I don’t think it really makes it look better. Like you can see all the seams and stuff and it just, it still looks like a mishmash of parts. Well

Lightning (1h 46m 3s):

It looks like it’s wearing a hat that’s just, you know what it is, it’s, it’s got a

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 6s):

Mullet. Well it’s because like the way the roof comes down, it doesn’t match this line on the back. I just, there’s just a lot of lot going on. Yeah. Now I’ll say the Bronco Raptor is not like a regular raptor. It’s basically an ultra four car that’s DOT legal. And it’s unbelievable what you can do in that. It is, it is stunning the amount of capability that thing has for just Hucking being hucked. But that being said, you know, I had an opportunity to buy one and I I I didn’t,

Lightning (1h 46m 34s):

I’m gonna play something for you right now. Okay. This Is from our next episode. Oh, ooh, how good does that sound?

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 48s):

Sounds pretty cool. That is a

Lightning (1h 46m 49s):

Offroad Bronco, Dr. Desert race

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 53s):

Racer with a V and not a six cylinder.

Lightning (1h 46m 55s):

Exactly. That was me

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 57s):

The way God

Lightning (1h 46m 57s):

Intended in the passenger seat being

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 59s):


Lightning (1h 47m 1s):

Not screaming. You would’ve heard me if I were screaming. We were hauling balls out in Johnson Valley with Mr. Brad Lovel behind the

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 8s):

Wheel. You guys remember Brad level was on not too long ago talking about taking a stock forward Ranger Raptor across Australia and winning the race out there. So my man Lightning here had an opportunity to go for a ride along with him and the Dr and that was

Lightning (1h 47m 24s):

Strapped was so much fun. Bet you’re gonna hear my story.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 27s):

Brad’s a great driver too

Lightning (1h 47m 28s):

Later in the week. All

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 30s):

Right. I love it. Hey Lighting, did you hear?

Lightning (1h 47m 35s):

No, I have not heard.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 36s):

So did you know that Fox factory is bringing out a 700 horsepower supercharged Chevy Silverado 1500 Super truck?

Lightning (1h 47m 49s):

Are they calling it a sidewinder?

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 53s):


Lightning (1h 47m 53s):

You know about this?

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 55s):

No, they’re not. So This Is,

Lightning (1h 47m 59s):

Should we say why? That’s funny. you can

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 0s):

Go ahead because

Lightning (1h 48m 2s):

Wonder Mr. Gale Banks has been sitting on that trademark for many,

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 6s):


Lightning (1h 48m 6s):

Long time, many years. And we let it lapse and the next day

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 12s):


Lightning (1h 48m 13s):

Up. Somebody swooped it up. And you know who that somebody

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 15s):

Was who?

Lightning (1h 48m 16s):

Fox Factory.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 17s):

I, I’ll give you a little bit of info and there’s supposed to be some more information for our next episode, but it’s a wide body. It’s got long travel suspension supercharged LS, 700 horsepower 3.2 Fox Race Series Live Valve dampers and 37. So it’s basically a Ford Raptor R competitor or a 2024 Ram TRX competitor, but built by Fox Factory. So Baja Kit suspension, it’s got 14 and a half inches of travel and then it’s a Gen V supercharged 6.2 liter V eight with 700 horsepower and 640 pound feet of torque. There’s supposed to be about 500 of these trucks being made. And

Lightning (1h 48m 54s):

That’s a pretty small number.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 55s):

I don’t have the price yet, so I’ll have more information on the next show, but I just wanted to tease that for all you Silverado. Now what’s interesting is they’re not the first to try and make a Raptor fighter. If you remember, black Lake had the XT one pre-runner, which I haven’t heard anything from those guys in like a year.

Lightning (1h 49m 12s):

Didn’t we interview someone from Black Lake right before they were debuting that truck? Yeah, absolutely. And he was like, This Is A no Holes bar truck with, we’re throwing everything at it with

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 22s):

GM engineers behind it, right?

