Mike Finnegan returns to the show seeking advice on a new truck. The crew discusses his recent escapades, explores the reason behind his temporary inability to drive a manual transmission, and contemplates another culinary enigma. Proudly sponsored by Nissan in association with Banks Power, this is The Truck Show Podcast.



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Intro (4s):

Lesson is don’t stop when you’re in silt sand. Don’t try and get the hero shot. Don’t stop. Keep going off. Run. You keep going. Full sand. First time dude. First time there’s gonna be some feeling out periods. We’re all starving now. All, right? That sucked. We got our asses kicked and it’s finally time to go home with our tail between our legs. I thought, you know what? Let’s get the out of the desert. But you know what? One more cool shot we’re out here. Why not? What’s the worst that can happen?

Sean P. Holman (37s):

All. right? So. I have a a saying for that. Yep. Why do one more when you do too many TRX racing through the Southern California Desert.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54s):


Sean P. Holman (55s):

And then beautiful, beautiful drone shot. Alright. Oh, no doing donuts. Oh,

SOS Voice (1m 9s):

Start the emergency call to the SOS service provided by the manufacturer. To cancel press the SOS or cancel button

Sean P. Holman (1m 17s):

On its lid.

SOS Voice (1m 19s):

Starting SOS call

Sean P. Holman (1m 26s):

One Mr. Brandon Schaub scurrying out of his TRX. Yeah, that’s painful. Yeah. So ladies and gentlemen, we, we have seen the video. You don’t need to send it to us anymore. Thank You very much. Yeah. All all of you who did that? Thank you. Lightning and Holman It is The Truck. Show Podcast. Yeah. Quite a few of you sent us this video. So comedian YouTuber podcaster, Brian Shaw, former, not a race car off-Road driver though he admitted later that he should have just taken it out of Traction control and in the middle of trying to do a donut, it just hooked and sent him right over kind of high sided. It. That’s that’s not what that is, but okay. It’s not what it what, okay.

Sean P. Holman (2m 6s):

So when you basically flipped, like, you know that where I had the 3 92, the blue one on two wheels? Yes. Right. And they saved it. Yes. The, the reason that it does something, it’s not necessarily traction control. What It is, is when you have your diffs open, right? If you don’t have it locked, you stall out on power. So when you cut and the vehicle lifts, it sends the power to the outside wheels that are up in the air. And so now that the power, because they’re open diffs are not going to the ones on the ground, you’re, you’re just rolling on those and you can’t drive out of it. That’s how that happens. Ah, gotcha. And so it’s one of those things where he obviously got a TRX put everything on it, but he didn’t get a sense for driving the TRX stock to build up to what it was capable of.

Sean P. Holman (2m 54s):

Right. So he goes on in this video, these it’s Tune Town is this new YouTube channel tune town. and he goes on to say, look, I let everybody down because I got my Kibbie tech suspension, I got King, I got Wheels, tires, the, he got a tune, 1100 horsepower, all this stuff. And then he puts it on its lid and he apologizes. The other thing I wonder too is when you put the Kings on it and the body control module, like what, what are they turning off on the bi steins? Because the bi steins are integrated into the body. So, I have been told that it just lights up the dashboard and eventually goes away. See, I wonder if that has something to do with traction control and stuff too. Like it’s not sensing the suspension.

Sean P. Holman (3m 34s):

So it’s doing something weird because it doesn’t know what’s happening on the vehicle. ’cause that system with the Stein is so freaking integrated into the body modules and the ECM and all that stuff. And there’s also the jump detection and all that kind of stuff. It’s all part of the same system. So when you remove that, I’m super curious like what actually happens to the truck? Like what changes from a driving standpoint? I couldn’t, I couldn’t tell you and I won’t be able to tell you ’cause I’m not going to remove the bilstein from the truck that I still have because it didn’t get stolen. Although you tried, you bastar. Oh, I wouldn’t be cocky. They know where you live. I know they do.

