Following the dramatic launch of his cherished Old Smokey off the Pike’s Peak racecourse and emerging unscathed from the wreckage, Scott Birdsall makes a comeback on the podcast. He delves into the crash’s intricacies, revealing his elaborate plans for a victorious return to the mountain and disclosing the specific record he aims to conquer next. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly sponsored by Nissan, in collaboration with Banks Power and onX Offroad.



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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (0s):

Holman to start off season two, episode 27 of The Truck, Show Podcast, pastor Joe Nelms, a Family Baptist Church of Lebanon, Tennessee. He’ll lead the show with this special prayer.

Joe Nelms (13s):

Heavenly Father, we thank you tonight for all your blessings. You said in all things give thanks. So we want to thank you tonight for these mighty machines that you’ve brought before us. Thank you for the Dodges and the Toyotas. Thank you for the Fords. And most of all, we thank you for Rouse and Yates partnering to give us the power that we see before us tonight. Thank you for GM Performance Technology and the RO seven engines. Lord, I want to thank you for my smoking hot wife tonight, Lisa, my two children, Eli and Emma, or as we like to call ‘em the Little Ease, Lord, I pray and bless the drivers and use ’em tonight. May they put on a performance worthy of this great track in Jesus’ name.

Joe Nelms (56s):

Boogey, Booy. Booy. Amen.

Sean P. Holman (1m 0s):

I’m pretty sure I sent that to you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 2s):

Did you now? Yep. All,

Sean P. Holman (1m 3s):

Right? Well, sure. Booy, Booy, boogey. Let’s get showy.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 6s):

It’s The, Truck, Show Podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m Holman. He’s Lightning. No, no, no.

Sean P. Holman (1m 11s):

It’s the other way around. What’s up

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 12s):


Sean P. Holman (1m 12s):

Why’d you bring a box in here again?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 14s):

This was a gift I had appeared randomly from Yank him ropes. Hold on a second. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (1m 18s):

Our, our friends who made in the u s a recovery gear that we talked to at Overland Expo.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 23s):

So, I. Don’t actually know what This is. I’m gonna clear off a spot on the table. Do you have a knife? If you got a knife, I’m gonna need to split this open. Lemme just,

Sean P. Holman (1m 31s):

I will open it for you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 32s):

Okay. And then I’m gonna put on the desk here, move this stuff over here. It’s a big box using this bench made to slice that sucker open. Here we go and,

Sean P. Holman (1m 43s):

Oh, look at that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 43s):


Sean P. Holman (1m 44s):

Is this big old recovery rope?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 46s):

Oh wow. Look at this All. right?

Sean P. Holman (1m 49s):

And some hats

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 50s):

All, right? What does it say? Oh, we got some stickers and some warnings here.

Sean P. Holman (1m 54s):

Yank sticker that can go on the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 55s):

Wall. Perfect. Yank him sticker right there. Ya yank him ropes,

Sean P. Holman (1m 57s):

By the way, did you notice what’s hanging from the, the steer horns?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 0s):

Gale Banks?

Sean P. Holman (2m 1s):

Yeah. His air freshener. Air air freshener. I found that in a box from his party. Yeah, his

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 5s):

Eight DTH birthday party.

Sean P. Holman (2m 6s):

Well, that should make the podcast studio smell better and we’ll always have Gale with us. It is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 10s):

All, right? So here’s a, the packing slip. You can see what’s in there, All, right?

Sean P. Holman (2m 13s):

It looks like a seven eighths by 30 foot kinetic rope. So that’s this guy right here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 18s):

That’s a big boy right

Sean P. Holman (2m 19s):

There, there. And what’s awesome about This is it’s for when you need to pop somebody out of a stuck, maybe they, they’re in the sand, they’re deep. The dynamic allows you to stretch the rope and then it, as it tries to pull itself back, it adds additional force than just a, a straight pole. And it’s a lot easier on the vehicle because it’s dynamic and it stretches. So you don’t have that immediate hard pole like you would with a non-kinetic rope. So you’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 45s):

Not gonna break stuff. Now let me ask you this, with this one here, how much slack would you give it before you rolled on the throttle? Just

Sean P. Holman (2m 52s):

So it’s slack,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 53s):

Would you say? Like, yeah, just so it’s

Sean P. Holman (2m 54s):

Loose. Well, yeah, just, just so it sits loose and it’s on the ground and then the, the yanking vehicle will give it a little bit of a head of a steam. And as the, the vehicle behind it, you know, adds in some throttle, hopefully it yanks it at just the right time and you’re able to choreograph that and pulls ’em and pops ’em back out of the hole there. Okay, so it looks like you also got a seven 16th soft shackle with a black chafing guard on it, which is super cool. Two of those. Okay. This would go around your toe point, your toe hook, and then it would wrap around the eyelet of that guy. And what’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 28s):

The advantage of using the soft shackle?

Sean P. Holman (3m 30s):

It’s just more, more durable. If something breaks, it’s less likely to hurt you. And sometimes, depending on the shackle or what you have to wrap yourself around, sometimes you can’t get a d-ring through or round something like that. So, and it also just is, again, just safer. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 49s):

What you don’t wanna do is put that around a ball hitch. ’cause that sounds like, no, you don’t put,

Sean P. Holman (3m 53s):

You don’t put anything recovery around a ball hitch ever. Looks like you’ve got a two inch receiver so that you can use that as a Oh wow,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 1s):

Look at this. Hold on a second. As

Sean P. Holman (4m 3s):

A recovery point,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 4s):

All, right? Oh, This is, oh, look at the finish. There you go. Eat your heart out Holman. Yep,

Sean P. Holman (4m 9s):

I’ve got, that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 9s):

A hard ano finish right there.

Sean P. Holman (4m 11s):

And you got, looks like a hat and a roll top bag to store All. right? Your your, your yank them’s in there. So, cool. That

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 19s):

Is super cool. Thank you so much for the, to the team up at there at yank them. They’re in Idaho, aren’t they?

Sean P. Holman (4m 24s):

They are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 25s):

All, right? I am gonna put that in the TRX that’s been freshly washed and ready to go Offroad. And I have another thing I wanted to show you too really quick here. Just getting some of the stuff outta the way here. Holman, you guys don’t know this, but Mr. Sean Holman was very generous and donated a Midland GMRS radio to the Lightning Foundation. And So I reached out. I didn didn’t know where to mount the antenna. It’s got a cool little stubby antenna. I reached out to my buddy Damon Lippo at Rigid Industries. They make a really cool hood mounted. This would be a ditch light bracket. Yeah, the light bracket. Right? Okay. So I honed out that section as you can see on the top, and then I can, can run my antenna up through the bottom.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 7s):


Sean P. Holman (5m 8s):

What we call an N-M-O-N-M-O-N-M-O antenna. So most of the GMRS antennas use that. And so A, lot of times the ditch light brackets are a great spot for your GMRS antenna, so that’ll should work out nicely for you to be able to use it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 23s):

Yep. I’ve got a now when home and is talking to everyone but me, I will be finally able to listen on the trail All. right? So that gets us into,

Sean P. Holman (5m 33s):

So Lightning show, Lightning got a all sorts of goodies. I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 37s):

Super stoked. Yeah, I I, those were all kind of unexpected and I’m thankful. Well,

Sean P. Holman (5m 41s):

The other thing you have to be thankful about is our friend Scott Birdsall, who suffered a nasty, nasty crash at Pikes Peak. You guys have probably seen it on the Chuckles Garage YouTube channel or all over the internet, or on Instagram and Facebook. It’s been everywhere. And the man walked away from rolling something like 8, 9, 10 times, walked away from it and unbelievable. Dropped almost 200 feet off the, the edge of the, the racecourse up there at Pikes Peak in Old s Smokey and Old Smokey, sadly is in pretty bad shape. We’re gonna talk to Scott and see what the future holds for his Pike’s Peak records as well as racing in general and see how he’s holding up after the, after the accident.

Sean P. Holman (6m 22s):

But he’s a pretty resilient guy, so my guess is he’s doing just fine. And, and I bet the fire’s been lit for a more hot racecourse action here in the near future for him. I don’t think he’s walking away from any type of racing. He is the ultimate competitor and I’m, I’m sure he’s already plotting what’s next. Alright, so before we start episode 27 of The Truck Show Podcast, we have to thank our friends over at Nissan. So if you’re in the market for a half ton or mid-size truck, you wanna head on over to your local Nissan dealer or you can go to Nissan where you can build and price the right Nissan for your lifestyle. Nissan has the industry’s best warranty, five year, 100,000 miles on the Nissan Titan and Titan xd. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 57s):

You don’t know this Holman, remember Rob our detailer? Yep. His son Adrian, who’s now working with him, is out shopping for a truck and just went over to the Nissan dealer and we’re salivating all over the new frontier. Awesome.

Sean P. Holman (7m 8s):

Well if you wanna spec out your own Nissan frontier, you know where to go. Nissan and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 12s):

Holman, are you still rocking the Paddle Monster and ID dash Data Monster in the Jeep 3 92? And if so, give me your one month

Sean P. Holman (7m 21s):

Review. Honestly, I love the ID dash, the ID dash has all the info I want. I’ve been able to keep track of the temps just like I want to. I’ve got a couple trips planned where it’s gonna be really good to see what the, the engine’s doing, especially cooling and everything. So super stoked on that. And being able to swap easily between my custom screen and the pedal monster screen allows me to easily adjust up or down. don don’t have to open my phone, which you can, but with the ID dash, it makes it so easy you don’t need to do that. So with the ID dash, you’re able to go between city sport or track. And for me, I’ve been kind of in the, you know, seven eight City, one two sport somewhere in there. And that’s sort of the sweet spot. And I haven’t figured out where I wanna land yet. It just, it just makes the, the pedal feel less wooden.

Sean P. Holman (8m 1s):

It’s more lively and it’s just more fun to drive with, you know, a a really light throttle application. I can get it to do what I wanna do. I put it in track 10 for about 30 seconds just to see. And it was completely undrivable. So did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 14s):

You do a wheelie like the TRX that everyone sends me from GTA? Yeah, I mean

Sean P. Holman (8m 17s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 18s):

It’s wheeling and over by the

Sean P. Holman (8m 19s):

Way. Those are all freaking fake CGI or video games. Stop sending those to me. Everyone thinks

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 24s):

It’s real I know, I’m like a T Rx cannot wheely people. No, it’s stop it. It’s, it’s stop it, it can’t jump off bridges and all this stuff

Sean P. Holman (8m 30s):

That’s, well it turns out even on track, you know, 30 or whatever, still do it. The highest setting 3 9 2 doesn’t wheelie either. It just does A lot of like ferocious growling and, and scares other drivers and it’s just, it’s way too sensitive. Has is my point.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 44s):

Reverse safety come in handy. That’s where Pedal Monster automatically reverts to stock. Throttle in reverse.

Sean P. Holman (8m 48s):

Yeah. So the act of safety on it’s great on the ID dash. It actually tells you when you put in reverse that you’re in the reverse mode. And so it reverts, like you said, to, to stocks. So backing into the garage and needing to not run into my work bench or over my kids’ stuff is really nice. ’cause I got the, the stock pedal field

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 4s):

Up because she leaves her tricycle everywhere.

Sean P. Holman (9m 6s):

Yeah, her scooter, her bike. It’s basketballs soccer balls, right? I mean it’s just, I just gave up trying to pick up after the five-year

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 12s):

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Sean P. Holman (9m 19s):

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Sean P. Holman (10m 6s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 35s):

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4 (11m 25s):

It’s the truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 32s):

Holman. How do you feel about calling Scott al? I mean, I feel like

Sean P. Holman (11m 37s):

The miracle man.

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 38s):

Would you call him Miracle Man when his truck is in peace? It’s like rest in peace. Old Smokey.

Sean P. Holman (11m 43s):

I think I counted 11 rolls. 10 rolls.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 47s):

I, he said it was between eight and nine.

Sean P. Holman (11m 49s):

I’ll put the video up because it, it’s, I think it’s more than that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 53s):

Don’t you think everyone’s seen it by now? No,

Sean P. Holman (11m 55s):

No, no. I think you, I think you have to go to to Chuckle Garage and check out Old s Smokey’s crash. And the thing that is, I don’t wanna say funny because funny’s the wrong word.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 7s):

Yes, it’s definitely the wrong word, but I would

Sean P. Holman (12m 9s):

Say, I would say the thing that that is humorous about it is after he is in the driver’s seat and takes inventory of himself and basically is like, I got all my fingers and to toes, he gets out and he takes a breath, he realizes he has a GoPro

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 23s):

And he reaches in, he gets a GoPro, he goes

Sean P. Holman (12m 25s):

Back inside wipes off the lens and goes, I’m okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 29s):

Which I’m,

Sean P. Holman (12m 31s):

I I’m sorry that amused

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 33s):

Me a lot. He knew that it was going to be the video that went viral for sure.

Sean P. Holman (12m 37s):

Yeah, absolutely.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 38s):

So for those of you that don’t know, Scott Birdsall was racing old s Smokey, his 1949 Ford F 100, which is a 6.7 liter Cummins powered compound, turbo behemoth of a truck that held the world record until this last 101st running of the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb. And unfortunately said truck went off Lightning’s Corner or Lightning Corner, I believe it’s called. Yeah, right. don,

Sean P. Holman (13m 6s):

Don’t think it’s your don don’t think it’s your quarter.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 8s):

Say, I think I tried to kill Scott. Birdsall.