Lightning (1h 49m 23s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 24s):

It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Fox and how they’re gonna distribute it. don don’t know if it’s gonna be a, a package through them through a local dealer or what? I mean it’s supposed to be but

Lightning (1h 49m 33s):

Only 500 pieces. So This Is, eh, I mean that’s not for the average Joe. Obviously This Is not a real Raptor fighter if there’s only 500 units.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 40s):

No, I mean, but it’s just a way to showcase Chevy and Fox’s high-end performance and all that kinda stuff. So anyway, thought it would be worth, worth mentioning. Hey, Lighting, Have, You Heard?

9 (1h 49m 50s):


Lightning (1h 49m 51s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 52s):

The cyber truck, it has an 11,000 pound towing capacity bolus who does these super high end like polished aluminum? Like the way Airstream used to be, like super expensive, like quarter a million dollar trailers that are handmades. What, what’s the name? Bolus. B-O-W-L-U-S. Okay. Super Highend Trailer Builder. They, you know, showed that the cyber truck, it’s not, doesn’t have a great range while, while towing, but apparently bolus, CEO Geneva Long did some results. And they found out that the Tesla Model X achieved better real world range while towing the ev friendly bolus volterra trailer, which is a 3,250 pound trailer.

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 33s):

The SUV did 71% of its 330 mile range, which was about 235 miles while towing, while the dual motor cyber truck only made it 160 miles, which is 47% of the Tesla claim. 340 mile miles. It’s just interesting. Obviously cyber trucks heavier, not aerodynamic, but it’s always interesting to see, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s weird. It ev works for cars, EV works for aerodynamics, lighter weight, smaller vehicles, but there’s a point of diminishing returns where you have these trucks that weigh eight, 9,000, 10,000 pounds because battery pack and all that and they’re towing 11,000 pounds and they’re these behemoths.

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 13s):


Lightning (1h 51m 14s):

We’ve seen this on the guy with a, a Ford Lightning that tried to tow and they were pulling motor. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 18s):

But we keep going. Like I don’t, I don’t think The truck market is right. Like it’s not the right use case for ev it’s, it’s ev works in so many other places that isn’t trucks. Although I, when You are doing truck stuff, I,

Lightning (1h 51m 30s):

Here’s weird. Last week I saw Rivian Towing like a, like a Boston Whaler boat busted.

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 35s):

Yeah, they have great towing capacity.

Lightning (1h 51m 36s):

26 foot long boat. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 38s):

Hmm. So anyway, I I just, I always find that interesting. It’s, it’s fun to kind of poke fun at the, the, the towing real world

Lightning (1h 51m 45s):

Results. Has anyone towed with one of those in plaid mode? Like zero to a hundred in plaid mode pulling

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 52s):

A trailer? I’m sure somebody has, you know where plaid mode came from, right? Yeah.

Lightning (1h 51m 54s):

It’s from Space Balls. Yeah. Yeah.

9 (1h 51m 57s):

Prepare ship for light speed. No, no, no. Light speed is too slow. Light speed. Too slow. Yes. We’re gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed. What

10 (1h 52m 13s):

The hell was that? They’ve come to Plaid.

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 17s):

Hey Lighting, did you hear

9 (1h 52m 19s):


Lightning (1h 52m 20s):

No, no, I have not.

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 21s):

Alright, Lighting, in case you thought the convertible was dead in America, that’s not the case. Did you know America’s top three best selling convertibles are

Lightning (1h 52m 30s):

Are all Mustangs because they’re only, the only thing I see rented at like Los Angeles International Airport for all the outta towners, let’s go to most in convertible. There’s always luggage in the backseat. Like every single freaking time.

9 (1h 52m 42s):

Number three

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 44s):

Would be the Jeep Gladiator, which sold 12,989 units in Q1. Of course, every Jeep Gladiator is a convertible and they sold nearly as many gladiators as Ford sold Mustangs. So even though the sales were about the, the same, every one of the gladiators, the convertible. So they beat beat Fords there. So that’s cool. And

11 (1h 53m 6s):

Number two,

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 7s):

The Ford Bronco had 24,066 units. And just in case you thought that Bronco was about to eat the lunch of a venerable offering in the space

12 (1h 53m 21s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 21s):

One Jeep Wrangler with 38,308 sold.