Sean P. Holman (4m 14s):

And they might be listening to this podcast. My wife thinks that they are going to return. They might, I, I am happy to announce Lightning is getting an alarm system. So it will bark next time they break my rear window getting a dog. It’ll just make some noise and hopefully it’ll the dog or way the alarm system more on that later. I am excited to announce Ladies and Jens that Mr. Mike Finnegan is returning to this program. Yeah. And we’ve got some cool stuff to talk to him about. He and I were texting yesterday and he brought up some things. I’m like, stop. We’ll talk about that on the show. so we actually stopped communicating ’cause I’m like, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna ruin the magic. How many times have you and I done that? It’s like, no, no, I don’t wanna know that.

Sean P. Holman (4m 54s):

Tell, tell, tell me tomorrow. Yeah. On the show. Save it for the show. Well, as long as you’re announcing things, I have to announce that I, I made it through my, my weekend deal down in Kissimmee, Florida where Keystone Automotive, a huge distributor for aftermarket parts to jobbers and, and all that had their big show. And they invited me down to moderate their industry expert panel. And so the room had 1200 people in it. Oh, the mackerel. Yeah, we had a pretty year. Were you No stop. Yep. Were you nervous? Yeah, yeah, of course. 1200 people did it for about an hour and a half. And we had some industry heavy hitters.

Sean P. Holman (5m 35s):

We had Brad Aiken who owns Aiken Ford dealership in Winder, Georgia. So paint, paint this for me though. This is, this is what, six chairs up on a big stage. Five chairs on a, on a stage. So it’s a panel. Yep. Okay. And you are the moderator? Yep. And are you, do you have a list of questions or is it a free for all? Yep. Nope. It’s, I, I have a basically scripted program and then in the middle I’m on my own asking the questions as I see fit and something that, you know, worked with them on for a while. And yeah, so the president of Keystone invited me up on stage and there was buzz reels and music and live stream and cameras. It was great. I’m like, I thought it would be like a SEMA where I do a panel and there’s like a hundred people in the room and it’s sort of in intimate and you’re like, Hey, let’s ask some questions and stuff.

Sean P. Holman (6m 22s):

I, It is a full on production. Like I’m talking 20 foot screens on either side of the stage. So wait on, so you had teleprompters, teleprompters. There’s even a countdown clock. So I can keep track of time during it. There’s a, a Q and a. So anyway, Brad Aikens from Aikens Ford. I guess technically it’s Aikens Ford, Ram Chrysler, Jeep Dodge. Anyway, damn Winder Georgia, they are one of the biggest dealerships and then also have, I guess Wild Willies as their aftermarket arm. So it’s ba basically dealer that has a huge aftermarket side of it also, which is pretty rare. And then we had Steve Gilmore, who’s the chief designer for Ford Accessories. So I mean the, just, you know, no big deal.

Sean P. Holman (7m 2s):

Just a chief designer at Ford Motor Company. And then we had Mike Ola, president of SEMA, who you guys know from the show. And then the last person we had was Tony Aza, who is the Chief Growth Officer for Real Truck. And so as, as you know, real Truck used to be Truck Hero and now they’re like 38 brands they own Yeah, a ton of brands. And Tony’s background was, oh I don’t know, worked at Nike for like six years and then he was at Under Armour when they grew from 250 million in sales to a billion dollars in sales. Oh. And then he’s the guy that brought Carhartt B back and then now he’s at Real Truck. So the dude has, oh I don’t know, a little bit of a track record. Quite a LinkedIn page. Yeah, quite a LinkedIn page.

Sean P. Holman (7m 43s):

So basically talked about, it was actually really interesting if, if you guys are listening Kerry hear, I’ll get the audio. But it was basically talking about the interplay between the aftermarket and the oes. So a lot of shops and jobbers were there and the idea was, well you have Ford Raptors and Toyota Tier D Pros and you’ve got AV BS edition Chevys. What does that mean for the guy who’s installing aftermarket parts on trucks? Is the OE getting a little bit too close? Are they starting to take your lunch or does that leave opportunity on the bottom end for people to, who couldn’t afford the top trim levels to build something similar from the aftermarket? Or does that even extend the price of the truck even more? ’cause somebody with the top trim level as we know, perfect example of you, Brenda Shaw on a few seconds ago, put everything on a top of the line TRX.

