Fox Factory introduces their new 700-horsepower Chevy Silverado-based super truck, and Chris Roes from Fox joins the hosts to delve into its development. We also feature insights from our listeners, and Holman hints at his adventure with the Nissan Frontier Hardbody. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan, in association with Banks Power and Amsoil.


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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (0s):

Holman. There are two things that I care about getting to on this episode of The Truck. Show Podcast. First

Sean P. Holman (5s):

The Nissan Hardbody in my driveway. Okay. That,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8s):

That is first. Okay. The second is a 700 horsepower super truck. That’s not one that I own.

Sean P. Holman (15s):

Oh, interesting. Huh. What could that be about?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18s):

It might be a Fox factory Super Chevy.

Sean P. Holman (23s):

Well, considering you’re one of those guys that is a quote unquote Chevy guy, traditionally,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29s):

I’m kind of excited about this.

Sean P. Holman (30s):

You, are you having buyer’s remorse on the T Rx? No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33s):

No, I’m not. I’m gonna buy this as well.

Sean P. Holman (36s):

Yeah. Okay. And I’m going to keep the Hardbody that’s in my driveway and hide it from Nissan

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43s):

Because they’re gonna want it back soon.

Sean P. Holman (45s):

Well, I, I only technically have it for a week, but if I go to Mexico, I could have it forever.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50s):

I wonder if you drove this down this Wait, go. Wait. It just occurred to me, you said you’re gonna take it to Mexico.

Sean P. Holman (56s):

I mean, if I were to disappear, why wouldn’t you disappear with a truck? Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59s):

Oh yeah, good point.

Sean P. Holman (1m 1s):

I mean, you get something reliable that has a dealer network that’s easy to repair, durable. Something that you wouldn’t have to worry about, like, you know, turbo going bad or some hybrid battery pack going. I mean, I really think the Nissan Frontier Hardbody is the right truck to disappear into your new life somewhere.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 20s):

What are you planning?

Sean P. Holman (1m 21s):

Nothing. Would it surprise you? They almost bought an EV this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 25s):

Week. No, no.

Sean P. Holman (1m 26s):

That’s another story.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 29s):

Hold on a second.

Sean P. Holman (1m 30s):

We, we don’t have to talk about that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 31s):

No, we, we, we shouldn’t talk about that because it’s not a truck.

Sean P. Holman (1m 35s):

No, it’s This. Is gonna be, it’s a refrigerator.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 36s):

This. Is gonna be like your version of my old mini Cooper. Like that’s what this discussion

Sean P. Holman (1m 40s):

Was gonna be. I thought that’s what the CRV was.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 42s):

Yeah, the CRV is worse than my Cooper. Let’s not even go down there. So Holman didn’t buy it. If he does buy something, I’ll

Sean P. Holman (1m 48s):

Let you know then

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 48s):

He’ll let us know. Let’s talk about the Hardbody came

Sean P. Holman (1m 52s):

Real close though. Beca real

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 53s):

Close. I know you did. We let seriously, it’s not disgusting. You’re gonna piss off the listers.

Sean P. Holman (1m 57s):

The deal was so good that thousands were sold within three days. It

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 1s):

Is a good deal, but let’s not talk about it. ’cause you’re going to upset truck owners that listen, I’m

Sean P. Holman (2m 6s):

Just saying that if you have a truck and then you have really short trips around town, you might supplement that truck. That’s all I’m saying. Or if you have a really gas thirsty, awesome vehicle that you don’t wanna put a lot of miles on, well then maybe you get something like a Hardbody that can be your daily.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 22s):

Let’s talk about the Hardbody for a moment. Because moment

Sean P. Holman (2m 25s):

Up here, only because I gotta drive. I just gotta this morning like it’s literally brand new.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 28s):

I have it. You’re gonna cut the show early.

Sean P. Holman (2m 30s):

I drove it into my driveway. That’s all the driving I’ve done today. ’cause I was so busy. So I haven’t put any miles on it. I’m planning to hit the desert. The one thing I wanna say about the Hardbody though is the freaking wheels, like you look at that truck, you’re like, it’s a good looking truck. And I love the way the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 44s):

Wheels are time capsules.

Sean P. Holman (2m 45s):

They are time capsules. And I just sat there and went, This, Is. So rad. I’m glad they did that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 50s):

Even the decal on the side is just, it’s all,

Sean P. Holman (2m 54s):

It’s the like the old Yeah. Retro kind of a seventies, eighties vibe. But what I really like is the black applique across the tailgate kind of makes it on the Hardbody. ’cause it just reminds me of the way the old tailgates looked with like the, the black with the Nissan showing through.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 6s):

I like it because it’s the new truck. It’s the new frontier, but it’s got retro in it. So it. It’s a weird kind of dichotomy, don’t you think?

Sean P. Holman (3m 14s):

I mean, I had a bunch of people come by my house today ’cause usually the neighbors are out walking and they’re like, what it is that a new truck? And I was like, yeah, it’s a new frontier. And they’re like, but is it new old? The the the Oh the Wheel. It looks it reminds you of something. Yeah, like an old Nissan Hardbody. I’m like, it is a Nissan Hardbody. But it’s the new news. Brand new. Yes. Yeah. So this thing is that really bright red. It’s almost looks like my other vehicle. It’s called Red Alert.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 42s):

Red Alert.

Sean P. Holman (3m 44s):

And in the sun man it just, it’s red and people like slow down it. I don don’t know. It’s just a red pickup truck. People love red pickup trucks. But it has those awesome chunky monoblock three spoke wheels on it. It has rock rails on it, which don’t even come on the Pro four X, which I thought was kind of, kind of cool. And then it’s got the, like the old eighties style bed hoop in the, in the back of the sport bar. It’s just got graphics. It’s based off of a, I believe an SV So. it doesn’t have a rear locker, but it does have four Wheel drive. It’s a four by four frontier crew cab.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 17s):

It’s simple. Get effective. It’s

Sean P. Holman (4m 18s):

Simple. Yeah, it is just a, a truck that makes you smile and looks cool and people like it and they give you thumbs up. And I’m gonna go drive it all week long and soak in those thumbs up. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 28s):

Holman, are these available at the dealer?

Sean P. Holman (4m 30s):

I know it’s late availability, but they should be getting there soon. I wanna say that if they’re not on the dealership lots right now, they’ll be arriving shortly. This Is one of the first production ones that made it out here. And so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 42s):

You’ve stolen this out of the hands of a prospective buyer. Yes.

Sean P. Holman (4m 46s):

No This Is. Immediately they want us to talk about it and they said, Hey, how’d you like to have a Hardbody? So you talk about on the podcast and they said, sign me up. So if you’re looking for a rad retro truck, you’re not gonna find one on your new car lot unless you head on down to your local Nissan dealer. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan and they have priced the Frontier King Cab S four by two at just $30,030.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 9s):

No way. That’s right. That’s gotta be a typo.

Sean P. Holman (5m 11s):

Not only is it not a typo, but it comes standard with a 3.8 liter direct injection, dual overhead cam 24 valve V six engine with 310 horsepower.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 20s):

That’s the one that sounds good.

Sean P. Holman (5m 22s):

Well if that’s not good enough, I believe you’ve got some good news for us on the Lightning. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 25s):

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Sean P. Holman (5m 35s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 35s):

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Sean P. Holman (6m 48s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 50s):

Who’s rocking a Reno? Seriously

Sean P. Holman (6m 51s):

Competition. Listen. But they meet the standard, right? Yeah. Like that’s, that’s what’s awesome about this stuff. I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 56s):

Gonna go to UCC, the Ultimate Call Challenge with a renew.

Sean P. Holman (6m 58s):

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The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer. What? The truck. Because truck rides with The truck show. We have the lifted, we have the lower end. Everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Whoa Whoa.

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It’s The truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 48s):

Woo. Yes. I’m very excited about this next guest.

Sean P. Holman (7m 53s):

Why? Because somebody finally plucked a Chevy out of obscurity and added some real horsepower in a truck. Huh? Huh?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 60s):

You’re distorting the microphones. I know,

Sean P. Holman (8m 1s):

I know. Well, I mean, you weren’t by screaming like a, when

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 4s):

I scream I get like back off the mic like this, like a

Sean P. Holman (8m 6s):

Small child over there in the corner of the studio. You’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 8s):

Like, I lean back and I scream right

Sean P. Holman (8m 10s):

Back here. You’re listen, you have been all about, oh blah blah, the diesels from gm, so much power, awesome. Blah blah blah. And then I’m like, Chevy 1500 and you’re like, I have to buy a Ram. ’cause Chevy doesn’t have anything. Cool. It makes a lot of horsepower.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 24s):

Well, Chevy still doesn’t I know, but Fox Factory does.

Sean P. Holman (8m 27s):

Fox Factory does they,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 27s):

They bolted on a Whipple supercharger now they, well

Sean P. Holman (8m 30s):

That’s not all they bolted

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 31s):

On. Seven. Seven hun Horsepower

Sean P. Holman (8m 32s):

Admin and over a foot of travel. Front and rear. Alright,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 35s):

Can we call Chris Rose?

