Engage in a dialogue with Matt Howell of Howell EFI to understand the intricacies of converting vintage carbureted vehicles into dependable and enjoyable rigs through electronic fuel injection. The discussion also touches upon a light-duty diesel exiting the market and another surpassing the competition in performance. Additionally, Mother Nature makes an appearance on the show. The Truck Show Podcast is presented with pride by Nissan, in collaboration with Banks Power and SD Wheel.


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So I’m telling you, the 1978 model pickup trucks are rolling in out of friendly Chevrolet every day. And. we still have over 80, 19 77 pickups and a different type of trucks for you to choose from. Alright? And the only way I know to get rid of ’em is to sell a brand new 77 half ton for 38 95. Can you believe that? No. Or how about a a half ton with a V eight engine and a four speed transmission? Has power steering. Power brakes. Front stabilizer bar has an eight foot bed, heavy duty rear springs and gauges for only 46 95. This is a 77 brand new.

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Here’s a 77 half ton, four Wheel drive for you guys are getting ready to go hunting. You know, hunting season starts the first of the month. This is just an ideal rig for you to come out and, and buy. It’s a four speed with a six cylinder engine. All right? Has gauges and eight foot long wide box on and off road tires and locking hubs. Brand new 77 4 Wheel Drive for 48 95. We’re open every night till 10 o’clock. Come out and kick a tire too.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 8s):

$4,800 Holman. Can you imagine buying a half ton pickup truck fully loaded? 4,800 bucks?

Sean P. Holman (1m 14s):

You wish you could get those prices again?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 16s):

Not no mo

Sean P. Holman (1m 18s):

It’s not true. It’s just gonna be roached out in a farmer’s, you know, field returning to the earth.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 23s):

It’s going to be a flat fender odd

Sean P. Holman (1m 25s):

Ford. No, that’s not returning to the earth. That’s sitting inside a metal shop being returned to this dimension. Okay. All right. This, this life. How’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 32s):

It coming along, by the way?

Sean P. Holman (1m 34s):

I don’t know.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 34s):

Oh, you don’t know?

Sean P. Holman (1m 35s):

I haven’t seen in a few months. Haven’t heard from Josh in a while. Oh, really? It’s fine. I don’t have room for it. I don’t have more money to pay him, so. Okay. We just let it,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 44s):

Let, let it be,

Sean P. Holman (1m 45s):

Let, it’s, it’s fine where it is. Well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 47s):

Holman, it looks like you did a nice job cleaning up after your backyard party yesterday.

Miles the Producer (1m 51s):

Hey guys. Miles, your producer here. Yeah, I saw the photos from whole man’s backyard party since he’s probably hung over. I’m happy to fill in I can talk about my Subaru legacy.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 3s):

No, no. That will not be necessary.

Sean P. Holman (2m 5s):

No, the, the, the, the, the party wasn great. I, I posted a ton of reels on how to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 11s):

Brisket barbecue. Yeah, I

Sean P. Holman (2m 12s):

Saw that. And yeah, I found really funky music to go with it that made ’em kind of fun. And wait, what

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 18s):

Is funky music to go with? Brisket?

Sean P. Holman (2m 20s):

No, on the reels, you idiot. Oh, gotcha. And yeah, no, that wasn, that wasn probably one of the best briskets I’ve ever done. Two of ’em. And they came out I Mean, absolutely stunning. And then for some weird reason, this never happens. The brisket’s finished early and so I had some extra resting time for them. and I looked at the smoker and that wasn still going strong at two 50. And I’m like, well, I got three tri-tip. So I smoked some Tri-tip and then reversed steered them on the Weber Genesis two. And those came out phenomenal. If you’ve never smoked Trit tip and then did a reverse sear, you’re, you’re missing, it’s not quite as good as the Triscuit, which we talked about earlier on a different episode a couple weeks ago. But this will take only about 90 minutes or or less.

Sean P. Holman (3m 1s):

So really quick way to, to have a deliciously scrumptious tri tip.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 5s):

Did you have any leftovers?

Sean P. Holman (3m 7s):

Not, not many. Oh really? Not many. Yeah. No. If you wanted to come to the party, you would’ve had to come to the party.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 12s):

Yeah. Yeah. I couldn’t, I was a little under the weather, as you can probably still hear in my voice. Yep. But

Sean P. Holman (3m 17s):

You, you made it to the show. So, so good, good on you for that. Yeah. So anyway, party wasn great food was off the hook. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 24s):

Wait, wait, wait. What did people think of the pod shed? This is the first time a lot of folks would’ve seen

Sean P. Holman (3m 27s):

It. Somebody left a wiener on our

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 29s):

Whiteboard. Oh, see the wiener over there? Yep.

Sean P. Holman (3m 31s):

I left the pod shed door open because we had a ton of people and everybody was wandering through that wasn, like a pod shed open house. And they all thought that wasn

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 38s):

Awesome. Oh, did they drop off gifts? Booze,

Sean P. Holman (3m 41s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 42s):

Oh, look at that. What is that? well, I’ve

Sean P. Holman (3m 43s):

Got a bunch of booze. I’ve, I’ve, there’s some more in the house. This one is the Kentucky

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 48s):

Owl. It’ll not surprise you that I’ve never heard of

Sean P. Holman (3m 49s):

That. It is called the Wise Man’s Bourbon. So it’s right here on the label. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 53s):

I am not a wise man.

Sean P. Holman (3m 55s):

I am really excited about this. So this is a 96.4 proof I’ve heard this is a really, really good bottle. and I haven’t had Kentucky Owl before. So super excited about that. And yeah, it’s, it’s been a busy couple weeks. So I recently got back from Detroit this week where I was at America’s Most Wanted four by four. Talking to Jared Petrin, who’s the owner there, And. he gave me a, a shop tour of the entire processes of how they blow wranglers and gladiators apart and turned them into their own bespoke vehicles. He let me drive a thousand horsepower Elephant Wrangler. Yes. In the rain,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 31s):

In the, oh yes. He’s

Sean P. Holman (4m 32s):

Like, yeah, just check it out in the, I’m like, are you sure? And then did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 35s):

He have, wait, did he have two Wheel Drive? Right. It’s

Sean P. Holman (4m 36s):

Not all Wheel Drive.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 37s):

You were getting sideways.

Sean P. Holman (4m 38s):

So the next day I took out a demon. And that wasn

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 40s):

Wait, wait, so you’re not gonna elaborate? Hold on. Just

Sean P. Holman (4m 42s):

Hold, just hold on. Okay. I’m trying to get to my story. All right. So the next day I took out a demon and the demon’s 840 horsepower. And this one was a customer’s vehicle that was on 40 twos.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 51s):

Did you go like, ah, weak? No, It was just in a thousand horsepower Jeep.

Sean P. Holman (4m 54s):

No, it’s, it’s, it’s undrivable at, at, you know, we’re at stoplight and you literally go like, maybe it, look, it feels like my Jeep with the banks’s pedal monster on Track 10. But all the time it’s so immediate and violent and the whole thing slides sideways as you get into it. You can stomp it on the highway at highway speeds and it will roast 42 inch tires.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 17s):

Is it scary?

Sean P. Holman (5m 18s):

No, it’s just awesome.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 19s):

It’s just

Sean P. Holman (5m 19s):

Glorious. And they do the whole chassis, so it handles really great and stuff. So anyway, got the full walkthrough from Jared on that. And, we got some audio clips. So maybe next episode or the one after. We’ll, we will, we’ll do that. So that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 30s):

Was, I’m excited to hear that, dude. It that

Sean P. Holman (5m 32s):

Wasn way better. Like you think, oh, I’ve been in a lot of bespoke vehicles, like rebuilt, like, oh, we’re, we’re a manufacturer. This is different. This is really good. And they feel like complete vehicles, everything works. There’s no lights, there’s no issues. You just get in and drive it. And the supercharger scream and the visceral amount of power. And except you could do zero to 60 in like three seconds or less in like a 6,000 pound Jeep on 40 inch tires, except you’re three feet off the ground when you’re doing it. So it just adds a completely different dimension to, to everything. And it’s, it’s silly. You just, you giggle, you laugh, you’re like, I just can’t believe the ridiculousness of this. And you know, one of the guys who took me out, Ethan, he’s like, dude, I wanna take you down this road ’cause I want you to take the off ramp really fast so you can feel our chassis.

Sean P. Holman (6m 18s):

And I’m like, dude, I’m on in an unfamiliar vehicle with like two times the power of my own vehicle that I drive. That’s a customer’s vehicle that is in an area that I’m not familiar with on a road I’m not familiar with and blah blah blah. Right. and I go and it’s $200,000. So like, I’m not, I’m not going to go 10 tenths here, And. he looks at me, he goes, well let’s be honest, it’s two 40 and the hell of that wasn closer to three. Oh my God. So I was driving a quarter of a million dollar one-off Jeep essentially. And that wasn the, the insanity they go through and they bob the, the gladiator’s beds and they put these big old tires and just like look like Hot Wheels.

Sean P. Holman (6m 59s):

And they’re so awesome. And the Gladiator, because of the longer Wheel base and what they’ve changed on the suspension is pretty amazing. So anyway, the whole, the whole experience over there was awesome. So I got some audio, I got some, some sounds of engines starting up and us just driving around. Alright,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 13s):

So that’s not this episode though. Alright, we’re gonna, so while you were there, sadly while you were there, I was in Sacramento hanging out with the guys that Stellar built. Yep. And they are like the,

Sean P. Holman (7m 21s):

They’re the Toyota Tacoma guys. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 23s):

They’re Tacoma guys and they’re like, not trophy trucks, but if you didn’t tell me that they weren’t trophy trucks, I would think they were trophy that

Sean P. Holman (7m 30s):

Wasn say drugs pre runners and stuff like that. They actually helped me. I worked with them in 74. Well, for the Quinn Tacoma portal build. Yes. So Dimitri over there,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 39s):

And, we talked about that a little bit. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (7m 41s):

So that, those guys that was awesome

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 42s):

Are awesome. And, I have a lot of real, if you’re into Toyotas, which I know a lot of you are Yep. That’ll be on an upcoming episode. Yep.

Sean P. Holman (7m 47s):

So yeah, we’ve got a, we got a ton of stuff. And And, we probably have two months worth of content. ’cause we’ve been both been so busy lately that we have, we will parcel out here in the next couple months. But I think this, the stuff that we’ve gotten lately is like off the hook. And then there’s so much other stuff. I went and drove a lifted Tesla, which was crazy. and I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 8s):

Had, and people were loving and hating on you. Oh yeah,

Sean P. Holman (8m 10s):

No, that wasn great. The, the reels. I did a couple reels on my page. I just has like 6,000 people that are like 80,000, you know, views on the reels. And now Facebook’s like, oh, your stuff’s engaging. Be a part of this creator program. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 22s):

Because you took a Tesla, lifted it off, went off road. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (8m 25s):

And I’ll tell you something funny, I won’t name names, but they’re like, Hey, this other outlet saw that and they want it. and I said, I will never work with you again if you give it to them before my story comes out on the OVR website. And they said, oh, you’re good. We got you And that other outlet. Yeah, yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 46s):

Still own some of our show. I

Sean P. Holman (8m 47s):

I I was, I was told there were some people that were like, how how’d he get that? It’s an ev rah. You

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 54s):

Know, I saw when he left the company, he would never be talking trucks

Sean P. Holman (8m 57s):

Again. I’m not saying that it’s Oh, my previous employer at all. Oh, got it. Just a random

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 3s):

Just media random publisher

Sean P. Holman (9m 4s):

Media group saw my stuff out there. So got it. Went out with Unplugged performance. We, we did this model Y with a two inch lift and all trained tires And. we went, you know, farted around the desert for a day and I was impressed. Like, listen, it’s not a truck. Wait,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 18s):

Wait, wait. You said farted around the desert? Yeah. Did you do the fart noise? Tell me you did the fart noise.

Sean P. Holman (9m 23s):

Oh, on the, the Tesla? Yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 25s):

No, on the dash You can do a fart. No. Right.

Sean P. Holman (9m 27s):

So anyway, we were out messing around with it and the person it’s perfect for is like, if you’re a Subaru Crosstrek owner and you’re like, I really wanted to get into BEV, the battery space, the full ev but nobody makes anything. This model y all Wheel drive with a two inch lift and all train tires is really darn capable compared to like a Subaru Crosstrek, which in its own right for what it is can take you pretty deep off road. I Mean. You’re not going to the Rubicon. Let’s face it like people are like, that was just a dirt road that berm was. And I’m like in the, in on my reel in the, in the description. I’m like, we were just playing around on a berm. ’cause I wanted to get a Wheel in the air and see if the Tesla Traction Control was capable of driving through that wasn. Which that wasn was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 7s):

That wasn. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (10m 7s):

And people were like, oh, that’s not even that hard. I can do that in my accord. And you’re like, no you can’t. ’cause you have front Wheel drive only there’s no all Wheel drive. So anyway, there’s a lot of haters out there. And listen, I’m, we’ve talked about this before. I don’t hate or dis or dislike BV I think there’s a place for it. But if new stuff’s coming out and it’s cool, like we’re gonna go do stuff with it, why, why would we stop ourselves from, and I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 26s):

Gotta say, dude, it is really rad that The Truck, Show Podcast is being asked to do the same things that big media companies are being asked to do. That’s like, you know what I’m saying?