Sean P. Holman (8m 31s):

So the idea was walking through that process and hearing four points of view. Somebody from the oe, somebody from a dealer, somebody from the industry, and somebody from a supplier of parts or manufacturer talking about their points of view of how the interplay is between OES and aftermarket So. it wass pretty cool. Did it get contentious where the guys’ like, you are eating our lunch? No, not really. Not really. There was a few q and As where there were some people who stood up and, and chew some, some cheers and, and stuff in the crowd. Asked some hard hitting questions about direct to consumer versus distribution and the availability of parts in that. But yeah, overall it was a great panel. I actually had a bunch of listeners actually come up and say, Hey, I love your show.

Sean P. Holman (9m 13s):

And several people came up to me and did they say, I love your work Lightning? No damn. I had people, it was funny, they, they put my picture everywhere. I was on like 50 posters throughout this huge resort. I see you had those A-frame signs sitting all over the convention all center. And so like I would be in an elevator and somebody would go, you’re the guy in the poster. Huh? You know, which is weird. I was at the bar, dude saw you on the poster. Can I buy you a beer? I’m like, All. right. Well if that got me a beer, I guess that’s cool. So it was super weird, but I had several people say that was the most informative hour that they had this year. Right. And So it was cool. It was a really good conversation. Congrats. Anyway. Yeah. Pretty, I would like you to track down that audio if it’s not a pain in the ass.

Sean P. Holman (9m 53s):

Yeah, I’ll, I’ll get it. So going back to Brandon Shaw who put his truck on the lid. What if someone’s looking for like a great learning experience vehicle? Oh, I’ve got the perfect one. If you’d like to learn how to drive your TRX, I’ll take you out in our Frontier Pro four X and teach you the ropes of off-Road driving before you get into something way over your head when to lock and unlock the rear diff We can do that. Okay. You know I’ve taken the frontier out and I’ve taught people how to use four Wheel drive and ski. Know this I did not to. No. Yeah, I’ve I’ve got several clients where I’ve taken people out and shown them how four Wheel drive works, what a tow hook is and skid plates and follow the leader and use different techniques on different obstacles and things like that.

Sean P. Holman (10m 35s):

Can, you teach me how to donut in it without putting it on its lid. You can lead a horse to water Lightning, but you can’t make him drink. Well, you know, sometimes he might, he might drown. Dude, you say that, but I’m, I’m a decent driver and I take, I take lessons. Well, okay, All, right? So I. Think you could teach me how to do some I I could do that. Some good donuts. We could, we could do that in the, in the Frontier Pro four x. So if you guys are in the market for a dependable, reliable, well built, awesome little pickup truck, you’ve gotta see our friends over at your local Nissan dealership because they have got the Nissan Frontier. Been driving one for a couple months now and absolutely love the truck. In fact took Graham McPherson from Go Fast campers and Mike Rice out to lunch today. And it.

Sean P. Holman (11m 14s):

And Graham’s like, This is the first time I’ve been in a frontier. He’s like, this thing’s pretty cool. Like how, how much is it? I’m like 45 grand. Everyone has that reaction. I know. They’re like, I had no idea. I just never thought about it before. And it’s, it’s a great truck. So if you wanna find out more about the frontier, head over to Nissan usa.com where you can build and price one, check out all the features and then of course they’ve got the Nissan Titan and Nissan Titan XD with the industry’s best five year, 100,000 mile warranty. And Holman, you probably didn’t know this when GM striked, you know, when the UAW the United Auto Workers were striking? Yeah. A lot of these stock parts that we used in the Banks upgrade kits vanished. One of which was the new 2020 GM oil cooler for the Durmax.

Sean P. Holman (11m 59s):

We have a retrofit kit for all the 2001 to 2019 Duramax. We start with a base oil cooler and we upgrade it and give you everything you need, including a Baldwin filter, which we have specked out. Well those, those base oil coolers disappeared as of today. They are back in stock. We have them. And if you want better oil cooling for your oh one to 19 durmax, head over to Banks Power dot com. More cooling. If you tow heavy, you know oil temps are the problem child. Head over to Banks Power dot com to find your Durmax oil cooler upgrade kit.

4 (12m 36s):

The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer What? The truck because Truck s The truck show. We have the Lifted, we have the lowered and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on Diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Whoa.

5 (13m 8s):

It’s the truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman.