Sean P. Holman (8m 36s):

We should probably do that if we wanna know more about the new Fox Factory truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 41s):

Okay, let me dial, he’s in the 2 0 6 area code. Here we go. Let’s see. Hello, is this Mr. Chris Rose? It’s Lightning and home at Truck Show podcast.

Chris Roes (8m 57s):

Hey. Yes it is Good to be talking with you guys. Fantastic.

Sean P. Holman (8m 60s):

You have been a busy, busy man from what we can tell

Chris Roes (9m 4s):

Me and many others, William Fox factory. But thank you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 7s):

We’ve got a lot of questions for you. But first you get an Intro. Now this one I think is kind of cool ’cause we haven’t played this for a very long time. We’re taking a deep dive at Fox Factory,

5 (9m 17s):

Prepare to dive. Prepare to dive. Hi Captain. Captain, we too deep. There’s no such thing as too deep. Okay. That was too deep.

Sean P. Holman (9m 41s):

You know this, that sound was actually a recording of a, of a factory Chevy Trail boss being hooked off a three foot berm. Oh really? And landing with, is that what it was? Factory suspension? Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 52s):

Our microphones were there.

Sean P. Holman (9m 53s):

Yeah, they were there and he captured that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 56s):

So Chris is

Chris Roes (9m 57s):

Probably, definitely needed some Fox shocks.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 58s):

Exactly. Chris is the advanced development manager of the performance vehicle division at Fox Factory. That is a mouthful. Before we jump into this Huckle truck that you and the team have built at Fox Factory, Chris, what’s your background? How did you get where you are now?

Chris Roes (10m 17s):

Oh, you know, pretty diverse experience. You know, I, I, I’ve, I’ve worked in pretty much every industry in the area I’m in. I’ve worked in automotive, back aftermarket, automotive, marine medical, and actually just kind of stumbled upon this job. They found me and picked me out. And to be quite honest, I had no idea that the Upfitter industry existed. I was kind of naive like everybody else, and, and thought that Ford, GM Ram Dodge built these vehicles that were specialized.

Sean P. Holman (10m 46s):

So let’s go over The truck. So we’re starting with a Chevy Silverado 1500 and it’s got the 6.2 liter. So I’m assuming you’re starting with a ZR two or are you starting with something different?

Chris Roes (10m 59s):

We’re actually starting with an RST Crew Cab short bed. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (11m 2s):


Chris Roes (11m 4s):

Yep. Yep. And the reason we do that is because in the upfitting we, we try to find the right balance of, you know, what we’re gonna discard what we’re gonna use on the vehicle. Got it. So if you had the ZRT you’d be taking off, you know, to put our Fox shocks on, you’d be taking off a lot of, you know Sure. High dollar content that GM is put on there.

Sean P. Holman (11m 21s):

Absolutely. All right, so you guys have a Whipple Gen five supercharger. So good for 700 horsepower, 640 pound feet of torque. You’re using Fox 3.2 live valve shocks, 14.5 inches of front travel, 15.5 inches of rear travel, 7.5 inches wider overall, 37 inch tires on a 17 inch method, forged alloys with the bead grip technology. And you guys are backing the whole truck with the three year 36,000 mile warranties. So you’re not losing anything from,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 53s):

If you would’ve bought this directly off the showroom floor.

Chris Roes (11m 57s):

Yeah, that’s correct.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 58s):

How was this idea birthed? Where did it come from? Is it a reaction to the other two manufacturers with their super trucks or is that why Chevy was the platform of choice for you guys?

Chris Roes (12m 10s):

Oh, I think we obviously saw a lot of opportunity there. You know, the, the consumers have, you know, in our opinion, longed for a contender in this market space from from gm, you know, platform. So with with, with the, the Fox side and you know, we’re, we’re really relevant, you know, already on the Ford side, you know, seeing, seeing this big opportunity on the GM side, you know, going after their, you know, really nice truck, you know, robust platform, you know, great powertrain, you know, with the LT DI just a really, really good starting point to, you know, really implement all this really cool feature set that we put on this vehicle. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 47s):

But I guess what I’m asking Chris, is that, did Fox go, did you guys reach out to GM and say there’s a hole in the marketplace for all of the GM fans that want to go up against the TRX and the Raptor and we wanna be the guys to build it? Or did, did GM come to you and say, here’s a blank slate with an RST, go for it.

Chris Roes (13m 7s):

Well, it, it’d actually be neither of those, you know, we, we’d love, we, we, we would love to collaborate with gm, you know, on, on projects like this. But, you know, being an upfitter, we, we have Ments with, you know, the big three and within that system there’s agreements as far as, you know, responsibility for, for warranty and whatnot. So we, we have a, a little more liberty than, than most would have to, you know, have a freedom of design. So This, Is, This Is really just developed and, you know, launched within Fox Factory itself. You know, we’re definitely interested in what GM’s thoughts on it and we’re looking forward to, you know, getting that feedback.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 49s):

Okay, interesting. So I, I, now I understand I have a more clear picture of this. This, Is Fox birthed it and said, we’re buying The truck. So you’re, you’re, you’re buying these trucks potentially straight from gm, we just a lot. And then you’re doing all the Upfitting and then selling them as a third party and you’re warranting them. And so it’s not really a collaboration with gm, although somehow you got into the ECM and the only way to do that on the 2024 Chevy is with GM’s approval. They gave you the keys to get into in, or, or they gave Whipple the keys to get into the ECM to or HP tuners, which is the only, or HP two. Ah, yeah, it’s Whipple. So I think, I don’t know, let Chris, what’s the story?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 31s):

Yeah, we, how did you get 700 horsepower outta this with a lockdown ECM

Chris Roes (14m 36s):

Magic? We, you know, we, we work really closely with Whipple. We have a great relationship there. So we, we lean heavily on them to develop the performance package and do all the calibration, you know, on, on the modules on The truck. There are ways to to, to do it in there. It’s all done through third party. This kinda nature of all you have to do it. And, and by us having, you know, the bailment and you know, the responsibility for the warranty, if there are any issues with The truck as, as far as modules or software or calibration, that, that’s our responsibility. And, and that’s really no different than than the rest of our business that we do daily.

Sean P. Holman (15m 16s):

So we know that the current gen trucks have no way of having the Speedo calibrated for anything larger than a 33 or a 35 depending on which truck it is. How are you guys able to get in there and let The truck know it’s on 30 sevens? Was that a, a gear ratio swap that did that or, or were you guys able to figure out a way to calibrate that? So all the gauges and everything are accurate?

Chris Roes (15m 41s):

Well, you know, it has larger tires and it also has a gear ratio upgrade. The truck starts with a 3 23 as we receive it. So we are, you know, upgrading the, the front gear set and the a m differential to a 3 73 and then installing a full width Dana aftermarket. We’re now using Wheel spacers, you know, 35 Lanker Molly and that’s 3 73 with an Air Locker and, and all those compensations for the tire size of your ratio are, are done in the calibration through Whipple.

Sean P. Holman (16m 10s):

Okay. Alright. Now you guys aren’t the only ones who have figured out that the Silverado could be a potentially great platform, especially in the aftermarket for Upfitting, because obviously there’s Ford and Ram had the TRX and soon to have the, the RHOA company called Black Lake has their XT one, which is similar in some ways. And those are a bunch of old GM engineers. Although I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 31s):

Thought that that didn’t they have a failure to launch? Is that what we decided on the last episode or No,

Sean P. Holman (16m 35s):

No, no. Their website says new vehicles coming in spring of 2024. So it’ll be interesting. I know there’s a lot of hype about that, but they were in upstart, whereas you guys are obviously backed by a, a pretty big company. Was there any of that consideration when taking on this project? Who else you might be competing with in the upfit space?

Chris Roes (16m 53s):

Oh, we definitely surveyed the landscape of, you know, other contenders in the market space. And I’ve actually seen the XT one, I was at the scene, the garage open house up in Detroit and they had on there on display, you know, it’s a really nice truck. They’ve got great fitness on that thing.

Sean P. Holman (17m 7s):

When You saw it, did you walk up and make evil laughing noises and then walk away and nobody knew why he

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 13s):

Well he did that. Woo.

Sean P. Holman (17m 15s):


Chris Roes (17m 16s):

Just, just taking it all in and seeing how people do things. You know, we have a lot of respect for our competition. I’m a, I’m a firm believer competition breeds innovation. So, you know, definitely don’t want to, you know, snu anybody full respect. And I, I think we are, I think we’re differentiated enough with, with the stylistic aspects of our vehicle and some of the other characteristics in, in regards to suspension and that associated feature set that, you know, we’re, we’re, we’re not taking anything away from anybody. We’re, we’re, you know, kind of writing this on our own

Sean P. Holman (17m 47s):

Additive. If, if as you were, it’s, so here’s interest. What’s interesting is you kind of imagine and you see all the fiberglass companies and all the guys pre-running and they do the, you know, wider suspension kits and they have the typical, you know, fiberglass flared fenders. You guys have taken a really unique approach to the styling where it’s incredibly integrated and all the body work looks to be oe. I mean it’s, I was probably one of the things that was the, the most impressive is how cohesive the front end looks, even with the aftermarket Lighting. But the way that you, you popped out the, the fenders but still kind of kept the air curtain style vent sort of, you know, as a, as a, a feature or a look in there and the way the trapezoidal Wheel flares are front of rear.