Lightning (1h 53m 25s):

God. Yeah. You don’t really think of those as convertibles. Obviously they are, but like, you, like retractable and summertime and all that stuff. don don’t know. Like, I don’t, it’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 34s):

Exactly how I think of those. I just think

Lightning (1h 53m 35s):

Of like, really don don’t know. You say the word convertible to me, it feels like a sports car. No, no.

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 40s):

I would say sports car. Isn’t the Jeep the ultimate sports car?

Lightning (1h 53m 45s):

No. Yes, no.

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 47s):

Yes. No. Even Enzo Ferrari said that the Jeep was the ultimate sports car. No,

Lightning (1h 53m 52s):

He did not.

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 53s):

Well, I mean, there’s a rumor that, a quote that had been attributed to Enzo Ferrari where he called Jeep America’s only true sports car. Yeah, but it’s, it’s, it’s murky in its in it legacy. You’re a

11 (1h 54m 5s):

Lying set

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 6s):

Of shit. I’m not, I’m not you’re

13 (1h 54m 8s):

Not wrong. You just maybe less than right.

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 13s):

People just don’t know that it actually happened. I believe in it that

Lightning (1h 54m 18s):

Enzo Ferrari called Jeep the ultimate sports

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 20s):

Car. Right? Because it’s a convertible, it can do anything, it can go anywhere. It’s fun to drive. That

11 (1h 54m 25s):

Ain’t true. That’s not true.

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 27s):

I have more fun.

11 (1h 54m 29s):

So get your facts

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 30s):

Straight in a 3 92 with no top or no doors and the windshield folded down, driving through dirt than you do in that Mercedes pile of crap in your driveway.

Lightning (1h 54m 39s):

Fun does not, ma. Oh, how dare you. Fun does not make it a sports car.

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 44s):

I do love how when You get in your Mercedes. Yeah. It has all the creeks that you would expect it to have. Oh, Mercedes of that age. Oh, the door panels, the leather, everything. Just, oh, everything

Lightning (1h 54m 55s):

Moves, moves. Everything moves. But you know what makes it all go away?

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 57s):

Nothing. The sound of

Lightning (1h 54m 58s):

That exhaust in that engine, dude.

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 60s):

Whew. Yeah, well, I mean that’s only ’cause you have the cast remove. Hey Lighting, did you hear?

Lightning (1h 55m 5s):

I don’t know what you’re talking about. How dare you sir?

12 (1h 55m 8s):

No, 0, 0 0.

Lightning (1h 55m 11s):

No, I don’t know. Well, the

Sean P. Holman (1h 55m 12s):

Iios quartermaster pickup truck is available to order. So the configurator is live now and the base price starts at 86,900. And both the rugged trail master trim or the upscale field master trim start at $94,900. What is up with a fricking do they know that interest rates right now are six and a half percent to buy a new car?

Lightning (1h 55m 38s):

I apparently they don’t care what

Sean P. Holman (1h 55m 40s):

In the wor like why is every truck $90,000 all of a sudden? I remember like in 20 15, 20 16, it was like, wow, the new F-150 platinum is like 70,000. That seems like a lot. And I’m like, is it, is it really $25,000 more content in a truck today? I’m, is this what our parents said when cars and trucks were like, wait

14 (1h 56m 5s):

A minute, they want $15,000 for a truck. Dude, that’s highway

Sean P. Holman (1h 56m 9s):

Robbery. I it’s, and here we are at 90. I I mean it’s, it’s like insane. I just can’t believe people are paying that kind of money, dude. Whatcha talking about you paid like more than 80 for your fricking Jeep A Jeep? You don’t know that. Let’s, let’s e oh say you got a great deal, whatever I did. But it’s, it’s around that ballpark. It’s still an absurd amount of money. Come on dude, for a Jeep. Dude, don’t tell me that you’ve made money. I know you have, but that’s, that’s irrelevant, dude. It was a crazy expensive Jeep. I get it. I have it. I haven’t denied that. It’s a crazy expensive Jeep, but it’s also gonna be one of those things that goes up in price, just like your, your T Rx does that. Yes, I see that. So those are special edge cases, but I I will say yes, it was an absurd freaking amount of money, but the very same vehicle that I bought with the AAV package, let, lemme take the, let me pull the AAV package up.

