Listen in as Matt Banach and Ted Horowitz, longtime friends, share insights into their involvement with the documentary “From The Ground Up: Keeping The Desert Clean” by 303 Products and STA-BIL. Additionally, they delve into Leitner Designs’ innovative approach to the roof cargo box and platform rack system. Proudly brought to you by Nissan and in partnership with Banks Power, this is The Truck Show Podcast.



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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1s):

Holman, welcome in for another episode of The Truck. Show Podcast, I’ve got something to make you happy. You

Sean P. Holman (5s):

Ready? Is it money?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8s):

No, it’s better.

Sean P. Holman (8s):

Is it Jeeps? Better? Is it Red Vines?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12s):

It’s something you will not forget the rest of today.

Sean P. Holman (15s):

Lifetime supply of Dr. Pepper. Nope.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16s):

Here it is.

2 (17s):

Taste the biscuit. Taste the goodness of the biscuit.

Sean P. Holman (24s):

Yeah, I saw that.

2 (25s):

Taste the honey sauce. This is a taste the goodness of the biscuit.

Sean P. Holman (29s):

Super weird. I have no idea. Honey sauce. Why you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32s):

Have this official podcast? Oh, God bless. I forgot the dude who sent that to us. My apologies. Horrible. Someone sent us this clip on the gram and it’s a dude playing like an old rolling keyboard and a woman in her.

Sean P. Holman (44s):

No, it’s like yacht rock. It’s like the what were the yacht rock? It was like, what were the two on Saturday Night Live? It’s that exact thing. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49s):

They’re in a department store like a,

Sean P. Holman (51s):

There’s people, like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52s):

A thrift store and they’re shopping

Sean P. Holman (53s):

Stuff behind it, and there’s people walking around.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55s):

But I just I Mean. Come on.

2 (57s):

Taste the biscuit. Taste the

Sean P. Holman (59s):


2 (59s):

Taste the goodness of the biscuit of the

Sean P. Holman (1m 2s):

Biscuits. It’s super weird. I like the Waffle House one Better Taste

2 (1m 5s):

The honey sauce.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 6s):

The honey sauce dude.

2 (1m 7s):

Taste the goodness of the biscuit. The honey, honey sauce.

Sean P. Holman (1m 11s):

Yeah. I, I I’m not, I’m not really down with that. I don’t know. I been what? That has to, to do. The, Truck, Show, Podcast.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 17s):

I’ve been singing this for the last 24 hours. I cannot get it out of my head. Taste the biscuit.

Sean P. Holman (1m 23s):

Dude. There was one guy who was like, he did this thing from Waffle House. It was awesome. It was like a, a reel on Instagram and a bunch of people sent it to me because they know my affinity for Waffle House. And it was kind of like southern ca I think it was southern California because of the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 37s):

Waffle House. Because you like, ’cause you like bad,

Sean P. Holman (1m 38s):

Right? No, it’s, it’s delicious. Mm. You’re the only person who thinks it’s bad.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 42s):

It’s just cardboard with some syrup on it.

Sean P. Holman (1m 44s):

Nope. That’s not true at all. Yeah. All, right? So. I thought about you because this is called when people from Southern California go to Waffle House and I was like, this is all the things you complain about. And he goes through a, a range of emotions and it just, you just go ahead and play it.

3 (1m 60s):

Waffle House, is this like a Denny’s type of thing? I hope they have gluten free, anybody else’s menu. Wet. So like vintage in here. It smells like high cholesterol and court appearance in why is everything in this place? Damn. Feels like a movie set in here. Do you guys do lattes? Is our chef smoking lattes? Yeah, he’s definitely smoking espresso. Can we smoke in here? This is fun. It’s like an eighties movie. Okay, do You know where the nearest Starbucks is? Oh, they brought their kid to work. That’s fun. Did he just ash in my eggs? Our waitress has a walkie-talkie taped her ankle prob. That’s

2 (2m 28s):

An ankle monitor.

3 (2m 29s):

Who’s she monitoring? Her kids. Do you guys see avocado toast on here? She’s on probation. Probation. Is that like a medicine? Is this farm to table? That guy just flipped our waffle with a shank. This looks like I should be hung over. Hey, do you guys have garlic aioli? Oh. good truffle butter. You guys have tr tastes like salt elbow grease and a misdemeanor. Would you look at that? It’s like a Cracker Jack’s prize. I won two hair farm to table. Somehow everything tastes like ketchup. Yeah, even the water or farm to Frank. That’s the same color as his beard All, right? I taste

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 59s):

Like ketchup. He found a knife in his eggs.

Sean P. Holman (3m 3s):

I just, I saw that and it went, this is this Lightning all rolled up into one little real.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 7s):

That is

Sean P. Holman (3m 7s):

Good. Real. I don’t know. I I’m not into the, the biscuits and the honey sauce, but I will take my hash browns. I don’t know. Smothered covered, scattered chunked. I’ll do it all. I like everything on my hash browns at at at Waffle House.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 22s):

Negative. Try again. I’m Lightning. he is Holman I. know you hate when I say that. So this is The Truck Show Podcast. On this episode we have 3 0 3 products. Not only are we gonna be talking about some really cool stuff, Ooh,

Sean P. Holman (3m 33s):

Rubber seal protectant. It’s one of my favorites from them. If you own a Jeep, you have to use three oh three’s rubber seal protectant. It’s okay. It’s like the best.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 41s):

Okay, well they are also owned by Golden Eagle and May and Golden Eagle stable.

Sean P. Holman (3m 46s):

Yeah. So yes. So if you’ve got farm equipment or a vehicle that you know stayed part for a long time, you’ve no doubt probably used stable in the fuel tank. Now

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 54s):

What is in that big box? Sorry. Two big Boxes behind you.

Sean P. Holman (3m 58s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 59s):

Yeah, it says 3 0 3 on the outside. Are we gonna go through that stuff? Can I have some

Sean P. Holman (4m 4s):

Please? No, no, no. We’ll, we’ll open it when our guests are, are on the program.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 7s):

Okay, so we’ve got Matt from 3 0 3 on the show. And also Ted Horowitz, which I think he’s affiliated with. Keep our deserts clean. An organization out of Arizona. We’ll find out more about that. and I got a box to open really quick here if you don’t mind. This is from Billet Technology. Ooh, this is like, what’s going on here? What is This is a

Sean P. Holman (4m 27s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 28s):

No. Is it a what

Sean P. Holman (4m 29s):

Is This is a plate. Is it a Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 31s):

My Lord, look at this.

Sean P. Holman (4m 33s):

Look at the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 34s):


Sean P. Holman (4m 34s):

Is that a a billet fuse box. Oh, what is that?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 36s):

This is a billet, an engraved truck. Show Podcast Fuse box cover.

Sean P. Holman (4m 42s):

I think it looks like an ashtray.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 43s):

Oh my gosh.

Sean P. Holman (4m 44s):

See, look at, look. It has it right here. I’ll put my cigars there. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 47s):

This is anodized black with The Truck Show Podcast logo. Fully All, right? Hold on

Sean P. Holman (4m 51s):

Etched. This has to added

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 53s):

To a machine. Not etched. Machined into this. No, this

Sean P. Holman (4m 55s):

Is, again, this is totally machine. This is really red Whoa So. I’m gonna go put this on our shelf over here next to our cyber truck. All. right? And our ant farm. Look at

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 3s):

That. Oh dude. Billet technology for the wind. Looks

Sean P. Holman (5m 6s):

Super rad on our gift shelf. How hard was the install of that catch can on the TRX

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 11s):

10 minutes? I’m not even joking. I was, it was so funny because I was looking at the instructions going, why is this not that hard? I, I kept thinking I’m doing something wrong. Nope. It was like 10 minutes. I

Sean P. Holman (5m 21s):

Like how you always think, why is this not worse on me? Rather than going, this company really has it down. They did. No, they do. They did. They’ve done the design work and they make it super easy for the customers. You always feel like, I watched

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 30s):

The video. Why are I watched the video? I’m like, that’s it.

Sean P. Holman (5m 33s):

Are these idiots making easy products that customers will love? I don’t understand. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 37s):

They do. Well, if you’re looking for a catch can and you’re in one of the, the, the zero states that allow it,

Sean P. Holman (5m 42s):

That’s really the zero states. That’s,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 44s):


Sean P. Holman (5m 44s):

California for your race. You can’t

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 45s):

Do it. Race car. Race car for your race car, your race truck. You’re

Sean P. Holman (5m 47s):

Off road only vehicle. Okay. That’s right. Speaking of companies that make products that are really amazing, I just got back from the open house. Our buddy Bernard Lightner from Lightener Design just dropped two super, super badass products for the truck market. All, right? So what we’re talking about is, you guys are familiar with Lightener design. They have the, the a CS Active Cargo system. They’re forged bed rack system. So you guys are familiar with that. They’ve got their gear, pod, Boxes, all that stuff. They just released a brand new rack system that they call the a CS roof. And you’re like, man is, there’s another roof rack out there, but it’s designed to mount on top of their bed rack system or on a low mount on ano covers such as the one that Lightning has on his T Rx.