Sean P. Holman (18m 32s):

I was just really impressed with how all that flowed together, especially with the hood. It looks like really tight body seams are, are you guys using SMC fiberglass? The, because these parts look really amazing. Balsa wood

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 42s):

These’s using balsa wood.

Chris Roes (18m 44s):

Right? It’s a really good looking wood. Really light, you know, so yeah, I mean to get right down to the, the details, the, you know, every body part that we replaced, you know, being the hood, the lower balance, the front fenders, the bedsides, even the fuel door are all carbon fiber.

Sean P. Holman (19m 3s):

Oh wow. Wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 4s):

Okay. Yeah.

Chris Roes (19m 6s):

Then there’s, there’s some cheap for

Sean P. Holman (19m 7s):

That’s not cheap. That is, that is not yet. And is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 9s):

That something that you guys are doing in house? I mean, Fox factory, you, you have a lot of different expertise under that roof or under the many roots that you, you own?

Chris Roes (19m 17s):

We are using a company up in the Detroit area that specializes in composites and they had been an incredible partner on this project and others.

Sean P. Holman (19m 27s):

So I’d say I, I’d love to dive into the suspension a little bit. Obviously This, Is, This, Is a, a Fox product. So the suspension is really what sets it apart. We can get into powertrain drivetrain and some of the changes, but the suspension looks freaking awesome. It looks like you guys have a slapper for the, the air bump, which is something that you don’t see in a lot of aftermarket kits. That’s kind of only really come out in the aftermarket on Bolton stuff for probably the last don don’t know. It’s only like five years at the most, something like that. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 55s):

Wait, you gotta explain that ’cause the guys are like, what is it

Sean P. Holman (19m 57s):

Slapper? So, so, okay, so if you have a traditional, you know, hydraulic bump and usually the can has a a, a bracket that’s welded to the frame and that bump where it meets, usually it’s a, a rubber or a Dell RIN pad or something like that will hit the control arm and act as a bump stop. And it adds additional compression capacity to soak up any loads that are going into the chassis. With a, a slapper, it’s sort of interesting because the, the bump is mounted on the top, but then there’s also a mount toward the bottom, near the striking portion. But instead of it being free for it to just hit the, the control arm, there’s a second arm that goes and pivots on the control arm.

Sean P. Holman (20m 39s):

So it’s almost like a, a scissor or if you imagine like an L-shaped,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 43s):

It’s kind of cantilevered.

Sean P. Holman (20m 44s):

Yeah. It’s just, it’s hard to explain until you see one, but I would imagine it’s, it’s there to help control the loads going in and, and keep the suspension in really extreme stuff square with the striking pads and all that. I, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 59s):

Don’t, if only we had someone who might know the answer

Sean P. Holman (21m 1s):

To that next expert. you can explain that to us.

Chris Roes (21m 4s):

There’s a lot of reasons to, to use that style. It keeps your, your force, you know, direction, nice and controlled on that bump stop. I guess when You asked me about background before I, I’ve got a few buddies at Race Ultra Force, so you know, I’ve done some four length designs and air bumps and you, you always want to try to keep that air bump from not having a lot of scrub on it because when, when You start to put a lot of like side scrub force on those air bumps, you, you start to put a lot of load on the seals internally. So, you know, having that thing hit always nice and, and, and controlled and, and square, not not having a lot of like side linear scrub. You, you can get a lot smoother, you know, a force absorption and release and, and just less likelihood for mechanical, you know, fatigue internally.

Sean P. Holman (21m 49s):

Now that’s on a arm suspension. You guys partnered with basically Baja Hits. So the Bruell brothers who are huge in desert racing and Baja Hits is, is one of the best aftermarket companies out there when it comes

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 60s):

Isn’t, isn’t the Holman Brent’s node for chassis or they do the whole thing?

Chris Roes (22m 4s):

They do full race trucks. Okay. And, and then, you know, they, so that they have a whole fleet of, you know, trophy trucks and they’ve got driver programs and it’s really incredible system. And you look at what, what they offer to people to, to get the full experience.

Sean P. Holman (22m 19s):

And now you guys got have live valve, I see two solenoids, so I’m assuming that’s live valve on the compression and the rebound side.

Chris Roes (22m 25s):


Sean P. Holman (22m 26s):

So you 3.2 factory race series live valve shocks and then the 2.0 IFP bump stops. But what’s really interesting is Outback, you guys basically trashed the entire factory leaf sprung suspension and you worked with Dana to put a 60 in the back and as you said earlier, no Wheel spacers, it’s made specifically for the width of this truck. And you’ve got a new long travel multilink suspension with billet aluminum trailing arms also have Fox 3.2 race series live valve coil overs and 2.0 IFP bump stops and that’s the rear. And so that gives you 14 and a half inches of front travel, 15 and a half inches of usable rear travel.

Sean P. Holman (23m 9s):

My guess is you have more than that, but usable is probably without getting into anything, it’s not supposed to or stressing the drive train.

Chris Roes (23m 17s):

Oh, that’s the, that’s the, that is the actual travel of The truck. You know, we’ve done, you know, thorough physical analysis on, you know, the other contenders in the space and seeing that the, the true travel numbers aren’t necessarily what’s, you know, communicating literature. So those numbers are what you’ll physically get out of this truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 36s):

Do you have a mechanical engineering background, Chris?

Chris Roes (23m 39s):

Yes, yes I do.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 40s):

That’s kinda what I figured. So you, you just touched on a few things that you did. I’m going, I wanna

Sean P. Holman (23m 45s):

Rewind because you sound like an engineer and you just mentioned that you’re, you’ve got friends that race also four. I like you feel like you just offended him? No, did I? No, he sound no, he, no, he sounds like a well a cool guy who loves operating the desert who just happens to have an engineering degree. That too, you’re right. That’s exactly what I meant to say in that way. I figured, I figured that’s what you’re trying to say.

Chris Roes (24m 6s):

So, and ironically, I live in a flat Midwest, so all my friends around here are, they’re, they’re quite impressed by the experiences I get to take part in with my employment. So,

Sean P. Holman (24m 18s):

Well I just wanna make sure, I was pretty surreal. I felt like the way Lighting was describing you was you sitting in your, in your Fox Silverado with a, your helmet and also a short sleeve collared button up shirt with pencil protector full of pens and stuff in your front pocket. I mean, a little bit. Yeah, I mean, that’s not bad. That’s not what I was getting. It makes him look, it makes him sound smarter to our listeners. They picture him that way. Yeah, no, no, no. The the difference is he’s got a, he’s got a Dixon flannel with some pencils in it, you know what I’m saying? Got it, got it. Yeah, that’s what he’s got going on. No, the reason I ask Chris is you just kind of flippantly mentioned, oh, you know, I designed some four legged suspension systems for my buddies out at, you know, at, at the king of the Hammers.

Sean P. Holman (24m 58s):

What’s that about? Where it’s racing? No, not what that about, but that’s not what’s important here. We’re talking about the Fox truck. I’m curious, I wanna know more about Chris for a second. Like, I, I, how, how are you just designing suspension systems in your spare time?

Chris Roes (25m 11s):

So I didn’t design the suspension on this truck, obviously I had some influence in it with, you know, our, our team at Baja. Its and everything of what we needed on The truck. But personally, no, I’m, I’m a, I’m a engineer fabricator. I worked in a fabrication shop during junior college. That’s where I kind of got hooked on it. So I’ve got my own shop at home. I design and, and SolidWorks have a full chassis table in-house, CT plasma with tube under tube roller and just, just love taking nothing and making

Sean P. Holman (25m 38s):

Something So. it basically your typical garage. Yeah. No, not really. Yeah, nothing like our garages. So yeah. Got TIG and MIG and plasma you water Lighting Lighting has a Harbor Freight general toolbox that barely fits in his garage. How dare you. It’s from Home Depot. That’s about it. Yeah,

Chris Roes (25m 53s):

No shame on Harbor Freight. They’ve been stuffing up their game lately.

Sean P. Holman (25m 56s):

No, the icon stuff is good. We’ve talked about it a lot. Yes. I wanna go back to the, the suspension because one of the things that you guys have added is a controller to the left of the steering Wheel and it’s super rad, looks like it’s got a anodized knob, but basically what it allows you to do is it allows you to go between on road trail desert and custom settings and really dial in the suspension at just, you know, bring up a TRX or a Raptor for example, that have, you know, Baja mode and, and different modes. You guys are able to put those types of terrain modes into it. Now one of the things that I was reading is how these modules are all, there’s a chassis control module, they’re all talking to each other.

Sean P. Holman (26m 42s):

The Fox suspension is listening to what the chassis is doing and is adjusting the shocks on the fly. They’re semi-active. But what’s so fascinating to me is, is GM is, as we discussed earlier, is really hard when it comes to integrating modules with The truck. How did you guys get the semi-active suspension to work, right? And not have necessarily, you know, be fully tied into The truck. Is it reading anything from the truck’s canvas system at all? Or did you have to design it in a way where it is semi-autonomous on its own? It’s a

Chris Roes (27m 13s):

Little bit of all of that. We, we have an incredible team at Fox that has come up with this full standalone live valve control system. This, this truck has persistent sensors on all four corners. You know, it’s got the three access, it’s got accelerometers, it knows what this chassis is doing, what that suspension’s doing. It’s extremely intellectual, very situationally controlled, you know, with the on road trail desert, you know, so you can really pick what you want and then fine tune it with a knob on the right for comfort, balance and sport. And, and really what those are all doing is, is it’s adjusting how it reacts based on the position of the suspension.