Sean P. Holman (13m 14s):

You know what’s funny is you’re doing that and

4 (13m 16s):


Sean P. Holman (13m 17s):

I’m mocking you. I, yeah. I had So it, it’s for like five years. You did it And. it drove me crazy. And now, and I don’t do it and now I’m doing it. I had so many people come up to me and go, you and Lightning sound just alike. Really? Yeah. And I’m like, no, we don’t don don’t think So I don’t think so either. They’re like, yeah, sometimes they have trouble telling you apart. I’m like, oh, I’m the one that sounds smart. And then lightning’s the other guy. I’m I’m gonna say something that you said. We’ll say the same thing, right? I’m gonna take a drive down the 55 freeway. I’m gonna take a drive down the 55 freeway. No, don’t say it normal. You ready? I’m gonna take a drive down the 55 freeway. I’m, are you gonna change it in post and confuse people?

Sean P. Holman (13m 58s):

No, I’m not. Here we go. Okay. I’m gonna take a drive down the 55 freeway. I’m gonna take a drive down the 55 freeway. I mean we are similar sounding when we’re just, if if I’m not going high and I’m not going low, I’m just my regular voice. Are you like bows, bow, stereos? No highs and no lows, no bows. Yeah. Like I have a tendency when I get excited, everyone knows I get like way I like get 10 octaves up. Wow. But I can go down like this as well. You shouldn’t. Weird. Now what I what I don, when we talk normal, we sound sad. We’re similar. I’m on the other side of a table from you. ’cause that was a little, little creepy. Was it? Yeah. Yeah, baby. No, no. Hold on. I’m close. I thank God I’m close to the door. Alright, let’s, let’s stop this and let’s call our buddy Mike Finnegan.

Mike Finnegan (14m 50s):

Good evening.

Sean P. Holman (14m 52s):

Hello. Wow. Were, were you in a, a room full of pillows? Like what was that? Mike was in his closet That

Mike Finnegan (14m 59s):


Sean P. Holman (15m 1s):

Are you drunk? No, he is in his walk-in closet full of Dixon shirts.

Mike Finnegan (15m 5s):

No, I’m on the couch with a broken leg.

Sean P. Holman (15m 8s):

Wow. Wait, what? Okay, Hold on. We need to know about that. But just a second. Is this Mike Finnegan, president of Horsepower?

Mike Finnegan (15m 17s):

You know, three days ago? Yeah. Today.

Sean P. Holman (15m 20s):

All, right? Well you’re still truck Famous Hold on,

5 (15m 22s):

Here we go. Truck. Famous, hero star. VIP Ace, big wave. Hot shot truck. Famous Big shot. Big deal. Big gun, big cheese. Heavyweight superstar truck. Famous. That’s what you are.

Sean P. Holman (15m 37s):

And apparently he’s also broken. What the hell happened? Dude,

Mike Finnegan (15m 40s):

That intro never gets old.

Sean P. Holman (15m 44s):

You sound on like you’re on Vicodin. What’s going on with you? We’re gonna have fun, Mike.

Mike Finnegan (15m 49s):

No, I’m actually, I’m on nothing. I hate drugs and so I’m taking anything, which is probably a mistake.

Sean P. Holman (15m 57s):

So how did we find ourselves on the couch with a broken leg?

Mike Finnegan (16m 2s):

How much time you got?

Sean P. Holman (16m 4s):

Have have you ever heard our show? It’s like four hours long. All of it We have all the time for you. Anything. Okay,

Mike Finnegan (16m 10s):

So here’s the story. I always wanted a Dawson five 10 and found one bill on bring a trip com And. it was in Carolina right on the coast. And I was like, Hmm. I could buy a Dotson five 10 at the beach and drive it to a mountain and go snowboarding and that would be a fun. So of Finnegan’s Garage and So I grabbed my oldest son and a couple friends and we road tripped down to Hilton Head, South Carolina. Bought this Dotson Road trip to Savannah, saw some alligators and started bombing up to North Carolina where there’s where you can go snowboarding, which is awesome.