Sean P. Holman (6m 30s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 30s):

Freaked when I saw this. Or

Sean P. Holman (6m 32s):

There’s different mounting kits for Tacoma, things like that. What’s awesome about it is it has slats and the slats like everybody else, except they’re infinitely variable because he has his own lightener hardware designed where you can make the slats at any point in the platform. You can add as many as you want to. You have a solid platform or let’s say you have a moonroof on your truck and you don’t wanna have the slats above your moonroof, you can take ’em out there where most racks, the planks are structural and they’re permanently mounted. This, the ring around it is structural in the middle. You can do whatever you want with. And it’s a super Killer design. He uses his own pro proprietary extrusion and he has the ability to hide wires in it.

Sean P. Holman (7m 13s):

He’s got t-track for mounting all sorts of accessories like lights and things like that. Super smart. But that’s not what I’m excited about.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 21s):

How can you not be excited about that?

Sean P. Holman (7m 22s):

You should be excited about that because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 24s):

I’m like, if you’ve ever owned a set of Bed Steps, right from AMP Research, that’s his father. Like they created that. he was there, Bernard was there when that invention was happening. The bed steps. If you’ve ever seen those extrusions on those bed steps, you’re like, this is an amazing piece of mechanical engineering. That’s what Lightner is today. He’s taking it to the next level and Bernard is freaking on. Well what point, what

Sean P. Holman (7m 45s):

Bernard is good at is finding a product, whatever the associated pain points are and then engineering them out of that product. So the fact that you can put this rack together in You know probably minutes. You can adjust it on the fly with minimal amount of tools. You can mount things all over the place on ’em. When

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 2s):

I was in Big Bear, I saw guys who had roof racks and they had lights around the LEDs, but they had the cables just ziptied to the

Sean P. Holman (8m 8s):

Exterior. Right? So this has cable channels inside the extrusion without areas. So you can run your cables through and when it’s put together there’s rounded end caps. Well normally you have to disassemble the entire rack to access those end caps. These are like one or two screws, they pop out and you run the wires and cable management through there. So it’s super cool the fact that the planks can go at any length. I’m like super stoked because I was You know, been waiting for this product to come out and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 34s):

It’s, so again, This is a a roof rack. Roof rack or it can go on your tono if your Tono has the channels that accept. Yeah, it’s

Sean P. Holman (8m 41s):

A, it’s a roof rack with high or low mound. Some vehicle specific, some universal that allow you to mount a platform style roof rack on your truck bed or on your existing a CS system. So if you already have his bed rack, you could mount this rack on top of it. So if you have the uprights, maybe you’re only using the gear pods and you wanna have a platform rack ’cause you wanna put stuff up top, you can do that with this. So that’s the rack part of it. So what I’m really stoked about is in addition to having this rack that can go over the cab or over the bed, he now has a new Cargo box for the roof. So you might think OG another cargo box. Everybody has cargo Boxes Roma already makes a great one. Pelican just came out with their great ones. Whatever. No, no, no. These lightener, Cargo Boxes are completely different.

Sean P. Holman (9m 22s):

They open from the side.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 25s):

Wait what? So

Sean P. Holman (9m 25s):

Every cargo box is made as a box that goes on your roof or it goes on your bed or whatever. None of ’em were designed from the start to go on your roof. So you have to climb on top of your truck, on top of your bed, on top of your rack, on top of your gear to open the box. So what Lightener did was his box is open from the side.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 42s):

What keeps everything from just pouring out on me?

Sean P. Holman (9m 45s):

You, oh you putting your gear in. Right. The way I, he’s gonna, he’s gonna be making some soft bags that will contain everything and they’ll be fitted to the inside of his Boxes. And so they’re about 120 liters, which is a really big size. I wanna say it’s like 18 wide, 12 high and 48 long. So it’s a pretty big box. But because it opens from the side, these Boxes are designed structurally to hold a hundred pounced each on top of them. So you can put rotor packs, any rotor packs mount or any max tracks mount. The mold is pre dimpled for the the bolt pattern for the mounts. So you can put your max tracks or your roto pack on top like this photo here. Yeah, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 24s):

See that. That is he So. I. I dare I say he thought of everything.

Sean P. Holman (10m 27s):

So if you are limited on space, the other thing is handles are molded into it. That door has a really deep, I believe the seal, the bulb seal is an automotive bulb seal. But the part where the plastic comes out is double the height of the competitor to keep dust and water out of it. It also has a mechanical spring hinge so you don’t have to worry about those struts blowing out or going bad over time. So when you open it up the spring opens the door and keeps it open for you, which is super awesome. I would

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 55s):

Prefer to just fall on my head over and over and over again.

Sean P. Holman (10m 58s):

I think that’s happened already. Yeah. Can you tell, what’s really awesome though is when you get a box and you wanna mount it to a rack, you have to get a, either a mounting plate and the mounting plates usually have like fingers that stick up and you have to put the box in an angle, lock it down and then secure it on the front. Or you have to go over the top with straps, which if you go over the top with straps, you can’t open the box or you can get a proprietary plate like a roam plate that holds the bottom of the box so the top can pop open, but then you need to secure the top with a padlock so it can’t be open and that you can still access it. And when the box is off, you have a plate that sticks up three or four inches. Well for people that have a vehicle that’s already garage height limited, if you’re not running a box you want, you don’t wanna have to keep pulling the brackets off.

Sean P. Holman (11m 40s):

You don’t want two or three inches of more height making wind noise and keeping you outta your garage. So what Lightner did was he made a mounting plate that mounts, it’s only like an inch high and it mounts through the inside of the box. And not only that, So I don’t have to buy a padlock. I don’t have to have things in whistling or rusting or banging around off road, no vibrating. And nobody can get to my hardware because it’s all inside the box itself. It’s not on the outside to connect it. And that’s what’s freaking genius So.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 7s):

I feel like these are going to be spendy.

Sean P. Holman (12m 10s):

They are. But when you look at the price of the competitor, you realize this is an American made box versus an import box that you don’t need to go buy padlocks. And that the mounting plate is I think $99 or something like that versus 120 to 220 for the competitors really on top of their box

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 27s):

For that much. I think

Sean P. Holman (12m 29s):

These are going to be 6 99 including the locks, including the mounting plates and hardware.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 36s):

That sounds reasonable. It is

Sean P. Holman (12m 38s):

Reasonable because I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 38s):

Think can I do just one or do I need to go two so they’re symmetrical or No, I’m do

Sean P. Holman (12m 42s):

Whatever you want. I’m going to be testing one of his Boxes out and I’m just doing one. Okay. When I do a roof rack, I’m gonna have his box on one side and then I’m gonna have max tracks and rota packs on the other side. A

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 52s):

Roof rack on what vehicle? Because

Sean P. Holman (12m 53s):

We’ll talk about it when it comes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 55s):

Wait a minute. Are you considering putting a roof rack on the Jeep?

Sean P. Holman (12m 57s):

Oh, I’m not considering it’s, it’s a done deal. Whatcha you talking about Willis

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 0s):

Hold on just a second.

Sean P. Holman (13m 1s):

So we’ll, we’ll talk about that down the line. But the, the lightener Boxes weigh 35 pounced, which is lighter than some of the competition. Wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 8s):

I may need to text our buddy Mr. Lightner. And I’m really

Sean P. Holman (13m 13s):

Excited about this. I’m telling you that that rack with the low profile tonneau cover mounts Yes. For the T Rx would be perfect. Oh, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 18s):

Know you can put bike. He has a T Rx on

Sean P. Holman (13m 20s):

There. You can put your

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 20s):

Ship. Did he ever fix his T rx by the way? he was there. he was there. Yeah, he was, he remember we talked to him about the picture.

Sean P. Holman (13m 25s):

I said you was his T Rx.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 26s):

Okay. I couldn’t tell if it was his

Sean P. Holman (13m 28s):

I know, but there’s a T Rx, that’s why I always said it to you. I’m like, dude, this is like what you need. It’s low profile. It’s out of the way. Put

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 35s):

It a bike rack on it.

Sean P. Holman (13m 36s):

You can put a bike rack on it, you can camp on top of it if you want to. You can do whatever you want. It’s, it’s the business lightener

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 43s):

Designs dot com light. Go for that. Wow. That’s, that’s a big old plug for something we believe in.