Chris Roes (27m 56s):

We are listening to the can of the vehicle so we know, you know, what speed you’re going, your throttle control, your brake control, your steering control, you know, so So, it, it’s very adaptive as far as what you’re doing and, and, and reactive to what it needs to be based on what setting you have it in. So with with the dual live valve, it’s incredible. You really feel the difference in this thing. I’ve driven it a fair amount, very enjoyable experience

Sean P. Holman (28m 26s):

And I love that you guys have the big reservoirs with that are fin that seems to have become sort of the fox factory signature in the, in the past several years of those being the high end shocks. And they, they freaking look awesome. And the way that you have, you know, the, the suspension, the shocks, obviously you have to have ’em mounted in a certain way for them to work and the, and for the, the motion ratios to be right and all that kind of stuff. We, we get that and you had a little bit of leeway because you design the rear suspension so you can make the coil loader kind of do what they wanna do, but the fact that they’re peeking out of every corner of that truck, I mean, there’s not a, there’s not a view of that truck where you don’t see a, at least some piece of the suspension sort of winking back at you at, at what it is is is pretty cool.

Chris Roes (29m 8s):

It’s somewhat intentional, huh?

Sean P. Holman (29m 10s):

Almost like a suspension company wanted to highlight their product on a truck sitting on the ground. Sure,

Chris Roes (29m 15s):

Yeah. Yeah. This truck has nothing but the best of the best on it. It’s all the factory race, you know, like you said the, the fend reservoirs, you know, the, the dual hose compression rebound system on the live valve. We, we just wanted to give the consumer, you know, the the top shelf on this thing and I, I feel really did that. And you know, we’re talking about the feature set and you’re talking about, you know, the body panels, you know, as corny as this sounds, one of the most popular things that people love about it is the custom Wheel aligners that we did to really give this truck that round of off feel Yeah. Of an OE level, you know, specialty vehicle. We, we didn’t want a big, big mud gaps for things to collect or get caught in or things to damage, you know, wire harness and things of that sort.

Chris Roes (29m 55s):

So our, our, we have an incredible design team that has, you know, really been so thorough on those soup to nuts.

Sean P. Holman (30m 3s):

Now we talked about having the, the Dana 60 in the back. Obviously a a m is a big supplier to General Motors. You retain the a a m front differential, but go to a 3 73 gear to match the back and RCV Crow moley high travel cv, axle shafts, which is all great stuff. If I’m not mistaken, some versions of the Silverado, And Don don’t know if the RST is one of ’em, have an aluminum housing on that front differential. Is this one aluminum or cast iron? And is it something that you upgraded or did you find that the, the factory housing was good and strong enough to put up with all the power and, and the travel coming out of it?

Chris Roes (30m 41s):

That’s a great question. So these trucks can either come with a, an a a M SU four front diff or a GM version, SU five front diff. They’re both aluminum. But the problem with GM U five is you can’t revere it to a 3 73. So the SE four you can, and we have two test trucks that we’ve been pounding into the ground for, you know, the last two years and we have not had any front dip failures.

Sean P. Holman (31m 8s):

That’s pretty, pretty

Chris Roes (31m 9s):

Amazing that something that we, we, we really, we worried about that we thought about like maybe, you know, is there any chance we might have to put a cooler on this thing? You know, we, I worried about it.

Sean P. Holman (31m 16s):


Chris Roes (31m 16s):

Of temps on it getting warm. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (31m 17s):

I saw your pictures fully drooped out, you know, airing it out. And I was like, oh man, I know what front diff is in there. I I, I wonder, I wonder

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 25s):

How, how many did they blow out when they landed?

Sean P. Holman (31m 26s):

Yeah, it just, you know, but I mean that goes to show how good the geometry is of the front suspension. ’cause you’re staying within, you know, the limits of an aluminum housing front diff and they’re great for lightweight and they’re great for cooling. They’re not always great for strength. And I’ve, I’ve, I may have cracked a few in my day, which is why I might be sensitive to that.

Chris Roes (31m 45s):

Yeah, if you land on the juice, you never know what’s gonna happen, but Sure. You know, I can sometimes be up to the driver no matter what you have there. It might not live. But no, we’ve, we’ve really pushed this thing to the limit. We, on our one truck, we, we’ve done what we’ve deemed to be about 1.5 lifecycles and it’s held up incredibly well.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 5s):

I wanted to ask about the front bumper now I didn’t see the rear, I didn’t see a, a photo of the rear handy. But the front is tubular, it’s very Baja style and I I I’m curious what went into that because if you just told me about The truck and didn’t show me the bumper, I would assume that you’d have one more look like a DD like addictive desert designs, which is more plate steel, but

Sean P. Holman (32m 28s):

Elegant. Are you looking, are you looking close at that? Are you under, are you seeing what I’m seeing?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 33s):

I am looking at

Sean P. Holman (32m 34s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 35s):

Top. No, I see all

Sean P. Holman (32m 35s):

The, all the sensors are integrated.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 37s):

Yeah, I, I see that and I, I’m good. I’m getting there. So it’s a beautiful bumper. I am a little surprised that they chose that Baja look, that tubular DOM style as opposed to something. And I am just curious what’s, what’s behind that.

Chris Roes (32m 50s):

You know, that was, that was a big discussion internally when we were developing, you know, the, the, the armor for this. We use, you know, the, the sheet metal style bumpers on a lot of our other builds. So we’re definitely very familiar with those. This being a pre-runner, we, we wanted to kind of change it up and do a little bit of our own. We, we didn’t wanna go full sheet metal, we didn’t wanna go full tube. We didn’t wanna just have a two with a moon skid plate underneath it. We wanted to do a little bit of both. And we really wanna be really intentional about what we put where, hence those holes. So you can see the reservoirs, you can allow air to come through there. Cooling all of our vehicles were, were extremely good at integrating, you know, park sensors. You know, we, we’ve got custom molded rear cross traffic covers, you know, in the rear bumper.

Chris Roes (33m 34s):

There’s no interference. Everything works as it should. We, we do full testing on these systems. So, you know, the, the whole intent is so when the consumer goes on the lot and they buy this truck, you know, they get the same quality experience out of our vehicle as they would any other vehicle on that lot.

Sean P. Holman (33m 50s):

Yeah, no lights. Your four collision warning works, your adaptive cruise control works. All the things that you would expect from a a, a premium price truck. And, when you look at it, it’s cool because you know your body work for the fenders, it really frames the factory grill. But then you go down to kind of this inset tubular bumper, but it sort of just hints at that pre runner. It’s not overtly that, which is really cool. And then of course you can see the cooling stack behind it, like the, the intercooler for the Whipple and you guys have added the, the, the customary three center mounted lights for being over 80 inches. So it has that look on there as well, although it’s done a little bit differently than, than some of the competition.

Sean P. Holman (34m 33s):

And then I wanna go back. So six two V eight Whipple supercharger, gen five, 700 horse, 640 pound P torque. You guys are using the 10 speed automatic. And then this comes with the auto track two speed transfer case. So that means you got auto four Wheel drive two, Wheel drive four high and four low, which means that you can use it in four Wheel drive on the road in snow, in the sand and then lock it in four high if you need that. Of course four low. I I can imagine that you probably have a pretty decent crawl ratio of three 70 threes and that 10 speed, ’cause that tends speed has a pretty low first gear as well. So not only can it go fast, I’m assuming it doesn’t have any problem crawling over obstacles as well.

Chris Roes (35m 12s):

No, this, this truck has gone over everything that we’ve wanted to go over it in the field testing and you know, even at high speed climbing through the mountains, it has, you know, it’s not chasing gears, it’s not shifting err radically, you know, you can really haul the mail with it and it, and you don’t realize how fast you’re going So it, it, you know, it goes fast. Go slow, does everything really well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 35s):

Does it have a TCM calibration on it or is that stock?

Chris Roes (35m 38s):

It’s all stock TCM and that’s something that we are concerned about, but we, ’cause because there’s some, you know, from what we’re told, some accessibility issues on, on some of those, but we haven’t seen any things that we dislike in it. We’re, we’re not seeing any, any erratic shift or, you know, holding a gear too long or, you know, anything. So we were able to dispel that and yeah, they was just tune the, the the engine.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 3s):

So bottom line is it’s, it’s holding the 700 horsepower no problem.

Chris Roes (36m 7s):

Yep, yep. And that’s, you know, we noticed that our transmission temps were getting a little high in the summer heat and aggressive desert testing. So, you know, along with the added supercharger heat exchanger up front, there’s about a 200% sized upgraded transmission cooler up front as well. Ah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 23s):


Sean P. Holman (36m 23s):

We go. And speaking of heat, I noticed that out of the six nacho LED lights, excuse me, eight nacho LED lights on the front, you’re putting 60,000 available lumens out of the front of that thing. I mean that’s a lot. I I’m sure you can feel the heat just standing in front of that sucker with lights on.