Mike Finnegan (16m 52s):

And I’ve been there bunch times and about two hours away from getting there, the entire wiring harness from the dash to the headlight of this Dotson just melts down. And so,

Sean P. Holman (17m 3s):

So, so far we have alligators. We have a rad old crappy Dotson with five 10. Is this the yellow one that I saw you two and we have fire. We

Mike Finnegan (17m 13s):

Yeah, This is the yellow one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so we’re you in the gas station? And I’m like, okay, I, I fix this, this is no problem. So I send my son and one of my friends to a parts store and my friend Joe and I just ripping the entire harness out of the nose of the car, just set it on the ground right by the gas pumps. ’cause it’s really not that busy. And, and we just start cutting it apart and peeling iron back together. ’cause all the installations melted off. And time later as we’re doing this, this convertible Dodge rolls up with a really nice guy and he like, Hey, I just kid at O’Reilly’s. and he says he needs some help for the, and I’m like, I’m like stranger danger, okay, you’re talking fun.

Mike Finnegan (17m 55s):

Whatever. He’s, he’s got a friend with him, I’m sure it’s fine. This guy turns out to be a Dawson head and he’s like, yeah, I’ve, I’ve literally got a box of fact and connectors at my house and the right crimpers, I’ll bring them to you. I’m like, and at this, yeah, because I’m

Sean P. Holman (18m 11s):

You’re thinking God is smiling upon you. Like you’re at the point where, oh, the clouds got dark And, it was pouring And, it was ominous. And then all of a sudden the clouds parted, Ray of sunshine came down and as the cloud parted the clouds part, you hear, so now you’re thinking, okay, All, right? If things went like from bad to worse, to a little bit better to now this guy is coming and you’re going up. I life is good. We’re gonna be okay.

Mike Finnegan (18m 40s):

Yeah, totally. I’m sitting on the ground, I’m peeling wires apart. This guy takes off. I hope he comes back. If not, whatever. My kids bring an electrical tape and primary wire, we’ll butt connect our way to the mountain. Well, this comes back in like half an hour in a mint condition converter box in 1600 road string. Dang.

Sean P. Holman (18m 60s):


Mike Finnegan (19m 0s):


Sean P. Holman (19m 1s):

That’s awesome. And

Mike Finnegan (19m 2s):

I’m like, it’s, and it’s way nicer than the car I just bought. and I go Oh, my God, this guy’s awesome. And sure enough he’s got the right connector. It’s perfect because two or three of the factory connectors straight up melted when the, you know, the electric system caught on fire. And so we bandaided all back together, high fived this guy Sarah Rise, his name is Jason, super cool guy. Shout out and and we shout out. Oh yeah. And we keep driving for this place called Sugar Mountain that I’ve been to many times. And we get there at like one 30 in the morning, crash at the best Western, wake up the next morning and then drive to three miles to the mountain. And it’s all good.

Mike Finnegan (19m 43s):

Like I, we rent snowbirds for the guys that don’t have ’em. And you know, we get all dialed in and go to the top of the mountain and at the bottom of the mountain it’s beautiful. Top of the mountain. It is so foggy you can barely see the ground. And now

Sean P. Holman (19m 59s):

Real quick, Mike, for for people that are used to don don’t know snowboarding in Colorado or even snowboarding in SoCal, like at Big Bear or something, you know, that’s just a few thousand feet. What, what’s it like to snowboard in North Carolina?

Mike Finnegan (20m 15s):

It’s actually pretty good, but this is coming from a guy that learned to snowboard in New York. It’s just ice. This is a lot of manmade snow, but it’s, it’s like 50 degrees out. It’s not cold. There’s ice, it’s a little slushy, but it’s great. You know, it’s, it’s February in North Carolina and I’m gonna ride slush, don’t care. It’s all good. And we roll down the mountain for our first run at the time of our lives. You really can’t see very well at the top half of the mountain, but you know, it’s all good. Get down to the bottom, hook up with some other pens, go back up to the top. And as I’m coming down the second time I’m carving up, there’s these really cool Banks on the right side of the mountain and carving up one come down, carve up another one.

Mike Finnegan (21m 5s):

And they’re not real tall. The bank’s seven or eight feet tall. And on the second one I carve up the top of it. Nothing on the other side of it, but I didn’t see that. Oh. And so just, I’m going way too fast and I just go end over, end into probably seven or eight feet ditch. And I, you know, I lay there for a second and I’m like, All, right? This hurts a little, but I’m probably okay. You know, I didn’t hit my bell, I didn’t hurt my arms. I feel like everything’s fine. I go to get up and I can’t get up. And I’m like, All, right? don, don’t think I’ve broke anything. This, this, I’m, I just took it really bad.