Sean P. Holman (13m 48s):

Yeah. Make great, great products.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 50s):

Speaking of great plugs, if you’re looking for an absolutely amazing truck that you can just pound on and it laughs right in your face. What? That’s all you got. Nissan, Nissan, Titan Nissan, frontier Industry leading warranty at five year, 100,000 miles. You

Sean P. Holman (14m 5s):

Can build and price at Nissan or you can head on down to your local Nissan dealer where you can check ’em out in person. Nissan Frontier. Nissan Titan Nissan Titan XD trucks that will outlast you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 16s):


Sean P. Holman (14m 17s):

True. Especially if you’ve got the diet of us. Me.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 19s):


Sean P. Holman (14m 19s):

What kind of exhaust products are you, are you pitching for Banks? This, this episode?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 24s):

None. Oh no Ohoh. This is all about the pedal monster. Ooh. I like

Sean P. Holman (14m 28s):

The pedal monster.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 28s):

What is quickly becoming the go-to throttle controller on the market? There are a lot of choices. You guys have all seen ’em on your Facebook feeds Amazon everywhere. But the best throttle controller bar none is the only OBD connected throttle controller on the market. That’s the pedal mount. Well that’s just

Sean P. Holman (14m 45s):

Part of it. You’ve got reverse safety, which means that it knows you’re in reverse so there’s no pedal sensitivity added when you’re backing up. So you don’t have to worry about putting your boat sideways on the ramp or your RV sideways in the, in the RV camp. And then you’ve got active safety, which means if it fails, it fails to stock. And, and you can be assured that the bank’s product is never gonna leave you in a situation that’s dangerous or unsafe. It’s the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 7s):

Smoothest responding safest throttle controller on the market. Find yours at Banks,

4 (15m 14s):

The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer what? The truck, because Truck s The Truck show. We have the lifted, we have the lowered and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on Diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show the truck show Whoa.

5 (15m 45s):

It’s the truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

4 (15m 51s):

Hi. You

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 51s):

Ready for this?

6 (15m 54s):


Sean P. Holman (15m 54s):

Depends. What do I need to prepare

6 (15m 55s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 56s):

I’m gonna dial the guys from 3 0 3 products.

Sean P. Holman (15m 58s):

Well then yeah, I’m absolutely ready for that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 60s):

Yeah. Do you think they’re actually ready to take our call? Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (16m 2s):

They’ve been waiting patiently for us to finish talking about, I don’t know all the things that we talked about before we start

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 7s):

The show. Thank God they’re not on hold just listening to us

Sean P. Holman (16m 9s):

Blather. They won’t, they wouldn’t be there anymore.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 12s):

All. right? Let’s dial up Matt and Ted.

8 (16m 18s):

Hello. Hello.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 20s):

Matt. Ted. Lightning. Holman Truck. Show. Podcast. How you guys doing? How’s it going?

8 (16m 24s):

Doing pretty well. How about you?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 25s):

We are out. Outstanding. We’re we’re excited that we got you both on the phone and we’ve got some, a lot of questions for you, but not before we can play your intro. So don’t move,

6 (16m 35s):

Pull up a stool and share, pull up a stool and share us a story. Pull up a stool and share.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 44s):

How about you pull up a stool and share with us now dollars to donuts. Neither of them are sitting on a, on a stool right now. Holman. But they

Sean P. Holman (16m 52s):

But they do wanna share.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 53s):

They do wanna share. Yes. Lots to share. So All, right? We’ve got Matt. Matt, how do you pronounce your last name? It’s Ache. Bach.

8 (16m 60s):

Bannock Close.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 1s):

Bach Close. Okay. The hard c bannock.

Sean P. Holman (17m 4s):

You’re really good at butchering names. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 6s):

I’m the best. I Your

Sean P. Holman (17m 7s):

Pronunciations were two. I would not have even gone

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 9s):

To really Well you really would’ve said bannock. Absolutely. Ah, well I get semi ding. Okay. And then Ted Ted Horowitz. Are

Sean P. Holman (17m 17s):

You gonna ask him if it’s, if

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 19s):

It’s Horowitz po White, it’s either Horowitz or Horowitz. I know. It’s exactly Horowitz. Yeah, I’m sure I’m gonna screw it up if I can.

8 (17m 27s):

Ted Horowitz you guys.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 28s):

Exactly. All. right. So Matt is at Golden Eagle and Ted, I I know that you’re sitting currently on the board of directors at, of key part deserts clean. But are you, how did you guys meet and where are you working?

8 (17m 40s):

So I, I am actually a practicing trial attorney here in Arizona. I I’m a partner at Meyer Law Group in Gilbert. and then I also run Arizona off-road attorneys, which kind of segues my, my love of off-roading and trucks and with my day-to-day profession. But Matt and I actually met way back in probably middle school for me, high school for Ann back in Munster, Indiana.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 6s):

So I was trying to figure out how you both had two Anant numbers, which is the Chicago

Sean P. Holman (18m 10s):

Area, but you were in different parts of the country.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 12s):

Yeah. I’m like, how did that occur? And you’re in Arizona so you got that way back in the day.

8 (18m 18s):

Way back in the day. Yep. So, so that’s, that’s sort of how, how all of this all started and, and why we still talk today.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 25s):

Now your stories are very intertwined and it’s interesting. So you met when you guys were kids and today you are, you’re gallivanting around shooting documentaries, but you both do very, very different things. As you said, you are an attorney and then, then one of you is in Chicago at, at Golden Eagle, which is the make stable, which is a fuel stabilizer Then

Sean P. Holman (18m 45s):

3 0 3 3 product 3 0 3. So, we’ll, we’ll get into that. In fact, I’ve got two Boxes behind me because you guys sent us two giant Boxes of goods. I haven’t opened ’em yet. I figured we would open them on the show and see what goodies are in there. I’m actually a 3 0 3 user because Well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 59s):

As long as it’s not a bomber ricin we’re good. No,

Sean P. Holman (19m 1s):

It’s not leaking. There’s nothing greasy on the outside. It’s not ticking. So I. Think we’re good.

9 (19m 5s):

I know what they sent you so no promises. Oh

Sean P. Holman (19m 7s):

This will be fun. Oh, this is gonna be the mystery box for everybody’s my favorite. Oh, awesome. So my

8 (19m 12s):

Favorite when Bock tells his guys to send the sample packs, just, you just get all sorts of breaks.

Sean P. Holman (19m 15s):

Send the mystery box. I have been a longtime 3 0 3 user of your weather strip cleaning. ’cause I have a Jeep. And what I realized way back in the Jeep JK days is as your top and your freedom panels and your tailgate got squeaky, usually at least 75% of the noise or more was because people never popped their tops and wiped down the seals of dust. And they would get kind of hard from the Desert and dried out. and you guys have a fantastic cleaner that has like a foam applicator. and I usually go, every time I do oil change, I pop up off all the tops in the tailgate. I go with a wet rag and clean off all the dust and then I put your product on all the weather stripping, put it back down and all the squeaks are gone.

Sean P. Holman (19m 56s):

And so for a Jeep owner, I always tell people if they’ve got a squeaky top, just wipe it down and go get 3 0 3. And that stuff is awesome. So I, I’ve been a longtime user of it.

9 (20m 5s):

You you are more diligent than most. But yeah, that, those are great applications. We, we love the Jeep community because they’re with tops and the plastic windows and everything else. They’re, they’re loyal customers

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 14s):

On the stable side, which a totally different company under the Golden Eagle Company Banner. Everyone I know uses stable. I can, I’ve got it in my Honda U 2000 Jennie’s. I’ve got two of them. I have it in my lawnmower, I have it, I’ll use it in in my Mercedes when I don’t use the car for a while, when it’ll sit for a month if I’m out of town. My

Sean P. Holman (20m 31s):

Flat fender when it sat in a container was filled with stable. And would You know it started up, you were able to fire it up after It’s that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 37s):

No, I believe that

Sean P. Holman (20m 37s):

I know good stuff. I, I used to use it in all my lawn stuff and then at the ranch, just stuff that sits around for a while. It’s great.

9 (20m 43s):

Well, testimonials are always good. I Mean it, it works when people actually use the product and use it the right way. So it’s been around for I Mean, we came out in 1958, so I’m sure it’s been used by a lot of people, but glad to hear a firsthand account of it.

Sean P. Holman (20m 56s):

That might be the only proc that came out. You know

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 57s):

That predates us. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (20m 59s):

Exactly. Well my, my 42 GPWI think it was, it ran horrible until Stable came out and then it was like, oh it was so happy back in the fifties. ’cause it was actually around then. That’s

8 (21m 10s):

That’s funny. My, my 53 CJ threat, CJ three A ran horrible until Bannock came around.

Sean P. Holman (21m 15s):

Oh see.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 15s):

Oh wow. I had a G three A

Sean P. Holman (21m 18s):

Had a 51 CJ three A and unfortunately had to sell it and so was, so the first four by four I ever drove a little background on me was the 42 4 GPW with a Buick odd fire in it. It’s been part of the family forever and it’s super ranchy fresh. And after I got rid of my 51,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 34s):

Is that a thing? Ranchy Fresh?

Sean P. Holman (21m 35s):

Yeah. I wanna know more about your organization. I’m actually on the board of directors for the Mojave Desert Heritage and Cultural Association. So we’re the ones that oversee the Mojave Road and East Mojave Heritage Trail on the California side. And so anybody who is protecting the Desert is okay by me.