Sean P. Holman (13m 10s):

Is What happened there? No. Okay, so I’m, I’m putting it up on the, on the big screen here in the, in the studio. And I want you to count the number of rolls.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 21s):

Sure, let’s do it. That, that it takes,

Sean P. Holman (13m 22s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 23s):

Yep. It goes off the cliff rolls. I, I mean, can’t see from that angle. Let’s see the in-car footage. All, right? Here

Sean P. Holman (13m 28s):

We go. So here he is and he cuts over to try and catch the Wheel to slow himself down after he realized he has no brakes. Goes up on two wheels and whoa. Off of,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 36s):

Okay. Oh, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 11.

Sean P. Holman (13m 47s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 48s):

Holy crap. I hadn’t done that before. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (13m 50s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 51s):

11, it did look like 11.

Sean P. Holman (13m 53s):

It’s either 10 or 11. I’m pretty sure it was 11.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 55s):

Oh my God.

Sean P. Holman (13m 56s):

But but you gotta pull the audio out and, and put it in here where he says, okay,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 0s):

All. right. I’ll put it right here I am. Okay. All. right. Let’s call the man the myth, the legend. Scott Birdsall of Chuck’s garage.

Scott Birdsall (14m 19s):

What’s going on guys?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 21s):

Mr. Scott Birdsall defying death. Hey,

Sean P. Holman (14m 24s):

Are you ready for us to exploit our relationship with you and your tragedy for podcast clicks?

Scott Birdsall (14m 30s):

I mean, yeah, let’s do it. That’s what I’m here for.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 31s):

Right? Okay,

Sean P. Holman (14m 32s):

Good. We have a slightly inappropriate jingle for you. It’s not perfectly in line, I would say with What happened, but the sentiments there. So go ahead. Lightning. All, right, there

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 42s):

We go.

3 (14m 43s):

Truck tales, dry tales and fails. Dry tales. Dry tales, dry

7 (14m 51s):

Tails. And

8 (14m 53s):

Are you still working on that old truck? Man,

7 (14m 56s):

You’ll never finish it. You stupid schmuck. Oh yes, I will look, get her up and running and then I’ll cruise by and I’ll come on Reving. So

8 (15m 5s):

Come on Dan and finish it up. I want to hear what

7 (15m 8s):

It took to build this truck. Well the truck is done in all its glory. Come on, sit down. I’ll tell you the story.

8 (15m 16s):

Truck tails and fails.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 20s):

That stings a little bit.

Sean P. Holman (15m 21s):

It does stinging a little bit. It was funnier when it was just you and me talking about it. But now Scott’s on the phone. I think he wants to hit us. Does it feel inappropriate? It does feel inappropriate. No,

Scott Birdsall (15m 29s):

That, that, that was aggressive.

Sean P. Holman (15m 33s):

I’m still, I feel dirty about this ’cause I feel like I’m not emotionally ready to talk to you about it. But you said it was okay and like day I hit you up the day after and you’re like, dude, I didn’t even need Advil today. And I’m like, what? What Guardian angel was riding with you.

Scott Birdsall (15m 50s):

I’m not quite sure, but all I know is I fell 175 vertical feet, landed on my roof and then rolled down to 715 feet. I I really honestly didn’t have a bruise or scratch on me.

Sean P. Holman (16m 4s):

Well, you said that after you had climbed out, you did get an injury And that was climbing the cliff face back up to the road.

Scott Birdsall (16m 12s):

It’s not comical actually. So I crash, turn the truck off, get up, kind of sit around and, you know, looked at the scenery. Contemplated life for a minute.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 22s):

Did you hear here?

Scott Birdsall (16m 27s):

No, no, I didn’t. I didn’t hear, I didn’t hear any Oh, any,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 32s):

What was, was Paul Moyer from NBC News by saying that was

9 (16m 36s):

Awful. I mean, that was they that was awful.

Scott Birdsall (16m 38s):

No, but I feel like Joe Rogan like popped outta the snow and had his, had his mic ready to go. He was, he was like ready

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 43s):

To, that’s

Sean P. Holman (16m 44s):


Scott Birdsall (16m 45s):

Post flight interview me anyways, just started climbing up the hill. And you know how like when snow melts around rocks, it creates a void? Well, I stepped in one of them and racked my shin on a boulder. Ugh. but that was pretty much it.

Sean P. Holman (16m 58s):

So, so we watched your video, which is on the Chuckles Garage YouTube page, and we counted at least 10, possibly 11 rolls. And you said only eight or nine? I think you’re just being modest.

Scott Birdsall (17m 9s):

Yeah, I don’t know. I’m not, you know, I’m not trying to flex on people. So,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 13s):

So that moment when you’re, take us through that from the starting line up til Lightning corner. How was the truck feeling? How was it acting? Was everything in order?

Scott Birdsall (17m 24s):

Yeah, so this This is version seven of the truck, and it is the most composed, best handling version of it it’s ever been. It handles great. I mean, it still has too much power coming outta hairpins. It just boils the toes off. But overall, like I was in like this awesome flow state and I was in a killer groove. All my section times were way faster than Smokey’s ever run up there, you know, know first section down, killer time, second section, killer time, third section, killer time

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 54s):

Now. So Scott, the, the weather is beautiful up there, correct? Like This is,

Scott Birdsall (17m 58s):

It was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 59s):

Perfect unlike previous years.

Scott Birdsall (18m 0s):

Yeah, no, it was perfect. And I was motivated, man. You know, like the record had just fallen and I’m like, well, you know what, I’m gonna, I’m gonna prove a point and I’m gonna get this record back in a 75-year-old truck, I wasn’t driving over my head well, within my limits. And then, you know, as a, in the, in the fourth section, I’m gaining tons of ground because most Pike’s Peak cars have A, lot of trouble at the top. But Smokey doesn’t the thing, it just, it’s so heavy and so stable. You can just bomb through all the bumps. You know, I’m coming up the a section I call the elevator because it’s like the longest steepest climb on the whole, on the whole course. And it’s, and it’s dead straight.

Scott Birdsall (18m 42s):

And then you’re coming into Lightning corner and you know, I lift to set, set the truck in on the brakes and my foot instantly hit that firewall. And IW and I just, you know, it was, it was probably the worst feeling in 30 years of racing. Like I, my heart just went, went through my head, you know, up through my throat and, and you know, I had, I had a couple choices, you know, I could, I could try to make the corner, but I knew I was carrying far too much momentum because I, I didn’t even scrub any, any speed and I wasn’t leaving anything on the table. So the only, the only other choice I had was to turn in and try to scrub some speed off in the ditch.

Scott Birdsall (19m 26s):

Well, when I did that it, I was just going too fast and it just bounced the truck up and shot me off. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 32s):

Tell us about that corner. Is that a 90, a 45? Because there are sweeping turns that are called corners that are, you call ’em ’cause you’re a racer, a corner, but it’s not really a hard left or a hard right. What was this turn?

Scott Birdsall (19m 44s):

It’s a hard left.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 45s):

It was okay.

Scott Birdsall (19m 46s):

Like if I was in the LMP car, I could’ve made it. I could’ve just like coasted around it. But old Smokey doesn’t pull three gss, So I just kinda, yeah, I did what I could. I scrubbed the speed and it wasn’t gonna work out either way. But, so it’s I feel like it at least put me in a better spot on the mountain to roll down.

Sean P. Holman (20m 6s):

So the spot where you rolled was covered in snow, which obviously helped. And the spot, if you would’ve gone off straight, if you missed that turn, would’ve been boulders and all sorts of things like that. And it probably, yeah, would’ve not ended with you crawling out and banging your shin on a rock and, and not needing Advil the next day.

Scott Birdsall (20m 24s):

I think that would’ve been really bad news if I would’ve went off farther off in the corner.

Sean P. Holman (20m 29s):

This is a text thread that I texted Scott and I said, Hey, check on you to see how you’re doing today. He is like, ah, thanks buddy. I’m fine. Literally zero physical harm. The truck is completely destroyed. And I’m like asking him a bunch of stupid questions like the day after, like, do you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 44s):

Heartless son of a bitch?

Sean P. Holman (20m 45s):

How big was the drop off? And I’m so damn sad about Smokey and did the brakes boil and I’m, you know, glad you’re okay. But I have all these questions and I, I made the mistake of saying, so, you know, he writes back and says, old smokey’s dead. It looks like Godzilla played kickball with it. This was before he posted the videos on social where we had a chance to see the truck, right truck. And I said to him, so what’s your focus now the LMP two? And you know, he writes back LMP one, I’m not poor, LOL. So he, he maintained his, his sense of humor. And I’m sorry for disparaging you with the LMP two comment. Yeah, I,

Scott Birdsall (21m 22s):

You know what, I think back to the sense of humor thing, like that’s how I kinda keep myself grinding through, through anything that’s really, you know, I try to find the humor in it. And I think that was part of me getting back in the truck and saying, I’m okay. You know, it was obvious that I was okay, but that’s the best kind of fix is is humor.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 43s):

Any idea Scott what the technical reason was for the, the brake failure?

Scott Birdsall (21m 47s):

I haven’t, I haven’t even had the heart to look at the truck since we dragged it into the trailer. So I figure after Bonneville we’ll pull it out and see what the heck happened.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 59s):

So you guys had to actually winch that thing up. Hundreds of feet up rocks. And it does that the, you said it looked like Godzilla played kickball with it and that’s true. It looks like he started with a front end. Yeah. And just mashed it. Yeah. And so the radiators moved over. The intercos were all effed up and it’s, well

Sean P. Holman (22m 18s):

When he put it on the trailer and he showed the picture of it, like all the spare parts that had flown off of it were in the pickup bed. And I thought, well that’s a good use of a pickup truck. Yeah, well,

Scott Birdsall (22m 26s):

I mean it’s, it finally got used to haul something, whether it was its own body parts or not

Sean P. Holman (22m 32s):

Too, too soon. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 33s):

Little bit

Scott Birdsall (22m 34s):

Too. You can’t, you can’t say it’s, you can’t say it’s not a truck. It’s got, it’s got half a truck in the bed.

Sean P. Holman (22m 39s):

Is that, does that make me a horrible human? That, that’s what I thought about when I saw the video at first I went Oh, my God, old Smokey went, oh, there’s shit in the bed. It’s good.

Scott Birdsall (22m 47s):

I gotta say that the cage and the chassis have to be the toughest things I’ve ever seen. I mean, 175 vertical feet at 90 or so miles an hour, like onto the roof. That’s, that’s A lot of energy. And the, and the cage didn’t, didn’t deform heightwise as much at all.

Sean P. Holman (23m 4s):

What was the construction, what did you use to build the cage and, you know, was there anything special that you put into it because you knew it’d be you driving it?

Scott Birdsall (23m 11s):

No, no, it’s just, it’s inch and three quarter mild steel. DOMI prefer that over KROQ Molly, because you know, all heat treating processes required with KROQ Molly to, to make it a strong cage. Like if you just tig weld KROQ molly together, like it’s not as strong as, as a mild steel DOM cage. It’s done. Right? Yeah. Inch and three quarter one 20 wall DOM and I just made it all triangles, no squares. You know, there’s a, if there’s a square part in it, I put a, I put a big tube gusset in it and I tried to build it to the FIA rally rule book.

Sean P. Holman (23m 47s):

And what was the safety equipment you were wearing? Because you had actually done a shout out for your seat, your belts, your, your harness Oh. yeah, your hans your helmet. Like I, it’s amazing and you posted pictures of, I think your helmet pretty unbelievable what you went through. So maybe shout out to the safety equipment you were using and and what your Yeah,

Scott Birdsall (24m 6s):

It wasn’t just a cage, like it a hundred percent had to be my seat belt and helmet manufacturer because number one, the seat, so my, I use saw belt seats and belts. I where I wear a saw belt fire suit and I run a full containment saw belt gt pad seat. You can watch the video. I’m looking like I’m in a paint paint mixer in that thing. The, the seat kept me good, you know, I wear a steelo helmet and a Hans device from Holly. You know, the, it’s every, I’m untouched so props to all those guys.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 39s):

Dumb question, what does the seat fasten into? Because I’ve seen race cars where there’s only four bolts holding this amazing race seat to the, to the body. Yeah. And I think, man, I’m like the, the the the seat can launch out just rip right outta

Sean P. Holman (24m 53s):

These four bolts. I mean you’re not using, you know, the right bolts and you don’t have enough of ’em and it shears off inside the cage. Well what are the, you’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 59s):

Basically in

Sean P. Holman (24m 60s):

A paint. Yeah. You’re basically in a paint mixer. And that’s not a good thing either. Yeah.

Scott Birdsall (25m 3s):

One other thing I also designed into Smokey thank you for asking is it’s a, it’s a full containment cage. So there’s bars that run across the floor all the way across. There’s an anti engine intrusion beam that runs from the seat bars that go all the way across, all the way up to the dash bar. That way the engine can’t come in. ’cause you know, the engine’s already sunk back three cylinders behind the firewall and there’s not much room in that truck. So I wanted to make sure that I wasn’t crushed by a 1200 pound Cummins.