Chris Roes (36m 41s):

Yeah, it, it really lights it up. Well the, the nacho guys have been excellent to work with. We did a full Lighting array analysis on the front of this thing. If you, if you maybe looked at like Justin, Justin Lofton’s Instagram, when they outfitted his trophy truck, they did the same thing with him. So we, we asked to have the same opportunity and we were able to strategically place, there’s four combo lights that are spot flooded. You know, each option of those are controlled with the, you know, one of the two switches inside and then there’s two dedicated spotlights and then there’s two SAE fog lights as well. So, and they all have cover. So if you’re in a state that you have to cover your

7 (37m 18s):

California Lighting, that’s cow here, right here.

Chris Roes (37m 22s):

It’s really easy to do. And that’s what’s really cool about the nachos is they’re super easy to do and you can either make ’em amber or you can make ’em black.

Sean P. Holman (37m 29s):

And then you guys also touch the interior as well. There’s, I mean the, the pattern that you have on, it’s really cool. It’s a mixture of like a light gray, a charcoal, a black with red piping. It just looks super nice, especially with the, the Fox factory logo in the seat backs. You guys have of course the, the serial data plate on there as well. And so the interior wasn’t an afterthought. It definitely got a little nod. So, you know, while you’re driving it or whoever jumps in your truck realizes that it’s something special. And then you guys are also offering optional two bed mounted spares and I was looking at it, so Lighting don don’t know if you saw what the, the price point is of this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 8s):

I was just scrolling down to the bottom of fox factory truck dot com and came upon that six digit number that

Sean P. Holman (38m 16s):

Would be, it starts with a two. Yep. 2 0 9 9 9. And actually what I was curious is, I, I don’t think that that’s a, a horrible price at all considering what you get on The truck. I was actually like, okay, but that’s, I can see that What I was really curious about is that says the estimated starting MSRP. Yes. So I’m kind of curious, what are the options on this? If somebody gets the base version of it, what’s the difference between that and the, the high end version and what’s the difference in price on that? Do you know? And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 43s):

Will you be offering this in a DURMAX 2,500?

Chris Roes (38m 47s):

That’d be really cool. Yeah, so I mean the options are really, you know, you can do a single or dual single or dual tire carrier. They both, they can swap right out the, the base mount stays affix to the vehicle. We bolt through the bed because if you know anything about GM beds, they do not top bolt. They, they bolt through the bottom. You know, if you try to clamp to that corrugation, you’re just gonna rip the bed apart

Sean P. Holman (39m 8s):

As, as we have seen on the gram from many people who have tried that and have failed at it. Yeah.

Chris Roes (39m 14s):

Yep. So there’s a lot of thought that went into how we’re gonna do this and make it look good, make it last. So you can easily swap that out, upgrade it. One thing I wanted to mention really quick and kind of go back is, you know, with our Lighting control system, there’s three ox mounting locations on The truck for, for the user to add, you know, additional accessories. There’s oxa, there’s an OX harness that goes to both sides in the rear bed. So, if you want add like, you know, rear Lighting, there’s a 25 amp available ox hookup in that front center bumper area. So you can fill in that, you know, kind of open spot we left that as some low hanging fruit for, for upgrades. And then there’s another OX hookup up by the twin screw a RE compressor up in the passenger side front fender area.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 0s):

So 210 grand for this truck

Sean P. Holman (40m 4s):

Starting at, so starting at, so where, where can we get it? What, what’s the, what’s the high end of that, Chris?

Chris Roes (40m 9s):

That’s not necessarily my, my cup of tea. The, the the sales side of things. So, you know, like I said, I’m a, I’m just a boring engineer, but from what I’ve heard, there’s some preferred dealers where if you go through those, you, you won’t, you will get it. At MSRP, we have a very responsive sales team. So if you, you know, inquire about ownership there on that link and submit your information, they will get back with you properly answer all of your questions. If, if it’s something they don’t know, they’re gonna come ask me or one of the other members on the team and, and get you everything you need to know about The truck to feel confident in your purchase. So I, I think you’ll have the ability to buy it M-M-S-R-P and then, you know, if that opportunity’s not there, you know, it could be subject to dealer markup as well.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 52s):

So there’s a big reserve now button in orange at fox factory truck dot com and we were hearing that you were going to make 500 units. Could it extend beyond that?

Chris Roes (41m 4s):

It was a push to get 500 for this first year. We were actually looking at less than that, but there’s so much enthusiasm over this thing internally that, you know, we felt, you know, well let’s go after 500. So I think we’re gonna be tapped out at 500 on, you know, the 2024 option. We’ll have to, we’ll have to see what the future holds, you know, after that though.

Sean P. Holman (41m 26s):

So we, we talked about some of the, the partners obviously, you know, Fox being the, the key brand that you would have on this being a Fox factory build. We talked about Whipple in Dana also comes with a boless stainless steel exhaust, BFG alter terrain, KO twos, we talked about the method with bead grips, nacho lights, and then looking at the, the pictures, the way the carbon fiber peaks out behind the paint and the graphics, especially on the bed is really cool.

Chris Roes (41m 57s):

That is one of our, my favorite things. When, when people see that when they’re walking by it, they literally stop and freeze in their tracks. So the whole center area of the hood is show carbon reveal. Nice. There’s a jewel on the Yeah, the, the up on the hood. There’s, you know, an injection mold event. There’s a, a show carbon what we call a jewel there. And then yeah, there’s, there’s two show carbon accent stripes along with the fox factory decal and it is just incredible.

Sean P. Holman (42m 29s):

The aerial view of The truck is gorgeous and you see just how wide it is. What kind of truck do you have to be in to get a higher view of this thing in the air or do you think they took that picture while jumping this truck next to its twin? I don’t no, they aired it out that happened. No, no. don don’t think that happened. Low flying airplane. Yeah, no. This Is

Chris Roes (42m 49s):

One of the other two in the reveal video. This Is

Sean P. Holman (42m 51s):

Sexy. Now I do see, I do see a, a sunroof in this and I’m curious, there has been debate over Sunroofs and off-road trucks. Did you have any feelings of going with a truck with a sunroof or not? I, I don’t think they can get that. RST without one. don don’t I don know. Is that think that’s standard? Oh it is. Okay. Sometimes on those high trim trucks, you just, you get ’em the way you get ’em and that’s gotcha. That’s, and that’s it. And This Is

Chris Roes (43m 16s):

A I personally prefer one. I think it’s really nice. So,

Sean P. Holman (43m 18s):

So Chris, will The truck get an official name or is it just going to be the Fox factory truck? Because if there’s another one that will also be the Fox factory truck, and then you’ll have four or five different trucks that are all the Fox factory trucks. So will this get a nickname?

Chris Roes (43m 34s):

It does have an internal project nickname, but you know, as far as you know,

Sean P. Holman (43m 42s):

And what, what is that internal project nickname? It’s not the Lightning. I pay that. No, I’m sure it’s not.

Chris Roes (43m 48s):

No, it’s, so yeah, the, the internal project nickname for The truck is called BLT, but it doesn’t stand for the sandwich. But we, we all, we all, we all, we all joke that way. And, and that’s, that’s something that we really wanna do and I hope we can do. We, we really wanted to put some Easter eggs on it and we kind of ran out of time. So I’m, I’m still ruffling some feathers trying to make it happen. Good

Sean P. Holman (44m 9s):

Man. Got it. I, I had to ask because I, I worked for banks and for many, many years, Gale Banks had the trademark side winder for a vehicle and recently we let it lapse and guess who registered that trademark Fox factory. So I thought they’re gonna come out with a side wander, they’re gonna snake it from us. See what I did there? Yeah, I did. I, yeah, and,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 31s):

And they and they, they didn’t, although that would’ve been cool.

Sean P. Holman (44m 33s):

You don’t know that yet, don don’t know that. Maybe, maybe they will. I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 35s):

Hoping that Chris spills

Sean P. Holman (44m 36s):

The beans. Well, here’s the thing though, Fox factory truck dot com, they’re only talking about the 2024 Silverado. He said there’s 504 20, 24 if you caught ’em. So what I wanna know is, Hey Chris, what you working on now that you, I mean it’s three years of your life or whatever you spent on this, I’m guessing that you’re not unemployed now.

Chris Roes (44m 54s):

No, no. Still plenty busy. You know, I, I thought I’d feel a little relief after this thing debuted yesterday, but it’s really just kind of, you know, you know, just to kind of accelerated. We’ve got some really cool things we’re working on, you know, obviously can’t say, but I would, I would tell you

Sean P. Holman (45m 12s):

That, I mean, you could but

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 13s):

Worse, worse, he won’t. He’s not

Chris Roes (45m 15s):

Gonna, I might not, I might not be employed though. I might not be employed. You’ll probably be talking to somebody else next year,

Sean P. Holman (45m 21s):

But, well, I guess that no info’s embargoed for now.

Chris Roes (45m 25s):

It’s worth staying. Carl.