Sean P. Holman (10m 37s):

Yeah. I Mean. I know people,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 38s):

I’m just saying I know people. You didn’t lose any Leicester when you left the Trend. No,

Sean P. Holman (10m 42s):

No. So, and then last week we were both over at TMI in Corona, California, they do the a lot of Truck Interiors Classic.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 50s):

That was impressive. Yeah, they had that tour was very cool. Our

Sean P. Holman (10m 53s):

Buddy Ross is the marketing guy over there and he’s like, Hey, we’re doing this open house. And so I’ve been judging for their Trim awards, which we did at SEMA last year on our show. Then he invited us out and then we interviewed a bunch of classic truck owners as well. So I think that’ll probably be in our next episode. So a bottom line is there is a ton of stuff going on and a ton of content and a lot of really neat stuff. But to Lightning’s point, this episode, we’re gonna focus on Matt Howell, who’s from Howell EFI. And, and Matt’s gonna walk us through EFI on vintage vehicles, which I think is really cool. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 21s):

If you’re sick of that old carburetor twisting that little itty bitty tiny screw to get the well idle right. Learn

Sean P. Holman (11m 27s):

A little bit about EFI on the show, right. And take that vintage ride, make it way more of a comfortable, reliable, daily driver. And so I’ve been excited. We’ve been trying to get this one for a while and for, for you vintage guys out there, it’s, it’s game changing. He’s gonna tell you how his company came to get into that part of the industry and, and why you should go with Howell UFI. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 46s):

By the way, Holman, I don’t think I ever told you that I was hanging out with Cody Sisson of the Trail Chasers podcast. Okay, good. He drives a, a super rad Nissan frontier, like full overland and I was really impressed. Like And, he is blowing past guys with a lot more expensive trucks. So we’re gonna have to have Cody on the show just to talk about his truck I think it’s, yeah, we’d

Sean P. Holman (12m 8s):

Love to. Yeah. And Of course, we’ve got a beautiful tie in with Nissan Of course. They’ve been our presenting sponsor for the last oh, six years or so. And that, that’s huge.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 17s):

Thank you. Six years.

Sean P. Holman (12m 18s):

So if you’re in the market for a mid-size or half ton truck, you wanna head on down to your local Nissan dealer, you can check out the frontier, check out the Nissan Titan or the Titan Xd Of course. The Titans come with the industry’s best five year, 100,000 mile warranty. And the Nissan Frontier is one hack of a reliable, perfectly sized, perfect amount of tech honest pickup truck. I love those things. In fact, I was just talking to my buddy Jared from the old job who came to the party And. he said he had taken out one of their long-termers, which was an SV Long bed four by four, so not the off road package And. he is like, I forgot how much I love that truck. He goes, I spent time more in the Pro four X And I hadn’t been in like the SV Long bed and I took it out to the desert just to, you know, with my dirt bike in the back And.

Sean P. Holman (13m 1s):

he goes, I’m driving down these dirt roads to get to where I wanna go riding And. I’m thinking, do I even need a pro fourex? I have everything I need in this truck. He says, it’s fuel efficient. Well, a minute, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 10s):

Powerful. Wait, we shouldn’t be talking people out of the pro fourex. No,

Sean P. Holman (13m 12s):

No, no. But if you can’t afford a pro Fourex, that doesn’t mean Oh good. that you can’t have offered capability. Good point. And so he got him down the road And, he is like, dude, great power, you know, 310 horsepower from the V six engine, the nine speed 80 automatic. He’s like, it’s as quiet as a titan, which they’re incredibly quiet, like great road trip machines. He goes, I had plenty of clearance even with an ssv without the bigger tires and the skid plates and stuff where I wasn’t worried about, you know, where I needed to get to. And the truck was. He goes, It was just everything about that truck. I was thinking, what else do I need out of a pickup truck? You know, I saw the Titan that was in my driveway and you know, we were talking trucks and It was just like, yeah. And that wasn great to know. We had firsthand experience, recent experience in a trim that we don’t talk about a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 50s):

Lot. So Holman, I don’t think you know this, but a couple weeks ago when I went to that pure four by four base camp event up in Big Bear, rented a bone stock mid-size pickup truck and had people test drive the pedal monster, the bank’s pedal monster and I. I I if I said that, people were blown away. That would be an understatement. What would happen is they’d get in and say, oh, this is just like my pedal commander, but your pedal commander probably throws codes. And I’m like, yeah, it does, but I’ve gotten used to it, you know, check engine lights and such. and I said, does your pedal commander have reverse safety? What’s reverse safety? I go put it in reverse. And they would, and they go, well, it feels like it’s stuck. I go, exactly. Pedal Commander does not have that Banks pedal Monster does

Sean P. Holman (14m 31s):

Don’t show up on qualified captain because you have your, while you’re reversing the boat down the ramp, you have it in track 10. Like that’s exactly, it won’t do that. What was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 39s):

The game changer? Holman is when I showed guys speed trim and they’re like, what speed trim? I said, how often do you have to dial down your pedal commander or your sprint boost or whatever those other brands are? Every time you want to go around the city and you don’t want it to be jerky or you’re pulling a trailer, they’re like, yeah, it’s a pain in the butt. I said, the pedal monster has speed trim. If you set speed trim to high, it doesn’t add any pedal sensitivity under 10 miles per hour. And they’re like, wait what? It’s perfect for towing snow, sand, rain. So if you like Sport 10, track two, but you don’t want it every time you’re leaving a stop sign or a green light, you can tell to Ease it in as you exceed 10 miles per hour.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 19s):

Go to Banks power.com, type in your year, make and model and find the world’s smartest and safest throttle controller.

Sean P. Holman (15m 27s):

And last but not least, we gotta talk about SD Wheel dot com. So SD Wheel dot com has the largest selection of in-stock wheels and tires. No matter what your build style is, they have got you covered. They’ll mount and balance and ship your wheels and tires for free. You can skip the tire shop, save yourself hundreds of dollars and the hassle you gotta go do. SD Wheel dot com. They have all major brands of both wheels and tires. And on top of that, a ton of truck accessories.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 52s):

And when Holman says a lot of brands I think all of them,

Sean P. Holman (15m 55s):

I’m pretty sure might be all the brands. And, and if it’s not all of them, the ones they don’t have, you don’t care about.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 60s):

No, that’s true. If it’s time to upgrade your wheels and tires, it’s time to visit SD Wheel

4 (16m 6s):

The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer what? The truck, because truck rides with the truck show. We have the lifted, we have the lower end, everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Oh, whoa.

6 (16m 37s):

It’s the truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 45s):

Mr. Holman, are we ready to dial Mr. Matt Howell of Howell EFI? You ready now? How about now? You can’t, you can’t nod your head And. we can see that.

Sean P. Holman (17m 1s):

Why do you need me to audibly say yes?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 4s):

Because that’s my Go ahead to hit the button to dial. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (17m 7s):

We’ll hit the button.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 8s):

We just burned like 90 seconds right there. We’re just waiting

Sean P. Holman (17m 11s):

For you to I was just say something, but yeah, I don’t like talking.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 14s):

Well then this is a bad job decision for

Sean P. Holman (17m 16s):

You. I know. We, that’s what we’ve been talking about it for six years.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 19s):

Should seek alternate employment.

Sean P. Holman (17m 22s):

I wish I could.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 23s):

Here we go. Hello. Hey. Hey, hey. Is this Mr. Matt Howell of Howell EFI? It’s Lightning at Home and Truck. Show Podcast.

Matt Howell (17m 36s):

It, it is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 37s):

Fantastic. Hey, before we can get on with the interview, we’ve gotta ask you this question. Do you prefer blues or death metal? You gotta choose one.

Matt Howell (17m 49s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 49s):

Blues. Okay, here we go.

9 (17m 53s):

The Innovator. Innovator.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 10s):

So Mr. Matt Howell is the innovator moderator I dunno if you could hear that over the phone or just a muffled mess, but that’s what it says. So Matt, welcome to the show Truck. Show. Podcast.

Matt Howell (18m 20s):

Thank you. Thanks. Thanks for having me. Fantastic.

Sean P. Holman (18m 22s):

So we, we were talking about EFI. So Howell’s been around, this is your 35th anniversary, right?

Matt Howell (18m 29s):

We’re actually in our 35th year this year. Yes, we are.

Sean P. Holman (18m 32s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 32s):

Congratulations. Yeah. That is a, that’s a feat that you a not owned by some giant investment firm DC right? Like, because you’re, wait, I gotta make sure you’re not only owned by the, the Holly Group or something, right? Who seems to buy everyone? No,

Matt Howell (18m 48s):

No, but no, you’re right. The, the industry has certainly been I. think there’s a couple companies that have pretty much gobbled off everybody. And. we, we’ve stayed outta that fray to this point and don’t really have any plans to sell. So we’re, we’re hoping that we can continue on. I’ve got a son who’s gonna be 18 in late this year, so I’m hoping that another generation is gonna wanna continue it on and, and we’re able to

Sean P. Holman (19m 12s):

I Mean. I remember, you know, I, I worked for MotorTrend Group and Four Wheeler and all those magazines for 20 years and I remember when I first started, you know, the, the Howell EFI ads and, and the Howell name going through the list of what you guys have now. It’s, it’s, I’m amazed at all the applications that you’re able to do, whether it’s the 50 state legal stuff or some of the vintage stuff, land Cruiser, G-M-T-B-I products, on and on and on. If you want to do an engine swap and you want to have EFI, you guys have people covered.

Matt Howell (19m 43s):

Well, that’s really how it started. My father was a engineer at the, at Chevrolet and the strange part is he really wasn’t in the electronics, you know, an electronic background, but he was in, he was actually in what was called the product promotion group at the time. And they got through all the race stuff, they got through all the cool things at GM. And this is before they even had the budgets they have now. But, but also at the tech center, at the time when the fuel injected stuff started showing up in the early to to mid eighties, GM was starting to put Corvette engines into Monzas. And they were doing all these, these great swaps there at the tech center, And. he had the opportunity to retire early and I was about 21 at the time, and it had been entrepreneurial my whole life.

Matt Howell (20m 28s):

So he said, you know, really there might be a business to, this guys are gonna start putting these, these fuel injected engines into everything. You know, I, that’s a Trend. We kind of see And, we decided to just, you know, make a go of it. And originally started by just making a harness for the two port Corvette and Camaro, which was around 85. Those came out. And the throttle body truck engines, And. that was really the cornerstone of, you know, of what got us going. Guys wanted to take those motors and put ’em in different things and you know, they needed to harness, ran ’em with the GM computer, get some reprogramming, and they were off.

Sean P. Holman (21m 7s):

So what is, what has changed with EFI and the, the computers and all that over the years? You know, when you guys first started, there were a lot of people in the Jeep and off road community, especially, maybe not as much as the hot rods, but maybe that were entrenched with the, with Carburation, and I’m never gonna give up my carburetor. Yep. And then EFI comes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 26s):

Well, those, those people are idiots by the way. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (21m 28s):

Well, well I I think you’ve seen over time Howell, EFI FI is has, you know, become the standard and a lot of it has to do with drivability and Cold Start performance and all of that kind of stuff. What’s changed since, you know, the, the late eighties to now and how you do things and, and as the industry’s moved and become more complicated?

Matt Howell (21m 48s):

Well, you g you guys are exactly right. I Mean. We, we would do trade shows. We would go to street grad shows, offroad shows, and we’d set up a booth, we’d, we’d have the stuff displayed and the guys came by. Nine out of 10 guys look at it and say, I don don’t know anything. I don’t want anything to do with electronics. I know how to work on carburetors. But then we’d say, well, this is better than, here’s all the things. This does better than a carburetor. This is actually easier to work on. You can use the diagnostics, you know, real world drivability that went on forever. I Mean. We thought, well when is this really gonna I Mean take off? When is it people were just that wasn taking off. We just didn’t, we just didn’t know it at the time.

Matt Howell (22m 29s):

But I Mean, everybody that came up to the booth, you know, I don’t want anything to do with wiring. I don’t want anything to do electronics. don don’t understand any of that. So Isn’t

Sean P. Holman (22m 36s):

That funny though,

Matt Howell (22m 36s):

That wasn a big push.

Sean P. Holman (22m 38s):

Those folks are the, well I was gonna say, those folks are the same people on the internet today who don’t like a post and tell you how much they hate you. And you’re like, we’ll either be a customer or don’t be a customer, but those guys today are doing it on the internet. Back then they would come by your booth and tell you how much they hate you and think your product sucks. and I to me, I, it’s like, why would you spend that much time in your life to go tear down somebody else’s livelihood or pro? You don’t have to use it. Nobody’s forcing you to. And it seems like there are people out there who just wanna tell you they’re disdain for no reason. Well, yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 8s):

It’s the same group of guys that say you’re buying a set of nice a EV wheels for your Jeep. And they’re like, why would you spend that kind of money when you can buy a set of methods for 30% less money or whatever. Right. And you’re like, who asked? You asked. Like, they’re like, it’s my money. Yeah. What’s wrong

Sean P. Holman (23m 22s):

With you? I I can imagine the early days of being at the trade shows trying to convince people who already had made up in their mind that they weren’t gonna do business with you, but still felt the need to tell you that.

Matt Howell (23m 32s):

Yeah, yeah. No, that wasn always interesting. And, and the other thing we, we loved at shows was guys that came by and said, Hey, I’ve, I’ve taken all this factory stuff. I’ve got myself in trouble. I’ve got to the point where I’ve got all these problems. I see that’s what you guys do with, show me how to fix my mess. I’ve got going at home in the garage. They, they weren’t necessarily interested getting anything yet, but ah, as long as you, as long as you’re here, let me get some, let me get some tech advice going.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 57s):

Ah, sure. So you would give

Sean P. Holman (23m 59s):

Me $1,500 and I’ll give you a box that has everything you need in it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 2s):

You are talking about. That’s right. Talking about, unfortunately, a large portion of SEMA that shouldn’t be attending sema. Now the, the people that actually work at shops, the mechanics, the shop owners that do right orders, those are the ones you want. But like all too often, their buddies, uncles, cousins brother comes in, they’re tire kickers and they’re like, yeah, I gotta Ford, blah blah blah, And I, I got this issue. And you’re like, oh dear, how did you get in here? Please? No. Like, I’m trying to sell my product. Not one item to you. I wanna sell a pallet, right? I want sell a pallet of our Ford, you know, four 60 conversion kits to a shop that’s going to install them. I, so I, we feel your pain for sure.