Sean P. Holman (25m 34s):

Yeah. It would be, it’d be crappy to survive the crash only to, you know, be destroyed by pieces of the truck

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 40s):

Engine. Yeah, yeah,

Scott Birdsall (25m 41s):

Yeah. Be or to be bludgeoned to death by a giant motor. And the anti intrusion bar definitely did its job because the engine is completely smashed against it. And the seat bars obviously helped too, because if you build a cage and then you mount the seat to the floor, which is made out of sheet metal and it’s like the squishiest weakest part of the whole structure. Totally. Like what, what gets destroyed in a massive rollover, the structure and then you are bolted to the, you are sitting on the structure. The best case design, if you have the room for it, is to build the cage as a containment vessel and mount your seat to the cage.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 20s):

Now when you hit there, there were some people in the office at work and, and I saw some chatter online. I think it’s deceiving when you hit, you tried to scrub the speed by just, you’re gonna go left, there’s a left turn, but you’re gonna go left into the hillside

Sean P. Holman (26m 33s):

And there’s a ditch there. Basically imagine there’s a drainage ditch that’s like a v ditch to the left of the pavement before the hill goes up and you decided to turn into the, into the, the hillside basically in order to scrub speed. Yeah. But when you did it upset the chassis and popped you up on your two outside wheels

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 51s):

Yeah. Launch you up. What some of the people where I, I saw online, they were thinking that you went to hit the brake and hit the gas pedal, hit, hit the throttle because when you launched off the, off the cliff, the RPMs rose and you could go, you could see, you could hear go.

Scott Birdsall (27m 8s):

That’s because I just, that’s ’cause I braced myself like an idiot. And the, and the gas pedal just happened to be where I was bracing myself

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 14s):

Stretched your legs and pinned it.

Scott Birdsall (27m 16s):

Well that was after I, after I was airborne I did that. So if you, if you can hear me going into the corner, you know, if you turn your brightness up on the screen, you can see my left leg stabbing at the brake trying to get it to do something. And when it’s doing that, you know, I don’t usually wear like a, a suit with pant legs on it. But I did this time ’cause we had like a cowboy thing going on, but my pedal box is really close together and when I was stabbing at that I was, I was catching my, my throttle foot a little bit so you can hear it coming. It’s not like enough throttle to, to accelerate the truck. But it’s, it’s, you can hear it go like neutral throttle a couple times before I hit the corner. But yeah, like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 55s):

The end of the day this was an issue of the brakes failing. ’cause you can see it on camera and not you accidentally hitting the throttle, sending you off the corner.

Scott Birdsall (28m 4s):

No, that would be completely retarded. And I’m not that stupid, so. Right, right. It’s, when I first posted it was hard ’cause like, you know, I just, I can’t handle keyboard warriors like guys sitting in their crap stained, you know, like simulator chairs in their mom’s basement, like making comments, you know, making comments about pro racers that bro

Sean P. Holman (28m 26s):

Racers, you know, bro, I’ve taken that corner 500 times an olds Smokey PlayStation,

Scott Birdsall (28m 30s):

Dude, it’s, it’s, it’s so stupid. You know, I had to eviscerate this one guy on there. Usually don don’t feel a troll feed the trolls, but he ended up, he ended up deleting his comment. But the amount of people that, that just look at the pictures and don’t read the book Blow my Mind.

Sean P. Holman (28m 47s):

I was one of them because I think I saw the video and Didn didn’t read the description. I actually asked you a couple questions and you’re like, read the description. I’m like, oh sorry. There it is. Well

Scott Birdsall (28m 56s):

He say that to you.

Sean P. Holman (28m 57s):

Yeah. So then I understood after that he went okay. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 60s):

He said everything right there except he did get the number of roles wrong. That’s, that’s

Sean P. Holman (29m 3s):

Right. And now I have a, a extra set of questions after reading. I’m like, okay, well fine. That just made me more curious about this stuff over here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 11s):

Now you’re so insensitive. I know the guy just walked down a hill,

Sean P. Holman (29m 15s):

You know, it’d be really insensitive.

Scott Birdsall (29m 17s):


Sean P. Holman (29m 18s):

Asking for a souvenir bowl? Smokey for the pot shed. Oh,

Scott Birdsall (29m 21s):

I was gonna act, I was gonna actually offer you one.

Sean P. Holman (29m 23s):

We would love to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 24s):

Can we have a tail ends?

Sean P. Holman (29m 26s):

A tail

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 26s):

End? Yeah. I think like a

Sean P. Holman (29m 28s):

I want the wing. Just put it on the roof of the pot shed. Oh, that would be cool. My wife would not love

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 32s):

Something. We can leave from the ceiling. Yeah. Maybe

Scott Birdsall (29m 35s):

Can’t have the wing that’s mine.

Sean P. Holman (29m 38s):

No, but we would love to have a, a piece of old Smokey that we could stare at. I lovingly

Scott Birdsall (29m 44s):

I can give you a wing end. I can give you a wing end cap.

Sean P. Holman (29m 46s):

Done. Sold. Do I have to go, do I have to drive up there to pick it up?

Scott Birdsall (29m 50s):

No, I can send it to you, but you gotta freaking pay for it or trade me a hat or so something

Sean P. Holman (29m 55s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 55s):

That’s worth it. All, right. Structural podcast hat. How how

Sean P. Holman (29m 58s):

About I drive up there, pick it up, buy you lunch, give you a hat

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 1s):

You’ve been saying you’re gonna drive up there

Sean P. Holman (30m 2s):

For This is I know

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 3s):

For over four years?

Sean P. Holman (30m 4s):

I know, but I have to do that. Yeah,

Scott Birdsall (30m 6s):

You’re full of it bro. It’s how many podcasts have we done? And you’re like Oh. yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 9s):

I’m gonna all of them

Sean P. Holman (30m 10s):

Because I’m busy. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 13s):

Well listen, Scott, we were both scared but, but instantly relieved that you were, you were well, you were fine. And obviously it sucks to lose old Smokey that truck, you know, look how many trucks are there that are famous that aren’t,

Sean P. Holman (30m 29s):

Are Wheel, that many wheels that are PlayStation, that are, you know, hold a record, a legitimate record holder I don

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 35s):

That I don other than like Bigfoot and maybe bro dozer for a minute, but that’s already gone. I, I don’t know any other trucks that kids like That is Rad Dad. And you know, and they’re making toys of it, so that’s tragic. But it did end in, it’s like, it’s kind of a glorious ending. Right. Well,

Sean P. Holman (30m 52s):

So hold on. So, I have a question. So This is, this might be kind of insightful for people who are curious what happens? You, you had just bought this amazing, built this freedom in, was it Freedom Engines at Cummins, right? They’re

Scott Birdsall (31m 7s):

Dude, that thing was still running. I know

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 9s):


Sean P. Holman (31m 9s):

One of the things in the video you can see, you can see it still going after the roll. Like that thing is also Yeah, but like what happens as a racer, you know, obviously you’re tied in with Amsoil and Toyota Tires and you’ve got A, lot of your own money in there and you’ve got sponsorship deals. What happens when you wreck? Like what’s the phone call? How have the sponsors been? Like what’s that look like from both a personal standpoint and then like a business standpoint? From

Scott Birdsall (31m 29s):

A business standpoint, it sucks because I personally have to eat a giant chunk of money to fix a thing. You know, unfortunately the way the internet works now, it’s like, you know, stuff like this gets tons of press. So, you know, I don’t know what would get more press if I broke the record or if I, if I freaking, you know, toss it down a mountain but both achieve the same thing, like click wise.

Sean P. Holman (31m 54s):

One’s easier though. Yeah.

Scott Birdsall (31m 56s):

You know, with myself, I’m disappointed. You know, crashing isn’t always the best case scenario, but you know, This is motor sport and you know, sometimes you have component failures, sometimes you make driver errors, you know, like I did in 2018, I made a driver error and I ended up in the ditch, but you know, I was able to fix a truck and come back from that one. All the sponsors have been super supportive. Everybody’s calling me, checking up on me. No one’s really said anything negative to me. So, you know, shout out to all my sponsors because they’ve all been super cool about it. So, and they all know how bullheaded I am and how, how I’ll just come back in 24 with a vengeance anyways. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 33s):

Where does Old Smokey live? Where will it live? Because I feel like you could put this in a museum somewhere. Like it’s not NHRA, but it like, like Gale Banks has a bunch of his vehicles at the NHRA museum in a wing old Smokey should be somewhere I feel like Petersen Museum or where somewhere

Sean P. Holman (32m 49s):

Revived Lightning. Hopefully

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 51s):

Don don’t think he’s gonna revive it. I think he’s moving on to the l and p card and he, and here’s why,

Sean P. Holman (32m 55s):

That’s why I’m asking the question about what’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 57s):

And I know this and I haven’t discussed it with him, but you could

Sean P. Holman (32m 59s):

Ask if he’s on the phone,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 0s):

I will in a second check. But fricking mitten’s one, right? So our Frenchman with the giant hands and his little tiny tried turbo, whatever the hell that car is. It has he, he beats Scott’s record and This is the one guy, This is the one

Scott Birdsall (33m 17s):

Dude give it. He he finally did it. Congratulations to him. I just wish you, I just wish he was a better person about being, you know, a sportsman and you know, maybe his personality was a little different. But you know, other than that, like good on him. Like he did, he did something he’s been trying to do for years. So,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 36s):

But it’s the one guy, he didn’t want to beat him. Like it’s, he would’ve been fine with stuff

Sean P. Holman (33m 40s):

Oh. yeah. but that just, that just feeds the fire. That’s why I’m asking. Okay. So we know the LMP one car is a possibility. We’ve got the, the Bonneville record truck that he’s gonna focus on. Are you gonna go back and try and beat the truck, the Diesel record with the truck? Or are you gonna go hit it up with the, with the LMP car or does some version of, of Olds Smokey come back?

Scott Birdsall (34m 0s):

The LMP one, I was supposed to drive that this year, but you know, we kept having, after we put the supercharger on it, we kept having engine problems. So it’s gonna go back to freedom to get the, the head o ringed and, and fire ringed. So we don’t have any more, any more issues with that.

Sean P. Holman (34m 21s):

Real quick, not to pull us too far off of topic, but that’s a EcoDiesel that you have a supercharge turbo setup on and you had just posted weeks ago the engine and kind of talked about it and I, I think I texted you then and I’m like, dude, we gotta come on the show, talk about that engine and would love to know more about it. Are you, are you ready to divulge or is that a conversation for

Scott Birdsall (34m 44s):

No, I, I got no secrets. So it’s a, it’s a three liter VM inventory EcoDiesel and Freedom Racing Engines built it. Last year we ran compound turbos on it and because of its displacement it was a little laggy. So we went with the super turbo setup and I basically took a, a bank’s EcoDiesel intake machine, the top machined a nice blower hat for it and you know, welded that together and made, you know, and then built the whole blower drive and everything else with the kind of violent instantaneous boost we found the limit of the stock head gaskets.

Scott Birdsall (35m 26s):

And unfortunately we found that too late to be able to fix it in time for Pike’s Peak because you know, I felt that if we just, you know, it happened a couple times and if we just machined it and took it to Pikes Peak, then it’s just gonna happen again within the first couple practices. Unless we turned, unless we turned the initial boost down to like something that would just make it lagging uncompetitive again.

Sean P. Holman (35m 48s):

So isn’t there a rule that Pike, Pike Peak that you could only be in one class? So was Ultimo a last minute ad or was somebody else gonna drive that? And when the LMP one came out then

Scott Birdsall (35m 58s):

Did you choose Yeah, So I I was bringing both and my friend Tyler Paps was gonna drive old Smokey, but when we had the issues with the LMP at the right, at right before we were supposed to leave, you

Sean P. Holman (36m 9s):

Fired him and ended your friendship. Well

Scott Birdsall (36m 11s):

I didn’t fire him. He still homie, I just said, I just said, Hey buddy, I can’t, like, I can’t show up to Pike Peak and not drive my own vehicle. So he understood. He ended up putting his BMW road race car together, bringing that and then winning the Alcon Hard Charger award, so damn

Sean P. Holman (36m 30s):

All. right. Well that’s a good turn of events.

Scott Birdsall (36m 33s):


Sean P. Holman (36m 34s):

Very cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 35s):

You and I were talking about the EcoDiesel and you were saying that at Idle it had, how, how much boost?

Scott Birdsall (36m 41s):

So that thing just sitting there idling makes 5.8 PSIA boost.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 45s):

So that’s light switch response, right? Remember when we like, like lock jaw at one point had eight pounds of boost, which was, it was generating too much heat because it was boosting at idle and

Scott Birdsall (36m 57s):

Right. Yeah, that’s too much. I think five, I think five to six PSI is what you want. We we’re probably gonna bring it down to like four. Yeah, I mean let’s this instantaneous response and then, you know, this thing’s making, you know, 11, 1200 pound feet of torque in a, you know, sub 3000 pound car. Like, it’s just, it’s incredibly violent and it, it’s just, it’s like, just like Smokey, that’s what I want. Like, I like lots of power like right away, like just nasty, hateful, violent power. And so yeah, we’re gonna, we’re gonna fix, we’re gonna restructure the head freedom is having some custom head studs made for it out of a special alloy that’ll get fixed and the bottom ends are strong as hell on those things.

Scott Birdsall (37m 42s):

So as long as we keep it under 4,500 RPM, which we should be good.

Sean P. Holman (37m 46s):

So do you think that some version of old Smokey is revived, old Smokey two or parts of the vehicle show up somewhere? Or are you moving on from that now and it’ll be all about the l and p two car or LMP one, sorry, I know you’re not poor. Sorry. L and p one. Well now

Scott Birdsall (38m 4s):

Gosh, you just, you just keep trying to slide me there. You turned that into

Sean P. Holman (38m 7s):

Little bit,

Scott Birdsall (38m 8s):

You know it’s a Honda, not a Kia. Well right now I am, it’s on back burner because the chassis was built so strong in that thing. There may be a slight possibility that Smokey can come back as like a wild street truck.