Mike Finnegan (21m 45s):

So I started snowboarding down the mountain at about an eighth of a mile later. I’m like, okay, I can’t do this anymore. So, I, unstrap. And I just start limping down the mountain for like half a mile. Oh

Sean P. Holman (21m 55s):


Mike Finnegan (21m 56s):

And I’m finally like, All, right? I, I can’t continue to limp down the mountain, so I’m, I’m just gonna sit my butt on the board and ride it. But then I got a little paranoid about like my leg getting caught in the and bending again. So I’m like, okay, I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna ride the board down. So, I see this chairlift off to my right. And we’re, we’re halfway down the mountain at this point, but I see this chairlift, I’m like, I’m gonna hike uphill to this chairlift and ride it down like I’ve seen other people do. So I, limp my ass up to this cliff, get to it and homeboy won’t let me write it down.

Sean P. Holman (22m 27s):


Mike Finnegan (22m 28s):

And I’m like,

Sean P. Holman (22m 29s):

Now at that, at that point did you say, do you know who I am?

Mike Finnegan (22m 32s):

No, no. I I never literally said that that will not happen. But I’m like, come on buddy. I’m like, I can’t walk any further. And, and he, he actually doesn’t speak English. It was interesting. And I’m like trying to make the international symbol broken. I don’t think I’m broken, but I’m making it. I’m like, come on, let me ride this lift down. He’s like, sorry boss won’t lemme, okay. I’m like, well, well you call ski patrol, which is the last thing I wanna do. I do not wanna be that guy strapped down to a gurney on a toboggan getting towed back down there, you know, just the tow machine. But I got, I, I literally have no option at this point. So ski patrol shows up, super nice guy on a snowboard. He’s got a toboggan.

Mike Finnegan (23m 13s):

don don’t have to get strapped down, And it. ’cause I’m not dying. I just sit in it, I’m kind of holding my board and I take the ride down the mountain, which is super fun and way faster.

Sean P. Holman (23m 23s):

Those guys haul ass. I’ve gone, I I dislocated my shoulder in Mammoth and the guy hauled ass down. Yeah. ’cause he’s got other people arrested. He was way more fun than me doing it on my own. They get commissioned off how many people they bring down the mountain. He was going so fast that my arm, when I got into the toboggan or whatever, that stretcher thing, my arm, my right shoulder was still dislocated when I got to the bottom. It had the bouncing, snapped it back in. Well that’s part of the service they provide. Is that it? Yeah. No. So Mike’s, Mike’s reminding me of something like when he’s like, I don’t want to be the embarrassment of that guy on the back of the tobo toboggan, right? Yep. I remember I was out surfing one day. I got caught in a rip current, for those of you who don’t live at the beach, A rip current is basically this channel underwater that spits you way out to sea.

Sean P. Holman (24m 7s):

And so the only way to get out of It is to go parallel to the shore. And so I’m like, man, this sucks. ’cause I, I was like way out like I was, I was getting pretty far where I’m like, this is gonna suck getting back in So. I’m going parallel. Is this

Mike Finnegan (24m 20s):

In? Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (24m 21s):

Exactly. There’s a little Baywatch action there. And instead of some really attractive blonde running to the beach, it was two dudes. But they brought the jet ski out. Well actually first the boat came to me and they’re like, Hey dude, you okay? I’m like, yeah, I’m just swimming parallel. I’m like just, you know, yank me over and then I’ll just, I’ll paddle in there. No, no, we got guys coming for you. I look on the beach, there’s two lifeguard trucks, so embarrassing with with flashing red lights and a dude on a jet ski that comes out. and then I had to Hold on the back and get towed in. Yeah. Saw I’m like a toe of shame. Yeah. and then you get up and then people are like, is this guy drowning? Is he dead? Oh, this able-bodied, you know, piece of shit just stood up and walked out of the water. What’s his problem?

Sean P. Holman (25m 0s):

That’s literally the last time I think ever went surfing.

Mike Finnegan (25m 3s):

And you’re local. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (25m 5s):

Yeah, totally.