8 (21m 52s):

Awesome man. Yeah, so we, we started back in 2019, that’s when we started doing official cleanups. Dylan Miller, the president and I we’re kind of off-Road buddies before that and we kind of went camping and You know, he had this whole plan for this, this organization to do off-Road cleanups. And since then we’ve done 23 cleanups, cleaned out about 140 tons of trash. 2000 tires, two jet skis, three camper trailers, and five boats.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 23s):

Oh my God.

8 (22m 24s):

So it it’s definitely grown. And I’m not talking about pulling boats like off the shore. Like we pulled one off the side of a mountain the other day up in Flagstaff.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 31s):

Wait, what? How did it get there?

8 (22m 33s):

You know people, people need somewhere to, to trash the, the rest of the boat hall that, that they chop up. So they, they try and get it up to somewhere. No one’s gonna find it. But You know that we always find it.

Sean P. Holman (22m 46s):

I thought most of those ended up at the Clea Yacht Club, which if you know, is a bar in the middle of nowhere in Arizona that has boats.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 55s):

Oh no, I didn’t know. Awesome.

8 (22m 56s):

Yep. Absolutely.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 57s):

I was gonna say, you guys take all the trash though and you just have a big burn pit. Right. And it just goes all up into the atmosphere, right? Oh no, that’s how Oh no, no Wouldn.

8 (23m 5s):

I’m kidding. Wouldn’t wouldn’t that be. No, we we, we work with various waste management places including, you know, waste management themselves, gator services to provide dumpsters and haul up for us. And we are always looking for sponsors for that kind of stuff because it is generally the most expensive part of running any of these cleanups is taking everyone else’s trash to somewhere that it belongs. That’s, that’s the biggest thing. But no, it’s, it’s crazy how many You know how much we’ve grown in, in just a few years. We, we got our 5 0 1 C3 status back in October, 2021 and that was really nice because that was right before Bannock and his guys came out and shot that documentary.

8 (23m 46s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 47s):

Oh, Hold on, they’re plotting for the, the charitable status

Sean P. Holman (23m 50s):

And that guy in the back, he’s, he’s standing up clapping, sit

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 53s):

Down. We’re not done with the interview yet.

Sean P. Holman (23m 55s):

He, he really loves clean Desert. Sit

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 57s):

Down back there. Alright, let’s, you

Sean P. Holman (23m 58s):

Know, I think the misnomer about guys and gals who recreate in the Desert, you know, a lot of people think the desert’s the wasteland and if you’re like us, you Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 7s):

They love, they treat it like the toilet sometimes.

Sean P. Holman (24m 9s):

You you love the Desert and it’s, it’s amazing. It’s, it’s amazing. Anything survives out there. There’s beauty in it. It’s just a, a wonderful place to spend time. But to lightning’s point, people think of it as You know the world’s dumpster and I think that what is kind of a misnomer for people who recreate and drive You know Jeeps and off roaders and four by fours is they don’t think of us as environmentalists. But the reality is, all of us who are out there, we wanna be willing through clean, pristine wilderness and, and back country just as much as the other person wants to have it clean. And what

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 41s):

Do you suppose that’s about Holman? I Mean honestly, what is it? Because ’cause you burn, you’re burning a petroleum. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (24m 46s):

I think it’s just people don’t want motor vehicles places. Right. Or they are are afraid of the people that motor vehicles might bring to an area. But the reality is, if I’m driving on a trail and I see cans and trash, I stop, I get out, I throw it in the trash, a ru in the back and then I keep going. You know I Mean. I think most people today who are responsible, you know, wheelers recreating offroad, they are cleaning up as they go. And it’s just amazing to me that there’s so much trash. And you know, there’s a a, we had a mining claim out by 29 Palms. It was near the marine base out there and we used to fill up for the BLM once a year in like four hours, a 40 yard dumpster full of stuff. Oh my God. and you would clean it up, you would haul a 40 yard dumpster outta this one wash.

Sean P. Holman (25m 28s):

That was our claim. And we’d work with the BLM, they’d pay for the dumpster, we’d do all the labor for it. and you’d go out there two weeks later and it’s completely trashed and shot up again and a bunch of You know refrigerators and washing machines. ’cause it was so close to town, it was only like a five mile trip from town. So you’re like, oh great wash, let’s go take all of our trash and shoot tires, shoot

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 47s):

Whatever. Why does everyone take tires to the Desert? Because

Sean P. Holman (25m 49s):

Tires cost money to dispose of, that’s why. Oh

8 (25m 52s):

That was a tough one for us, was finding someone to take our tires.

Sean P. Holman (25m 57s):

Now those are what you burned. You just burned those because No, I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 60s):

Just kidding. No, no, that’s so gross. Well, I Mean, if, if you go to keep your Desert right on the homepage it says donate, which of course that’s the goal of this thing is to get you guys to be involved in, to donate. And you’ve got a photo of like 150 people all standing around in a semicircle with all these really bitching trucks, Jeeps, et cetera, off-Road vehicles in the middle of the Desert with kind of dumpsters and, and all the things they need to clean the Desert. And it’s, it’s really cool to see everyone unified around this mission. Tell us how it’s grown since you’ve started this as a little project.

8 (26m 34s):

Absolutely. So, so our first few cleanups, I Mean, we had maybe 20, 30 people and over time and, and You know especially again, I Mean, when Matt and his guys came out and shot that documentary, it was huge for us. ’cause it really got the word out about us being more than just a bunch of off rotors out there hanging out and cleaning up. And that we really had a mission to continue to do this never to slow down and to continue to grow this thing into something that’s hopefully national one day. But we, we average now about 125 people per cleanup. And we also You know our, our biggest cleanups are just under 300 people.

8 (27m 14s):

And those are our, those are our big yearly events. So our, our one coming up this year is gonna be in on December 10th. And then we always do a toy drive and everything like that for the big December event. And, and last year I’m, I’m building a rock buggy right now in my garage. So last year I, I got that the half finished rock buggy up on a trailer, dress it up like Santa’s sled, my big, big Jewish never had a Christmas in my life. Rear end was out there in op You know, meet, meeting, meeting kids and, and and shaking hands and stuff. So it’s just You know I, we’ll do anything just to make sure that this mission keeps on ongoing and that we keep You know getting the people and the funding to allow us to keep doing what we love.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 56s):

No, so Ted, you’re talking about the documentary that Matt ha kind of helmed, right? So that’s From The Ground Up keeping our Desert clean. How did that happen? Is it professionally shot? Give us the backstory.

9 (28m 9s):

So Ted Ted’s been pretty active. I Mean, he is. He, we had a, actually had a side back going on. I think when he had to get the 2000 followers. I would talk to him about sponsoring his Suzuki that he had at the time, which is what we grew up with, like Suzuki Samurai and Wranglers and our CJ three A. So he kept doing all these different things and he had a Toyota Tacoma I think at that time. So he saw all the passionate people he was out doing this with. and I’m like, You know these groups, whether it be Samurai people or Jeep people, like they, they’ve been good customers of 3 0 3. And looking at the pictures like they had men, women, kids all out getting like behind doing this. I’m like, man, this would be like a good story to tell. Plus it would help Ted out. And it was an excuse to go out to Arizona for a week and hang out and do something fun.

9 (28m 53s):

So like, let’s, let’s capture this. So the, the team that we have at our office, ’cause Gold deals like you said, has all these different brands, it’s cost effective for us to have like on staff content team. So we shoot our how-to videos, all the stuff you see on Amazon where you see on social media. So we have a team of pretty well-rounded content careers, I Mean, they’ve come from a sports background. They’ve come from like political campaign just to shoot different things. So this was kinda a challenge for them. So they liked the challenge out there. ’cause Ted had prec scouted. It’s like All, right? We’re gonna go out there and do this one ’cause this will be good content. We went out the week ahead of time and shot all like, I think the main people that helped Ted out or that are at all the cleanups just to get their backstory and the story of their rigs and everything and figured, hey, this ever I Mean, there’s huge communities of Tacoma enthusiasts.

9 (29m 37s):

There’s huge communities of Jeep enthusiasts. Like they would love to hear this story just because whether you’re on the east coast, west coast, Midwest, I, Mean, it’s still the same story of there’s only so many places to offroad and Ted’s group is doing a lot of work just to try and keep all that stuff open. So we thought it was a great story to tell.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (29m 53s):

How long did it take to put together and where can it be seen?

9 (29m 56s):

It was like a full on week of shooting and editing took quite a while because it’s, it’s pushing an hour. I think I forget exactly how long it is. 48.

Sean P. Holman (30m 4s):

It’s all YouTube. It’s 19 seconds.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 6s):

Is that what it is? Okay.

Sean P. Holman (30m 7s):

And they it’s beautifully shot too. The cinematography is really nice on it. Yeah,

8 (30m 10s):

They They did They did an amazing job. I Mean. It was, it was, it was also great to take a week week off of work and just drive these guys around and go wheeling all week. I think they got a, I think they got some great drone footage of me flipping my Samurai and it’s lid too.