Sean P. Holman (38m 27s):

I approve,

Scott Birdsall (38m 27s):

But we don’t know. So we gotta pull it out and do an autopsy on it and, and see what’s saveable and what’s not. If it’s, if it’s more than like 50% gone, then I’m, I’m not gonna worry about it. I’m just gonna forklift it up onto one of the big Conex boxes here and leave, leave a, an homage of the dangers of Pike’s Peak

Sean P. Holman (38m 49s):

Hashtag thoughts and prayers.

Scott Birdsall (38m 51s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 52s):

What was the feeling when you came off of, you were probably up at the top or what What happened when you got into the tow truck and drove down? Like what was the response when you met up with your crew and, and the press?

Scott Birdsall (39m 6s):

You know, I kind of, I kind of avoided people interviewing me ’cause there was, there was a bunch and I was like, you know, just leave me alone. I just, just wrecked my pride and joy and lost my record. Like, let me chill for a minute. So I kind of, I kind of just went around to my friends and chatted, chatted with them a little bit, kind of got a bunch of hugs and my team was just like dejected. Like they had just gone through like, you know, an emotional rollercoaster just like my wife at home, like on the broadcast, you know, when someone crashes they just cut away from it and they didn’t say much about my crash for a minute and then they said I was okay. But like those few minutes, that’s like an eternity for your loved ones and your crew crew, especially when they know you went off like above devil’s playground.

Scott Birdsall (39m 54s):

Like it’s all bad after that. I had A lot of support when I got back to the paddock.

Sean P. Holman (39m 59s):

Yeah, I can’t imagine your, your battery on your phone. You, you probably lost 50% in the next 20 minutes just from people texting you if you’re okay. And

Scott Birdsall (40m 7s):

Just the other day, and it’s been like a week, just the other day I finally got back to all the messages and dms that I had because I almost couldn’t use Instagram because I I I was like, well where are my messages? They’re, there’s freaking bazillion of ’em in here.

Sean P. Holman (40m 23s):

Well and half of ’em are just memes for me. So what a dick you are.

Scott Birdsall (40m 29s):

I think I got like, I I think there was like a backlog of six to 10 memes from you.

Sean P. Holman (40m 35s):

So what’s funny is I knew that you were getting caught up in back in business when you started responding and sending me memes again. I’m like All right? He’s bad. He’s healthy, he’s good.

Scott Birdsall (40m 43s):

That’s, that’s like the, that’s like the bat signal that I’m okay.

Sean P. Holman (40m 46s):

I’m like he’s pooping right now. He’s good.

Scott Birdsall (40m 50s):

Soon as you get the, soon as you get the inappropriate pooping memes we’re good.

Sean P. Holman (40m 55s):

Well so All, right? L and p one car Old Smokey, TBD but you’ve got the Bonneville truck so you’re still a truck racer so we can still be friends with you. Why don’t you give us an update on where that truck is now and kind of what the, the go forward plans are for that this year? Because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 13s):

Bonneville, for those who don’t know, is coming up in August. Yes.

Scott Birdsall (41m 17s):

Yeah, so I’ve got like a 50% completed truck here that we’ve got like three weeks to put together, which we’ll do it. It’s pretty simple build, but it’s a early nineties Toyota Hilux extra cab and it’s powered by a 1400 horsepower methanol burning two JZ GTE.

Sean P. Holman (41m 36s):


Scott Birdsall (41m 39s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 40s):

All right? You can stop. I just, I just, I gotta take your belt away.

Sean P. Holman (41m 43s):

What’s a two JZ with methanol and it’s, no, gimme my

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 45s):

Bell back. What are you doing with this thing? You

Sean P. Holman (41m 47s):

Know what? Fine, you have a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 48s):

Spare. That was all Whatcha doing? That’s my spare bell

Sean P. Holman (41m 52s):

Over there. Spare.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 53s):

Wait, let me hear ’em back to back. That’s

Scott Birdsall (41m 55s):

The, you guys are way too excited about this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 57s):

Oh it’s like, it’s like, looks like boobies next to him sitting there.

Scott Birdsall (41m 59s):

Okay. You know, like my like Smokey and the LMP one and everything else AM Oil is my title sponsor on that. And then, you know, it’s just, it’s just like an overpowered little mini truck that sits an inch off the ground and because of its class it has zero aerodynamic aids. So it should be pretty interesting at our goal of 240 miles an hour.

Sean P. Holman (42m 22s):

Does that include Wheel covers and things like that? Like what can you have, what is the class and what’s the current record?

Scott Birdsall (42m 28s):

So it’s mini mid-size pickup and the current la the current class record I, for the engine size that I’m running is 180 and some change and I know the All Out mini mid-size record is 2 22. Okay. So we’re trying to go, we’re, I’m trying to go out and, and break all of them in my rookie shot. So

Sean P. Holman (42m 52s):


Scott Birdsall (42m 53s):

We’ll see how that works out. God

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 55s):

With no Arrow, I wonder how like tail happy that gets, that’s the issue that so many of ’em seem to have. You know, Gail was always on his podcast and he’s been on our show talking about Bonneville. It was always the vehicles getting really light on the tail end, creating a vortex, just picking the ass end of the vehicle up. Well

Sean P. Holman (43m 11s):

So, so with no arrow aids, obviously it means no wing things like that, but can you seal up seams? Can you remove the mirrors? Can you put arrow covers on the wheels? Like you’re

Scott Birdsall (43m 21s):

Allowed small things, you’re allowed roof rails, things that create turbulence in case you get sideways. You know, that’s like a three quarter inch tall little fin that spans the length of your roof on each side. You’re allowed like arrow disc, Wheel covers and you’re allowed a small front air dam. And that’s, that’s pretty much it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 40s):

Now you and I were talking about opening up, removing one of the headlights like Gail used to do with his Studebaker back in the day getting some of mother nature’s pressurized Ram Air Air, right. The Ram Air coming in. And you mentioned that you couldn’t remove a headlight because that was modifying the vehicle or you needed Headlights. What was that deal?

Scott Birdsall (43m 57s):

Headlights have to be in place. So like if I wanted to build a Ram air, I could do it behind the grill. But the problem with that is the, the radiator takes up all that area and the, and the heat exchangers,

Sean P. Holman (44m 6s):

So I was gonna say, especially with a 1400 horsepower, two JayZ. Right. So with the interior, I’m guessing in the class you probably have to have the dash, but you can strip everything else out.

Scott Birdsall (44m 17s):

Yeah, you actually don’t even have to have a dash. But I I I really, I’ve, I had one of these trucks when I was in college. So I’ve got kind of an affinity for them. So I wanted the dash in there just, just to kind of give me that slight reminder that This is something I used to commute in in college.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 34s):

Tell me, you’re gonna leave a, an Alpine single den 76 18 slide out cassette player inside the, in the dash.

Scott Birdsall (44m 42s):

The actual like an actual pullout. That would be kind amazing. Yeah, yeah.

Sean P. Holman (44m 46s):

You pull it out for racing, you put it in when it’s in the paddock. Can you imagine for lightweight you’re lightweighting

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 50s):

It like can you imagine the shot when he, after he wins, he gets out and as he’s like, ’cause it’s the door is probably sealed, right? He’s, he’s getting out and he goes, wait, and he reaches in and he slides the, the the Alpine out and he’s got his hand like a suitcase.

Sean P. Holman (45m 1s):

I hope it’s a CD player. That’s And he has sun visors with like the 15 CDs on each side. Oh. yeah. It’s all like nineties music.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 10s):

It’s got tone lo in there.

Scott Birdsall (45m 11s):

I mean you guys are giving me some pretty good ideas here. I need to add Ballast to the thing anyways. Two live crew, you know, I never was a fan of two Live Crew

Sean P. Holman (45m 20s):

Chili Peppers, blood sugar, sex magic.

Scott Birdsall (45m 22s):

That was a good, that was a good album. That was a great

Sean P. Holman (45m 23s):

Album. That

Scott Birdsall (45m 25s):

Was a good album.

Sean P. Holman (45m 26s):


Scott Birdsall (45m 27s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 28s):


Scott Birdsall (45m 30s):


Sean P. Holman (45m 31s):

Appetite for Destruction.

Scott Birdsall (45m 33s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 34s):

Oh, oh, interesting. All, right. Interesting. Yeah. Didn’t Back in Black.

Scott Birdsall (45m 38s):

You know, I was always like a, a heavy metal guy. Like, I never really liked like the hair metal guys or the, or the pseudo grunge hair metal guys. Like

Sean P. Holman (45m 45s):

Metallica wasn’t

Scott Birdsall (45m 47s):

Quite hard enough. Yeah. Metallica up until like album 91.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 50s):

Yeah. He so he was Master of Puppets. Yeah. And then he gets into the Black album and he’s like, sold out.

Sean P. Holman (45m 54s):

I’m out. Yeah.

Scott Birdsall (45m 55s):

Yeah. Like I I love you James, but you guys got got soft on me, so,

Sean P. Holman (46m 0s):

So I’m guessing you’re probably if if if you’re a more of a hardcore guy, I’m guessing REM automatic for the people probably doesn’t rate

Scott Birdsall (46m 10s):

No. Ew.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 10s):

He’s gotta be a Pantera fan. How

Sean P. Holman (46m 12s):

About the Chronic Dr. Dre? That was a great album.

Scott Birdsall (46m 14s):

That was a, that was a great album. That was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 17s):

No Pantera for you.

Scott Birdsall (46m 20s):

I used to like them. Okay. I’m kind of like a Boston hardcore kind of guy.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 26s):

Dropkick Murphy’s man.

Sean P. Holman (46m 27s):

Mega death

Scott Birdsall (46m 28s):

Guys need to get a little more punk rock.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 30s):

What are you like Pennywise? What are you, whatcha are you talking? Hey,

Sean P. Holman (46m 33s):

Why do you say Pennywise like that? They’re from hp dude. They’re from No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 35s):

No Hermosa. Oh

Sean P. Holman (46m 37s):

Geez. No you said,

Scott Birdsall (46m 38s):

You said that with some, with some spike in your voice there. You at or what?

Sean P. Holman (46m 43s):

Don’t be pooping on Pennywise. No, they’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 45s):

Yeah, I’m, they’re friendly. I’m, I’m good with Fletcher and those guys. Alright, so the future is bright for Mr. Birdsall despite the hunk of metal that is old Smokey.

Sean P. Holman (46m 55s):


Scott Birdsall (46m 56s):

Yeah. You know, it’s just, it’s a tr I mean, it, it was kind of a legend but you know, it’s still just a, a vehicle and vehicles can either be fixed or disposed of and humans, humans can be fixed. But you know, once they’re broken, they’re broken.

Sean P. Holman (47m 11s):

Well, we’re, we’re glad you’re not broken my friend. And we will take you up if the opportunity exists to, to have a piece of old Smokey memorabilia in the studio.

Scott Birdsall (47m 22s):

Yeah. You guys gotta actually visit me instead of quit talking about it though. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (47m 25s):

Alright, I’ll do it. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 26s):

That’s true. I’m gonna see him. He’s gonna be at the Amwell 50th anniversary celebration in a couple of weeks. That

Sean P. Holman (47m 30s):

Doesn’t qualify for him. Going to see him. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 32s):

Will be with him hanging out. That’s

Sean P. Holman (47m 34s):

Not the same as

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 34s):

You making the up. See

Scott Birdsall (47m 35s):

Him if, if he brings free stuff. It is.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 39s):

If I bring what

Scott Birdsall (47m 40s):

If you bring free things, it, it counts.

Sean P. Holman (47m 43s):

We’ll get him some shirts, get some stuff, give him some stickers.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 45s):

Now we’ll go up to Santa Rosa. Is that where you are? I

Sean P. Holman (47m 47s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 48s):

Remember. Yeah, Santa Rosa. Santa Rosa. Yeah.

Scott Birdsall (47m 49s):

Are you guys both gonna be at the am o 50th thing?

Sean P. Holman (47m 52s):

Nope. Just Jay. Yep.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 53s):

That’s, that’s a me and a Banks thing.

Sean P. Holman (47m 55s):

My, that’s my, my oldest 16th birthday during that, so it’s a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 1s):

Nice, can’t missed that. Yep. That’s

Scott Birdsall (48m 2s):

Cool. Nice little tidbit of information. I just gave that whole interview from inside the Nook van.

Sean P. Holman (48m 7s):

Ah, I love it. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 8s):

That’s why it’s quiet.

Sean P. Holman (48m 9s):

Yeah. Oh, I owe you a couple oovs, the extras. ’cause I was out just came yesterday and so I’ll get those up to you this week.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 16s):

Have you seen that article in OVR Magazine? It looks it came out great.

Scott Birdsall (48m 21s):

Just did a killer job on this Photos.

Sean P. Holman (48m 23s):

Yeah, the, the photography on it is awesome and you know, I think the guy that wrote the story is pretty good. You Oh? yeah. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 32s):

Alright. If you haven’t seen it, go check out OVR Magazine. It’s on, it’s at Borders. No, no. Barn Barnes

Sean P. Holman (48m 37s):

Noble Barn Books a million. Or you go to OVR You can subscribe digitally. Or, or with print. And so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 44s):

If you wanna see this, if there’s no Barnes and Noble Bayou, you can see this article by subscribing.