Sean P. Holman (45m 29s):

Well, congratulations on putting this thing together. It looks badass. Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to get out to the desert with you guys last week to, to drive it. Carter did give me the invite, but he said there may be some other drives coming up, so hopefully I get to catch up with you in person and check it out. But from everything I saw in the stories and, and friends of mine that were out there, this thing is not only a beast, but a really impressive level of integration for an aftermarket company. Everybody said how how much, it just feels like a, a factory build. And that’s no small compliment considering how many facets of this vehicle that you guys touched. It’s, it’s pretty unbelievable.

Chris Roes (46m 8s):

Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we, we really wanted to try to make that happen last week and understand that, you know, with such short notice, but there, there will definitely be opportunities in the future. They’ve got a really stacked schedule over the next few months on this project, and we, we’ll, we’re, we’re gonna be starting to run these things down the production line real soon. And, and honestly, I, I’m just, I can’t wait to just see a whole flock of them just running around So it, it’s gonna be just a, a, a sight to see.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 35s):

Do you anticipate YouTubers? I mean, you have to, right? Someone’s gonna get all three of the super trucks and put ’em side by side and, and, and huck ’em, race ’em, all that. What do you anticipate knowing what you know about this truck?

Chris Roes (46m 48s):

No, I, I hope they do. You know, we might have done a little bit of that our own, so, but you know, the, the each, each contender in this space, they all have their pros and their cons. They’re all really nice trucks. I I enjoy driving all of ’em. There’s, there’s certain things that you see where they shine in one area and they don’t in the other, one thing you’re gonna notice about this truck is that it’s gonna take those medium to big hits really? Well, you know, it’ll suck up a little stuff, you know, also, but we’re, you might see yourself fencing up in the other trucks with this truck. You’re not gonna need to do that.

Sean P. Holman (47m 28s):

Interesting. It’ll go through that So. It’s not like riding in Ryan Aero’s trophy truck where you think it’s gonna be a marshmallow and he’s hitting 36 inch, whoops, at 150 miles an hour and you can barely keep your arms in your lap and you’re going this This Is violent. Are you speaking for personal experiences? Oh yeah. Maybe, maybe. Was that obvious? Specific? Yes. Yeah, yeah. So you’re saying This Is more comfortable than that?

Chris Roes (47m 49s):

Yeah, it’s, it, it’s, you know, I actually got my first ride in the trophy truck last week and holy cow can’t even put that into words, dude. The level, it’s, it’s not what

Sean P. Holman (47m 58s):

If, if, if I’m not, if I’m not, you know, taking the words out of your mouth and I want to, I, I do wanna hear your experience, but for me, my whole life has been watching trophy trucks. My whole, like that’s, I, I’m like, I’ve been amazed. I finally get a chance to ride in one. And you’re thinking, yeah, this thing is just gonna 36 inches of travel. It’s soaking up everything. It was amazing. Go, don’t get me wrong, the level of capability is unreal. The amount of violence that comes with that. Also. Unreal.

Chris Roes (48m 23s):

It is pretty incredible. You know, I’ve got a, you know, I’ve got a turbo R four seater, you know, with the, you know, the three oh IBP Fox shocks on it. You know, I’ve, I’ve mobbed that thing out in the desert, you know, on Johnson Valley. You know, I, I’ve built some high power, you know, rock crawl buggies. I, I love that adrenaline rush of the horsepower and the suspension and just hitting everything. When I got in there with The truck. The first thing I told ’em, I said, do your thing. Don’t hold back. Don’t worry about me. You know? And when I jokingly with other people, you know, I heard people like, you know, it might make you sick. I’m like, well, yeah, please make me throw open the helmet. You know,

Sean P. Holman (48m 56s):


Chris Roes (48m 57s):

I, I, I want the whole experience. I’ve

Sean P. Holman (48m 59s):

Also done that

Chris Roes (48m 59s):

And it was not, yeah,

Sean P. Holman (49m 2s):

It’s gross. I don. I don’t recommend it. It’s super disgusting Holman for future conversations. Yeah. Don’t put that out there. I mean, it’s, I don’t think you should say that. No. It’s, it’s part, it’s part of my journey. That’s, that’s Then you’re gonna tell us you got hit with, who was the driver that hit you with all the bushes through the, the windshield? It was Josh, Josh Hall. Oh, it was, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I also puked in his truck, except I tried to save it and didn’t get my visor up fast enough. And half of it went in my, into my helmet and in my beard. The other half of it went all over the inside of his, like data logger. Oh. And meats and everything. But the cool thing about barfing on yourself in the desert, no, there’s nothing cool about bar. No. Everything, it dries up super quick. It just becomes like vomit mud and it’s fine. Oh well I’m gonna go see Vomit Mud after we get off this phone call.

Sean P. Holman (49m 44s):

I’m sure. I’m sure you are. Yeah. They’re playing the Troubadour. Yeah, I’m sure you are. And yeah, it’s, it’s super gross and it smells horrible. But I will tell you, that was a proud moment of my life when Josh said, great, we gotta go to the pits. ’cause some stupid media guy barfed in my truck. you, I’m like, dude, I feel great. We’re racing. He goes, seriously? I’m like, yeah. Ended up earning a seat into his Baja 1000 race and we won our class that year. So wait a minute. Wait. Baring your helmet, dude. Wait, hold on. Say you, you barfed. And then he let, not only did were keep you on the team, but he let you go more. We did the terrible two 50. Yeah. And he was gonna pull into the pits because he’s like, oh dude. And I’m like, no, we’re racing. Like, don’t worry about me. I feel fine now. And he is like, serious. Okay. And we won that race and he probably wouldn’t have run well won if he had to pull over to pit the jettison my ballast butt out of The truck.

Sean P. Holman (50m 29s):

And so he rewarded me with giving me a seat in, in his Hummer, his stock full for Baja in 2005 we won our class. Wow. So, wow. Like I said, bar fitting your helmet just, just

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 42s):

No, no. It

Sean P. Holman (50m 43s):

Can lead to great things. That’s all I’m saying. Chris

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 45s):

Did not know he was gonna be, you got out on

Chris Roes (50m 46s):

Your system.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 47s):

Chris did not know he was gonna be talking about barf on this episode. Well,

Sean P. Holman (50m 50s):

I mean, we’re not talking about catheters and holes drills on the floor yet. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 53s):

True. Let’s not go there.

Sean P. Holman (50m 55s):

Also, part of the magic that happens in desert racing, oh, there’s

Chris Roes (50m 58s):

All kinds of great things in the racing for sure.

Sean P. Holman (50m 60s):

Just, just remember Chris to tape up the, the catheter around your calf. So nobody does the snap on you when You walk away. ’cause that hurts.

Chris Roes (51m 10s):

Oh no, thank you on that one. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 11s):

Not that you would know ’cause how would you know? Oh no,

Sean P. Holman (51m 13s):

It never happened to me. ’cause I had good friends that warned me ahead of time. Oh really? Oh yeah. ’cause when You cut it to a length, ’cause there’s certain length ’cause people are tall and short, some people leave the tail hanging out. And I’m just saying if you’re cotton ba with the tail hanging outta your race suit and somebody just happens to stand on it and you walk away.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 27s):

Oh, ouch. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (51m 29s):

So, so let it be a lesson to you kids. Put that, that medical tape gauze right around your calf and it stops that shock wave from going any higher. You’re, you’re welcome. Uncle Sean says, you’re welcome. What, how

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 38s):

Many people are you talking to right now? How many people are you broadcasting that advice to to

Sean P. Holman (51m 42s):

Oh yeah. Listen, if this advice helps you truck show podcast at gmail dot com. Lightning wants to hear from you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 49s):

So I guess depending on how this debut goes of the Fox factory truck,

Sean P. Holman (51m 54s):

So far pretty good.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 55s):

You will decide on whether you’re gonna make more or maybe change it up with a different vehicle. I guess we don’t know yet. We’ll have to wait and see. In the meantime guys.

Chris Roes (52m 4s):

Yeah, there’s a lot of discussion going on. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 6s):

In the meantime, guys, go to fox factory truck dot com and push that orange Reserve now button and drop 209,000 duckets. Then

Sean P. Holman (52m 14s):

Drop a bunch of pictures, Lightning at truck show podcast dot com and that email and let him feel all the jealous rage of you supporting your Fox factory Silverado, because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 25s):

I might, Chris, congratulations on this This Is. Very, very cool. Well

Sean P. Holman (52m 29s):

Hopefully I’ll get a, a ride when it Oh down goes back to SoCal and we’ll get some seat time in it and we’ll be able to, if Chris is out there, I’ll grab some audio and we will, we’ll take a ride together hopefully. Heck yeah, that’d

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 38s):

Be awesome. Absolutely

Chris Roes (52m 39s):

A hundred percent. Let’s make it happen.

Sean P. Holman (52m 41s):

Love it. Right on man. Well we, we appreciate you carving out the time to spend with us and super stoked on The truck. Can’t wait to get our grubby paws on it. And again, just congratulations. I know you’ve put years worth of work into this and it’s probably pretty exciting for you to finally be able to talk about and show the world what you’ve been working on.

Chris Roes (52m 58s):

Yeah, the excited, the entire team was just stoked to, to finally be able to, you know, you know, tell their families, tell their friends, you know, what they’ve been holding back. So, you know, a lot of really great talented people that made this happen. So just, you know, extremely proud to be a part of it with them and yeah, can’t wait to, can’t wait to show y’all what’s next.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 17s):

Congrats Chris. We’ll talk to you soon. Thank you. Thank you.