Sean P. Holman (30m 25s):

But when the opening scene is basically a Tacoma pulling up and it’s from a, a drone to this I Mean, it looks like, it doesn’t look like the Desert. It looks like it’s a landfill. It’s that bad. And Arizona, you guys have a You know unique problem as well because a lot of the migrants coming over the border leave a lot of trash behind too. And so it’s, it’s hard to keep up with all that and, and it’s sad to see how bad just in the opening shots You know of. It’s almost like you feel, so it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 58s):

Paints pretty bleak. Look at

Sean P. Holman (31m 0s):

It. You, you feel dejected like this beautiful landscape and there’s just pile I Mean. It’s not like, oh here’s a guy was camping here and there’s some bottles and some beer cans and you know, some foil. It looks like a landfill and you just, it’s sad because you don’t wanna see that out there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 14s):

So this documentary is on YouTube, is that correct?

Sean P. Holman (31m 16s):

Yeah, it’s on

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 16s):

YouTube. Okay. And that’s called From The Ground Up Keeping The Desert Clean. If you go

Sean P. Holman (31m 20s):

To the 3 0 3 products account on YouTube, you can find it. It just over 48 minutes long and it, again, it’s really beautifully shot. So just a lot of, a lot of love went into really getting the point across of just what it’s like and the before and after I Mean. It’s, it’s incredible to see what an impact you guys made in such a short amount of time.

8 (31m 42s):

Yeah, we appreciate it. No, and it’s, and it’s been great too because it’s not like that was the, the end of the relationship between Keep Our Desert Clean and Gold Eagle You know, I’m, I’m going out with, with Tbar Desert Clean and I’m, I’m gonna be setting up at the Gold Eagle, the stable 3 0 3 booth at Overland Expo Mountain West. And that’s, that’s just stuff that without Matt and his team and Gold Eagle wouldn’t be possible for us just because without guys like him taking up our cause we just couldn’t afford stuff like that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 14s):

To get involved. One more time, you guys need to go to Keep Our Desert Clean. That’s Keep Our Desert Clean dot com. You can donate. It’s got the, the dates for the upcoming events that you can be part of and that that is open to everyone. Correct. I assume it’s not just friends of the group or you don’t have to be part of a, like a truck club. It’s a Tacoma Club.

8 (32m 33s):

Yep. Op open to everyone. And the vast majority of our cleanups are two Wheel Drive friendly or they’re similar to park your two Wheel Drive car and you can ride with anybody else and hang out with anybody else. So usually the cleanup start about 8:00 AM that’s when, so my, my firm Arizona offered attorneys handles all the sign in and registration Dylan and the rest of the guys that Keep, Our, Desert Clean, we provide all of the supplies, all the water, everything like that. And generally we pres scout the areas. So we’ll have You know real maps, You know out to the different areas where there’s big trash because that’s the stuff people always want to pick up or You know the tires, the boats, the refrigerator, stuff like that.

Sean P. Holman (33m 11s):

Well yeah, because there’s a picture of you in the Suzuki Samurai towing a boat with a toast trap from wherever it came from to the site. And it’s like, that actually looks like fun.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 21s):

That might be kind of cool. Yeah,

8 (33m 22s):

It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s tons of fun. And then You know, usually we, we do the cleanup until about noon. We, we try and always have lunch provided and usually one of our great sponsors, we’ll actually come out either in a food truck or, or with catering, things like that. So it’s usually pretty good lunch. And then generally we ask to have all the supplies returned by about two o’clock and then myself and the rest of the board members and, and our close friends kind of hang out until, until the site is clean and make sure that we left it better than we came.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 54s):

Very cool, very cool. Thank you guys, honestly, on behalf of the community, that is, it’s really neat. Yes. Holman, I was gonna

Sean P. Holman (33m 60s):

Ask, how do you guys choose the area? Do you have a way for people to get in touch with you and say, Hey, this favorite wheeling spot in Arizona needs attention? Or is it something where you guys kind of have s a a few places on the map that are well known or well traveled and you know that there’s trash there?

8 (34m 16s):

A little bit of both. And that’s actually something we’re working really hard on right now is kind of a trail ambassador program to where when people are actually out there wheeling or, or sightseeing or doing whatever they’re doing, if they see areas that are in need of help to be able to contact us or to get with our trail ambassadors so that they can go scout it and make sure that You know it’s, it’s somewhere that we can do a full day, full scale cleanup and otherwise, You know, we do try and throw in a couple small cleanups throughout the year. There’s a camping trailer that’s been parked up in one place forever. So we’ll send, you know, a few people out there with the right tools to get that kind of thing out.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (34m 54s):

What’s your geographic footprint? I mean you just, within Arizona, are you coming out to SoCal? Are you going You know West further out of Arizona? Like where, where are you willing to travel?

8 (35m 5s):

Right now we’re mostly in Arizona. We, we’ve gotten as far north as Flagstaff and, and as far south as kind of Florence Junction area, but we’re, we’re willing to travel anywhere where needed. So You know, it’s, it’s really becomes a question of funding and and that’s the the biggest thing. and I think that’s probably the biggest thing with any of these kind of groups is, is that in order for us to be able to get out there and do these things, we need those sponsors or those individuals to donate so that we can travel there, that we can send people there, whatever we need to do to make sure that we can clean up areas outside of Arizona that need our help as well.

Sean P. Holman (35m 42s):

And right there on keep our deserts is a donate link so you can do that. And then what’s the way for somebody to get in touch with you? Maybe there’s somebody who says, Hey I know a spot of the Desert either in Arizona or not, that needs to be clean. We’ve got funding at my company to help do that, but we don’t really know how to put it together. How would they reach out to you guys and see if that’s something that you would be willing to partner up in? Because I know we’ve got a lot of listeners who are probably thinking of a place they have in mind right now.

8 (36m 10s):

Yeah, the best way right now is to email us at info at Keep Our Desert, which can also reach out to us on Facebook or Instagram as well. And we are very, very responsive. So if you send us a message, you are definitely gonna get a response.

Sean P. Holman (36m 24s):

Awesome. Perfect.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 26s):

So I, I feel like we now we need to segue into products, right? Well I was just,

Sean P. Holman (36m 30s):

I well I’ve got my bench made in my, my hand here. It’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 33s):

Not to stab me with

Sean P. Holman (36m 34s):

No, this was to pull the cellophane packing tape off these mystery Boxes. ’cause I wanted to go through it and see what, what kind of goodies we were, we were sent. Okay,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 41s):

So while you get the box, I’m gonna clean up the table and I’m also gonna ask Matt about the best thing ever, the US Lawnmower Racing Association and the fact that Gold Eagle is a major sponsor.

Sean P. Holman (36m 54s):

Hold on a sec. Just I know this is audio and you can’t really hear it, but this, I’m gonna put the microphone. This is the box. I’m gonna put it on our podcast table. Wait, Hold

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 3s):

On. Okay. Oh my. Wait, Oh, dude, you almost collapsed the table with this thing. What’s in there? Hold on? I don’t know. Let’s see. Well, so as you’re opening it again, Matt, tell me about this. I am now my new obsession is the US Lawnmower Racing Association. I clicked on the link on the site on the Gold site. and I and I fell in love with everyone that races stable sponsored lawnmowers. That looks like I I’ve never seen it in California and I feel so ripped off.

9 (37m 34s):

Yeah, it’s, it’s a, it’s a heck of a thing to see I Mean. It’s all, it’s all over mostly the south at this point, but it’s, we founded it over 25 years ago or helped found it over 25 years ago. And I, Mean, these guys will put a heck of a lot of engineering in different levels of lawnmower. My personal favorite is like, I forget what they call it, it’s like the unlimited class where it’s a stretch. Like basically these guys will build a full on race go-kart and they take a little piece of an original lawnmower frame and they kinda weld it to the side of the, of the go-kart. And they call it a lawnmower and they, they just rip.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 6s):

Tell me, tell me that there are guys with twin turbos or they’re running like methanol injections, stuff

Sean P. Holman (38m 12s):

Like that. Nos baby

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 12s):

Noss. Oh, nitrous. No, no, no. Nitrous doesn’t last long enough. You’d be, you know, if they’re doing a bunch of laps and

Sean P. Holman (38m 18s):

You a hundred cc or 50, was it 49 cc lawnmower motor?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 22s):

I don’t know. Do they, are these guys retrofitting, like LSS is into them? What are they doing?

9 (38m 26s):

Well the, the one that you will I mean, you can look it up on YouTube. It’s the, the world’s fastest lawnmower. It’s a, it’s a Briggs and Strat and VT twin with a regular normal thing Snapper transfer case transmission. And it ran I think 96.8 on the Bonneville salt class.

Sean P. Holman (38m 43s):

Some somebody has, I’ve seen that before because people send me that in my Instagram reels. ’cause there’s like, there’s pictures of it racing and I always get it because people are like, Hey Holden, do you gotta check out this lawnmower?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 54s):

So let’s get into what is in the box? What’s in the box, what’s in the box?