Sean P. Holman (48m 49s):

Yes, absolutely. And you can see our friend Scott’s awesome nuke van and all of its glory in details. So if you’ve ever been curious about what the nuke van looked like, the, the current issue of OVR has, it has a very nice, I think it’s like eight pages or something. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 3s):

That’s the van that I got some special chocolate chip cookies made for me in which sounds

Scott Birdsall (49m 7s):

Super Dude, it’s the, it’s the V IP van,

Sean P. Holman (49m 9s):

Which sounds super gross when you say it like that.

Scott Birdsall (49m 13s):

It wasn’t a black couch, it was more like a, you sat on a cooler so it wasn’t that weird. Well

Sean P. Holman (49m 18s):

There was Buffalo check involved. There

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 19s):

Was nothing weird about it. I was kidding. This is a little man. Love

Scott Birdsall (49m 23s):

You guys like that. You guys like that little segue I gave you so you could, so you could plug your OBR mag. You like that?

Sean P. Holman (49m 28s):

Yeah, that, that was great. It was nice enough.

Scott Birdsall (49m 30s):

I’m getting to be an old pro at this. Listen,

Sean P. Holman (49m 31s):

You plug your, your sponsors, I plug mine. We, you know, you scratch my back. I scratch yours. That’s how it works.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 36s):

Scott, we love you. I will see you in a couple weeks out there in Wisconsin. And then Holman and I will take a trek up to Santa Rosa. You have our word. We will come up there

Sean P. Holman (49m 45s):

Before the end of summer.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 47s):

Alright, sounds good. Yep. All, right? Be well my friend

Scott Birdsall (49m 50s):

All. right. See you guys. All right buddy.

Sean P. Holman (49m 51s):

Talk to you soon. Alright, bye.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 55s):

All. right as if Scott Birdsall going into a ditch. Wasn’t new is enough for you. We got some more.

10 (50m 1s):

What’s new in trucks? We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need

4 (50m 9s):

To know lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks?

Scott Birdsall (50m 17s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 18s):

Oh, you had a kind of a deeper bassier there. Did you

Sean P. Holman (50m 21s):

Notice that? Normal? Nope. It’s the normal. Really? Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 23s):

No it was lower. No,

Sean P. Holman (50m 25s):

Totally normal. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 28s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (50m 28s):

The rumors of the 2025 Toyota Land Cruiser are getting hot And heavy. And it’s, so it’s in line with the rumors that we told you on the, the last couple episodes where it’s gonna be based on the Land Cruiser prodo platform, which is shared with the new GX five 50 from Lexus. The more retro Toyota like Grill and A. lot of people are trying to figure out, well what does it mean for Four Runner, which is on the same chassis and we don’t know yet. I would guess that the new Land Cruiser is gonna be a three row with the Twin Turbo V six and probably a front locker. Whereas the four runner will probably be a two row with maybe the Tacoma’s hybrid four cylinder and no front locker. And when they had asked a Toyota executive a while back why the new GX didn’t have Front Locker, the reply was something to the effect of that’s Land Cruiser stuff.

Sean P. Holman (51m 15s):

So I think that’s a good hint at what we’re getting. So I said the GX five 50 was what I believe to be a really great replacement for a Land Cruiser 80 series. But it sounds like the actual new Land Cruiser prodo coming to the us which probably will lose the prodo name, will actually be the better replacement for the Land Cruiser 80 series. ’cause it’s actually gonna be a Land Cruiser.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 39s):


Sean P. Holman (51m 39s):

So the Unicorn 80 series is front, rear and center locking differential

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 44s):

Front, rear and center would be

Sean P. Holman (51m 45s):

Pretty cool if the new one had that too and, and brought it back. But there’s gonna be some more, I hear some retro styling to it. I’ve heard different things about the headlights being round or square. Although Toyota teased a Land Cruiser profile next to a old FJ 40 facing each other on the socials and people already took the GX and overlaid the side view and it’s almost identical. Okay. With a few differences to the shaping of the bumper and the grill, everything else lines up. So it’s pretty much exactly what we thought it was gonna be. I for one, I’m super excited ’cause as excited as I was about the gx, it’s probably a little bit too pricey for most people and I think the Land Cruiser is gonna really hit the sweet spot. So fingers

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 25s):

Crossed. God, I wonder what it’s gonna go

Sean P. Holman (52m 26s):

For. This is the first Toyota I’ve been really excited about in a long time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 30s):

Not the GR Corolla or whatever it is.

Sean P. Holman (52m 31s):

Nothing’s cool, but it’s blowing up three cylinders. Have you seen some of the stories? I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 35s):

Have seen don don’t know if that’s just out of proportion, you know?

Sean P. Holman (52m 39s):

Yeah, you never know. I mean it’s just like you go on

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 41s):

On the forum of Yeah. I know, like YouTubers and stuff, they all got that car and they beat on ’em. So. Well

Sean P. Holman (52m 45s):

The problem is you go online and a small percentage is, is amplified everybody. That’s what everybody think they have the problem. Right? Exactly. Yeah. All right Lighting did you hear? No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 54s):


Sean P. Holman (52m 55s):

On the EV front, it’s kinda interesting that a, a bevy of manufacturers have signed on with Tesla to use their charging system. So Ford was the first automaker to switch from the CCS standard to the NACS Tesla standard. It sounds like General Motors, Rivian, Volvo Polestar and Mercedes-Benz with possibly Hyundai Kia and others that are gonna be switching over. So whoa, if you’re Tesla, wow. And your vehicles are quasi competitive or less competitive than they used to be because everybody else is coming out with like, you know, real, they own the sandbox for, you know, the supercharger network and now they can do licensing agreements.

Sean P. Holman (53m 39s):

Isn’t that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 39s):


Sean P. Holman (53m 40s):

So they diversified their income stream, I’m sure. I don’t know what the deal is gonna be for other manufacturers. And the other thing is, if you’re Tesla

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 48s):

Tesla’s an they’re now, they’re a a energy company. Well

Sean P. Holman (53m 51s):

That’s exactly right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 52s):

Like Nikola wanted to be,

Sean P. Holman (53m 53s):

They’re, they’re an energy company. So that’s part of it. Although if, if, and then if you think about it, you’re now exposing all these different EV owners to your vehicles all the time because they’re seeing your logo at your charging station. The thing that’s gonna suck for is all the Tesla owners who are gonna pull up and it’s gonna be a sea of everything else and they’re not gonna be able to get their charger. ’cause as we’ve talked about before, it’s at least in California where we are very, what I would call charger dents. You’re starting to see lines to charge vehicles now,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 21s):

Isn’t it though? Amazing that just a few years ago people were just IX Nang, the Tesla, right? The car, it’ll never make it. GM will trounce them. Ford will trounce them. Not only Are they kicking, but they’re kicking ass on the charging network. Like they’re going to electrify America faster than America electrified or whatever that company is called. Electri

Sean P. Holman (54m 44s):

Electrify America. Yeah. Yeah. That’s actually what it’s called.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 46s):

That’s what they’re doing. It’s just amazing for the company that people thought were gonna get just beaten.

Sean P. Holman (54m 54s):

Hey Lighting, did you hear what?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 57s):

No, no. don don’t think so. So

Sean P. Holman (54m 58s):

I know you’re a fan of the little Brazilian Ram Rampage. Love it by the way, Ram Rampage. Yes. So apparently they put up like a first batch or something like that. And the initial batch was of 500 trucks. It’s sold out in 28 minutes. Holy crap. This is done. And then This is in Brazil. Yeah, in Brazil. Okay. And there’s a second batch that they ran out, like another 1100 more pickups and those are all reserved. And so delivery started in August in Brazil. But the, the demand is there. The truck looks great. I think it’s gonna be really cool for the US market for Maverick to have a little competition because Maverick is, well Maverick seems to be killing it in the small truck market with 42,499 sold in the first half of 2023 compared to only 20,050 from the Hyundai Santa Cruz.

Sean P. Holman (55m 58s):

And so it looks like, you know, that market’s growing, there’s room for competitors in there and it, it would make sense for Ram to jump in on that as well.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 6s):

Wow. I wonder what the Maverick aftermarket looks like right now. ’cause I don’t honestly know Like are there performance mods for Yes,

Sean P. Holman (56m 17s):

Yes, they’re livernois. We’re gonna try and get those guys on, have a tune for it. There’s, I think, think GFC has a camper for it or I mean there’s just, there’s all sorts of stuff. Stuff.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 26s):

MagnaFlow have an exhaust for it.

Sean P. Holman (56m 27s):

I don’t know. Okay. I know. We’ll have to. Oh, interesting. We’re supposed to have Rich on soon. So, okay. At MagnaFlow. So looking at the mid-size truck sale, speaking of, of sales, Toyota Tacoma continues to kill it with 116,845 trucks sold. That’s seven 5% change over the first half of 22. You say

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 47s):


Sean P. Holman (56m 49s):

Yeah. So if you combine the GM twins, so obviously the Colorado and the Canyon, it’s 44. 889. Yeah. Number three is the Nissan frontier. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 57s):

No joke.

Sean P. Holman (56m 58s):

And at 34, 1 39 and Nissan would be second place for the first half of 2023 if you separate out Colorado and Canyon Nissan was 34 1 39 and then Colorado was 33 1 65. But check this out, Honda Origin like 27, 4 30, that’s a 38% change over year over year for the first half of last year. don don’t know. Maybe it’s ’cause that Honda H Sport package it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 21s):

People stop it people

Sean P. Holman (57m 23s):

Seriously. And then it’s just ahead of the gladiator by about a hundred units then the Ford Ranger and then the Canyon at 11,000. So anyway, kind of, kind of interesting to see how the sales down,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 34s):

Go back to the beginning of the list here again. What was the jump between or the disparity between the two top?

Sean P. Holman (57m 39s):

So one 16 forma one 16. Yep. 34,000 for Frontier. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 43s):

Stop right there. One 16 Yep. To 34,000.

Sean P. Holman (57m 47s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 48s):

Holy mackerel.

Sean P. Holman (57m 49s):

And everybody in the top three drop percentage and, and Toyota Claude some back. I wonder if they’re doing deals on Tacoma right now with the new one on the way if they’re trying to clear out inventory or what? I doubt it. I have no idea. I doubt it. Then 33 for Colorado. 27 for ridgeline. 27 for Gladiator. 24,000 for Ranger, 11,000 for Canyon. So hey lighting, did you hear? What you talking about was for 2024 Ford Maverick loses a standard hybrid power powertrain.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 15s):

Whoa. That’s not right. Why?

Sean P. Holman (58m 19s):

Well, it’s not going away. The Maverick will now get the two liter eco boost, four cylinder turbo as its base powertrain while the 2.5 liter hybrid. It’s not going away. It’s just gonna be an option. So the gas only model, remember when it started it was like $19,000. Remember the Ford Lightning was like at Oh? yeah, it’s a 55 and now it’s like at I know 70 or something.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 38s):

So what’s Maverick up to now?

Sean P. Holman (58m 39s):

24,000 909 5. Which is not as good of a deal as it’s not as sweet as

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 46s):

It was. Not as sweet.

Sean P. Holman (58m 48s):

No. So 25 grand still good

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 49s):


Sean P. Holman (58m 51s):

It’s still the cheapest. Yeah. Or one of ’em. But you’re gonna pay a $1,500 premium if you want the hybrid model.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 56s):

God, if you had gotten in on those early orders, you’re just laughing.

Sean P. Holman (59m 0s):

Well I I bet those things are just killing it in the secondary market right now. You know, used cars. Alright, lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 7s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (59m 9s):

So here’s the interesting story I, I think I brought up in a previous episode a week or two ago, how the rules were changing in Stellantis was only gonna stock four by e vehicles in their dealerships in California and in the 14 carb states.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 25s):

Yeah, it was super convoluted. Okay. Like how were you actually going to buy the So I? The Jeep Jeep. You wanted So I found So. I

Sean P. Holman (59m 30s):

Found out more info.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 31s):

Right? Oh, okay.

Sean P. Holman (59m 32s):

So Jeep Wrangler and Ford Bronco are in a sales battle right now. But these new rules take in effect in 2026 All. right? So if you’re in California or one of the 14 plus Washington DC carb states, which include Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Virginia, or Washington State, you’ll no longer be able to buy a straight ice vehicle from Jeep off the dealer lot.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 2s):

You can still get one. You

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 3s):

Can’t. You have to order it. You have to order it. They can’t or won’t stock it because the rules are changing 26 and they’re trying to get people ready. Here’s where it’s kind of messed up though.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 11s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 12s):

So apparently Bronco will be allowed to have gas powered only gas powered vehicles in those states. Poor K. So what I’ve come to find out, because I was curious about that too. I’m like, well, why could I go and walk in and get a ice Bronco, but I can’t get ice only is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 31s):

Jeep that carbon credits because Ford has the Lightning. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 34s):

No, it’s carbon credits because Ford and four other manufacturers made an agreement with Carb to say that they would do better on their emissions. And so carb for the sake of carbon credits, judges them on a nationwide scale in terms of sales. Whereas Jeep is being judged on just those 14 plus Washington DC So there’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 56s):

Not parity. How did they get to, how did they get asked outta that deal?