Sean P. Holman (1h 57m 4s):

The same vehicle that I bought a year and a half ago is 15 to $18,000 more sticker today. Yeah, that’s crazy. So I mean, I, I get it’s absurd amount of money, but dude, I don, I’m paying that for, I mean, every guy with a GMC Denali, ultimate, all the guys with every Escalades, dude, look at the i I get the bison and the, at 84 x AV edition, mid-size stuff. $69,000 for those. Yeah, for mid-size truck. Yeah. Like, it’s badass. Don’t get me wrong. That’s some cheddar. The thing is, at the end of the day, you still have like pieces and parts from a $30,000 truck in there, like the interior pieces. I mean, you can’t hide it all.

Sean P. Holman (1h 57m 45s):

Right? Like there’s still don don’t know man. I I, I just look at it and just shake my head. It’s, it’s insane. Hey Lighting, did you hear?

Lightning (1h 57m 56s):

No, no.

Sean P. Holman (1h 57m 58s):

I have not heard for you Ram fans who have been anxiously awaiting the 2025 Ram 1500. They’re arriving on dealership lots right now. So if you’ve been waiting head on out and check they come checkout. Do they come with rear windows? In fact, the same rear window you have? Oh, that’s, maybe you should just borrow from one of those.

Lightning (1h 58m 17s):

Did we miss anything in our Epic seven hour show? Something you want to hear us talk about? Get us up. Send us an email truck show podcast at gmail dot com and we will read it in two episodes. The

2 (1h 58m 28s):

Truck show, The truck show. The truck show. Whoa Whoa.

Sean P. Holman (1h 58m 34s):

We keep talking longer, but we’re outta water in here and all our voices are fading fast. Listen, if you wanna follow us on social, please hit us up at Truck Show podcast.

Lightning (1h 58m 44s):

Oh, no, no. You know, because at

Sean P. Holman (1h 58m 46s):

LBC Lighting

Lightning (1h 58m 47s):

No, no, I’m saying don’t because I’ve been derelict. I’ve been awful. I know you’ve been posting, you’ve got, I’ve been trying. You’ve been No, you’ve been pretty good. Pretty good. I have just, I have sucked. Like I didn’t even take a photo when they were installing my window. I haven’t shot any

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 0s):

Photos lately. Listen, This, Is Lightning, I’m telling you, just do better. Hashtag do better. Hashtag do better. And head over to truck show podcast dot com if you wanna see some featured products, get some discounts on some stuff. Find out what’s going on in your neck of the woods at our event calendar. And of course you can hit us up on the five star hotline. We’d love to hear from you guys. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Won’t you be part of the show? Join Lightning and Holman and I. don Dunno. Tell us what’s on your mind.

Lightning (1h 59m 25s):

Yeah, wait a minute. We, we were gonna hold on a second. Lemme lemme just kill that. You and I were going to, why did you, we had a plea. Did

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 30s):


Lightning (1h 59m 30s):

Had a bed? No, I don Care. You killed it. I killed it. This. Is. More important.

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 32s):

Oh boy.

Lightning (1h 59m 34s):

We were gonna ask Ryan. Ryan, you’re listening. Ryan had an answer for us, we think, right? We, before this episode and I were, what are, what are you

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 42s):


Lightning (1h 59m 42s):

Here? Listen to me. Listen to me. Trying.

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 44s):

Okay. Conciseness, we’re trying to end the show. Lightning

Lightning (1h 59m 47s):

Holman and I come up with silly band names. Yes. Quite

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 50s):

Often. Tell me Ryan Evans and

Lightning (1h 59m 51s):

Ryan Evans. You think

Sean P. Holman (1h 59m 52s):

He’s been writing it down?