10 (38m 60s):

Can you guess? Can you guess, can you guess the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 5s):

Thing? All, right? What is in the box? All right

Sean P. Holman (39m 8s):

For 3 0 3 I have a round bucket shaped object that has a lid on it that’s full of product.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 16s):


Sean P. Holman (39m 17s):

You guess,

10 (39m 18s):

Can you guess, can you guess the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 22s):

Thing? All, right? So the top is, what does it say? I can’t, well who’s it from? First of all, I assume it’s 3 0 3.

Sean P. Holman (39m 27s):

So they’ve got, yeah. Is it Staple Hold on Here we go, I’m gonna pull it out.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 29s):

So Matt, what are the companies that Gold Eagle owns? I guess it’s 3 0 3 stable and

Sean P. Holman (39m 37s):

1 0 4, right?

9 (39m 39s):

1 0 4. Heat, gasoline antifreeze, Aluma Seal. We’ve got a few other brands and then we do private label for like OEM manufacturers too. Gotcha.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 48s):

All right. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (39m 49s):

The first bag that came out is a bright orange 3 0 3 ultra plush microfiber towels. And these things are awesome.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 55s):

Okay. Oh wow. I’ll take those.

Sean P. Holman (39m 57s):

These will be perfect for R Expel.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 0s):

Oh, oh, oh yes. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (40m 2s):

All right? Got a 3 0 3 Wash MIT perfect All right. Got stable corrosion inhibitor. Rust stopper All. right. And and Matt, feel free to stop us at any time if there’s anything that we come across that you want to talk more about. This

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 15s):

Website now the, the, the rust stopper. I saw this on the website. This is for raw metal. Like if I’ve just welded something or is this for like lawn furniture? Where, where’s the best use case for this

9 (40m 27s):

Best use case? I Mean. It’s really I Mean. Anything that’s gonna rust I Mean where people use it a lot is not bare metal. So let’s think the best one’s like a trailer hitch where people always get that thing stuck in there because they don’t take it out all the time. Like that’s an obviously use case. We get a ton of people super excited about it. Like at the outdoor power equipment show, like everyone who’s got trailers, my personal favorite being in the Midwest is hitting the backside of the fenders of my pickup truck to make sure I don’t get the bubbles over my rear Wheel. Those types of things. It’s a preventative but also it stops it from spreading. If you have rust,

8 (40m 57s):

It’s really good. On the underside of a lawnmower deck, all the grass clippings kind of fall off.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 2s):

Oh I’ll take that and give it to my wife since she does the lawn All. right. That’s crazy.

Sean P. Holman (41m 9s):

But true. Classic stable This is a 360 protection ethanol treatment and stabilizer. Gimme,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 14s):

Gimme, gimme

9 (41m 15s):

That. That’s an important one. ’cause people don’t realize like almost all the fuel you buy has ethanol in it and you can go bad in as little as 30 days. Like that’s, that’s a big one for people to learn. Like hey I should use this if I think my car is gonna sit for a little bit of time. Or if it’s like your lawn equipment that has issues with ethanol blended fuel or like carbureted cars

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 32s):

Or trucks. Can I ask a dumb question? How long is this good for? The 360 protection from stable meaning

9 (41m 40s):

The AC actual liquid? Like in the bottle?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 43s):

Well, no, no Meaning like if

Sean P. Holman (41m 45s):

You add it to your tank, how long is the shelf life gonna now be of the gas that’s sitting in your tank?

9 (41m 49s):

It it stabilizes like all fuel EE zero. So no ethanol through 85 for at least a year. Oh wow. And we do tons of third party testing to validate that.

Sean P. Holman (41m 59s):

Wow. Okay. All right now we’re getting into some of the car care products. Okay. So I’ve got the Slick Shine ceramic detailer. This has the SIO O2 and Car Cara Caruba. Yep. Carouba formula. This is like a ceramic spray.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 15s):

Now let me ask you this because I know 3 0 3 is is expert in, in ceramic products. There’s some snake oil on the market. Can you speak to that? Like there are guys that will make quote unquote ceramic products with very little of the, is it silica or whatever the material is that’s in it?

9 (42m 32s):

Yeah, there I Mean. There’s lots of things out there and there’s lots of different people who don’t make their own products. They just slap a label on it. I, Mean. There’s tons of different things out there. The one thing that I think differentiates us is that we make our own products and we have our own r and d lab. We make everything ourselves. So if you go to our office of Chicago in some cases we make the bottles, we do the blending, we do the formulating and we do the marketing all out of basically one building. Nothing we make is gonna be snake oil I know how else to describe it. ’cause I don’t wanna bad mouth anyone out there, but there’s a lot of people who don’t hold up to their end of the bargain, let’s say on

Sean P. Holman (43m 4s):

Their planes. Let’s just say you have ultimate control over the quality of your product because you make it yourself. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 9s):

You’ve got chemists in-house pretty much, right? Yeah. Which is good ’cause other, there’s a lot of marketing companies that just happen to have products. You’re a product company that happens to have a marketing department. It’s the other way around. You got

Sean P. Holman (43m 19s):

The 3 0 3 Wheel and tire cleaners for brake dust tire browning. This is the form spray on forming foaming formula.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 26s):

Okay. And guys, where the heck did 3 0 3 come from? Because 3 0 3 is a Colorado area code. It’s not Chicago. Well

Sean P. Holman (43m 33s):

What makes you think it’s area code based?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 35s):

’cause it’s 3 0 3 is a band. 3 0 3 is like You know it was like 6 1 9 7 1 4 9 4 9. What

Sean P. Holman (43m 40s):

Was the founder’s favorite number?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 41s):

2 1 3 Maybe

Sean P. Holman (43m 42s):

He hit, was it 3 0 3 on black one day and he became a billionaire.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 45s):

I have a feeling Matt’s going to tell us

9 (43m 48s):

It’s, it’s off the, one of the patent drawings. So the original owner of the company was in the aeronautical industry. I think it was more on the propeller side of it. But one of the things they were working on was like the de-icing boots on the wings, the rubber de-icing boots. I guess they have an issue with them cracking. So as they were going through this, they developed this formula to protect it because everything else they tried would streak down the wings or it wouldn’t last. So they developed it and it was on, it was part of the one patent they were working on, which was 3 0 3. So he just ran with that and he grew the company for like 30 years until we actually acquired it from him in 2012. So he was a family run company, ran it outta his garage and he wanted to sell it to another family run company.

9 (44m 27s):

So that’s how we ended up with it.

Sean P. Holman (44m 29s):

Are you guys still a family run company today?

9 (44m 32s):

We are a third generation family run company right now. Yep.

Sean P. Holman (44m 35s):

Wow. Good for you guys. Congratulations on being a, not only a manufacturing company that’s family owned but also a chemical company that’s family owned. That’s by no small feat the way of the world today with so many regulations it it takes a lot of capital to be able to do what you guys are doing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 50s):

Yeah, well they’re not in California. They couldn’t do what they’re doing. They’re in Illinois. Exactly. Whoa, you’re right. Oh yeah, good point in We’re in

9 (44m 56s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 57s):

So Yeah. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (44m 58s):

So it’s pretty much like California where we are.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 59s):

How many times have you guys had to fend off investment capital? Like everyone’s getting purchased

Sean P. Holman (45m 5s):

Everybody in

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 5s):

Automotive. Oh my gosh.

9 (45m 6s):

Yeah. The, if you go to the, any of the big auto parts stores, the auto zone advance, you look at that shelf, it’s, there’s not many not many actual people who own those brands, but we get calls all the time. But they’re, they have set up that they want to be a family run company. And that’s actually how a lot of our acquisitions come in, because people don’t wanna sell their companies or their brands to people that the big private equity, they don’t like what happens to it. So it’s kind of helped us.

Sean P. Holman (45m 30s):

Next bottle pulling out of the mystery bucket is the 3 0 3 all service interior cleaner. So Lightning, I’m gonna hand this across, over to you. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 37s):

That is for my wife. For

Sean P. Holman (45m 40s):

Her Volkswagen Atlas. For for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 41s):

Her atlas. Because we have a dog. Yes. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (45m 46s):

Let’s see. The, this, that is the cleaner. This is the protectant interior exterior with UV protection.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 51s):

This has gotta be really exciting for Ted.

9 (45m 55s):

Ted’s used all these products already. Oh, I’m

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 57s):

Sure. I

8 (45m 58s):

I use every, every last one of ’em that, that UV protectant my tundra. It’s got You know whatever that fake Toyota leather and stuff is in it. I just use that. I just, I just use that protectant on a microfiber on every surface in that thing. What

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 12s):

Is your, that’s All, right? So Ted, what is your favorite 3 0 3 product out of all of them? And I’m sure you have a garage full.

8 (46m 19s):

I’ve, I’ve got a tie between the UV protectant because it actually, I, I use it on every I Mean. I use it on lawn furniture. I use it on

Sean P. Holman (46m 26s):

Everything. Especially being in Arizona.