Chris Roes (53m 19s):

Alright, thanks dude. Okay, take care guys. All right, bye.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 23s):

Holman. Are we happy that we don’t pay our phone bill based on the number of calls we get to the Five Star Hotline after

Sean P. Holman (53m 30s):

This week? Dude, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 31s):

This Is would’ve cost a fortunes,

Sean P. Holman (53m 32s):

You know, I get a notification when people call.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 35s):


Sean P. Holman (53m 35s):

I didn’t know that. But I made it used to ring on my phone and sometimes I would answer, I’d be like, oh yeah. Hello. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah, you’re supposed I’m not supposed to answer. And then I realized why. So I still get a notification. It just doesn’t ring me to where I’m like blindly answering and talking. Right, right. To randos who listen to our show. I mean our, our listeners who listen to our show, they’re not

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 51s):

Randos and

Sean P. Holman (53m 52s):

How dare you? No, this, this, this past couple weeks, man, you guys have been pretty prolific. Something has made them wanna contact us over and over and over. It could be

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 0s):

Their hatred and disdain. For me, it’s possible.

Sean P. Holman (54m 3s):

Dover, Dover

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 4s):

6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5 is the Five Star Hotline.

9 (54m 9s):

Oh, come on. And be part of the show called the Five Star Hotline 6 5 7 2 0 5 6 1 0 5. It’s the Five Star Hotline Five Star Hotline

10 (54m 26s):

Lightning and Whole Bog. Just wanted to, you know, give you a quick clap for all the good work that you guys have been doing. This last Have You Heard segment. We’re talking about the 3 92 going away and PRXV eight going away and all the V eights going away. So how does it feel to know that you guys lasted longer than a V eight and a Jeep? How does that feel? Because I mean, remember I remember you guys telling us the news that they were getting the V eight and now it’s gone. So congratulations on outlasting America’s V eight in a Jeep.

Sean P. Holman (55m 9s):

Oh wow. That’s, that’s an interesting question. I never thought I would hear it posed that way. It actually has me thinking of all the other things that we’ve outlasted in our six years of doing this show. Like what we’ve outlasted death

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 23s):


Sean P. Holman (55m 24s):

Death failure. Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 26s):

You saying that we’ve beaten presidencies,

Sean P. Holman (55m 29s):

We have outlasted presidencies, we’ve outlasted Cummins v eights. Yes we did. Oh, we’ve outlasted the warranty on one of our favorite trucks. We’ve

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 39s):

Outlasted You said Cummins. We’ve also outlasted their ability to dodge the EPA.

Sean P. Holman (55m 44s):

Oh, okay. I guess, I guess that’s something as well. Yeah. don don’t know. How do we feel? I feel like I was fortunate enough to be able to pick one of those things up because otherwise I would be sitting here going, dammit I missed my chance. And I look at all the things over time where I’ve been like, oh man, I wish, I wish I would’ve gotten one of those. Oh damn,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 3s):

I wish I would’ve invested in Nvidia.

Sean P. Holman (56m 6s):

Whatever. Yeah, whatever. And I feel like this time suckers didn’t pass me up. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 11s):

I, I feel that same way. And I’m glad that I listened to you because I don’t know that I would’ve given it that much thought. So I think I, I have a Holman to thank for that purchase decision. Much of it anyway.

10 (56m 23s):

Hey Lightning Holman, it’s Mike Boyle. Just sure you’ve probably got more than one call on it. The last episode, the guy driving through Montana talking about the Unibody Ford truck. I hate to break it to him, but it is a body on frame as well. It was also, the unibody version was never available in four Wheel Drive, but the exact same chassis was available in four Wheel Drive. So. it is a truck just like the U, the El Camino is a truck lower the Suckage and five star

Sean P. Holman (56m 55s):

Mike Boyle coming through

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 57s):

Lower the

10 (56m 58s):


11 (56m 59s):

Five star review. Five star.

Sean P. Holman (57m 2s):

Ooh, that reminds me, I was talking to Emmy and she was like, when am I gonna be in your stupid show again? Or something to that effect. And I’m like, don don’t know. Let’s make it happen. So we need to have, we haven’t talked to Emmy in a while.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 11s):

Did she? Just did something crazy

Sean P. Holman (57m 13s):

Recently? She’s always doing something

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 14s):

Crazy recently. Well we didn’t talk to her. Did we talk to her after King of the Hammers?

Sean P. Holman (57m 19s):

I don’t remember. Oh man. It looks like Mike left us a follow-up voicemail.

10 (57m 25s):

Hey, it’s Mike Boyle again. Just some more stupid, useless facts about what the car and what The truck. We already determined that the El Camino’s The truck, because it’s got a body on frame. Early Ford Uni bodies were a truck ’cause they’re body on frame. Then we get to the ranchero. The first generation 57 to 59 was body on frame truck. Then from 60 till 71 it was a unibody.

Sean P. Holman (57m 52s):

Not necessarily not a truck.

10 (57m 53s):

72 to 79. It was a truck. It was body on frame again. Truck. So what does that make that thing? Just curious. Anyway, five stars. Yeah buddy.

12 (58m 6s):

Congratulations. You have earned five stars.

13 (58m 10s):

Yeah buddy.

Sean P. Holman (58m 11s):

All right. So just for people at home keeping score. So the, we’ve determined that a truck needs to be three of these five things. It needs to be body on frame. It needs to have an open cargo compartment for carrying loads. It needs to have a bed that is separate from the cab. It needs to have a longitudinally mounted engine. And it needs to have the ability for that chassis to have four Wheel drive. So when

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 39s):

Did we decide that it was three was enough

Sean P. Holman (58m 42s):

When we first did this game?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 44s):

Oh, it was arbitrary.

Sean P. Holman (58m 46s):

It seemed like years ago. Well it was the majority, it was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 48s):

Six years ago. Because

Sean P. Holman (58m 49s):

We, we used the Honda Ridge line as the litmus test for that. Oh you’re right. And we decided that Honda Ridgeline could no way be a truck. Right. So that definitely skewed how we Gotcha. Set the rules up because we, we don’t like minivans with beds. Although it, it does drive nice. I like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 5s):

How we just said we don’t like the ridgeline. So anything that describes the ridgeline is out.

Sean P. Holman (59m 10s):

Well but then this thing is outta date now. Right. Because like let’s say a rivian or a cyber truck. Mm. Body on frame I believe. Yes. ’cause they’re on a skateboard open bed to the cab or to the, to the air. Yes. Bed separate from the cab on either of ’em. No, no longitudinally mounted. No, no. But four Wheel drive. Yes. So that would’ve make S and cyber trucks. Trucks.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 30s):

Trucks. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (59m 31s):

Hmm. So anyway, that makes our bogus list less bog relevant. don don’t know. I may have. Does it need to be changed from modern times? Do we need to say EVs are excluded from the longitudinal test? I don’t know. Listen, This Is an imperfect science people. Why are you yelling at me? It is the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 48s):

Five Star Hotline 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5 5 star.

14 (59m 52s):

Five star Five Star

Sean P. Holman (59m 54s):


10 (59m 57s):

Hello This Is. Justin Cox from Chico. I was listening to your latest Have You Heard with the know your notes. And when the, the seven three came on, I was like man that really sounds like a seven three. And you guys were thinking it was a Cummins and I was like man that really sounds like a seven three. My dad had a 99 F 3 57 3 that was straight piped. And my grandpa has a 2001 phone stock and I was like, man, this sounds really sounds like a seven three. So that was cool. It was seven three. Keep it up. And Ian Johnson for president. Talk to you later.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 36s):

Okay. I don’t think he can be president as a Canadian, so maybe I forgot. He as Canadian as Premier.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 42s):

Interesting. Huh?

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 43s):

Is that what they are over there Premier? No, no,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 45s):

No, no, no. What’s what’s the guy that everyone hates up there? Trudeau.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 48s):

Trudeau. Yeah. No, no, no, no. But what’s the what? He’s not a, they’re not Presidents up there are they? No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 51s):

They’re not presidents. What is he? Look that up.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 54s):

No, no. Prime minister. Prime

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 56s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 56s):

Prime minister. So yes. Ian Johnson for Prime Minister of Canada.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 60s):

6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5.

10 (1h 1m 3s):

Lightning for the sticker. Just put B six powered add Proud to it. Maybe I’ll make a think about it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 12s):

B six powered. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 14s):

Interesting. Okay. They would look at it and go A T Rx with a V six. We don’t want that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 17s):

Yeah, we don’t want that. Oh it’s a RHO

10 (1h 1m 20s):

Lightning and Holman Colby here on Lightning’s whole sticker question. I think they’re all kind of like so-so, and nothing was like really jumping out at me. I have two other ideas for you. Maybe put a sticker on the back window that says something like this truck identifies as an a Mt pacer or this truck identifies as Prius. Right? Like I think that one would work. Or you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 46s):

Can, how are those gonna work? Like they’re, it doesn’t identify It’s a what? It’s A

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 51s):

TRX. No, no, but it identifies as a Prius. They don’t, which by the way is badass So close. Which, which Prius so close. You’re you the new one. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 0s):

Know but what if you’re saying it identifies as like a 2005 Prius which is

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 4s):

Ay Exactly.