Matt Howell (24m 40s):

The other big turning point for us really was, like I say, really what started the company was just strictly doing the transplant harnesses for GM based engines. You know, our, our big thing was, unlike what the aftermarket does, most of the time, the first thing they say is get rid of the factory computer because we’re the aftermarket. We know we’re gonna make something better than GM did. Which is utterly impossible with the millions of dollars. Yeah, right. RD that they have in that. So one of our main cornerstones was all of our kits are gonna be based on the GM controller. We may have to manipulate the program, the chip, whatever, but it’s gonna be based on that. It’s not, we’re not gonna reinvent the Wheel.

Matt Howell (25m 19s):

So that was true of all the transplant harnesses still is today. But the other thing that happened was we had a guy, we were in Michigan, so we were close to the fact we were close to the automakers. We knew some people that were surplus buyers. And guy came by one time and said, GM I think they ended production on the actual two barrel throttle bodies about 95. Well, GM in the old days they not like now they’re much more efficient. They don’t have a lot of extra stuff. But in the old days they would literally have pallets of stuff left after a certain production run. We were buying new throttle bodies that would have been on these eighties, late eighties to early 90 trucks.

Matt Howell (26m 0s):

Literally new ones on pallets. Hundreds of them at a time from GM surplus purchasers, which really led us to do the kit. We then thought we can’t, we can not only do a harness, we can offer the guy a harness, computer throttle, body adapter plate, fuel pump, fuel filter, everything. This guy needs to put this on a, you know, a Jeep, an old Chevy pickup, you know, anything that’s carbureted really V eight, V six, whatever. So that was really the next turning point for the company when we started doing that. you know, then the guys, it wasn’t that they could come by and say, well, I’m not interested in that. But the whole Jeep community started to come by and say, look, I need that.

Matt Howell (26m 41s):

I need it now. I got this horrible Weber carburetor, I can’t off road with it. I can’t, can’t keep it running. I can’t go on any angles, I can’t go up in the mountains. The thing is horrible. What’s this gonna do for me? And it basically cured all those ills.

Sean P. Holman (26m 55s):

Th those were kind of your early adopters, right? Is because, you know, if you’re on the street and you want drivability, well for the most part you could get drivability out of a, out of a carburetor. But there’s also, yeah, there was really a need for the Jeep guy because of the, you know, the, the high angles, whether that wasn a side slope or going up or downhill that would either flood or starve carburetors. There was altitude changes. ’cause these guys might live at the beach, but go up to the mountains or the desert to go wheeling. And so you

Matt Howell (27m 21s):


Sean P. Holman (27m 22s):

You provided basically the key to the kingdom for them to really take those vehicles to the next level because outside of, you know, maybe a Quadra Jett or a few that were known for being okay off road, there was never really a truly great carburetor that that worked in all situations for the off-road guy.

Matt Howell (27m 42s):

No, And, we really, another thing we did was, which looking back was a little bit of a miscalculation, but we were kind of had that small block Chevy frame of mind. So we said, okay, we’re getting calls from these 360 guys. We’re gonna do the 360, we’re gonna do the 4 0 1. That was the initial kits not knowing that the, the 2 58 inline six guys were way I Mean. They outnumbered those guys 50 to one. So immediately we started getting calls, guys saying, why are you only doing the 4 0 1 and the 360? What about us? Yeah. You know, I, the Carter on here, I, my, my Jeep doesn’t runs like, runs like hell. You know, why aren’t you doing one for us?

Matt Howell (28m 22s):

So I said, well that’s a good point. We should have, should have probably done that first. That today to this day is our biggest seller and Of course. The next step when we got into those then that wasn, well you can’t sell these in California without a carb, you know Sure. CARB certification and Of course, everybody at the time said there’s no way that’s ever gonna, you know, you’re not gonna get through. But the whole key to that is going back to the, to the fact that we weren’t an aftermarket company going to carb with a, with a programmable computer that the customer could manipulate that, that was the key. We had a GM computer, we had a calibration that we, we had to be set.

Matt Howell (29m 4s):

Couldn’t be changed And. we actually went through all the certification actually at Rouse’s Laboratories here in Livo in Michigan. That was really the key to getting that passed legitimately. Yeah. I, Mean, I. think if, and whereas

Sean P. Holman (29m 20s):

I was gonna say I, think if you’re a a vintage Jeep guy and you want, you don’t wanna do an engine swap, you like your engine. You guys are the, the kind of the go-to ’cause whether it’s a, you know, a, a CJ with a 4.2, whether it’s a yj with a 4.2, whether it’s a 360 or a 4 0 1 or a 3 0 4 all the way over to, we have wagoneers, sjs, things like that. You’ve got those carb eos across all of those Jeeps of that era for, you know, the main engines, the, the six and the the few v eights that they had and And that I think simplifies it. ’cause I think there’s a lot of people that would be capable of adding EFI but aren’t necessarily capable or don’t want to go through the hassle of an engine swap and what to do with the old engine.

Sean P. Holman (30m 3s):

Where am I gonna store it? And Right. don don’t have the equipment in my garage. And you can, you know, deliver absolutely fantastic drivability both on road and off road by just, you know, EFI swapping and, and converting the engine that they have existing in their vehicle. Yeah. And I think that’s what’s great and,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 18s):

And a lot of those people get freaked out about, well what do I do if I’ve got out my, you know, Jeep smugged, right? And there are other states that, what is it, 14, 17, whatever the number of states that do smog these things. And if you’ve got a carb EO executive order, then you just hand ’em this document and say, look, it passed. And they send you right through the, you know, the, the, the smog check and Yep. You’re, it is no easy feat to get a carbo. It, it’s a, it’s very expensive because you have to just, you have to pay the fees for the California Air Resource Board and then you have to pay for the testing, which holy crap, that can be tens of thousands of dollars.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 59s):

And then it’s a paperwork nightmare.

Sean P. Holman (31m 1s):

Well, let me ask this. I would think that it would be easier to go from a carburetor to EFI to get an EO because you would think that it would be cleaner because you’re metering the fuel better. Is that the case or that’s what from

Matt Howell (31m 17s):

The pitfalls? That’s Yeah, that’s, no, that’s, that’s really, that’s really you, you’ve hit it right on the head there. And that’s, that was really don don’t know that CARB always looks at it that way when you, when you initially take it to ’em. But, but you’re exactly right. You’re, you’re talking about a 1972 to 93, all of those years, all of those V six, V eight, all those vehicles encompassed in there. The tailpipe numbers for them as a carbureted vehicle versus with our kit on it are, are night and day differences. So you’ve made a humongous improvement to, you know, what the, what the emission output is. And you would think, you know, that would be a great argument. But like you say, the, the tough part is, ’cause most of the time as an aftermarket company, you’re going in with a, you know, with a muffler or a air cleaner or a, you know, an individual piece, but a whole fuel injection system that that’s, that was a whole different animal.

Sean P. Holman (32m 11s):

Well, well it make, it makes me laugh a little bit because if you had a carburetor, you could change the jets run that thing super rich and smoke out the whole neighborhood, but they’re worried about somebody messing with a computer on something that is probably the worst you could do with that computer if that wasn user, you know, programmable couldn’t be any worse than the best day with a carbureated

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 33s):

One. Right. But but I think the difference is it comes down to humans. Yeah, sure. So there’s humans at, at the, at carb and what they’re thinking is, I I’m just gonna make this up, this is total bogus. Right. But I I think that they’re, they, there’s nothing they can do about a carbureated system ’cause it’s old and it’s out there and the guy drives it. They can’t retroactively say no to those. Right. But what they can say no to is you the guy with the new electronics and they don’t Right. They don’t want to give the user the ability to run rich and smoke and have knocks and all that stuff. Right. So that’s, I something you pointed out was interesting is you had to lock down the tune and you couldn’t give those keys to the end user. Like the tune is the tune. Right. And, that was what that that got approved by carbs.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 16s):

So that’s congratulations. Well

Matt Howell (33m 17s):

That’s, yeah, that’s exactly right. And that’s really the key to the whole thing. And and basically the thing that helps that immensely is 99% of our customer base with all of those Jeep engines in that family, 99% of those guys the motor is stock. And especially if they’re in California, I would say they haven’t gone and changed the cam. They haven’t put headers on, they haven’t changed the intake. They haven’t made a number of changes where a fixed prom would be a real problem for ’em. 90, like I say, 99% of those are stock engines. Part of the certification process that we had to prove was, okay, here’s the GM computer we’re gonna use. Here’s I Mean, they have the Cal on record.

Matt Howell (33m 58s):

They have a number for that chip. They have, they have on record what that program is. And. we can’t I Mean, even if a guy calls up, he’s bought our kit five years ago, And, he calls us up and says, Hey, I just put a set of Clifford headers on here. I put a Clifford intake, gimme a, gimme a hot tune. I can’t sell that guy a chip. I, Mean. You know, I, I’d love to but it’s not legal because it’s outside what actually went through the procedure.

Sean P. Holman (34m 23s):

So when talking about the, the conversions on a carbureted engine to EFI, obviously emissions are gonna be better, cold starts gonna be better. Hot weather performance is gonna be better off Camber side slopes, angles are gonna be better. What can a user typically see from a fuel economy standpoint on one of these older engines?

Matt Howell (34m 45s):

Well, that’s the other thing that people are usually floored by And. we don’t like to give a huge number because a lot of times you don’t have any idea what the state of the motor is. You don’t know if the timing change hanging down to the ground. You don’t know. You know, if you, you don’t really know if the guy puts it on says, Hey, I really didn’t see any, I I I didn’t see what you told me I was gonna get. well, I have no idea what state your, your, your Jeep was in. But as a general rule, we see anywhere from I would say two to five miles per gallon. And the guys are floored. Wow. I Mean. They can’t believe

Sean P. Holman (35m 18s):

It. Well, I Mean, if you’re in an old, you know, a MC 3 0 4 Jeep say two, maybe three miles per gallon, you’re probably doing what? Adding 15 to 20% more range on that vehicle. I, Mean, it’s almost like having an auxiliary gas tank.

Matt Howell (35m 36s):

And I think too, there are guys out there, they’ve messed around with ’em so long, they may have had a decent tune on their carburetor at this point. So maybe they don’t see the five, they see the two. But there’s other guys, you know, like I say, the carburetor could be so bad at that point. They put the fuel injection on and they I Mean, they can’t believe what what the change is.

Sean P. Holman (35m 55s):

I Mean, it’s almost like falling in love with your vehicle all over again because it’s a pleasure to drive. Yeah,

Matt Howell (35m 60s):

Exactly. So I, like I say, when we really got into the whole Jeep community that wasn we were, we were looking at it from entirely different. All of a sudden we had a, we had a group of people that they needed it. They didn’t want it. It wasn’t like the guy with a 68 truck who says, yeah, you know, I’d sure like to inject the three 50 that’s in it, but you know, I drive it 10 times a year, don’t think I’m gonna do it. I Mean, the Jeep guys, they needed it. They wanted it. And that, that, that helped tremendously. That,

Sean P. Holman (36m 29s):

That they probably became your gateway customer. Right? Because I think once you get them out in the world and they’re talking about it, people wanna have that same experience in their vehicle. Are you, are you seeing now obviously you have, you know, wiring harnesses for LT ones, LT fours, ecotech, the, you know, the GM M-P-I-T-P-I-C-P-I engines, vortex, the LSS 1 6 2 3 7 L s a, LSS nine, all sorts of products. But are you seeing on these EFI kits, like of somebody, maybe it’s the secondary market, it’s somebody bought something used or maybe grandpa passed away and the grandson got the old carbureted Jeep. Are they finding you?

Sean P. Holman (37m 10s):

Is this this new generation of, of automotive enthusiasts finding you and saying, Hey, you know, I love my grandpa’s old Jeep. I grew up in it, you know, he let me steer while I was riding in his lap or something like that. And I. I don’t wanna mess with it, but I want to drive it and have that more drivability. It seems like your product would be the perfect thing for somebody who wants to just b just barely bring that vehicle up to a, a modern standard, but don’t want to take away from, from the, the magic that they remember or the nostalgia of that vehicle maybe in their youth.

Matt Howell (37m 40s):

Yep. No I think you’re exactly right. And, and I, I I think, and my hope is that the, the younger generation, they seem to find us and they seem to find us through the internet more. So when we started out that wasn all you sit down to do your ad budget and it’s all print, you know how many magazines you’re gonna be in street right here, offroad here, blah, blah blah. Well now working with the ad agencies, and I’m sure you guys know this, if, if you can have an online presence and you know, get some content there and I think people go to the forums a lot I think we’re I, think we have favorable followings in the forums. ’cause we’ve been around so long and you know, we actually have human beings that do tech support.

Matt Howell (38m 20s):

We answer the phone. Ooh, wow.

Sean P. Holman (38m 22s):

Are they based in America too?

Matt Howell (38m 24s):

They’re they’re actually based in the good old u s a so wow

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 27s):

I think, wait a minute, hold I think why, why are they not in India like everybody else is. Yeah.

Matt Howell (38m 33s):

So I think that all helps. I I think, you know, it’s as long as, as long as we can can keep up with that, you know, I and I am encouraged. ’cause some of the younger generation that you talked to at a show or you see some of the stuff they’re doing, there’s some talent out there. So does

Sean P. Holman (38m 50s):

It warm your heart a little bit? I, Mean I. think 10 years ago the, the thing that everybody was saying is kids don’t wanna drive anymore. They’re not used to this. They

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 58s):

Just wanna get an electric pod and play video games on their iPhone.

Sean P. Holman (39m 1s):

Right? Let the pod drive them around. It’s got no steering Wheel and that’s the future. Does it warm your heart a little bit to see that the enthusiast base is still out there and there’s a next generation coming up behind the rest of us?

Matt Howell (39m 12s):

It does. And I’ll give you a quick story. We had a, we had a customer last week who I think he bought a Jeep kit from us And. he bought it. Well it’s actually a Jeep bodied, he’s in Alaska and they, they use this Jeep to haul mining equipment around in the, in I Mean rural Alaska. And this is a young guy and they’ve converted all these mining, these, these vehicles. They used to move the mines around a fuel injection just because the conditions are so horrible. The kid, the carburetors will not I Mean the lys over they’ll. So he, he sent me a great email about the mining equipment. He’d done his own Jeep and now him, they were doing a, doing a I think that wasn a, an old Chevy truck that had a crate motor in it, the fuel injection.