8 (46m 27s):

Yep, absolutely. But that and, and the foaming tire shine, that stuff is the best tire shine bar none. You will not find a better tire shine to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 37s):

That effect. Ted, some tires shines, don’t remove the dirt, they just cake on. So it becomes like a gelatinous goo.

Sean P. Holman (46m 46s):

Some of ’em are super shiny and a lot of us truck guys want the shine and cleanliness to get the brown off, but we don’t wanna have like a mere finish on our black rubber.

8 (46m 55s):

So that, that’s gonna be the, the, the rubber cleaner. That’s a different product, but it works very well. Okay. So they also, they’ve also got a, basically a rubber stripper cleaner. And that if, if I take it out there and I and I brush it on You know even with the hand brush on the tires. And it works really good on bed mats too.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 12s):

Oh yeah.

8 (47m 14s):

It’s, it, it’s just awesome.

Sean P. Holman (47m 16s):

All right. Next product out of the mystery bucket is the spray and rinse ceramic sealant.

9 (47m 22s):

That one’s a standout I think for people who don’t like to actually like wax their car, but they want it to feed water. ’cause that’s like, you wash your car while it’s still wet. You spray it on, you rinse it off, and it’ll go from no water beads to beating water like crazy. Wait

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 34s):

A minute. While the car’s still wet.

9 (47m 36s):

Yeah. So you wash your car just to get the dirt off? Yeah. You spray this product on there and then you rinse it off and it’ll go from no water beads, like no protection to beating water like crazy. And then you really should dry it with a towel just so you don’t get water spots. But it’s,

Sean P. Holman (47m 50s):

I’m gonna use that on my no work at all. My wife’s Grand Cherokee because she parks outside. Yeah. And it’s the daily driver, but it’s a really nice car. That would be perfect for her.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 58s):

But wait, so this displaces water. You’re putting it on wet, which I’m tripping on. Like that’s, normally you have to have the car dry and then you spray it and then the, the solution hardens and you wipe off the film. This is not the case. That’s interesting.

9 (48m 13s):

Yeah, it’s, it’s actually a water activated silica. So it’s in, it’s in that ceramic family. Very

Sean P. Holman (48m 18s):

Cool. So I got one for you. Lightning. This one is you’re all about, it may not be.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 22s):

Is this for my new riding lawnmower? No, no, no. That I’m gonna

Sean P. Holman (48m 25s):

To tono cover and convertible top cleaner. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 28s):

Okay. Got

Sean P. Holman (48m 29s):

It. So usually Tono covers get completely roached after a couple years, especially the ones that come from the OE and, and everybody knows how hard it is to clean a soft top. Although your convertible hard

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 39s):

Top Yes, mine is. But

Sean P. Holman (48m 41s):

You could use it on your tono on the TR Rx.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 43s):

Yep. EGR cover. Okay. Got it. And then you’ve got my Is is this a bottomless bucket? What’s happening

Sean P. Holman (48m 48s):

Over there? Yes. There’s so more stuff in here. Okay. Like the ultra concentrated car wash. Well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 53s):

You’re, you’re gonna are you’re gonna take any of these? This is all me. I

Sean P. Holman (48m 55s):

Have another box. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 56s):

There’s two? Yes. Oh, there’s two buckets.

Sean P. Holman (48m 58s):

No, I Mean. Yeah. I’ll take some of these.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 60s):

This is great. I love it. Keep it coming. All. right.

Sean P. Holman (49m 3s):

And then my personal favorite, this is the business right here. The 3 0 3 rubber seal protectant,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 8s):

Excuse me. It’s bizness is

Sean P. Holman (49m 10s):

What you say that that’s what I use on all the Jeep weather stripping. And that’s what I’ve been using. The number 1 3 0 3 product that I’ve used for at least a decade is that product right there. The foaming applicator.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 21s):

So the Mercedes, the, obviously the oh two applications, one on the TRX and one on the Mercedes So I bought this really expensive, like, it’s called like gummy lube, or I don’t even know, it had a, it was all German. I couldn’t read any of it. It was just like GU m I gummy lube or something. Right. And it had the same foam applicator of this 3 0 3 rubber sealant protectant. It was in a, like a squeeze tube, like a toothpaste deal. Right. I went through pretty quick, put it around all the door jams. Yep. So there’s no squeaking. Yeah. Put it around the, the convertible top and I ran out before I could put it on the TRX sunroof.

Sean P. Holman (49m 55s):

But here’s the, here’s the difference. You’re talking about putting a gelatinous goo on it. Yeah. This evaporates, this moisturizes the seals, it cleans it, and then it leaves a slick dry surface behind it. And so you don’t have to worry about it attracting dust. There’s a lot of weather stripping and rubber cleaners out there that leave a film behind it. When you’re jeeping, the last thing you want to do is add more stuff to your Jeep that’s gonna attract dirt to it. Right. That’s why this stuff is so great, because it cleans and it moisturizes all the rubber seals. Keeps ’em pliable, but it soaks into the rubber and then it’s gone. It’s not, there’s no mess that’s sitting on top of it, which is why I like it so much. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 29s):

Protects and conditions rubber seals on doors, windows, hoods, and trunks. Boom

8 (50m 35s):

Boom. And, and in between those foam applicator applications, you can use the UV protectant and it keeps it clean and not greasy until the next time. Perfect.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 44s):

Oh my gosh. Perfect.

Sean P. Holman (50m 46s):

All right? The mystery bucket still has one last product.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 48s):

Okay, well, I do wanna say that you can go to gold and then you guys eject a lot of people I see to Amazon. Is that your main distribution channel or should we buy it somewhere? Where’s your preferred spot?

9 (50m 60s):

Amazon has everything I mean you get, that’s the easiest place for most people. Like the protectant, the UV protecting, that’s our signature. I you can get that anywhere. AutoZone, advanced Rise, they have that, and then after that it’s kind of hit or miss. So if you wanna look at for something and you wanna know what’s there, Amazon’s the best place.

Sean P. Holman (51m 15s):

Some people go to restaurants and they’re like meatloaf people. And so they, they go around the country. I know they have to have a meatloaf from every restaurant,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 23s):

Right? Yeah. Yeah. My grandfather was like that. Right? He never understood meatloaf. And

Sean P. Holman (51m 26s):

Then some people are You know, like You know car polished. They have 4,000 waxes and they’re gonna try all of ’em. Okay. Okay. Well that’s me with CLP gun cleaner. And check this out. Stable. Stable.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 38s):

Look at that. Wait, do that again. Ready? 1, 2, 3, stable. That was, yeah, check it out.

Sean P. Holman (51m 42s):

Yeah, that was horrible. Let’s not do that again. So you guys have your own brand of gun, CLP, which is awesome for those of us who are firearm owners who like to have clean, slick slides.

9 (51m 53s):

There’s a few people in the office that were pretty, pretty passionate about their firearms. We decided we would develop something to work with that. And so far the reception’s been good.

Sean P. Holman (52m 1s):

No, this, this is awesome. And made in the U s a, which I’m guessing all these products are, you’ve got it right here on the label. I’m excited to use this. In fact, I’m, I’m going shooting tomorrow and after this podcast, I was gonna go in just do a field strip of my guns. I’m taking tomorrow So I have a new CLP do tryout. Nice. So I’m very excited about that. Hey

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 20s):

Matt, do you guys ever offer tours of the lab? Is it open to the public or Two guys named Holman and Lightning?

9 (52m 27s):

If you guys are in town, I would suggest lining up when we do one of our cars and coffee. But yeah, we do, we do tours when it’s like special occasions, but usually we plan it around our cars and coffee that we have like three to four times a year over the summer. Okay. So it works out pretty well. We get people from the Chicago area into our office and our plant.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 43s):

We just love geeking out on the science. We love laboratories. I know it sounds odd to see how it’s formulated and see the, as Holman says, the backside of water.

Sean P. Holman (52m 51s):

We just like to see how it works and how it’s made. But anytime we get an opportunity to go behind the scenes and, and, and share that with our listeners or just be selfish and keep it to ourselves, we enjoy that.

9 (53m 3s):

Well, if you’re ever in Chicago, give us a call. You can always stop by. We’re we’re there every day. Everyone loves that, right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 9s):


8 (53m 10s):

Yeah. If you’re ever, if you’re ever in Arizona and want to go wheeling, man, lemme know.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 13s):

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. We almost blew past that. So Hold on a second. Ted Ted. You, you roll a a tundra what year?

8 (53m 21s):

It’s a 21 Tundra TRD pro. And it, it pulls my rock lizard 2.0 chassis, two buggy that’s on a Samurai and FJ 80 kinda hybridized drive train.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 36s):

Sweet. Nice. Are you, are you itching to get the new three five twin turbo tundra?

8 (53m 43s):

I am not. What I’m really itching for is a threequarter ton Diesel that Toyota decided was not in the cards for the United States.