Lightning (1h 59m 53s):

I have a feeling Ryan Evans has been writing down all the band names that we come up with when Holman’s like, you know, like it’s, that’s like a wiener dog on Sunday. And I go, man, I’m gonna go see Wiener Dog on Sunday, Wiener Dog

Sean P. Holman (2h 0m 6s):

On Sunday.

Lightning (2h 0m 7s):

Like whatever it is. Holman had a list and he lost it.

Sean P. Holman (2h 0m 10s):

If you, I

Lightning (2h 0m 11s):

Had a list and I lost it.

Sean P. Holman (2h 0m 12s):

If you’re listening to the show,

Lightning (2h 0m 13s):

We’ve been coming up with band names for six years. I know. And we don’t have the list of many anymore. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (2h 0m 16s):

If somebody has been so you’re so weird about, okay, here’s the thing,

Lightning (2h 0m 21s):

We wanna print em on a t-shirt.

Sean P. Holman (2h 0m 22s):

We, we wanna do, we have some T-shirt ideas. So we need two things from you. Somebody who delivers that list to us. We’ll have some sort of reward, like maybe the first edition of our limited release T-shirt. The other thing is, are you guys interested in T-shirts that we do presale? So it’s gonna be, you know, it’s, it’s a lot of outlay to try and have T-shirt production. So we’re thinking about doing limited runs of funny Truck show podcast T-shirts. They might be 25, 30 bucks. Are you interested in that? Will you guys let us know if that’s something that you’d be interested in? So if you are, we’ll, we’ll pursue it and we’ll get t-shirts done. I don’t know, before the end of the year.

Lightning (2h 0m 55s):

We’ve been talking about this forever. But Holman finally has the business up and running enough so he can actually ish. Well we can finally do this ish. It sounds like a pipe dream, but I think we can actually pull it off. So please let us know. Truck show podcast atgm all dot com if you would be interested. And I think we can get this going. All

Sean P. Holman (2h 1m 13s):

Right. Also, thanks for everybody who’s been sending in your know your notes. We have enough to do another show, but we want more. So please keep those coming. And also don’t forget to send us a review on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, on Facebook. Definitely helps out the show.

Lightning (2h 1m 27s):

And the other folks that help out the show are

Sean P. Holman (2h 1m 29s):

Nissan, you mean our presenting sponsor? The purveyor of awesome mid-size trucks right here in the good old US of A. In fact, I’m gonna have that Nissan hard body here next week. So hopefully we

Lightning (2h 1m 39s):

Do some, we should do, we should, we should do another show the way we did years ago. Yep. In the Hard Body. We should go to Wiener Schnitt and record part of the show.

Sean P. Holman (2h 1m 46s):


Lightning (2h 1m 46s):

We can do that

Sean P. Holman (2h 1m 47s):

In the hard body. We could. We could do that. We could take our soft bodies and record ’em in a hard body. Yeah. So that’ll be cool if you’re looking for the hard bodies. I think they’re just hitting dealerships now. So head over to Nissan usa dot com. you can build in price or you can check ’em out at your local dealership lot. We obviously love Nissan. They’ve been presenting the show for six years now and they’ve been an amazing partner. Please, if you’re in the market for a truck, consider them to be on your Test Drive list. And

Lightning (2h 2m 12s):

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Sean P. Holman (2h 2m 26s):

Hey Li, did you know AMS oil is the official oil and title sponsor of Ultimate Callout Challenge? I did. And did you know that they’re the official oil of the National Association of Diesel Motorsports that

Lightning (2h 2m 35s):

I did not?

Sean P. Holman (2h 2m 35s):

So check this out. AMS oil has their dominator series of oils for competition, either 20 W 50 competition diesel oil or the 15 W 50, a hundred percent synthetic racing oil. AMS oil has been a pioneer in synthetic lubricants for more than 50 years. When it comes to lubrication, AMS oil is the leader in synthetics. Find out more at AMS oil dot com.

Lightning (2h 3m 2s):

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