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 58s):

So. I guess they decided not to sign on. So they don’t have the special carb consideration that Ford and four other manufacturers have. So that means that you could walk in and buy a regular gas powered Bronco, but not a regular gas powered Jeep. So is that gonna hurt their sales because it’s California? I mean, that’s a pretty giant state for sales.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 18s):

So, I have to think. Yes, because people just, they whiplash by, right? They just, they totally.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 23s):

And so Stellantis is gaming the system by putting the, you know, every electrified vehicle. And conversely, in the non 14 states, they’re not gonna stock four by E they’re only gonna stock ice. And so now they’re breaking it up because they have to game the system versus some of their competitors who don’t. Right. But I’ve already talked to some dealers who’re like, oh, we’re just gonna say Joe Smith we’re one and back down. Oh really? So I. I think there’s gonna be, we’ve

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 50s):

Got 50 customers that just mysteriously didn’t pick ’em up. Yeah. Blow up. Weird. Strange. But I mean, doesn just sitting here.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 56s):

That doesn’t sound right. It it, it’s, it’s crazy. So it’s Ford, BMW, Honda VW and Volvo are the five companies that made a deal with carb organizers and they pledged to meet certain emissions goals. And so they receive more credits and then leeway in how the credits are calculated. Again, nationwide versus Jeep being part of Stellantis, they are only able to calculate off the 14 states plus DC

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 21s):

It is disgusting. It, none of it how much, how much pull the California Air Resource Board has. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 28s):

It’s, it’s horrible because you look at the, how the impact affects the entire automotive industry, but also carbon credits trading around does nothing for emissions. It’s, it’s, it’s a joke. Like, oh, so you’re gonna pollute more on this part of the country, but not these places. I mean, come on. It’s, it’s cars are so freaking clean now. Like go after other things. Like the freaking super tankers out here, you know, burning bunker oil. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 54s):

I saw Oh, my God. There’s now people talking about the freighters. Yeah. And they want, oh, the funniest thing I heard on NPR this week, Oh, my God, this woman is talking about how there’s a group that’s going after tankers and how to clean ’em up. And she suggests that why can’t they use wind power? And I’m like, wait a minute. She goes, they can, they can, there’s a design out there where there’s two really large sails. I go, no, it’s a 30 million ton brick in the ocean. Ain’t gonna be moved by any sail. No, it would have to, the sail would be up to the stratosphere. No, it was, are you kidding me with that? Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 31s):

Yeah. They Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 32s):

They have no freaking clue. Yeah, no freaking clue.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 37s):

Yep. Hey Lightning, have you heard?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 41s):

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I haven’t heard dammit.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 47s):

All right. Well if you, if you look up on the, on the, the pod shed here, there’s you I know you love patent drawings. Ooh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 54s):

That’s a Bronco with a guy standing out the roof.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 56s):

So Ford is, has patented a way for you to Offroad while standing up and control a vehicle through capacitive touch on the windshield frame. No. And while it’s, it’s humorous, you look at it and you’re going, well that’s how people die in rollovers. Yes. Maybe that’s not super smart.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 16s):

Why would they do this? This is, This is like a hand drawing of a Bronco and a dude in a button down shirt and his, in his collar shirt with his

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 23s):

Feet, his hands on the windshield frame.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 24s):

Yeah, his windshield frame. And he is like tapping what you would assume is like buttons right on the windshield frame. Stop it. People,

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 31s):

I, I mean

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 32s):

This is why carb hates us

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 34s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 35s):

Jackasses are freaking trying to dry from out. What? He’s got a ghost ride the whip from outside. Is that what he’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 40s):

Doing? Did I tell you that that actually looks like the first ticket I ever got.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 44s):

Oh no you did not. No.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 45s):

You were

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 46s):

Popping out of your what? 87

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 48s):

Ranger. 87 Accord. LXI

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 50s):

Out the sunroof.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 51s):

And I stood through the sunroof through an intersection following my buddy as the light turned orange-ish.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 0s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 1s):

As I went through the intersection with my hands in the air, kind of like that guy, I looked to my left and there’s a motor officer sitting right there. So that was my, that was my very first ticket. And apparently he knew my mom and he only wrote me for running a red and nothing else. ’cause he knew she would probably beat my ass.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 17s):

That would’ve been a bad ticket. That would’ve been bad. So, you know what we used to do? My buddy Dave had a, an old accord don don’t know, whatever. It’s like late eighties accord and pop-up Headlights pop-up headlights. Correct?

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 29s):

Yeah. 86 to 89. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 30s):

So he was really lanky. Okay. So me and my two buddies would sit in the back seat. Dave would sit in the front seat on the passenger side. No one in the driver’s seat. So the center console only extended down to where your knee was. So he’s sitting on the, on the passenger side, left hand over on the Wheel, left foot on the brake and the, on the gas. So there’s no one driving. So there’s three guys in the backseat and a passenger. And we pull up to the light and ev invariably someone would look over and not see anyone driving and Here we go Yep. Going down the street with a, a pass all passenger’s, no driver.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 6s):

So my dad had a old, I think it was a, a Malibu and all those old GMs, they had the same steering column for 400 years and the keys would wear out on ’em so you could pull ’em out while driving. So his buddy, while they’re driving down the street, grabs his keys and threw ’em out into a field and had to go find them. Yes, yes. Oh friends Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 24s):

They are, do you see like a sport bright guys or like, they’ll drive, they’ll ride along and one sport bright guy will reach over and de key the other guy and toss the keys. The guy just comes to a stop on the highway.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 34s):

So wrong. It’s great. It’s wrong with you people. This is why we can’t have nice things. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 40s):

No, no. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 42s):

I heard. And it’s freaking awesome. Okay. Did you share, did you see that the 24 GMC canyon a T four XAEV edition got dropped?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 51s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 51s):

So we talked about the AAV bison version for the Colorado. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 54s):

Super sexy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 55s):

I actually think the GMC looks better. Okay. It’s, it’s, it’s stunningly because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 0s):

The grills are always better than the

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 1s):

GMCI just, here I’ll, I’ll, I’ll throw it up for you. I think it is a great looking truck. Obviously you’re adding to it 35 inch tires, AV wheels,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 12s):

Those are nice wheels.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 13s):

Rock sliders. Yep. Full skid platting underneath are those speed locks? They’re I believe they’re B lock capable. Okay. Also still comes with the, the d SSVs. That’s new for the canyons. ’cause it was a domain of the Chevy trucks. And now they’re getting the, the multimatic dampers on ’em now too. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 28s):

Like five grand just in dampers all the way around.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 30s):

Yeah, those, those shocks are awesome. The interior looks great. Rock rails on it. Full skid platting a winch bumper with a come up winch on it. Look how integrated that looks. It looks the,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 40s):

The So good. Oh wait a minute. Hold on. Pause.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 42s):

AV branding. These, these

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 43s):

Look very, very similar to what we saw at Overland Expo. Those bumpers on the

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 49s):

GMC AAV heavy duty. Yeah. Yeah. So they’re making a whole family, but it’s, wow. It’s a great looking truck. AAV rear bumpers with actual rated shackles on the back shackles. Yeah. And look at the interior

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 3s):

Two tone. Three tone.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 4s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 5s):

Oh. yeah. It’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 6s):

Red, black, white AV stitching on the headrest and red contrast stitching and seat belts it looks like too. Which is super rad.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 14s):

That’s bitching. It’s gonna get a little dirty, but, but killer looking.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 17s):

So anyway, I’m super stoked. We won’t, we won’t belabor it too much because we’ve talked about the Colorado and it’s basically the same thing, but holy freaking a, is that truck gorgeous? I think that’s gonna be the, the truck to beat. Think about it. You get from the factory everything that you would upgrade, you don’t even need to do suspension on it. You’re already running 30 fives on a midsize, like what’s there left to do. You put in your, your cargo stuff like your fridge slide. You put in your Midland GMRS radio and your onX and and you go

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 46s):

Enjoy it. At some point they’re gonna offer those products you just recommended. You

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 50s):

Literally won’t have to go buy any of that stuff later. I mean that’s, that’s pretty awesome. Hey lighting, did you hear

11 (1h 8m 57s):

I don’t watch the news ’cause I’m a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 0s):

Kid. Nope. Haven’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 1s):

Heard All. right. So Truck House, BCR Camper. So This is a more AV vein.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 8s):

Saw that very cool looking

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 9s):

Ram 3,500. It looks like a prospector XL without a bed, but it has truck houses, carbon fiber, basically house. I mean dude, that thing is so cool and I,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 22s):

So This is unlike like a, a Lear or one of those other brands that are cool. But This is,

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 27s):

This is a bolt on camper. Yes. That bolster the frame. It doesn’t slide in the bed. There’s no bed on this. It’s, but

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 34s):

I’m saying but This is rounded. It looks a little more aerodynamic, but Well it’s, check this out. The windows are all in. Oh what? They

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 40s):

Actually have computational fluid dynamics of wind flow and they have like little vents that channel wind around it to make the aerodynamics of the camper even better.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 50s):

That’s great. And look at solar on top. Integrated dual vents on the, on the top. So this, what I love about it are the windows that look nothing, looks like they cobbled it together. Everything is integrated.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 2s):

Yeah. Nothing looks like it came from Camping World like it. Yeah, good point. Right, right. I mean it’s, it’s all really, really high end looking stuff. But Truck House is basically going to be doing, if you remember they did the Tacoma one that was at SEMA a couple years ago. Yeah. And we talked about that. So they’re coming on the show hopefully sometime in August. And then we’ve got an opportunity to see the prototype once it’s being built. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 23s):

Now can we afford them? Can can we afford to You and me. Yeah, no. Can we afford to have them as guests? We, ’cause they’re it’s spendy everything they do Oh.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 31s):

Yeah. That’s why we’re only having them as guests. We can’t afford to buy anything from ’em. All. right. But now I think, I think This is gonna be pretty crazy. So I say the prototype stage deliveries will be spring of next year, but you can place a $10,000 deposit down to reserve the luxury camper on wheels.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 47s):

So what is the price? ’cause they don’t sell just the house on the back. Sell the whole

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 52s):

Truck. No, you get the truck. Right. 80 prospector XL with forties with it bolted on the back. So the Toyota Tacoma based version, the BCT that they did in 2021 mm was 350. Okay. Okay. But the technology that’s in This is really fascinating. So we’re gonna, we’re gonna be able to talk to those guys and talk about, you know, how they, how they build it and all that. We will have more on the show later. But it was one of those things that came up and I was like, man, that thing’s cool. Yeah. I mean, I don’t think they would let us even borrow it for a weekend.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 22s):

I feel like talking to them is gonna be like when you phone up your attorney and he’s charging you by the minute we’re gonna get a bill for this interview. Yeah, it’s,

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 28s):

It’s better. We just, we’d. So, okay, here’s the here’s the game plan. Don’t ask them to drive it when they’re on the phone.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 35s):

Oh, okay. Just

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 36s):

Stay away from that All. right. Don’t we just, we’re we’re gonna come on and then we’re gonna jettison them immediately before our mouths get us in any trouble that’s gonna cost us money. Got it. All, right. Amen. Hey lighting, did you hear? Good

12 (1h 11m 46s):

God in heaven. Ruby, there are just so very many ways for me to say this to you. Never. Not in a million years. Absolutely not. No way. Jose, no chance Lance yet. Negatory? Nah. Uhuh and Of course. My own personal favorite of all time, man. Falling off of a cliff.

13 (1h 12m 2s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 4s):

I have not heard. Holy

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 5s):

All. right. Well, I wish I had a better story because this definitely does not live up to that drop. But we talked about the 2024 F-150 Raptor getting a, a new freshened face and it, it looks like more vehicles. Both the XLT has been spotted. The Lariat. And how about this tremor grill of the refresh up on the screen here. I think it looks really good. Oh wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 27s):

What with that interesting, like really wide honeycomb. That’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 30s):

Cool. Well, I mean, yeah, it’s like a, a giant honeycomb in the grill and a lot softer around the edges. I think it’s pretty cool. Hey lighting? Did you hear?

12 (1h 12m 39s):

What? No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 40s):

No, I don’t think so.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 42s):

Ford Bronco plugin hybrid is coming in 2025 and there’s started to be a little bit of information. So obviously with the success of the Wrangler four by E and maybe Ford realizing that they need to have a, in the inverse of the ice, I’m sure there’s gonna be people who want the hybrid, they need to have a, a vehicle that will compete head to head with that wrangler. So we expect that the Bronch will probably get a facelift and then the upgraded drive train options probably for the 2024 model year. And I, it’ll be interesting to see the Wrangler four by E gets 25 miles of battery only range. So it’ll be interesting to see if Bronco gets around the same or if Ford beats them. And you know, more’s always better when you’re delving into that side of the technology space.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 27s):

Will it come with those ugly ass wheels up on the screen there? ’cause those are just, but they’re awful, man. Are those Bronco wheels just f

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 37s):

How do you really feel?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 38s):

I think they’re great. I want a set. Hey

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 40s):

Lighting, did you hear? No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 41s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 42s):

Lordstown seeks buyers for their endurance pickup after the lawsuit and bankruptcy. So now they’re trying to sell the IP on the pickup truck to see if somebody else wants to build their ugly ev truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 54s):

Oh, they just want to jettison all of it. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 56s):

Well they’re in bankruptcy, right? It’s, it’s, they’re trying to find a buyer. They spend all the money. The the truck is basically stillborn. There’s a few of ’em out there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 5s):

No, you and I saw one at sema, remember we did. And we were like, wait, there’s there’s no way This is a Lordstown truck in in our

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 10s):

Presence. Yeah. Because We didn’t think that Lordstown was gonna make it because worst case scenarios seem to have been floating around and it looks like worst case scenario is coming to fruition. So if you are listening to The, Truck, Show Podcast and have billions of dollars, you could buy the design. And why are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 26s):

You listening if you have billions of dollars

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 28s):

And why aren’t you helping us to make the show last? Yeah. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 33s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 34s):

The 2024 Jeep Gladiator Freshening that gets the same grill that you don’t necessarily love as the Wrangler and the new dash with that awesome giant, what was it, 12.4 inch screen. Love

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 44s):

The screen, the grill. Not as much. Maybe it’ll grow on me.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 48s):

It’s it’s definitely grown on me. I I saw it a while ago and I was like, yeah, All. right. I don’t know that I would swap it out on mine, although it’d be nice to have the extra, you know, airflow. Yeah. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 59s):

Anyway, I mean, This is not Chevy Silverado non-high country ugly. No. You know,

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 3s):

It’s no

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 4s):

Snow tire, whatever that

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 5s):

Crap is nothing like that. Yeah. So the, the, the gladiator hasn’t been announced that it’s being freshened, but obviously, you know, Jim hinted at it in our, our last episode and so there’ll be some more information on the, the 2024 Gladiator soon. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 19s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 21s):

Speaking of Offroad SUVs that have become trucks, the Iios Grenadier is,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 28s):

Wait, what, what did you just say?