Sean P. Holman (53m 53s):

Yep. So, yep, that is true. That

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 55s):

Could happen. Okay. No, that’s, that’s true. So you’re not gonna get it. Will you go to a Threequarter one ton four GM RAM product? What’s your thoughts there?

8 (54m 3s):

It’s hard I Mean. It’s been a really long time since I’ve looked at a domestic truck, to be honest. But I think as it stands right now, a a an F two 50 King Ranch is pretty high up there on, on the list.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 17s):

Solid choice.

Sean P. Holman (54m 17s):

Solid. As I say, he has good taste. Solid.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 19s):

Yes. Well, if you get a 23 they 1200 pound feet of torque, there’s nothing that thing won’t pull including a tree out of the ground. It’s bonkers. I had a, a 23 couple weeks back, maybe a month or so ago from CJC off road here in Southern California. They do a lot of Carly lifts and such, and I borrowed theirs for about a week. and I my daily is a TRX. and I’m not joking that the 60 to 80 feels the same in, in those two trucks and they’re so wildly different be there’s so much torque in that F two 50. It’s absurd. It just, it’s it’s mind blowing.

8 (54m 53s):

Tor torque’s crazy, man. My, my wife’s got a, a Volvo all Wheel drive electric SUV and it’s got like 400 foot pounced of torque. But the second you hit the gas, it’s all there.

9 (55m 4s):


8 (55m 5s):

So it’s

Sean P. Holman (55m 6s):

Wild. I’ve got a 23 regular 3 92 and after a string of regular jls and jks with the three six and three eight. This is, this is quite a lot of fun.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 19s):

Now it’s coming around to Matt. Matt, what? Are you rolling?

9 (55m 23s):

What am I rolling truck wise? I have a 2015 Ram that’s tuned, but my, my project’s my Fox body Mustang convertible. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (55m 32s):

What year?

9 (55m 33s):

It’s an 88 gt.

Sean P. Holman (55m 35s):

Do you have the cheese grater lights and the body kit on it?

9 (55m 38s):

Oh, it still has a cheese grater lights and I. Love it. The only thing, I don’t, I don’t have the turbans anymore. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (55m 43s):

The turbans were so great. Four lug or five lug car.

9 (55m 47s):

It’s four lug with ponies on now. Yes.

Sean P. Holman (55m 49s):

Solid. That’s, that’s okay in my book right there. I’m, I’m, I’m down.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 54s):

So when you go to Arizona and you’re hanging out with Ted, what are you, what are you wheeling down there? You’re not driving the whole way, are you?

Sean P. Holman (55m 59s):

This is a Mustang.

9 (56m 1s):

I, I’m, I’m wheeling a rental car over at Ted’s house and making Ted drive me around.

Sean P. Holman (56m 6s):

I think that, I think that makes senses fair. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 8s):

Fair. That’s, that’s fair. Okay. All right. You guys are the best. Thank you for carving out time for us and congrats on the success on both sides. And hopefully we’re never staring at the wrong side of his lawyer ness. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (56m 19s):

I was gonna say right. We didn’t really go down that road, but we know if we need a lawyer, we have one now. So I don’t know. We we have the name, the name of one anyway. Yeah,

8 (56m 27s):

We’ll take good care here

Sean P. Holman (56m 28s):

All. right? Appreciate it. Thanks for the product too. And, and we can’t wait to try it out. But like I said, I’ve been a longtime user of the, of the 3 0 3 rubber seal protectant. I love that product. So. I’m excited to try some of the other stuff that you guys have. So thanks again for sending that out to us. All. right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 42s):

You guys do the best. Thank you.

8 (56m 44s):

Thanks guys, guys have good

Sean P. Holman (56m 45s):

Night. You too. Bye bye.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 49s):

All, right Holman. It’s truck news time.

2 (56m 52s):

Taste the biscuit wrong.

Sean P. Holman (56m 54s):


2 (56m 54s):

Intro. Goodness.

Sean P. Holman (56m 56s):

That’s not the right one’s the wrong intro. Are you sure? I am a hundred times

2 (56m 59s):

Taste the honey sauce.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 1s):

It’s not the

Sean P. Holman (57m 1s):

Honey sauce. No, that’s not that.

11 (57m 4s):

What’s new in trucks?

12 (57m 6s):

We need to know

11 (57m 7s):

What’s new in trucks.

12 (57m 9s):

We need to know

11 (57m 10s):

What’s new in trucks.

12 (57m 12s):

We need to know

5 (57m 13s):

Lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 19s):


Sean P. Holman (57m 20s):

So lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 22s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (57m 24s):

Nissan dropped a little teaser teaser about a certain new frontier model. It showed a Nissan hard body in the background and what appears to be a production version of the concept. Nissan Hard Body Frontier in the foreground. What?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 42s):

And it says

Sean P. Holman (57m 45s):

The next chapter of the Nissan hard body story begins. So not a lot of info in this one, but if we go off the concept and from what we can see in the photos, it stays very true to the concept. It’s got the blacked out front fascia on it, the blacked out grill. And the concept was built on a Ssv chassis and not a pro four X, but it was a four by four. And basically it was a more entry level kind of nod to retro four by fours. So a little bit more affordable than a pro four X, but with a ton of that retro eighties, nineties vibe. The concept had that try monoblock Wheel on it.

Sean P. Holman (58m 26s):

They’re not showing the Wheel in this teaser. I freaking hope it makes it to production because it’s not a hard body without that Wheel. Without the Wheel. Yeah. Need to do it So. anyway, a debut on September 14th, so that’ll just be a few days after this episode airs. We will have some more info for you on the next episode. But I’m super excited. I think the hard body’s gonna be a pretty rad little truck for people. And I would totally rock one think if it’s everything we think it is. I think we,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 51s):

I got a winner. I think we have a winner.

Sean P. Holman (58m 53s):

I think we have a winner too. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 56s):

No, no.

Sean P. Holman (58m 57s):

A Jeep just sold its 5000000th Wrangler as the 2024 models have reached the dealership. So that’s pretty crazy. 5 million for one brand or, or make I guess

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 10s):

A $5 million Wrangler is I think a little spendy.

Sean P. Holman (59m 14s):

5 million produced.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 15s):

Oh 5 million Wranglers

Sean P. Holman (59m 17s):

Made 5 million wranglers out there in the world. I don’t know where that lands in the all timeless, but it’s gotta be You know pretty high up there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 24s):

What is that per year? Any idea?

Sean P. Holman (59m 27s):

All? right? So. I am gonna pull up the, the Wikipedia here. The, the top hit the top bestselling cars of all time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 34s):

The top the bestselling cars of all time. The number one, number

14 (59m 38s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 39s):

Number. I don’t know what

Sean P. Holman (59m 41s):

Most recent list that I could find says that it is. In fact the Toyota Corolla with over 50 million sold Corolla. So, I’m guessing the Wrangler’s not in the top, the top 10 of that list. The next one would be the Ford F Series with over 41 million Volkswagen golf. 35 million. Ah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 60s):

I wouldn’t even have considered the

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 1s):

Golf Honda Civic. 24 million. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 4s):

Small car.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 5s):

Volkswagen Passat. 23 million. Okay. They’re Volkswagen here though. Bele. 21 million. This is worldwide, right? Volkswagen really is the people’s car. If you go off this list, this is worldwide.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 11s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 12s):

Yeah. Opal V. Yeah. So is the Wrangler Volvo, Opal vha Corsa 18 million. The Lata Classic, I think the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 19s):

Russian. I’m rocking the Lata. Yep.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 21s):

Yep. 17 million Ford Fiesta 16.5. The model T 16.5 million. The

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 26s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 27s):

T, model T is on the list. B BMW three series 16 million. So that’s kind of cool. So really the only truck on that whole list is the Ford F Series,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 35s):

But they’re combining Ford F 2 53 50. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 38s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 38s):

Whatever. But that’s all, those are different trucks. That’s not even fair.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 41s):

What is it? Why are you so obtuse? Because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 43s):

The Corolla is one. It’s, it’s the Corolla.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 45s):

They’re counting all Corollas ever made

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 48s):

I know, but they can’t, they’re counting all F1

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 49s):

Generation is not the same as the next generation’s. Not the same as the next generation, it’s just the name plate. So why does it, why does your argument even hold water in this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 57s):

Case? Whatever. Move on. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 58s):

Come on, explain this to me

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 60s):

Because I feel like the, the F Sears are so different in Corollas. Yeah. They have two door, four door, but they’re, it’s still a

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 6s):

Corolla. Okay. BM BMW three series. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 8s):

Two door, four door, that’s it. Wagon fine. Convertible shooting break, whatever. I get it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 15s):

So you’re once again, lightning’s argument doesn’t hold water. Oh my God. Lightning.

14 (1h 1m 19s):

Oh no. Yeah. Oh no. I know. Oh no. Although it’s kind of so bad that it’s good in a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 26s):

Way. Yeah, no, yeah. No, it’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 28s):

Not moving right along. Lightning, did you hear what?

14 (1h 1m 31s):