Matt Howell (39m 59s):

That’s the kind of thing I kind of get a kick out of, you know, the the the unique stuff that it’s going into. Have

Sean P. Holman (40m 5s):

You been surprised by other projects where a customer said, I want to fuel inject X and you’re like, really? Or or something that was just a really cool vehicle that sticks in your mind? Other than the, the, the mining stuff. The last one. Well there’s gotta be

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 19s):

Frankenstein vehicles.

Matt Howell (40m 21s):

Well I’ll give you a good one. And it’s not even a car. It’s don don’t know if you guys have heard of the duck boats they have in Boston. Yeah. Yes,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 28s):


Sean P. Holman (40m 28s):

Been on one. Yeah.

Matt Howell (40m 30s):

Okay. Well all of those duck boats, we got a call, I don’t know, this was 10, 15 years ago. We got a call from the guy that owns and operates most of those duck boats. And the guy said he’s got antiquated GM and Ford big block engines in ’em and they’re killing me on gas I, Mean, they’re just killing. It’s my livelihood. I own these, I tour ’em. You know when the Patriots win the Super Bowl, the team’s out on ’em. The Red Sox are out on ’em, the whole nine yards And. he says, if I could fuel inject all these, what would I save? So we ran some numbers on what we thought would happen. And, he changed all those boats to fuel injection. Our kits. The guy I, Mean I think he’s literally was saving hundreds of dollars a day after he did this. Geez.

Matt Howell (41m 10s):

And just that wasn great over the, over the moon. So that was one of those projects that was just, that kind of sticks in your mind was pretty cool.

Sean P. Holman (41m 17s):

You didn’t wake up that motor thinking, thinking that you were going to help the duck boat guy out do, do tours in the bay. Right?

Matt Howell (41m 24s):

Another one was that, that’s kind of unique that you outside the car world, but don don’t know if you’ve seen ’em. But a lot of the airports still use, they have these old Ford pickups that have the, the stairs that go up to the side of the plane. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (41m 37s):

Of course. Yeah.

Matt Howell (41m 38s):

They’re mostly older, say late seventies, early eighties. They’re Ford engines in ’em. They’re normally 300 inch in line sixes. Same kind of story there. These guys were in Chicago or they were in year, you know, we had a rough winter. These things don’t start, they don’t run consistently. You know, could we fuel inject all of those? Sure, no problem. Same thing happened there. We actually worked through Southwest Airlines on that project and did quite a few of those vehicles because that wasn a matter of do we throw ’em all out and make new stuff? No. Just make these run a little better. So that was kind of, that was another unique one that you kinda get a kick out of.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 15s):

I have an odd question for you. Do you have any inkling about how the OES perceive you? Do they think awesome, there’s how is giving our engines a second life or do they think, oh competition were selling fewer new crate engines with that have fuel injection?

Matt Howell (42m 33s):

I, no, but I I Mean, we do know a lot of the OE guys, my dad coming from that, that world, his comment was always GM never wanted to get in the parts business. You know, that was their deal. They really didn’t pay attention a lot to the aftermarket. In fact, he ran this idea by him when he retired to see if they’d have any issue with someone doing transplant harnesses based on GM engines. They said, no, knock yourself out. We don’t want anything to do with that. We don’t, we don’t want to deal with the EPA, you know, just, nope, that is not in our wheelhouse. Go, go have fun. So, but it’s interesting that you say that because now with the Crate Motors that GM’s doing, the harnesses that they do on their own, and in fact we’ve built some of those harnesses for ’em.

Matt Howell (43m 18s):

But I, I don’t want that business. We actually built all of the The Crate Motor. The Crate motor when the LSS one came out as a crate motor. We did all those harnesses for GM. Kidding. Oh wow. Okay. But that, and most people don’t know that they, and they wanted us to do a lot of the stuff that they have now, but it just, you know, working with GM is not, is not my idea of, of of fun. They, they, they have a a lot different philosophy on what the pricing should be for sure. And to their credit, they don’t take it overseas, but they I Mean, you can, you can tool up one year to work with GM and the next year it could be gone. So

Sean P. Holman (43m 55s):

Yeah. And then you spend all that investment with, and your ROI doesn’t come back to you.

Matt Howell (43m 58s):

So it’s, it’s a little, it’s a little risky. So we, we’ve tried not to hang our hat on that ever. You know, we’ve been in some programs that have worked great for us with, with General Motors. In fact, one of the programs we did back in the nineties, we did all of the Indie Light Series harnesses. Oh nice. Those were Buick Engines And that led into us doing all of the IRL cars when the big fight, don don’t know if you guys follow open Wheel racing, but when the fight was going on between the Open Wheel series and the IRL forms, we did all of those when GM was in it as an old engine and then a Chevrolet Engine. So that was a lot of fun, you know, doing, doing that, you know, Motorsports stuff at that level was a whole nother thing.

Matt Howell (44m 41s):

But I guess long story short, I I don I think GM’s aware that we’re still around. I, I I think that probably respect that we’re, we’re still around and, and I know a lot of the guys over there and and I think they, they’ve been pretty aggressive on, you know, getting into the market themselves with the crate engines and the connected crews. And, but like anything I I think people are frustrated ’cause they can’t talk to somebody. You know, they get a crate motor from GM, they get everything they need and they can’t really pick up the phone and talk to a technician. I I think, and I and I don’t know how they solved that, but you know, they’re, they’re, they’re more of a competitor I guess now to us than anything.

Matt Howell (45m 22s):


Sean P. Holman (45m 22s):

But they don’t compete with you on customer service. And I think that’s one of the places where, you know, a family run business like you guys that, that have a big customer base and, and have the infrastructure to take care of people. I think that’s where the, the differentiation is between maybe somewhat similar products is the aftercare I would imagine. It’s, it’s a lot better, you know, with you guys.

Matt Howell (45m 44s):

I would agree that’s, that’s a big deal. And especially with what we’ve been through the last few years. I know, you know, and I’m sure you guys see it, just dealing with vendors and dealing with, you know, just businesses in general. It’s just, it’s, it’s a different world. So, you know, if our customers can still call up and have someone answer the phone, I think that’s a pretty big deal and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 3s):

You’ve gotta do right by the customers in a way that you haven’t had to maybe ever think back just 20 years. Where if you had a, an issue with a product for your truck, what do you do? You call the company, you phone them, maybe you got their number and maybe they don’t pick up. So then what is your recourse? Or maybe they don’t give the answer or they don’t give you a refund or they

Sean P. Holman (46m 26s):

Just go straight to the internet. Whoa,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 27s):

Whoa, whoa. That’s what

Sean P. Holman (46m 28s):

I’m getting. But in MF U what

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 29s):

Would they do? You would write a letter, literally you would write an angry worded letter and you’d send it to them and Of course it goes in the circular file and you’re screwed. You just can’t do anything now you don’t even call them anymore. You just blast them on the internet. You don’t even give them benefit of the doubt that No. That the company’s gonna help you. You just eviscerate them on the biggest, you know, online forum you can find or Facebook group. Yep. And so, but yeah, if, if you are there and you’re engaging with them. And you have a staff to, usually what I see will happen is someone like, Hey, I have a problem with X product. Someone in the groups will say, did you call them? ’cause they’re very helpful. And the guy will like, oh no, I didn’t think to call them. And then people are like, you’re an idiot.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 9s):

Call them. ’cause they have a great customer service staff, which you do.

Matt Howell (47m 13s):

Well, I think you’ve hit it on the head. I Mean it, it it’s certainly it. If you’re, you’re right. If you, if you do ’em wrong, it’s straight to the, the biggest megaphone out there. But you know, like I say, we, we have in fact, the person who’s mentioned in some of literature, you probably got Troy Brown, our tech guy, he’s been with us for 31 I. think of the 35 years of our company existence. Wow. So, and if you call up your, for the tech issue, you’re good. Most likely get him. He spends most of his day on the phone. He does all of our programming. Or if you don’t get him, I’ve got guys that will get on the phone that build the harnesses, I Mean.

Matt Howell (47m 53s):

You’ll talk right to somebody that’s built the harness. You know, I I think that’s pretty unique.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 58s):

Now wait a minute. Hold on. This is coming as a big disappointment. I thought you were making everything in, in China. Dammit. Everything’s made in the US

Sean P. Holman (48m 7s):

Yeah. Lightning’s a big China guy. He’s really into Chinese made products and, and racing to the bottom if there’s anything. No, yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 14s):

I, it’s a funny way of complimenting you, but you’re making everything here, which is awesome.

Matt Howell (48m 20s):

We’re, we’re making everything here. And, and you mentioned earlier, and I don’t, and I’ll, I’ll weigh in on this. ’cause I don’t think what’s happening in the aftermarket is necessarily a good thing with the, with the edelbrock on the one, sorry. The, the two, the two companies that basically own everything now and I think that’s strictly being driven off venture capital. And

Sean P. Holman (48m 40s):

A hundred percent

Matt Howell (48m 42s):

The, the, the scuttlebutt that we’re hearing daily I Mean from people is, is not good. Is is not good. and I sell to these companies. And I’ve seen, you know, I I’ve seen people that I worked with for 20, 30 years that are no longer there. And people that are there now that they’ve been, the brands don’t just mashed into this huge group.

Sean P. Holman (49m 4s):

Yeah. The, the brands don’t carry the same weight. I, I we’ve, you know, I’ve been doing this in this industry for 25 years. I was in media for, you know, the last 20 plus. And a lot of my friends who were really the heart and soul of all these brands, they got bought up, they moved the company, they laid off the people that were the heart and soul and the people that you relied on. The same people that you knew for the last 25 years who were in a certain role that you had a relationship with were dependable and, and really carried that torch. Just, just tossed out. And I think there’s a, there’s a couple VCs that are out there that have, that have definitely done okay. By the brands that they’ve acquired. And there’s some that have absolutely decimated.

Sean P. Holman (49m 44s):

And the names are hollow now. And, and I’ll let the, the listener decide who that might be. But the reality is, is it has not been good for the, the industry consolidation has not helped anything. And it definitely hasn’t driven innovation. So I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 60s):

I have a question speaking of that. Like you were talking about Edel Brock and Holly buying up everyone and others, the end. Yeah. And others. And the investment firms will come in, consolidate everything, group it together, and in some cases move a lot of the companies to a certain area where they can just share workforces or they’re closer together for economies of scale, but then they package those so they can sell them off again. And maybe again ’cause it’s all because there’s no reason to, to hold onto them, right? You want to package ’em and have a big sale. But where do they end up? Like where does it, if, if you’re one of those brands that’s in that fold, like where are you in 30 years? Is it still around or have you been sold to a Chinese conglomerate?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 43s):

Like I don’t even know what, what’s the long

Sean P. Holman (50m 46s):

Tail of this? well, I Mean, the, the reality is, is the VCs are getting into it for a profit in a short term. So at some point the economy’s either gonna tank and they’re gonna cut their losses and spin these companies out, or it’s gonna do well and then they’re gonna sell it to somebody else who’s gonna take ’em on. But they’ll never be what they were in And we experienced in the nineties and the two thousands and, and the last 10 years. So just all of that, it seems to be going away. And it’s a little bit sad to see, which is why we love having conversations with companies like you, family businesses who have the staying power, who are, are fiercely independent. You know, one of ’em that comes to mind is our friends over at Skyjacker Suspension, you know, the McCury are on their, what, third generation of family working there.

Sean P. Holman (51m 32s):

And they’re the last big suspension company standing. Everybody else has been bought out and it’s just you. Yep. You look at that and, and there’s a lot of respect for the people who, who, who do it because yeah, it’s their living, but they do it because they love what they do and they can’t imagine their company being in the hands of somebody else, something they built that has their name on it. Well,

Matt Howell (51m 51s):

Yeah, yeah. You’ve you’ve hit it on the head. Believe. So that’s the way I look at it. And, and yeah, I’ve kind of been watching this whole thing from afar too. And yeah, it’s sad because it’s the way of the world right now, I guess. But it is, it is a little frightening. Like you say, what, what’s the landscape gonna be in 20 years? What’s it gonna be in 10 10? Sure. For that matter. well,

Sean P. Holman (52m 12s):

I was, I, you know, you had brought something up a a while back in our conversation about, you know, supply chain and, and getting the pieces. What’s it like to get the, you know, are you still using GM computers and I, you know, some of, is it some of that older tech or have you had to evolve with that? What’s that like? ’cause it seems to me like some of that technology is, is, you know, older technology now. Is it still relevant today for what you’re doing?

Matt Howell (52m 38s):

Yeah, you’re right because a lot of the, and that’s really been a, a, a quite a balancing act I would say I benefit from, from being at this for 35 years. ’cause like, you know, not to pat yourself on the back, but I, if somebody, if somebody came in and they had to find out where to get all the stuff that we have or we continue to need to get, if they had to figure that out, boy that would, that would be a hard go. Luckily on the computer end of things, even for eighties and nineties era computers, there are big remanufacturing outlets that still do those. ’cause they’re still sold into the O’Reilly’s and the napas and the of the world. So those are still out there. Believe it or not, the weird things that you run into is the, the chips, you know, the chips get old enough that you need to find somewhere to get those.

Matt Howell (53m 25s):

And the chip holders, you know, the plastic piece that holds the chip in the computer, believe it or not, weird stuff like that. But generally the rest of the sensors are still available. You know, the map sensors are cooling sensors. We use an aftermarket fuel pump. Those are still out there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 42s):

I don’t wanna break any bad news to you, but whoever’s in charge of your website underpriced everything for what you get, your prices are too low for everything. I know about Howell, EFI, you’re getting way more than you’re paying for. And

Sean P. Holman (54m 0s):

You’re talking about on the 50 state legal kits, for example. I’m saying between 1500 and 1600 bucks everyth, I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 5s):

Saying that Matt needs to police his web guy because the stuff’s priced too

Sean P. Holman (54m 10s):

Low. Yeah, I know. It’s amazing what you get for the price. I I honestly, when we Yeah, well were researching the show, I was like, wow, that’s, that is really reasonable. You,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 19s):

You are significantly changing the way your, your Jeep or your truck

Sean P. Holman (54m 25s):

Or your hot rod,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 26s):

Your hot rod drives, like it is the probably the biggest transformation that you can do to your vehicle. And it’s only gonna cost you 1600 bucks. What?