10 (1h 2m 6s):

Just do like break in unsuccessful break in attempts and then just do like a bunch of flash marks because this isn’t gonna be the last time. So don don’t know every time you had to buy a new sticker, but you can have an extra, you know, tally mark added up there. But anyway, keep up the good work guys. And five stars

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 25s):

Tally marks on how many breakins you have. You know, we should do that sucks. You should have five

11 (1h 2m 29s):

Star review. Five stars.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 32s):

What should I have? You should have somebody make up a sticker that looks like a shattered window. That way it looks like it’s broken already but unsuccessfully. Well then they would just walk up and then just try to push it in like it would and then they would realize it’s not broken and then it’d break it. Geez.

10 (1h 2m 44s):

Lightning in Holman This Is tri from Ohio. I listen you guys show all the time currently in my Freightliner big rigs.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 53s):

Man that thing’s quiet for a Freightliner. I would’ve thought that thing had all sorts of noise. It’s that thing’s damn near silent. What if he’s at a rest stop? Oh maybe but he does say he’s driving Pennsylvania. Alright, are you driving quieter than I thought it would be Anyway,

10 (1h 3m 7s):

I listened to the latest know your notes episode and I must say I’m very ashamed even though I didn’t know most of them. There was one I was ashamed of you guys on that was the seven three Coleman’s over there saying, oh it sounds so much like a straight six. Sounds like a cu nothing like that. Maybe that’s why I recognized it. But I must say I heard it and I saw seven three power stroke immediately and I’m sitting over there just hitting the steering Wheel because you guys just didn’t know it. I’m ashamed.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 43s):

Well you wouldn’t be the first one. Bye

10 (1h 3m 45s):

Star. See you later.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 46s):

You don’t have the market corner of being ashamed of us. I did think that you would get that one right away. Okay. Can I just point out a couple things? Well first off he asked for five stars. Congratulations. You have earned five stars. Oh despite the fact did not earn five stars despite the fact that yeah totally. Guys, when we’re guessing, we have to tell you we don’t read ahead so we get stuff wrong. We suck at this. The fact that we get things as right as we do is a freaking miracle of nature. Like that’s not normal. And the, I also have to say I love that you guys are playing along and actually like emotionally damaged because we guessed wrong and that you’re mad enough to leave voicemails. I love that. Keep doing that. He sit there in his freight liner going bad, bang it on his dashboard.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 30s):

We can all have off days lighting’s deaf most of the time. He has a horrible case of tinnitus. So everything sounds like there’s a turbo whistling in there somewhere. What’s that? And yeah, are we still live? Is this on? Hello? Hello? Hello. Hello, hello. So I got the seven three wrong. I’m sorry. All right. But hey you guys loved it. Anyway,

10 (1h 4m 49s):

Hey boys, This Is, Kevin from Texas. I’ve got a tire question for you in need of some help. I got a 21 Z 71 Suburban. We use it to haul around the family mostly, you know, pull a axle trailer, get the boat in and out, you know, the boat ramp, that type of thing. My wife wanted a more aggressive tire. So I’ve been looking at the BF good wrench all terrain, TOKO twos and the open country a T threes. I’m just asking out of those two. Or maybe you have a different solution or a different suggestion. I’m always excited to hear you guys’ opinions. All right, five stars, thanks for the help.

10 (1h 5m 29s):


11 (1h 5m 30s):

Five star review. Bye star

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 32s):

Man. Any is getting overtime, thank god we don’t pay for every time we play that drop. Yeah, so 21 Z 71 Suburban. So it’s it’s trailer hauler, family hauler gets you boat ramps. It needs a good tractional, more

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 47s):

Aggressive, occasional off-road. He wants to, I mean he says my wife wanted dirt, a more aggressive tire

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 52s):

So I’m sure dirt road or muddy road when when it rains, whatever.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 56s):

I have experience with the a t threes on our Ford at work and both Fords at work have the a t threes and they’re quiet and they’re grippy. I’ve driven them with them in the sand, in the snow and they’re, they’re wonderful tires. I’m really happy with ’em. I don’t have any experience with the KO twos and the coming soon KO threes Holman.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 18s):

So I have lots of experience with the KO twos, hundreds of thousands of miles on those things. Still one of my favorite tires. Quiet. Great. The KO threes coming out soon, we’ll have some more information on that. But the initial direct replacement sizes will be launching in a month or so. So you might wanna hang out for a KO three. There might be something in your size. Open country a t threes. Awesome. If you want something a little bit more aggressive than that, consider the the open country RT Trail Trails. Yeah. RT Trails or the other one that I’ve been really a fan of lately are the Falcon Wild Peak rts and they have their new at t four Ws I believe that just launched and that’s also a great tire.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 59s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 59s):

And they’ve got the rt, the Falcon Wild Peak. Those are, yeah, the rts we just put on Brian Shaw world’s strongest man’s excursion. Great

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 6s):

Looking tread pattern and a really good, yeah. Yeah And those are kind of my favorites of like when people want an all terrain. I kinda like, you know, the BFGs kinda like the old stalwart that you can never go wrong with. The toyos are really high quality, tire quiet handle, well ride nice and and durable last long super round. And Falcon is sort of that like overbuilt tire that isn’t gonna let you down. Really great off road, you know, really not susceptible to a lot of punctures or sidewall issues. You gotta

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 37s):

Choose one or two like lightning’s gonna go. ’cause I have the open country RT trails on the T Rx and I’m happy as a clam with those

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 46s):

Holman. What makes a clam happy?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 48s):

I I, because the clam looks like he’s smiling when You add an angle, right? That’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 52s):

Weird because the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 52s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 53s):

I think that’s just a guess. Okay

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 55s):

So I’m gonna go neither of them and I’m gonna say the open country RT trails because it’s a great hybrid.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 3s):

I’m gonna go, I’m gonna say whichever one is available at your local to tire store for the best price. Those are the ones you can’t go wrong with any of ’em. If you want something a little bit more aggressive, go RTS in either the Falcon or the open country. If you want something that is just a really good all-terrain BFGs, the open country ATS or the Falcon Wild Peak ats, all great tires. I’ve put lots of miles on all of them. Like ’em all.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 27s):

I think we’ve confused him. Like we didn’t give him a definitive answer. We said whatever you can get a deal

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 31s):

On. I think he’s smart enough to figure out that they’re all comparable and he’s gonna walk in the tire store and go, that one looks great and it’s cheaper than that one. I’m going there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 40s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 41s):

There’s your definitive answer, Lightning, wait, that’s it. That

2 (1h 8m 45s):

Is it for now. But we do have room on the voice recorder if you’d like to dial in and leave a message. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. The truck show, The truck show, The truck show.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 60s):

Or you can always set us up on email truck show podcast at gmail dot com or Holman at truck show podcast dot com or Lightning at truck show podcast dot com. And of course you can follow us on the socials at truck show podcast at Sean P Holman at LBC Lightning. And don’t forget to leave us your reviews, head over to Facebook or Spotify or Apple and leave us five stars. We really appreciate it. And then also head over to truck show podcast dot com where you can check out our events calendar and see what truck happenings are happening in your neck of the world.

2 (1h 9m 33s):

Truck happenings.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 34s):

Truck happenings. I didn’t say woods be on purpose. Neck of the world. I made that up because not everybody has woods, so I’m like neck of the world.

2 (1h 9m 44s):

No, no. Okay, no leaves.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 46s):

Happy as a clam. Huh? Leaves same. Same thing. All right, got it.

2 (1h 9m 50s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 51s):

See what I did there? Yeah

2 (1h 9m 53s):

I do. It’s a good callback.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 54s):

You guys can also leave us some, know your notes. I know there’s a few new ones that have creeped into the mailbox and super appreciative of those. Keep that, know your note hate coming. And also keep that, know your note.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 7s):

Wait a know your note hate. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 9s):

You, because don’t get right If you guys can stomp us and listen, if you guys have something like a stock truck, bring it on. Like, that’s fine. I’m good with it. If you guys have a a clapped out Camry done, let’s do it. Like whatever. I mean don don’t care. Nah, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 23s):

I’d rather

2 (1h 10m 24s):

No make it

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 24s):

Fucked cars. If you have a Ford nine end tractor that you need us to guess, identify, guess I do it. Yeah, no, do it. No, you got a diesel Kubota dude, we wanna hear from you. I mean

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 36s):

That was fun when it was

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 37s):

A John Deere combine.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 38s):

He was throwing on some, throwing out some, some funny ones at us. 16

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 41s):

Liter Cummins. You work on a cargo ship and you want, say you’re not a submarine. We don’t care. Make record the, the, the, the mechanically noises that those suckers are making and send

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 52s):

Em on over. You’re saying any internal combustion engine,

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 55s):

Whatever stump the experts. That’s what I’m saying. Wow. Isn’t it funny if we don’t get wrong

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 59s):

An expert? Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 1s):

We are. So I mean we are like so far from experts we’re like 70% right? Maybe 65.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 7s):

We are 70% right? 35% of the time

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 10s):

We are 75% lucky. I’d

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 12s):

Rather be lucky than smart. Wait, wait, hold on, let me rethink that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 16s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 9s):

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