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 30s):

The Iios Grenadier. Bless

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 31s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 34s):

Are you done? Yeah, go ahead. All. right. So This is the awesome Land Rover defender style SUV that’s coming outta Britain. Okay. They have tees, they’re quartermaster pickup truck. And it’s supposed to debut around the time this podcast drops. So hopefully we’ll have some, some new information. But the Grenadier SUV has been seen as a double cab with no bed on it in spy photos.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 59s):

All, right. That 1981 called and wants their SUV back.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 4s):

Nope. You don’t get

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 5s):

It don. Don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 6s):

You specifically saying that tells me that you don’t get it. I don’t get it. This is what the Land Rover defender should have been. And instead they made it an all independent suspension minivan, luxury minivan with swinging doors. Th the story behind Iios. If I can get somebody from Indios on the podcast to talk about why This is a, a modern version of the defender built by an oil tycoon who said, This is wrong. I want this vehicle, nobody makes it. I’ll make it myself. No

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 35s):

Kidding. And

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 36s):

The, the story’s fascinating. They use A BMW straight six in it and in fact,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 41s):

But it looks very Mercedes GWA ish to me.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 44s):

That’s just ’cause you’re seeing it like this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 45s):

Okay. That’s that rear three quarter.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 47s):

Yeah. Hmm. Yeah, you’re it’s it’s, it’s not, it’s it’s all what? The Land Rover defender. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 52s):

You’re right. The front is Land Rover. It’s all Land Rover Defender All. right. So I. Take that GWA comment back. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 56s):

Anyway, it’ll be interesting to see, but for people who have been following the, the saga of Iios bringing the Grenadier to market, you’ll be pleased to know that a pickup truck version is on the way. And I’ve gotta get my hot little mitts on on one of those. Hey, lighting, one more. Did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 11s):

No, no.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 13s):

Semi-truck manufacturers have apparently made an agreement with California for a complete and total ban on Diesel engines for 2036 with new vehicles.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 25s):

You are a lying sack of shit. No way. Are you serious? No, that’s, no, no. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 30s):

Months and months of negotiations,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 31s):

No batteries cannot haul enough weight around at this point, nor will they in what year?

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 37s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 39s):

No, I’m sorry, sorry.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 41s):

20 20 36.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 45s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 45s):

Among those who are part of the deal is Cummins Ford General Motors, Daimler, who just merged with Toyota when I was at the ACT Expo. Yeah. We talked to ’em about that. The agreement is about making sure 18 wheelers, garbage trucks, vans, anything on those big heavy duty chassis emit zero quote unquote harmful emissions by the middle of the next decade. So basically the, the truck and Engine Manufacturers Association agreed to these rules so that they would avoid a drawn out legal battle. So they bought themselves some more time, but they had to acquiesce to the direction it’s going. I I I’m not ready to, we’ve talked about EVs impossible.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 25s):

It’s important. Is it possible for trucks that are hauling 80,000 pounds to do it with battery?

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 34s):

Yes. Yes. Last mile delivery, things like that in town. Sure. Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 38s):

I’m talking about the 10 freeway from coast to coast,

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 41s):

Not with any sort of range and the amount of power and cabling you’d have to have. This is really pushing forward, in my opinion, hydrogen and fuel cells and things like that for over the road. Truckin, I’m fine with EVs for last mile delivery. I think it makes A lot of sense for round Town, but it doesn’t make sense out on the open highway. Especially going through, you know, Denver and I 70 and all that kinda stuff. So, you know, Davis Dam and Eisenhower Tunnel and all those places where truck manufacturers test towing. We’ll see, I mean obviously Tesla’s got their electric semi coming out and just as a comparison, Chevy Bolt. So, so you have to look at a bunch of things. I don, I won’t go too far into the weeds with this, but China controls A, lot of the supply and China is tightening that supply for the rest of the world as a strategic move.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 28s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 28s):

So you’re talking about like lithium Yeah. Cobalt.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 30s):

Yep. Such, you know, rare earth minerals and things like that. What are you gonna do when that’s, you’ve legislated only these vehicles into existence and then you run out of the ability to make those vehicles because you can’t get enough

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 45s):

Componentry? What happens when the world looks like a kid with really bad acne scars all over it? Well, because we’ve pit mined the living out of it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 54s):

So the Chevy Bolt has a 65 kilowatt hour battery. The little ev looking I guess roller skate. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 1s):

I love

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 2s):

The bolt in comparison. This Tesla EV semi is somewhere around 900 kilowatt hours. So one of those trucks, I mean do the math. 900 divided by 65. Yeah. Now I’m literally telling you do the math. I can’t do it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 18s):

Okay, hold on. Yeah. So 13.85.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 21s):

So 13 vehicles for each of those big old trucks, let’s say 10 to 13. Yeah, that’s A, lot of materials going into that sort of

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 30s):

Thing. Tons, tons of materials.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 32s):

And the problem with the hydrogen, I think fuel cells are viable, but there’s a couple problems is there’s not A lot of hydrogen infrastructure right now. And then you’re gonna have to have A, lot of capacitors not only in the trucks to release the power for climbing grades with all the power, but I think to have any sort of like fast ish charging on a 900 kilowatt battery. How are you gonna unload all that power in a reasonable amount of time? It’s gonna be crazy, dude. I’m gonna

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 56s):

Tell you where are, I mean how Are they going to retrofit every gas station right now with electricity.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 2s):

They’re already doing that. There’s already gas stations around here that have two stations. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 6s):

Well This is, that’s in a metro. Like what? In the middle of Wyoming, you know. Well what

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 8s):

About it? I wyoming’s not part of the 14 car

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 11s):

State. So what’s second? What and where’s all this electricity gonna come from?

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 14s):

Yeah, I do. We’ve talked about it. Oh, my God. It’s, it’s, it’s going to, there’s gonna be a need jerk. I’m So I.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 19s):

Want to thank, here’s who we

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 20s):

Need to, again, I’ve said, I’ve said there’s, it needs to be a tapestry of technologies. I know that and it needs to be A. lot of different things. And you can’t put all your money on one horse. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 28s):

Let’s do this. Let’s get Gail Banks on the show. He’s been doing A lot of research on the topic and he’s really fired up about it. And it’s not just because he’s quote unquote the the Diesel guy as you know he’s working on a, a military hybrid program. So he’s deep into electrification right now. Let’s get him to weigh in on the topic and find out where we’re really going with this

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 51s):

In. I’m down. Yeah. Okay. Alright, well that’s all we got for news. Believe it or not. I’m actually out

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 58s):

Holman. It looks like you have about 10 pounds of email over there

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 1s):

And it’s all about your license plate.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 3s):

Oh no,

8 (1h 22m 5s):

You email. Yeah, I email Do it. We email. That’s right. Everybody email type it up. You email proofread. I email send it. We email, click it every email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 20s):

So what you’re saying is everybody loves bro par, right? That’s what you’re getting at.

8 (1h 22m 26s):

I have

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 29s):

25 emails.

8 (1h 22m 30s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 34s):

I mean I’m gonna

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 35s):

Well I’m glad that the topic elicited a response so that’s good. Yeah, yeah. But now

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 42s):

I’m still passing out the emails. That’s how many of them we have.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 45s):

Okay. Should I start at some point? Mm, these are, these emails have A, lot of white space and they’re short, which means that people are just writing yeses and noss and things like that. All. right. While you’re doing that, I’m gonna read a DMM from Jeff Ratcliffe at LBC Lightning. Hey Lightning, I’ve got a 2010 E three 50 van with a five four and the factory tow package. I use this to tow my travel trailer and would like to get a little more performance out of it. I recently replaced the engine and was trying to get some performance parts, but California sucks and won’t allow anything it seems. I was thinking about the pedal monster. Do you think it’ll help also, the van is lifted on 30 fours with 3 73 gears. Thanks for your time. Long, long, long time. Listener of Kro haven’t tuned back in since the band all broke up.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 27s):

And, that means the Kevin and Bean morning show in Kro. Los Angeles. They were all fired. And anyway, talk to you soon. So Jeff, I wish that I offered a pedal monster for your E three 50 van. It’s possible that the F two 50 for 2010 will fit and or work. I’ll send you one if you want and you can try it and if it, if it works, great If not, send it back. You’ll know right away. How about that deal. I’ll reach out to you on, on the Graham and work that out with you.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 59s):

All right? I got this one from Doug Bassett. It’s a great episode on the Bill Bilstein products. Holman and enlightening. Thanks for having the dudes from Bill Bilstein over in the pod shed. Ever since I bought my 2022 Ford Maverick, I’ve been wanting a better shock and lift option for it. However, I couldn’t leave the truck stock. So I installed a two inch lift from a particular company to give it a better look and have been patiently waiting and emailing Bill Bilstein when they were gonna offer an option for my truck. Aaron Kaufman has said something like, this attitude is all about altitude. Keep monitoring those parameters. Everything matters in a Finnegan’s. Yeah buddy. And that’s from Doug Bassett. Yeah

14 (1h 24m 31s):

Buddy. Thanks for watching. And remember, everything matters. Master

15 (1h 24m 36s):

Monitor, key engine parameters.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 39s):

That’s the trifecta right there. This one is from Daniel Church. The subject line is, bro par is dumb. Oh no. Here we

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 51s):

Go. Okay, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 51s):

Here we go once again. Listen to home and come on Man’s what Daniel says.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 56s):

All, right? All, right. That’s one in the yummy gas column. All. right? Got this one from Jeremiah k Clingman says Yummy Gas and your friend at JJ Smokes tires, which is one of our, our guys on Instagram who, who follows us. And the subject matter of that was Idiot Lightning idea. God All. right? All.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 15s):

Right. So All right. The the next one is from Steven Watson writes to us quite often, owner

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 20s):

Of Off-Road Design. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 21s):

Right. Subject line is yummy Gas. And then the entire body of the email just says is

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 28s):

Better. Alright, that would be another one. Yummy Gas called. So now I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 32s):

Have to do we know that

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 34s):

Don don’t try and explain yourself out of

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 36s):

This. Do we know that? Well, Matt Gamble,

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 37s):

Our listeners are so stupid. They have no

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 40s):

Idea that This is self

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 41s):

Deprecating and they don’t understand why I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 43s):

Beyond that. I’m beyond that. Okay. I’m just gonna say that the original bro par idea wasn’t mine. I, I I get it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 48s):

We fucked about

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 48s):

That. I fell in love with it. We did. I’m just making sure. And we

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 50s):

Had Matt on the show. Okay, well we about headlights. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 54s):

But we, I don’t think that we gave him credit. Right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 56s):

Okay. So I. It’s Matt’s dumb idea. Got it. He loves it. I I get it. Person

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 0s):

Loves Okay. He swayed me and I’m like I love it. I think

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 2s):

It’s great All, right? We got this one from RB who is a longtime listener. Ray says,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 7s):

Hey, by the way, before you read this Ray, thank you very much Ray. You sent me, he’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 11s):

Been sending us all sorts of great technical articles Yes. About all sorts of energy and stuff like that. And by

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 17s):

The way, by the way, I’m working on a video with Gail Banks and about that very topic. So the recent like giant booklet that you sent me is epic. So thank you

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 26s):

All. right? So Ray says hello podcasters extraordinaire. Either of those TRX plates is okay yummy gas or pro par if both are taken at face value. But if I understood the TSP batch on the subject correctly, IE the undercurrent is that Jay feels anyone who drives a Mopar is a jerk or a joke and therefore worthy of sarcasm. I would vote for Sean’s original yummy gas. Right? That’s another one. The yummy gas column. Separately to me the TRX never seemed like a good fit for Jay. Given his bank’s preference for gm. I predict Jay will divorce his TR Rx within 18 months. Maybe TSP can have a contest to see who gets closest to the date. Jay sells his TRX

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 5s):

Ray. Interesting. I love these psychoanalysis here.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 9s):

I and I love that you’re not denying it. That’s cool. PS I will report in soon with regards to my ID dash data monster and Pedal Monster took a while to figure out what was causing the issues, but I’m guessing that unbeknownst to me, my truck was still unsettled after an over the air update when I happened to install the bank’s gear the first time. I never got a notice of an OTA but my buddy who also has a 2020 EcoDiesel got an OTAA week earlier. So it’s possible my truck OTA while it was parked and hadn’t done enough rebooting itself to complete the OTA update over the air. by the way, update also Banks tech support. Thought perhaps I shut the truck down during DPF region. Which may or may not be true because the truck has never once indicated it was going in region and it won’t. They don’t tell you. It’s something you can hear, feel barely perceptible.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 51s):

If you know what you’re looking for,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 52s):

You can occasionally smell it on certain vehicles and the ID dash will

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 56s):

Tell you. And it says, it has never told me not to turn it off because it’s doing a regen anyhow, the truck is now operating normally again with no warnings, no pazo relay clicking in the exhaust system. So the next step is to try and reinstalling the Banks gear, which I’ll do this weekend. So we will anxiously await your update. And I believe Ray, especially on an eco Diesel, you’ll be very pleasantly surprised, which with the response from the pedal monster,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 18s):

The derringer on, on the EcoDiesel is it needs, it needs that power. And the next email is from Thomas Essinger. Subject line is bro par All. right? That would be, so that is one in the bro car pro par column.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 31s):

That would be a buzz.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 33s):

Okay. No, it’s a ding for me. No, it’s a buzz. Nope, it’s a ding

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 37s):

Ding. I got this one from Matt White says plates yummy gas All. right? That’s the fifth one in the yummy gas column. Pro par is good. Yummy gas is better I get it. But the self-deprecating humor probably won’t be understood by the majority of people. Just my guest. by the way. We have the black plates with white letters here in Colorado now I believe since the beginning of the year. And I’m seeing them all over. We got several new designs lately and these are super popular. I’m thinking about switching. We have way too many designs out here in Colorado. Thanks Matt.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 4s):

Man. Am I jealous? I should. My brother lives in Colorado. I should register the truck to Colorado and they can play and then get

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 12s):

Bro par.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 13s):

No, I I I can’t. I can’t now. I mean it’s clearly overwhelming. No it’s not. It’s only

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 16s):

Five to one’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 17s):

See’s landslide. Let’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 18s):

See where they go. ’cause we only had a couple emails on the subject. Carl

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 29m 20s):

Hockman writes in, my vote is for yummy gas.