Matt Howell (54m 36s):

Yeah, well you’ve got a point there. And, and believe me, that’s looked at, that’s looked at a lot.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 42s):

I was, I was kidding with you. I I, Mean, I Mean. I’m just, he’s

Sean P. Holman (54m 45s):

Actually gonna add a, a code to the, the website. So when you buy something, it’s more 20% more. Yeah. It’s more

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 50s):

As he should.

Matt Howell (54m 51s):

Well, and but, but, but I’m, I’m serious though. It is looked at. ’cause one of the other fallouts from all this, this, this changing in the world as a whole is I Mean, as you guys know, everything’s up. Yeah. I, Mean, everything’s up from your, from your parts to every terminal, every seal, every connector, your paper that you use, I, Mean, just everything. So, you know, we, we have tried to tow the line, but there is some changes coming to certain things. But we’ve, we’ve tried to toe the line where we can.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 19s):

So the word to the why is go to Howell EFI dot com and buy your conversion kit now.

Matt Howell (55m 27s):

Exactly. Exactly.

Sean P. Holman (55m 28s):

Or, or go there to see all the products that our conversion products that you might need for something or products that you didn’t know you needed that they have. And really easy to navigate the site. You guys have videos and tech and news. You’ve got your support, obviously all the normal things. Installation manuals online and frequently asked questions. Look at that. A contact where when, when you click on the contact, it actually has a phone number. No. And an actual address

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 54s):

Doesn’t have a number. That’s just a bunch of x. That’s an eight one oh number. Damn. That’s a real phone number you

Sean P. Holman (56m 0s):

Can call it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 2s):

That is, you are not a, a tech company up in San Francisco. That

Sean P. Holman (56m 6s):

God, that has a AI answering the, the line. It’s the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 10s):

Craziest thing. Nope. It drives me. Nope dude, Matt, it drives me up a wall when you try to call and you there no number on the website. I’m like, just fill out the form. I’m like, you can’t scrimp on humans, you just,

Matt Howell (56m 24s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 25s):

There you no. Ah, well there it is. Howell has humans.

Sean P. Holman (56m 30s):

Is that their new future logo? We, yes, that’s it. That’s the 30th, 35th anniversary logo cha or slogan changes. Howell has humans. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 37s):

It’s gonna be a patch. We

Matt Howell (56m 38s):

Knowledgeable humans. Yeah, you

Sean P. Holman (56m 40s):

Actually, what it should be is Howell has humans then parentheses and also EFI.

Matt Howell (56m 44s):

And also EFI. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (56m 46s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 47s):

Oh, oh, you know, one, one thing I forgot, I’m gonna go back Just a little bit. What does it take to install one of these kits? Is it a two day affair? Can I do it in my garage? Is it three hours, 10 hours? Just generally?

Sean P. Holman (56m 56s):

Well, for you or an average customer,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 59s):

I’m actually pretty handy despite what Holman says, this is Lightning speaking. So could, can I do this in my garage with hand tools? Yeah.

Matt Howell (57m 7s):

Generally, generally we tell the average customer and I always say guy have average mechanical skills. That’s the key phrase. I guess it’s 10 to 12 hours. I Mean on a good weekend you can put this in. The biggest challenge is probably the guy who says, well, I can’t weld, I can’t put the O2 bung in the exhaust. Well, any muffler shop can do that for you, but there’s probably more time in putting the fuel pump and plumbing the fuel pump than actually putting the kit on. It’s, it’s pretty quick. And if you take it to a shop, I’ve heard they can do ’em in, you know, five to eight hours.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 41s):

Oh fantastic. I

Sean P. Holman (57m 42s):

Mean one one day to have that kind of transformation. There’s very few products on the market that will do that, that that’ll have that much of a difference in one day. Is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 51s):

This the biggest no-brainer in the history of no-brainers? I just stole a phrase from someone, but yeah, yeah, yeah. Alright Matt, well thank you very much. This is, this is phenomenal. I, I know a lot of our guys that have swaps and they’ve been, they’ve been toiling over this like, I need to get rid of the carb. I just can’t stand any longer.

Sean P. Holman (58m 12s):

Well, I have a 1942 Ford GPW with the Buick 2 25 odd fire in it. And they have a kit for that. They do. They do what? Yep. 2 25 and a 2 31 kit.

Matt Howell (58m 21s):

Well, lemme, let me, let me tell you something about that. Yeah, because I’ll, there’s a little, there’s a little nugget to that. Even we came out with something new for that kit that you just mentioned. Okay. Because we’ve been doing that kit for many, many years. It’s an odd fire engine. Yep. We originally said, no, I, you know, I don’t think the way our kit works, it work great. Onfi engines, And. we had a couple customers that that just said rubbish, you know. No, that’s not true. Gimme one. I’ll make it

Sean P. Holman (58m 46s):

To hell with you. I’ll make it work. Yeah.

Matt Howell (58m 49s):

I, Mean, we had guys that were just adamant, I want it and I want it now. So we said, okay, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll r and d it with you. Be happy to. So we did it and, and we’ve sold them for years. But we, we had a guy recently and they, they’ve run good, but they haven’t run as well as our even fired engines, let’s put it that way. So Troy, our programmer, he said, I had a guy the other day call me. He put a CAM sensor on his and run it off the cam sensor rather than just, we have what’s called a attack filter in our harness that takes,

Sean P. Holman (59m 24s):

Right? Yeah. Because the way the odd fire works is the signal’s different. And so there’s some complication on that versus when they went to the later even fire of the same engine.

Matt Howell (59m 34s):

Yep. So the signal was a little different. So we always knew, okay, we’re giving up a little compromising a little on these, but really they’ve run so much better than what the guys had. You know, we’re we, we haven’t really had time to fine tune it, but long story short, a guy called us up, said, Hey, I did one in the CAM sensor. All it involves is making a bracket run a Corvette CAM sensor on this thing runs like a top, we just finished, we actually prototyped the bracket with another guy who wanted it done with the, with the cam sensor that is about to be released literally in days where we’ll give the guys, well I don’t think we’ll even give them an option anymore, but it will be one of our only kits operating with a cam sensor for the odd fire engine.

Matt Howell (1h 0m 16s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 16s):

I, I may be saving proof. Yep. Circling back. ’cause I may be a customer on this. I, I’ve got,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 21s):

I address one to Mr. Sean Holman in Huntington Beach, California. He’ll happily take one.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 26s):

In all seriousness, my, so this is my, my old GPW that I got from my uncle and that wasn, the first four Wheel drive vehicle I ever drove when I was like 14 or 15 out at his ranch. I’ve got a picture of him, And I working on it when I was like 11 or 12 and I Wow. A few years ago that wasn his ranch Jeep and it is roached as ranch Jeeps are, and it’s at the fab shop right now getting some metal work and some things fixed on it, but it, it runs like crap with the carburetor. and I’ve often thought, man, I’d sure like to EFI this thing. But full circle, I, I worked at Four Wheeler and in MotorTrend, And I was over at MotorTrend group for, you know, 20 years. The sentimental value of this particular I’ve had, I had a 51 CJ three A that I loved.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 8s):

And I had to sell at one point. I always wanted to get a flat fender again. And one day my uncle said, Hey, you know, it’s harder for me. Get in it. If you want to come up to the ranch, come pick it up, you can have it. I went, hell yes, And. we pulled it outta the container and I was like, Ooh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 21s):

This is gonna be a little more work than

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 23s):

I had anticipated. Yeah. I Mean the, the thing’s probably worth 1500, $2,000, you know, in the condition wearing, you know, 400 pounds of Bondo and every, you know, all the ranch, you know, stick welding and all that. And I’ve probably put five or six grand into it and it’s not even close to being where it needs to be, but I love it. And it’s again, you know, ending up in a career in off-Road and, and, and Jeeps and all that. This one’s special. So I, I want to keep it. And so at some point I, I’d been looking at,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 51s):

But you, you need to do this because you are going to go on that long expedition with it. So

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 56s):

One of the things,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 57s):

God forbid, the carb gets clogged.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 59s):

And one of the things, things we had talked about is, there’s a trail here in California that is very popular that’s 180 miles long And I want. and I’ve got a lot of friends from the Magazine world like Vern Simons and Christian Hazel and Trent McGee and PayWay and all those guys, David f Fryberger. We all own flat fenders. And so, okay, I wanna do a flat fender run, but it’s going to have to be reliable and, and run. So I I may be a customer of yours on this because this is something that, well now I’m even more intrigued. It’s

Matt Howell (1h 2m 29s):

It, it’s interesting you say that ’cause your story is very common to what we hear all the time. In fact, I don’t think we were paying that whole, that whole community enough attention that wasn another one of those situations where the guys started calling and said, yeah, that’s fine. 2 50 18 know whatever. You guys got that covered, start doing ’em for us. and I had no idea that there was that number of those era of Jeeps still out there. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 52s):

There’s a ton of ’em. And they all have odd fire swaps ’cause it’s, it’s perfect. And if you ask some of the guys like a Christian, Hazel, Rick PayWay, you know, you know Hazel will tell you out of every swap there is And that includes A-A-T-B-I four three vortex or in some of the four cylinders, like the little Volkswagen Turbo Diesel or some of the other things that people swap in that he’s like my favorite of all time is still a 2 25 odd fire. It’s just perfect for, that’s not, you know, people put three fifties in those things. Why? Way too much power? No. What does he like about it? Yeah, lot of low end torque. Ah, real, real drivable. Once you get ’em running, they’re reliable. It just fits the engine compartment. The cooling you can use the, the factory flathead cooling on it and all that. And it’s, you’re not shoving all the stuff in this tiny engine compartment.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 34s):

Just everything fits. So packaging overall is the wind. It, it’s just it and it bolts up to the factory manual transmission and, and it just works. And so I call this the odd Ford because it’s looks like a Jeep but it’s actually a Ford GPW and it’s got an odd fire. So the license plate on its odd Ford and there’s some of that magic ’cause my uncle did bought it through this stuff in the seventies where it has a lot of the mods on it are seventies mods. Whether it’s like a Rancho over or the worn, really worn overdrive, the 2 25 swap, which I actually have the original receipt that he had it done at the shop with every part and piece that’s on there in a, in a file that I got. And there’s just a bunch of funky like seventies stuff and I wanna keep that vibe. So don don’t wanna take that engine out.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 14s):

It, it needs to have that engine in it, but it needed to be a little bit more reliable so I can drive it on a Sunday. And, and you know, I’ve got a a, a social club that I belong to that they do car shows and this thing is so ranch fresh and crusty. I just wanna drive it in. ’cause everybody’s, you’re gonna have a hundred thousand dollars resto and this pile of rusty flat fender Jeep and I guarantee you everybody’s gonna flock around the Jeep and want to, want to spend time with it. So. Oh yeah. Anyway,

Matt Howell (1h 4m 41s):

Well keep us in mind. It’s, it’s the new improved version. So it’s, it’s that’s awesome. It will be available.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 48s):

All right. Fantastic. Well we appreciate your time and, and I, you know, this is, this has been fun. I love, again, we love talking to family businesses that are dedicated to the enthusiasts and, and still top of their game. Things have changed and you guys are still have a great business and you know, great customer service. So anybody out there who has any of those vehicles, head over to Howell EFI dot com because there’s a tremendous amount of information product that you can use to do EFI swaps or engine swaps in your vintage vehicle.

Matt Howell (1h 5m 17s):

Well it’s been great talking to Sean and Jay, both of you guys. It’s been a blast. I appreciate you giving me the opportunity. Thank

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 24s):

You Matt, so much.

Matt Howell (1h 5m 25s):

Alright, thank you guys. Talk to you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 27s):

Soon. Have a good night. Thanks. Okay,

Matt Howell (1h 5m 28s):

Bye bye now

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 29s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 52s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 4s):

Kid. I don’t think so.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 5s):

There’s rumors that the next generation or mid-cycle refresh of that you ran 1500 is confirmed for Q1 launch of next year And, we may see it later this year, November at the LA Auto Show. Ooh. So be interesting seeing Of course. That’s the one that hoo the Hemi and moves right into the straight six.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 25s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 26s):

No it’s no Booy, it’s a twin turbo straight six that makes 550 horsepower.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 31s):

We want a big burly vh. Well

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 33s):

I Mean, we do want that also. But if I had to have my big burly V eight ripped from my clutches, this is a pretty damn nice setup to you. It’s to replace it. So are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 42s):

You gonna report on Mercedes-Benz who had egg on their face and said, Hey, by the way, no more VHS for any of you a MG customers. And everyone said

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 49s):

No more, no more of our green money to you sir.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 51s):

Right? And so they said, woo whoop, sorry about that. We’ll be releasing a new V eight in a GT 550 horsepower.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 58s):

Yeah. Now go figure Hey lighting. Did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 2s):

No God no. No. don don’t think so.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 5s):

The Jeep Gladiator Eco Diesel is going bye bye officially. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 9s):

Yeah, I heard that. Yes.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 10s):

And just 1000 units of the last edition, the far out limited edition will be made for 2023. If you remember, Jeep had the far out concept, which was a overlanding build they debuted several years ago at Easter Jeep Safari. And so this far out addition, just kind of harkens back to that a little bit.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 30s):

It’s pretty cool.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 31s):

Again, only a thousand units Of course 260 horsepower, 442 pound feet of torque. So nothing special there, but you get a diesel 3.0 Hood graphic, you get a exclusive tailgate badging, 17 inch black polished aluminum wheels, 33 inch mud drain tires, steel front bumper, steel rear bumper and Of course this’ll be a a Rubicon. So with all Rubicons you get the heavy duty Dana 40 fours two speed transfer case four to one gear ratio. Other features include a Mopar spray and Bedliner from the factory. Black leather seats with red accents, black leather wrap dash panels with red stitching, all weather floor mats, body colored fender flares, and black fender decals. All this for a starting price of

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 12s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 13s):

71 7 90.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 15s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 16s):

Well you want it one last time you’re gonna, you’re gonna pay

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 19s):

For it. I wonder. So I it

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 21s):

Really is the perfect powertrain for that, for that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 23s):

Truck I think you and I are both on the same Facebook group, the jail and JT Eco Diesel owners Facebook group. And there’s some mixed emotions about this I think Yeah, there are, there are guys like you gotta get the last one and other guy’s like, no, I don’t want the last of anything. Right. Just

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 37s):

The last of anything’s the best for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 38s):

Sure. Except the Mohicans.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 40s):

Well, okay, the last of any cars is, is the best. Anyway. The, the eco diesel has been around in the gladiator since 21 and you know, get fuel economies about 24 miles per gallon. I think people are really excited about the fuel economy. Love it. Although it’s been a little bit of a problematic for those who push their vehicles to the limit because there is quite a bunch of conversations of lifted ones or heavier ones going D into D rate, especially at high altitude and high temperatures. And so it’s like the, the mixed emotions. If you don’t go into the situation where D rates, it’s an amazing vehicle. If you go on a cross country trip and you can only go 50 miles an hour up I 70 kinda sucks.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 20s):

Sucks. Yeah. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 21s):

So anyway, I’ll still miss it. I think that wasn a great powertrain and loved it in the Grand Cherokee and the Rams. I’ve had it in in the past and I think with the, the options that are available for the gladiator, that was creme de la creme. Especially since you cannot get a V eight with a gladiator. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 37s):

That was an next, so you know what you need to do, buy that gladiator with the diesel and you order yourself up a bank stare. Shameless plug. I would

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 44s):

Order myself up some additional cooling capacity too. Unfortunately the engine compartment is so tight, creates so much heat. And there’s a whole on those, on the forums and on the Facebook groups, there’s the whole thread of like engineering minded people figuring out what they can do to shove more airflow in there and cool that sucker off. And there’s even a bulletproof diesel or friends out there in Arizona. Yeah they have a cooler setup for the plastic bumper version. Unfortunately they’re cooler oil cooler, which is awesome. Intrudes in the same space as the winch plate if you have the steel bumper. Oh. So that’s not, it’s gonna work for plastic bumper people, which, you know, it’s nice to have options but it would be nice to figure out a little extra cooler capacity. Yeah. Under those bad boys. So, hey Lightning, did you hear?

12 (1h 10m 26s):

No Y

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 29s):

Ya. No I don’t think so.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 30s):

If you are not fans of the Ford Bronco Raptor and its massive rubber made plastic trashcan fenders for 2024 painted fender flares are an option finally.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 42s):

Seriously? And our microphones were actually in the engineering office when they released the first go round. Okay.

13 (1h 10m 49s):

Explain to me exactly what I did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 51s):

Wrong. Yeah, you should have released painted fender flares the first go round.

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 55s):

They’re still hideously giant, but I’d rather have ’em painted than looking like the, the same vessels that take my trash out on a weekly basis. You also get, you also have the ability to spec out the code orange. Package code orange comes with the orange tow hooks. Beadlock rings for the wheels and big checker graphics that actually reaches up into the rear window, which is odd, spicy. And you can get it in any color except hot pepper red because apparently that is too much of an OCD mind deaf for people. So Hey lighting, did you hear?

14 (1h 11m 31s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 33s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 34s):

Didn’t, it’s kinda interesting. Pepsi is the very first company in America to run a all electric semi fleet and they’ve got 21 Tesla semi trucks outta Sacramento. And they said so far the electric trucks run about 12 hours a day delivering Pepsi and Pepsi products in basically a hundred mile radius. And apparently they have a contract with Tesla so they can’t disclose everything. I think this is a test fleet. And they said, oh, we’ll give it to you, but you can’t be really talking about it and you can’t make this look bad. But they did, they did put out a little, a few little more nuggets about Tesla semi ownership, which is kind of interesting in addition to the short range, a hundred mile radius travel, which the Pepsi transformation and strategy director says

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 21s):

Transformation and strategy director. Yeah. Apparently just making up names. He

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 25s):

Said that it’s a perfect use of EVs in that space. It’s, it’s, I agree. They said it’s advantageous. Obviously there’s not a lot of steady state speed. There’s a lot of stop and go where EV makes a whole lot of sense. But they also said that three of the 21 semis are used out of the Sacramento facility and they do long haul routes with them, which range from 250 to 450 miles. So, you know, Tesla’s got some mega chargers that enable that, but they said the semi can go from fi five to 10% to 95% state of charge in about 20 to 30 minutes with the Tesla mega chargers. That’s not bad. No. So it’s interesting as, as more information and more miles get put on the fleet, it’ll be interesting to see what they think and if it’s a viable platform moving forward.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 6s):

Yeah. My question is, how’s Coca-Cola gonna clap back? Like what are they gonna do? Yeah, we have solar, big rigs.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 11s):

Spaceships. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 13s):

Because Coke ain’t gonna sit for this

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 14s):

Transporters, right. They’re just gonna be like, I want Coke just materializes in your hand. But it’s gonna require like a really expensive like USB cable with a disc on it that plugs it on your desk and then, and it’s be really expensive. Be like a hundred dollars soda that gets beamed to you. You’ve thought about this anywhere in the world. Yeah. Yeah. I Mean. It’s, it’s it, I’m sitting there and I’m thirsty some days. And, I’m wondering how can I get soda with minimal effort right now? Hey lighting, did you hear? No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 39s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 40s):

Rivian recently took the R one s The SUV version of the R one T over the Rubicon trail being the first production ev to accomplish this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 48s):

That’s pretty cool. I was wondering when that was going to happen. It

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 51s):

Totally stock Quad Motor R one s. So it is pretty cool because if, you know, the Rubicon is no joke, not as bad as it used to be, but it’s still a proving ground. There’s, there’s a reason that it, it is on the hood of Jeeps And. he

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 5s):

A, if I wanted to go with someone, what would I do? Like how would I go about it? I don’t wanna drive, I want to experience the trip, but I want to co-pilot.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 12s):

I would call our friend Pierce MLA over at Jeep Jamboree U s a and see if you can hook up with him or some of his guys. Okay. And they’ll, they, they, they know that trail like the, the back of their hand, Rivian came out and said it’s the first production electric vehicle that’s done it one of the toughest off-road trails in the world. and I feel kinship to this. ’cause you’ll remember I was the first person to drive a fully electric vehicle down Black Bear Pass in Telluride, Colorado. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 37s):

Right. Which was a hair raising experience from what I recall. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 40s):

That wasn awesome. It wasn’t crazy. No. A hair raising experience. Yeah, well Black Bear Pass is a hair, hair raising experience anyway. Right. But that wasn, that wasn fighting the truck that wasn a little bit of nuance to it, but it, it performed admirably didn’t in,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 53s):

Wasn’t your Chase truck at TRX? Yes. And it barely fit on the

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 56s):

Trail. There’s like an eighth, an eighth of an inch between the rock wall and then falling off the other side. Yes. But but there’s no drama that fit. Okay. It fit but a little, that’s what she said, mayonnaise on it. And well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 6s):

Hold on, hold on hold.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 7s):

Anyway, they said it took about eight hours to drive the R one s over the 12 mile stretch, which is pretty good. Obviously Boulders and rockiness. It’s got how much? 34 inch tires from the factory.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 19s):

Pause, pause, pause. How much articulation I think I don I needed a

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 21s):

Jeep. don don’t wanna pause because you will take us in a direction we don’t have time for.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 25s):

Go ahead.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 26s):

It has articulation, you know, it has four core independent suspension.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 30s):

Right. I can I know that? Okay. But I thought you had to be like a crazy Jeep with a straight axle to do it. Well,

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 36s):

I, Mean, there’s plenty of Toyota guys out there. A lot of Toyota buggies and crawlers and all sorts of stuff. Alright. It’s all about driving dude. Got it. Would you take your TRX out there?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 48s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 49s):

I? Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 50s):

I wouldn’t,

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 51s):

I wouldn’t either. I was just curious if you thought you were gonna be ballsy enough to, to say that you would. I wouldn’t. So anyway, so the R one s used about 75% of their battery power to complete the challenge. So Rivian says that wasn the equivalent of three gallons of gasoline though, which I don’t

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 8s):

Bss. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 9s):

But yeah, anyway, that’s, there’s a, there’s a little spin going on out there, but that wasn great to see the vehicle do it and it shows that, you know, these electric vehicles are capable and just like the Tesla took off road last week with, you know, motors that can control the wheels, you can have some really amazing traction control opportunities, especially in the Rivian. ’cause it’s a four motor ev. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 30s):

Every, yeah, you get on top of a rock and do a pirouette.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 33s):

Every Wheel has its own basically its own version. ’cause you can virtually lock the wheels together. You can have one Wheel do something and all the rest do nothing. You can have one side go forward, one side goes backwards to speed, I Mean, there’s just so much stuff you can do. I’m excited from that standpoint to see the technology and off-roading. ’cause it’s, it’s pretty cool. So Hey lighting, did you hear? No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 53s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 54s):

According to the drive, the 2023 Ford Super Duty with the high output 6.7 liter diesel,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 1s):

Which is one of my favorite on the road today.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 3s):

F three 50.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 4s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 5s):

Crew Cab

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 6s):

Short box. Tell me more. Four by four. Yes.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 8s):

Well according to Car and Driver and via an article on the drive, the 2023 Ford Super Duty F three 50 Crew cab, short box, high output, 6.7 liter diesel. Yep. Hits 60 miles per hour and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 23s):

Oh can I guess. And four 5.1 seconds.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 28s):

5.5 seconds. Making it the quickest factory diesel pickup ever according to Car

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 33s):

And Driver. Did I tell you, did I tell you? You said that wasn fast. Damn. Damn Lightning is valid. Day 10 Booy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 41s):

Yeah, but you were like claiming it’s as fast as your TRX.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 43s):

I’m the six, the six 80 felt like it. It’s not again I said, felt I said that a lot.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 49s):

I Well this is instrumented testing so it’s right in the neighborhood.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 52s):

Good job for

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 52s):

Them. It’s throwing rocks at their neighbor. Robbie Joiner. Joiner. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 57s):

No one got that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 58s):

No, that’s not true. People got that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 0s):

Oh, there’s a couple old killer

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 1s):

There, there are people who after got it. Anyway, considering that vehicle is over

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 6s):

Eight, do you know we talked to Robbie Joyner one time on the show. I’ve

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 8s):

Heard that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 9s):

Actually. Oh, you heard that interview.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 10s):

I did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 11s):

The, the morning show that I used to work for Kevin N. Bean. Kevin grew up in Arizona when he was a kid, he used to actually throw rocks over his wall at the other kid and his name was Robbie Joyner. So every time someone did something spectacular, like first woman in space, they would say, Kevin did you go to space? So no, I was throwing rocks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 31s):

Neighbor Robbie.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 32s):

Neighbor Robbie Joiner.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 32s):

Yeah. Anyway. Alright, so the, the previous vehicle that had that crown was the 2020 F two 50, which itself did it in 6.1 seconds. But 5.5 seconds for something that has a curb wave of over 8,000 pounds is pretty, pretty nervous. 1200

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 45s):

Pound feet of torque off the showroom floor.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 48s):

So check this out. What do you think the quarter mile time was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 53s):

I think it did a

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 55s):

By the way, a full 150 pound feet more than the normal six seven. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 60s):

I think it did a like a 13 Pause eight.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 3s):

That’s it’s earthquake alert Ventura. Sometimes when they do that you feel that you feel it. So it’s 5.6. We probably won’t feel it here. But anyway, that’s every once in a while they’ll do that and you’re like, wait for it. I remember one time I was watching on Caltech and they had the early warning system and it showed the wave and it showed where they were. You felt it. And on TV it started going and I felt it. And I was watching it live on tv. That’s creepy. Anyway,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 29s):

That’s it right there. Look. Look at my mic.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 31s):

Oh yeah. Look. Yep. Earthquake on the air.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 35s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 36s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 36s):

Guys, guys, rapid An earthquake. We just had an earthquake right now in the studio. Our mics just started moving. Dude, you

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 41s):

Feel the whole building?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 42s):

Yes. It’s still going. Still going.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 46s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 46s):

Still going. Oh my gosh. That’s a

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 48s):

Big one. That’s a big one. Holy

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 49s):

Mackerel. This is what, 75 miles north of where we are right now?