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 24s):

Okay, And that to the column. How about Ozzy Sadik? The great plate debate which takes off of the US This is like the less great plate debate I think. Yeah. Lighting. You cat hating fool bro. Par is California pompousness at its finest. Why? What? I have never even heard of it until now. And I’ve been a Mopar guy for almost 30 years. I would stick with yummy gas or if you want something along the same lines, Mo gas please. More gas please. Or mo gas. Now more gas. Now we went through all those by the way, when we were picking out his plate. Not sure if there’s any talking sense into you, but thumbs down to bro par. Also, can you guys send me your mailing address? I’ve had, well for a bomb, I’ve had something sitting in my office for two years now.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 5s):

Yeah, A bomb. I wanna send your

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 6s):

Way. Ryson here. Yeah, something bad.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 9s):

Have him send it to Old Banks there. You sent it to Banks And that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 12s):

I love the fact that he didn’t know about Bpar. That’s okay with me. That means that people have been protecting him. You know what I’m saying?

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 18s):

No I don’t.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 20s):

This one’s from my Mike Boyle plate Debate two words. No bro bar.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 26s):

Okay. That’s got yummy gas All, right? I got this one from Jay. Romy. he says license plate pole. Since you asked about what plates Jay should use, I vote he keeps his current plate yummy Gas All. right? Add that there. I don’t think most people even know what Mopar is. I guess that could make it an inside joke. Or even show California pompousness though. Jason,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 44s):

Why Are? they all saying California pompous. How does everyone knows Mopar in the automotive community? ’cause

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 49s):

Bros came from California, but

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 51s):

Bros are also frat boys at every college, at every state in every state.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 55s):

Not in the automotive world, no.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 30m 56s):

Oh geez. All, right? Benjamin Kale. Sorry. Lightning. I vote for yummy gas ’cause it’s superior.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 3s):

You know what that was number 10 for yummy gas. Okay, how about our friend Rich Holdaway up there in Holster California? Lightning Holman. My vote Yummy gas. Am I never going to ever receive a vote ever in the history of ever bro Par j Bro? Just no. Please insert the No, no, Nope. Hell no, no, no soundbite here.

16 (1h 31m 23s):

No m no, no, no, no, no. Hell no, no, no, no, no.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 31m 35s):

Hmm. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 36s):

He also continues. So no mounting parameters for Pro Par? No. Yeah. Buddies for Pro Par. No. Five stars for Bro Par. Just 0.78% star. That’s it. Thank you Rich.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 31m 49s):

That hurts.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 50s):

And he’s your buddy too.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 31m 51s):

Evan Jones. He writes, bro Par fits Lightning very well. Well, God damnit, you don’t understand why I, I wanted it So I

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 1s):

Fit me. So. I’m, I think he’s joking, but I’m gonna go ahead and put that in the Bro par column just to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 5s):

All right to

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 5s):

Put my finger on the scale.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 7s):

I’m not sure I want it though.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 8s):

Dean Davidson. The, let’s just say the subject line is bro par is a word that’s not manly. Lemme see it. And it says Yummy gas is my vote. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 17s):

A three letter word. Word that yes you, yeah. Okay. Trevor writes in, how is it even a question? he says Pro par. Really? Sure. That’s amusing to the five people who get it. I think 99% of the people won’t understand the plate like Goldman said. Might even confuse it for golf. Someone who doesn’t get yummy gas is living under a rock. Go for the masses. Also not fixing that autocorrect little

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 45s):

Goldman because is Autocorrect Holman the Goldman, I’m sure. Let’s see this one. Here’s from our buddy Lars Dok who writes it from time to time. Lightning’s Plate Lightning. Yummy Gas is a way better plate. Lars All, right? That would be another hashtag there in the yummy gas column.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 3s):

Greg Madden writes, bro par for the win. I’m just kidding. He wrote Yummy Gas Rocks five Stars, bro. Par is something that douche would put on their truck. Love the five stars. Greg Madden pss Below is proof. I changed my rating back to Five Stars All, right? Well if running the yummy gas plate got us a five star review on the Apple Podcast app, Greg, I I appreciate it. I’ll take it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 28s):

Sam Houston t rx plate. There’s only one plate for the T Rx and it is Yummy Gas. Keep up the good work guys. Sam Houston.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 37s):

So what you’re saying is, I’m going bro Par, oh wait,

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 41s):

Not really. Whoa. We got one more here from Sean. Nelson says Lightning, by the way, the the title of it of it is Bro Par is Stupid Lightning Leave the Yummy Gas Plate. Let’s a Mopar bro have his plate for his former rental V six charger with Lambo doors and a terrible exhaust.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 57s):

That’s great. Yeah. That’s pro par. So see at least he understands he gets it

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 1s):

Right. Right, right. Yeah. And that he gets

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 3s):

It. That’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 3s):

Great. So I’m just gonna, let me just look at the column here. We have,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 6s):

So you’re saying it’s a landslide for, bro, everyone said get 10 Pro

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 10s):

Par, 10, 15, 16, that’s 17 with me. That’s 18 for Yummy Gas. And with you, that would be three for Pro Par.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 20s):

It’s not a really good ratio in my favor, is it?

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 23s):

I told you in the beginning that was the best plate you could’ve gotten. And everybody who’s seen that plate is like, that plate is awesome, especially on the T Rx. Mm. And you wanna go and ruin the magic.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 33s):

No, I’m, I’m It’s on It’s on the truck now. It’s been on the truck. Stay on the truck.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 37s):

Well, the listeners have spoken,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 40s):

They have spoken, they have laid down the law.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 41s):

So I mean you can change it, but I would not advise you to do that Sir All. right? Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 45s):

I’ll play this as an apology for putting the listeners through that.

17 (1h 34m 49s):

We are deeply sorry. We are sorry. We’re sorry.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 58s):

We are sorry. The Lightning. Sorry. Is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 1s):

Is that the way we we end this particular episode?

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 4s):

Yep. Another win for Holman.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 7s):

I hate losing, I’m getting used to it though. A little, a little less sting this time I think than the last 35 times.

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 13s):

You still have a great plate. The

3 (1h 35m 14s):

Truck show. The truck show. The truck show.

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 20s):

I mean, not everybody can have such an amazing personal crafted, clever license plate that so perfectly matches their vehicle that it it, it basically excites automotive enthusiasts and, and it procures Laughter This

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 41s):

Is just you patting yourself on the back for coming up with a plate. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 44s):

It’s a hundred percent what? It’s, and also one more time where the listeners sided with me. Thank you listeners. I love you. I think that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 51s):

Like 99 for you and one

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 54s):

For me. Hey, you got your one? Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 56s):

Doesn’t feel very good though.

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 58s):

You’re gonna tell me that the, the sting is still the same.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 1s):

It’s the, it’s it hurts.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 3s):

It’s deep down or just on the surface.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 5s):

Yeah. No, it’s like getting spanked by your dad. You know, it’s like’s like with a

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 8s):

Belt. Well if you just listened every once in a while, you wouldn’t have to go through that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 12s):

Just, I I like being defiant, you know what I’m saying?

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 15s):

All right bro. Par it’s you do that. You know you’re gonna do, you’re gonna go start a new Bro Par Instagram and the first pictures is gonna be your license plate. I should, you should just do a, a picture of the bro par plate in front of random Mopar vehicles. That’s what I should do. It should be And you probably get

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 29s):

Rich off it. It should be all the douche bags that that drive, bro. Pars.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 32s):

That’s right. Just walk, go to car

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 34s):

Shows. Minus, minus That one guy that emailed us that didn’t know that bro Par was

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 37s):

The thing. Seriously go to go to whatever car shows, find any Mopar vehicle and just take random pictures in front of any vehicle it looks bro, and then post it on at bro par on Instagram. The problem

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 47s):

Is, is that the Bro par thing is not the vehicle itself, it’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 52s):

The driver, right? No, but but the It’s the driver’s. Yeah, but the vehicle’s an extension of the driver. It is. You don’t know it’s a bro par until you see how that person has outfitted their rig. It’s both, it goes hand in hand. Okay. It does

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 4s):

All. right. I’m just, I can’t explain it to someone who doesn’t already understand it. You know what I mean? You don’t like, you just either get it or you

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 11s):

Don’t. You know what’s beautiful about yummy gas? What’s that? You don’t have to explain it. That’s true. It just, it’s just magic. It’s license plate magic. And I think you should be like, yeah, I have won. ’cause you really do win in the end. Like, I guess it,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 22s):

I, I guess I do win. So thank you All.

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 25s):

Right. If you want to follow more of the truck Show Podcast shenanigans at

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 29s):

Lighting, they won’t, they’ll be Lightning This is, they’re tapping out

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 30s):

Right here. They’ll be at Sean P Holman or at Truck Show Podcast. You can visit us at truck Show Podcast dot com where you can see upcoming events. And by the way, we need more know your notes and we need more reviews from you guys. So if you’re, if you’re on Spotify, if you’re on the Apple Podcast app, please leave us a review five star, let us know that you, that you love the show and let everybody else know that they should spend time listening to us. Two Chuckleheads All. right? We haven’t heard from you guys in a while. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. And I would say we probably don’t need any emails this week. ’cause I still have another 20 in this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 3s):

Stack. Oh my, what is that pile? This is, holy crap. And those are not license plate related? No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 8s):

These are all frontier spotting Oh. my God. You have A. lot of work ahead of you. And there’s a couple legitimate questions that people send in and we’ll get to ’em on the next episode. So truck Show Podcast at Seriously, we joke around, but we read every single one. If. you guys have a question for the air, something we can help you with, help choosing a vehicle or accessories, or you just have a a common, please email us truck Show Podcast at Lightning at truck Show Podcast dot com or Holman at truck Show Podcast dot com. And if you need a new truck, head on over to your local Nissan dealer or go to Nissan or kid build and price or check out the features and benefits and pricing of the Nissan Frontier or the Nissan Titan and Titan XD half ton trucks Of course. The Titan, Titan XD come with the industry’s best five year, 100,000 mile warranty.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 51s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 51s):

If you’ve got a Toyota Tundra Tacoma, you got a Ford F1 52 53 53 9 2. You got a, you got a 3 92 and a Jeep, you got a three six, a two liter turbo. It doesn’t matter what you got, if you have a case of the slug pedals, is that even a thing, a slug pedal? Did I make that up? I I like to call

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 6s):

It the, the wooden wooden pedal. It just doesn wooden

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 8s):

Pedal just feels

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 9s):

Wooden. It just doesn. I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 10s):

Not sure what that means. What what? Responsiveness.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 11s):

Yeah, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 12s):

Just not responsive to me. It’s like you push down a sponge.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 14s):

Nah, it’s like you’re pushing down on a, like a, a board on a boat or something and just nothing happens.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 19s):

Okay, I can see that. Well, if This is you, you need a bank’s pedal monster. It is the world’s smartest throttle controller. It has the only one with OBD connectivity, and it’s the only one that puts you back in a stock throttle response when you back up so you don’t kill your neighbor

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 34s):

Or back your boat up into the lake with your truck and end up on qualified captain. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 38s):

Exactly right. Go to Banks to find yours.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 40s):

And one last place to visit onX where you can go and check out Onyx Offroad, which is the best map app for your next adventure. I use it exclusively for all of my adventuring. And there’s a ton of features including Route Builder, which you can build a route on your laptop and it shows across all of your devices. You can share it with friends and so much more. Go to the Apple App Store or the Google Play Store and you can download onX Offroad today.

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Joe Nelms (1h 40m 46s):

In Jesus’ name, Booy Booy Booy. Amen.