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 52s):

Yeah, that’s big up there guys.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 54s):

We’re my watch Earth earthquake. This is why you guys, this

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 56s):

Is live on the news. Yeah dude, my watch said there’s an earthquake and I. I paused the show, but we’re gonna keep this in ’cause that’s cool. It’s still going. It’s still going. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 5s):

Look at my mic, my mic is still moving. Stop,

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 7s):

Stop moving. Stop moving.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 8s):

I I’m not moving.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 10s):

You can feel it in the shed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 12s):

Oh, this is weird.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 13s):

That was cool. I. Mean. I don’t know. Hopefully it wasn’t a bad one. But now we’re, right now we’re having a hurricane in southern California with an earthquake mixed in. Oh, that is bad

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 21s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 22s):

Ugh. On my Apple watch it says earthquake drop cover and hold on. Shaking expected magnitude 5.6 in Ventura. And I’m thinking, well, it’s only 5.6. It’s not hu it’s it’s, if you’re there, it’s the deal. Yeah. It’s, if it’s there, you’re holding onto the door jam. Like that’s, that’s scary for a lot of kids and stuff. If you’ve never been through an earthquake, people who experience that are, are leaving California right now. Right. Like they’re, I’m out the ground. The ground moves here, I’m out. And by

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 46s):

The way, if you might know someone who actually left California, because they don’t like it, it’s so disconcerting.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 51s):

It’s weird. It messes with if your, your mind, your ear, if you’ve ever been

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 54s):

In a fun house, it’s the same thing. Yeah. Where the where the floor moves under you. Yeah. And the walls like are are, are

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 59s):

Articulated. Lot of sink. And anyway, so my, I watched over and I didn’t think we would feel it. And. we did And. we felt it. All

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 4s):

Right. Trunk Show Podcast. First ever live

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 6s):

Earthquake. A live earthquake. Earthquake. Yeah. That was weird on my, on my Apple watch. That’s neat. I don’t even know what we were talking. Oh, I was gonna talk about full hundred 50 pound feet more than a normal six seven.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 14s):

And you asked me the quarter mile time and I asked you the quarter mile time and I. think I was gonna say 13 eight.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 17s):

The new pickup is half a second quicker than the quarter mile. 14.1. It’s 1.2 seconds faster than 90. Hitting that in 11.9. So that’s dude,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 28s):

Dude, it’s stout.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 29s):

It’s pretty crazy.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 31s):

We’ve said this 500 times over the course of the podcast. This is a great time to be a truck owner like you just, if you have money to buy a new truck. Yeah. Like what do you get I, Mean. Do you get the ram do you get the new GM with the interior? Do you get the Ford like they’re all bad? Well, we’re galing it out. My uncle. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 49s):

My party yesterday shows up brand new white Ram 2,500 Cummins four by four. Yeah. He’s not a Ram guy. Like he’s always been a Ford guy. He is been a Chevy guy. I I’ve never seen him don don’t think I’ve ever seen him with Chrysler product.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 3s):

Interesting. That’s like me. And this is my first one

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 5s):

Here. He is And he is like, I love this truck. and I’m like, that thing’s a, that’s a nice truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 9s):

It’s a nice truck except for the turbo leg, which is but holy crap. Is it bad in that truck? But

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 13s):

It’s only bad because you have something to compare it to. If you didn’t have the ram and the durmax to compare it to you would be fine with it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 20s):

You’re probably right. And. we

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 22s):

Adjust some of that out with Pedal Monster anyway. Yes you can. He listens to the show And. he said, I will be hitting you up for some bakes product. and I said, I know a guy. So we’re gonna, we’re gonna make sure my uncle gets taken care of on that. All right. Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 31s):

Friends and family discount on the air.

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 33s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 33s):

On the air. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 34s):

Sure. No, I’m saying you’re, I’m you’re saying yes. Yes. He’s listening. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 38s):

Am saying that we’re

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 39s):

Taking care of him. Family

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 40s):

Discount. What’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 40s):

His name? Warren. Saint Iman Warren.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 42s):

I will hook your brother up. There you

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 43s):

Go. Alright. Will, will you, will you hook uncle up?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 46s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 46s):

Perfect. All right. Same thing. We’re good. I just wanna make sure I I don’t want, I don’t want you to like, like wriggle out of the contract because the non whatcha

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 53s):

Talking about, I, we do this all the time. I want everyone to experience bank’s products.

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 57s):

Yeah, they’re, they’re great. Hey lighting. Did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 1s):

No, but nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 3s):

If you guys have been reading the news Black Bear Pass, which we’re just talking about was closed and Of course, some people in their forerunner thought, oh, we’re gonna go do it anyway. Got stuck. No. Had to go get recovered on it. And the San Miguel Sheriff’s Office issued a series of tweet, basically, I guess a series of Xs.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 24s):

Oh yeah. xss. I guess because you don’t tweet anymore. You can’t tweet anymore. It’s called Xes.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 27s):

Reiterating black bears officially closed. Stop going up there. And then the sheriff says, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 34s):

What are they? They put a locked, you know, padlock over the gate and people just drive around it. I don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 37s):

Think there’s a lock on the gate. I think they just say don’t go up there. It’s closed. Yeah. So anyway, I wanna read this, this week. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 43s):

A pretty feeble attempt by the way to try to keep people out. well,

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 45s):

I don’t know. I don’t live up there. Okay. I don’t remember going through a gate I think it’s just, it’s in a mountain range and it’s a road and they’re like, don’t do it, it’s closed. And then you should know because you’re going up there like check before you go and don’t be dumb and get stuck up there and cause a bunch of problems for people, which they did anyway. So it says it’s a believe people drove up Black Bear Pass and dug out deep snow to be able to drive the pass they post on social media. The pass was unofficially open, well officially black bear passes. Closed mitigation needs to be done, including clearing rocks that can cause rock slides. And the, the tweet continues. It is your responsibility to know before venturing out into the back country, whether hiking trail or driving on a pass. If the area’s open and can be traveled safely, black bear passes dangerous and you need experience in the right vehicle. Navigate safely. And then Of course it finishes with this, which is my favorite.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 28s):

Some people have it together and know what they’re doing, but some who venture up there are complete ass clowns. No way. We may not be able to reach,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 36s):

But this is

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 37s):

From the Sheriff’s office.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 38s):

Hold on. Turn your laptop this way. Dude. Some people, they wrote ass clowns.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 43s):

Some people have it together and know what they’re doing. But some who venture up there are complete ass clowns. We may not be able to reach you if you have an emergency up there. So be prepared to abandon your vehicle. Be stranded or be seriously injured and inconvenience. Dude, there,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 54s):

That’s my favorite love public organization ever. Ask clowns.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 58s):

I I wasn’t going to read this until I read that. The sheriff said don’t be an ass clown. I’m like, I’m in

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 3s):

10 points of that Sheriff. We,

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 4s):

We need to let people know. So anyway, if you’re going up there to San Miguel County D don’t be an ass clown, just check before you go. Okay?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 10s):

Yep. Don’t be an ass clown.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 13s):

Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 15s):

No. No.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 17s):

How happy are you that you bought your

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 18s):

TRX I Mean Pretty, pretty happy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 21s):

’cause the 2024 Ram T RX starting price went up $10,390.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 26s):

I saw that. Dude. That is stings and people are super pumped. They’re like, and it’s still a deal. I know, it’s, it’s crazy. Have you seen the

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 34s):

Raptor? Our prices?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 35s):

No I haven’t dude, what are they going for?

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 37s):

Like 1 15, 1 20, something like that. That’s stupid. And you can max out everything on a, on A TRX and I. Wanna say it’s like one 16 or something like that? 1 16 5.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 44s):

Should we go into your front yard to make sure the tree didn’t fall A T Rx after that earthquake

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 50s):

You have insurance. Okay. Anyway. So 97. Yeah, but it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 53s):

Wouldn’t cover the price of the new one.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 54s):

It’s true. 97, 45, 97

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 56s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 57s):

4 85.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 58s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 0s):

10,390 increase. That’s bonkers. Not the last year of the tx. Mind you just of the V eight,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 6s):

You can, I wonder if there will be the same backlash that Ford had when they went to the twin turbo. Three five.

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 12s):

No I. think Ford probably paved the way for people to accept that. So if you want say V eight powered supercharged tx, you want a V eight powered, normally aspirated Jeep 3 92. Get ’em. Now you watch yourself a EcoDiesel gladiator. These are the world as we know it is coming to an end in people. Now’s the time you miss out after this year. You know, we don’t wanna be the ones who say we told you so, but Well, you know, well I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 40s):

Mean you can buy one used, but it could be abused. Not

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 42s):

The same. No Hey lighting did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 45s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 47s):

Apparently 22 and 23 Toyota tenders are recalled for a fuel line problem. And apparently it will cause a fire. There’s a plastic fuel tube which could move and rub against a brake line and develop a fuel leak. And Of course the fuel leak in the presence of ignition source could increase a risk of fire. So goes the, the release approximately 168,000 trucks are involved. Nope, that’s not what we want. No, no, no, no. Don’t, don’t blow any trucks up. Since Toya’s working on a replacement part for now and the, the fix will require two trips to the dealer. One for technicians to fit a stop gap solution so that you can keep driving your truck and then once the new part comes out, you’ll have to go back for that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 29s):

Dealers have gotta hate that. Multiple visits. Yeah. No money coming

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 32s):

In all. Well if you have questions you can contact Toyota’s customer service line at 803 3 1 4 3 3 1. Hey lighting. Did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 39s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 41s):

Nikola recalls every electric truck it’s built today.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 48s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 49s):

Why? So apparently they found out if, if you remember there was the truck that burned down at the headquarters. Yep. And then they’re like, eh, that was sabotage. And then that wasn like, oh, maybe that’s not, when it re-lit a few days later it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 60s):

Re-lit. Yeah, I didn’t know about that. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 2s):

Not, not, not a, not a great thing to do. that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 5s):

Wasn like one of those joke candles, you know.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 6s):

No that’s not, that’s not keeps lighting itself. That’s not great when your truck does that. So anyway, it affects 209 battery vehicles that’s produced so far since launching in March.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 15s):

It’s only 209 trucks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 17s):

Yep. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 17s):

I Mean, that’s not the end of the world.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 19s):

No. And it says it’s a coolant leak inside a single battery pack that caused the fire. So no, no, no we’re not. That’s bad. Lightning. Hey lighting. Did you hear how

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 29s):

About new Lightning

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 31s):

Goes to hell for all of his,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 33s):

That’s not going to surprise anyone.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 36s):

Toyota files for the land hopper trademark in Japan. You

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 40s):

Can hear it sucking. That’s just dumb.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 42s):

Yeah, I don’t know if that’s for the new little thing that’s coming out or if it might be a trim or whatever. But land hopper sounds like a frog.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 51s):

It sounds like something you’d see at Disneyland.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 54s):

Like an adventure land or something. Yeah. Or fantasy land. Neither. Okay. Just regular Disney.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 58s):

The whole part. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 59s):

Okay. Hey lighting, did you hear

4 (1h 29m 2s):

9, 9, 9, 9 9?

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 3s):

No, I have not heard. Apparently the next Nissan frontier’s been delayed by two years. Could go electric says a report. What? 2030 is when it’s expected. So it’s fine. We still have the little mid-size truck that we love so much. Love it for a while. Again, I. think I said it in the last show. There could possibly be some Nissan news here in the know How long you gonna tease that until it comes out? A lot of our listeners are getting tired of your embargo. No, they totally are. No, they’re getting, they’re getting tired of you pushing buttons over there. Are they Hey lighting? Did you hear?

4 (1h 29m 37s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 39s):

No I haven’t. The Fisker Alaska electric truck, which was debuted. Wait, Fisker still around afterwards? Yeah. What 12th ownership, something like that. And they have their, is Heirich still alive by the way? They’re Oh yes. Their electric truck. That kinda looks like a mix between a Santa Cruz and Don don’t know. Like, hey, let’s jump into the truck market. It’s hot anyway. They’re saying it’ll be 340 miles for $45,400. Okay. That’s not bad. Which doesn’t sound horrible. Right? But I will add the same thing I, I preface every time you don’t actually get 340 miles, whatever a manufacturer says, you’re getting that you’re living between like 10 or 15% and 80%. That’s the reality of it with your, the charging, fast charging, all that stuff.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 20s):

So you’re not really getting that. That’s like when all the lights go on your dash and it goes into like, you know, limp mode. That’s well I, Mean, it’s no different than draining your gas tank, right? Just going until No, it is different than that. No, it is different than that. And, and in your gas tank you go, you can go down to zero and you’re fine. You just pour gasoline back in your tank. You keep going. Right? You don’t wanna roach your battery. So anybody who is trying not to, well, well obviously you don’t wanna blow air through your diesel pump pump or something. I was just gonna say, yeah, you’re not supposed to get, yeah, okay. But my, my point is I can go from 5% to a hundred percent every single time from the life of the vehicle on gas. Right. Isha, good point. So my range is always gonna be pretty consistent with being able to do that on electric vehicle.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 60s):

Yeah. If you charge every night and whatever, yeah. You’re probably, you know, you have the potential of making maybe 80% of that range on a regular basis. I really, but even then, what’s 80% of three 40, 80% of 340 miles is 272 miles. that wasn great. I’m not even as good as your 3 92. It might be close, which is, which is barely acceptable. But my, my point is that the average, you know, vehicle is gonna live, the average electric vehicle’s gonna live between 15 and 80, 85% most of its life. And so you’re not, it’s not like every tank you’re gonna go see 340 miles, right? Theoretically you could get that. But at what cost your longevity or batteries and all that stuff.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 40s):


Miles the Producer (1h 31m 41s):

Hey guys, miles, your producer here. That’s too much news for one show. Let’s read some emails so you don’t bore people

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 48s):

I think the emails are way more boring than the news. Well, sorry,

4 (1h 31m 51s):

You email. Yeah, I email do it. We email. That’s right. Everybody email type it up. You email proofread. I email send it. We email. Click it. Everybody email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 6s):

Alright, who’s going first? You

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 8s):

By the way, that was a joke. That was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 9s):

A joke. I know that wasn a joke. No, dude. Truck. Show Podcast at gmail.com. Truck Show Podcast at gmail.com. Or if you’re like Dane and you wanna write me a long, long, long awesome email Lightning at truck Show Podcast dot com or Holman at truck Show Podcast dot com. Now Dane, I’m speaking directly to you now that wasn 1 0 1, it’s like a cb. I’m talking right to you.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 29s):

Next episode.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 30s):

Next episode we’re gonna answer your question. Great email. It’s just, I’m sick and don don’t have time to get to it on this one, but I, and

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 35s):

Even when that wasn, well it would be a crapshoot whether he’d get you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 38s):

The right, right answer. But it’s a great email. It’s very complimentary. You have some great questions.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 41s):

Lighting, read the emails.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 42s):

This one is called Navarro. Spotting from From T James. Gday from K Haba in New South Wales, Australia. Nah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 50s):

That’s not, I can’t do it. No, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 52s):

I’m awful. G my from K Haba in New South Wales. You try it. Let’s see here. I can’t do it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 57s):

Good day. From Kfs Haba in New South Wales, Australia. Here’s a photo of a new Nissan Navarro in my work car park as we don’t have frontiers here. Nissan. This was taken from my 2008 Nissan GE Patrol series five three liter common rail diesel that I’ve attached a photo of as well. Love you. Work, keep on mounting those parameters and five stars from down under. We’ll love some stickers. If you can afford the postage

16 (1h 33m 24s):

Mounter monitor key engine,

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 27s):

We have to send them stickers. Congratulations. You have earned five stars stickers. We have send stickers just because we butchered his homeland. His accent,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 34s):

Sorry. It’s like I do not sell, sell apples.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 36s):

You guys, listen, I’ve said this before, I love Australians. I know what you wave anywhere. I can be reanimated into, if somebody like guys swept off this wor, you know this, this earth by an orb and they’re like, you can’t go back there and we’re gonna reanimate you and some other I’d be Australia. Send me to Australia. That’s where my kinfolk are.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 55s):

I know, but they don’t like you ’cause you’re butchering their accent just awfully. Look at that Navarra. That is, yeah. That was cool.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 1s):

Fricking like full overland style. It’s got a roof rack and awning on it. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 4s):

It’s totally articulated out. The, the driver’s side rear is just stuffed in the front is hanging out. That’s, oh dude, I’m jealous. I

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 10s):

Wanna get down there. I, I seriously, I have, I’ve only been to Australia a few times but I’ve had different trips over the years offered where I could’ve gone on like expedition. Either somebody at work took it but it’s just,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 22s):

It’s too long though, right? It’s gonna have to be like weeks and weeks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 25s):

Sounds amazing. Whatcha talking about too long? It sounds

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 27s):

Well now you can do it ’cause you don’t have a job.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 29s):

Yeah, I know you should. It’s I, yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 32s):

I’m wondering if it would be worth getting fired to go down there for Yeah, I’m talking about me. Yeah. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 36s):

For sure. I don coming back’s gonna be hard, but yeah, going down there is fine. If you guys have a Yeah, if you got fired we could totally kill this podcast. We would. Oh we have so much time. Oh dude. It would be unbelievable how much effort we could put into this. There

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 48s):

Are a hundred ways I can piss off Galen, he’d let me go.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 51s):

Sounds like it’s self. You try to do a self-Fulfilling self flitted wound. Yeah. Alright. Alright. Got this one. One from Alden Lyric wrote quick comments about the last show. Four cylinder hurricane. Wouldn’t that be called a tropical storm? That’s only funny because of today. It’s tropical storming outside. Well, apparently earthquake, every time I hear stellantis I wanna look it up in a book of infectious diseases. I’m, it does sound that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 13s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 13s):

It would be an STI. Everyone talks about burgers at Culver’s.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 16s):

No, no. I feel like Stellantis is the company that solved it. They’ve

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 19s):

Got Yeah, yeah. No, they’re the pharmaceutical company. Yeah, exactly. Everyone talks about the burgers at Culver’s, but the best food at Culver’s is the fish and chips. That is a unpopular opinion. What? I’d rather have a butter burger. Other quick question that Lightning might be able to answer. We have multiple fire engines that use def, but sadly, like you mentioned, we don’t drive them long enough to get the exhaust hot enough to burn out. So we are finding ourselves out of our area about twice a week, doing a 45 minute run on the freeway, trying to get the trucks into region. Has there been any talk about the leading for emergency vehicles? And thank you guys. Great show Emmy. Yeah buddy. And remember everything matters.

17 (1h 35m 53s):

Yeah buddy.

18 (1h 35m 55s):

Thanks for watching. And remember everything matters.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 1s):

Deleting your death, your diesel exhaust fluid system, your aftertreatment for emergency vehicles.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 6s):

Let me ask, let me put it this way. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 8s):

Gotta think No is the answer unless you’re the army, navy, or Marines. You know what

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 12s):

The answer is? Yeah. Manual regen.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 15s):

So that’s a ram though, right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 17s):

He doesn’t say

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 18s):

It’s firetruck. Yeah. So if you have a durmax that’s easy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 20s):

It’s, well, no, but I’m, this is probably a medium duty chassis is my

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 23s):

Point. No, I understand that. But some medium duty like the durmax, the reason that can, we can command that is they

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 28s):

Have that option in the commercial side. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 29s):

Exactly right. You can actually command it from what I understand from the steering Wheel on a durmax powered like bread van or something, the

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 37s):

Ford, that’d be a hell of a bread van. The

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 39s):

Fords were about to implement manual regen. This is where you can pull over to the side of the road, you know, at like a rest stop, lift your hood and then it goes up, spins up to about 2,500 R RRP M and goes into a region. That by the way, is the loudest thing you’ve ever heard. It’s like a jet taking off and it lasts for about 20 minutes and freaks everyone out. But once they do it, they’re like, okay, I get it. I get what’s happening here. Ram with the Cummins. We haven’t figured out how to command the stationary regen yet. So write us back and let me know what truck you have ’cause maybe we can help. Question mark

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 13s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 14s):

Iceland. Subject line from en Enrique Pacheco. Hey guys, I know you like power strokes and big wheels. So here’s some pictures of this incredible Ford Expedition that’s used to go up the glaciers in Iceland. It’s got 46 inch mud terrains and onboard tanks to adjust the tire pressure while driving. Cheers. Enrique from Berka Overland in Spain. And. that is dope man. Look at the size. Cool. Tires are awesome. This truck? No, let me, let me show you this picture. Yep. It’s got it parked next to, it looks like a, a Jeep like your wife’s. Yep. And it just dwarfs it. It’s, yeah. Thank you for writing us from Spain.

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 48s):

Alright, so Trevor Nero writes theoretical Jeep question. Okay. Just bench racing mental build. If you were, were to do a Jeep JL crawler, starting with the absolute cheapest base model and then adding in Atlas tons, et cetera, which motor are you going with? Any absolute must have options. I would just do, it would be a sport V six two-door. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 13s):

The three six, right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 14s):

Yeah, because I don’t want the turbo. So here’s my, here’s my take. I love the two liter turbo, but is it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 20s):

Hard to control the rocks to keep it up in boost?

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 22s):

Well it’s, it’s not necessarily the boost. There’s a bunch of things. It’s pedal latency, it’s also torque, converter surge. So it’s hard to drive smooth. Wow. And then how bad

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 31s):

Is it? I, it’s annoying. I’ve only, I’ve only been in a passenger seat.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 35s):

Yeah, it’s annoying. Here’s the thing, I think that on the highway, the two liter is awesome. A lot of power, especially for climbing grades and all that kind of stuff. Altitude. I usually tell people this, if you are a daily driver, not a lot of off-roading or you live at altitude, get the two liter. If you are closer to, you know, C level and you’re doing more off-roading and rock crawling, get the V six, couple reasons why there’s no turbo. The V six has more displacement, so you’re having a displacement versus turbo game. Right? Right. So there’s no replacement for that and you don’t have to, there’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 10s):

No replacement for displacement. Is that what you meant to say? What

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 12s):

Did I say? I said there’s no replacement for that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 16s):

I know, but you didn’t say it like the funny phrase

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 18s):

Because that’s a cliche and I was trying to not avoid it. Speak in cliches. Yeah. I. think it’s funny. All right, well there’s no replacement for displacement. Whatever. I can get the V six with a manual. You can’t get that with the, with the two liter. And then also I think it’s a lot easier to modulate off-Road than the two liter is. So for me it would be a V six two-door manual. And, I would start there ’cause I think that would be one hell of an awesome crawler. And the V six takes kindly to pretty deep gearing because it makes its power. It’s a lot higher in the power band. The four liter makes its power or the, I’m sorry, the four cylinder, two liter makes its power down low six makes it higher, but it takes to gearing really nicely. So anyway, that’s a good answer. That’s, that’s what I was say.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 0s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 1s):

Got this one from Mark Manti says Yj Wrangler Restoration help Hey lighting and Holman Greetings from Kenya. Wow. Yeah, that’s crazy. That’s cool. So thanks again for providing great truck content. Reading my emails on the show. I’ve been trying to put a 91 Yj back on the road for about a year and keep running into difficulty fighting hardware, especially for the interior. The whole Jeep was basically disassembled to change the color from yellow to silver before I bought it. I’ve been spoiled in the past with other vehicles where vendors offer kits of replacement screws and clips. Do you guys have any recommendations on who I might contact for hardware for older Jeeps Thanks to Advance.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 32s):

Interesting. And by the way, you know that we’re the number one truck enthusiast podcast in Kenya.

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 36s):

Yeah, absolutely. Wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 38s):

Where does he go for all like a clip package? I,

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 41s):

I’d still say the dealer. Really? Yeah. I Mean. That’s probably the best place to find all that kinda stuff is and, and Ken’s gonna have to order and have it shipped in, I’m sure. Right? So there’s still, yeah, it’s not, it’s not like LMC truck or TMI or some of those who have all the interior. We can do a full interior. The the Jeep market. There’s not really any players there that I can think of off the top of my head that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 1s):

I wonder why

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 2s):

That is. I Mean, you can get seats, you can get tops, you can get carpets. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 5s):

I wonder why there’s not a full retrofit company

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 8s):

Because maybe they figure the old, well there’s probably not a lot of products to offer until you get to YJTJ. Ah, I Mean. There’s not a lot of interior and previous Jeeps or metal and mower. Metal and I Gotcha. Sharp

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 19s):

Edges. That makes sense. Alright. There’s so much more email to get to. We will do it on the next episode and we’ll take some of your call to the five star hotline at 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Give us a ring watch. Check

4 (1h 41m 32s):

The truck show the truck show the truck show. Whoa.

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 38s):

And you can even find us on social at lbc Lightning at Sean b Holman at truck Show Podcast. Or you can email us truck Show Podcast at gmail.com. Holman at truck Show Podcast or Lightning at Truck Show podcast. If you wanna get ahold of us individually, and I’m happy to report that through Hurricane Hillary and an earthquake, the pod shed is still standing. This

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 57s):

Could be the strongest building you’ve ever owned.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 1s):

It might be. In fact, we were in here in with the AC on the entire time and riding in relative comfort.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 6s):

It didn’t feel like a rollercoaster for just a moment, but that wasn it. The walls didn’t sway.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 10s):

That wasn a kind of a roller. You know, sometimes you get the hurricane or the earthquakes that are like a jolt. This is more of a roller. The the, the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 17s):

Jolts are the freaky ones. Those are the ones that make people leave California because they, they bounce, they

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 22s):

Don’t feel good. Freaky. But look, there’s no water intrusion in here. The four walls are still standing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 28s):

Oh, you did a nice job. I

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 29s):

Also also Odd, she, I I want to say thank you to all of you who wrote me all sorts of funny notes on my several stories of how to smoke a brisket. So go to again at Sean P Holman, if you want to see some of those or a couple reels on operating a Tesla. Hey.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 45s):

Oh listen, listen, you’re running a couple of businesses. You’ve got use for adventure, you’ve got truck famous LLC, you got the the pod shit, you got the the podcast. You got everything that you’re doing.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 55s):

OVR OVR. Forget OVR. What the hell do you I’m on the board of directors at N-B-C-A-I.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 59s):

What? So stop it. Where are you finding the time to write brisket instructions? well,

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 5s):

I didn’t write ’em. I made video so I just did it concurrent with my cooking. Oh. I was just like, here, this is how you do it. I just, I’ve

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 12s):

You need to prioritize my friend. Sounds like a not a good use of your time.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 16s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 17s):

We need to grow this show and I don’t know that brisket making, what do you call it? Brisket? Brewing Brisket. There’s gotta be something that’s brisket smoking. No, that doesn’t roll off the tongue.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 27s):

Yeah, but you know what? It makes people go, wow, I listen, we have audience members who are checking in and they’re like, I came for the trucks but I stayed for the whisky and brisket. No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 38s):

Yeah. No, they do not. Percent No, they’re no they do. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 40s):

No, no. Listen, The Truck Show Podcast is an education in manhood. This is the type of show where it’s like, oh dude, these guys are talking about trucks. And they’re like, oh, they mentioned guns and oh, they mentioned whiskey and they mentioned smoking meat and they mentioned and it’s like, it’s just a, it’s like a trip through Man Lane. That’s it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 58s):

A trip through Man Lane. Yeah, that’s, it’s a trip down man Lane. Sure. Whatever.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 3s):

Whatever you want to say it. All I’m saying is that you, we we are value add. How about that?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 9s):

Whatever you say

Miles the Producer (1h 44m 11s):

Guys, quit your babbling about brisket and manhood. Get to the sponsors.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 15s):

No. Alright, well babbling about Brisket is a great band name. It is.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 19s):

Write that down.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 20s):

I’m, I’m gonna get right on that. Alright, we have Think Nissan are presenting sponsor. They have been with podcasts since nearly the beginning. And if you are interested in a truck, you wanna head on over to Nissan usa.com where you can use their build and price tool to see which options and features they have for you, how much it’ll cost. And you can even head on down to your local Nissan dealer where you can drive one and experience zero gravity seats a Fender audio system and a standard V eight in the Titans and 310 horsepower V six in the Frontiers. You’ll

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 49s):

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Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 31s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 46s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 46s):

Not. Florida. Florida flosser. Right. Like a rock crawler or a California pre-runner. Yep.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 53s):

I was gonna say West Coast is California I. think it’s West Coast

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 55s):

Or a Colorado Rock crawler. They got you. They got you covered. They will mount end balance and ship your tires to you for free. You can skip the tire shop, save yourself hundreds of dollars and the hassle. And they’ll even include TPMS sensors if your vehicle requires them. Again, that’s SD Wheel dot com.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 12s):

This is the worst show we’ve ever done.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 14s):

Oh no. This is actually episode number 301. And I can guarantee you there are worse shows in the catalog than this one.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 22s):

True, true, true. Sadly, The Truck Show Podcast is a production of truck famous LLC. This podcast was created by Sean Holman and Jay Tillis with production elements by DJ Omar Khan. If you like what you’ve heard, please open your Apple Podcast or Spotify app and give us a five star rating. And if you’re a fan, there’s no better way to show your support than by patronizing our sponsors. Some vehicles may have been harmed during the making of this podcast, lower than the.