Mike Finnegan (25m 8s):

Yeah. So that’s, that’s, that was my initial reaction was I do not wanna take the ride of shame. But once I got on it, it was really fun. And this dude’s hauling ass, like he’s on a snowboard. He’s got the, the toboggan behind him with me in it. I’m holding my board and my right arm, I’m holding onto like a bungee cord in the left and we’re just bombing this hill. And as we go down every now and again, I just hear this whistle and I, I don’t really think much of it, but where the ski hut is for ski patrol is at the very bottom of the bunny slope. Now at this point, it’s like two afternoon on a Friday. It looked like the 4 0 5 freeway. I’m like, we are running into fools, just little kids and grandmas. They’re all gonna get knocked down by this dude except all of a sudden he just lays on the whistle like full-time.

Mike Finnegan (25m 53s):

And I sit there And, it, It is like this sea just parts for this dude in this toboggan. And everybody’s staring at me like looking to a

Sean P. Holman (25m 59s):

Dead guy

Mike Finnegan (26m 0s):

Except I’m just in, I’m in the back of this toboggan just eating snow off this guy’s snowboard and just like, woohoo all the way down, you know? And we get down to the bottom and I tell him, I’m like, dude, that was an awesome ride. Thank you. Like I didn’t even care about the snow hitting me in the face. He’s like, oh dude, I’m sorry about that. I’m like, no good. It tasted great. I was thirsty anyway. and he iss like, bro, that’s, that’s pond water. You don’t want to eat that snow. Oh yeah, manmade. Got it. Okay. And so he, he literally parked this right on the AstroTurf ramp leading into like the infirmary and So I like hobble out and get in there and they put me on a bed and we take my boot off and my ankle looks like, did you ever see big trouble at Little China?

Mike Finnegan (26m 45s):

Yes. Remember when the dude gets pissed off at the end, And, it explodes

Sean P. Holman (26m 50s):

Like his,

Mike Finnegan (26m 50s):

My foot looked like his feet when he blew up in that thing. I was like,

Sean P. Holman (26m 53s):


Mike Finnegan (26m 55s):


Sean P. Holman (26m 56s):

Is that when you went into shock

Mike Finnegan (26m 57s):

In No, no. Well So I still know it’s broken yet. And the guy that towed me in was like, yeah, your pulse is good. You probably just ripped some ligaments and some tendons. And I was like, oh well All, right. Well that’s no big deal. So I like ice it for half an hour, slam my boot on and go to the bar. And I tell my kid, I’m like, just go up with your friends and keep riding. It was literally our second run. I was like, I’m not gonna ruin this for everybody, just I’ll hang here. So I sat up in the, in the bar and just nursed one cocktail ’cause I still gotta drive home. And I sat there for like four hours and then

Sean P. Holman (27m 32s):

You in, I came back down. You mean stick shift Dotson? Right.

Mike Finnegan (27m 34s):

So my left, my left leg is the one I’ve trashed. Oh. And

Sean P. Holman (27m 39s):

So clutch foot?

Mike Finnegan (27m 42s):

Yeah, it, it’s a stick of car. And so we, we go to leave and I like hobble out and I’m actually feeling not a lot of pain. I gotta be honest. I got, I’m not in that much pain, I just know I can’t really put any weight on this thing. So I get in the car and I start driving and every time I clutch I just feel something crunchies in my leg.

Sean P. Holman (27m 59s):

Oh God.

Mike Finnegan (28m 2s):

So for like a solid hour I’m driving us home and finally I’m like, I don’t Think. this is cool. I probably shouldn’t drive anymore. And So, I jump in another car, let my buddy drive us home. And then we got home And. it was like a five hour ride by the time we get out there, I can’t hobble anymore. My wife beats me in the driveway at like 11 o’clock at night. She, I haven’t told her what’s happened. She’s like, why are you limping? And I was like, ah, I might have slipped and fell while was snowboarding. You know,

Sean P. Holman (28m 27s):

Not that you were hucking yourself over eight foot berm into a trench. He was trying to do a double. No, no,

Mike Finnegan (28m 32s):


Sean P. Holman (28m 33s):

Seven 20 snowboard down die full cent broke.

Mike Finnegan (28m 39s):

It was So extreme. And so the next morning I get up and I, and my leg it, it doesn’t look good. I was like, oh crap. so we go to urgent care and they X-ray and they’re like, yeah, you’ve broke your leg. I was like, oh,

Sean P. Holman (28m 53s):

So where did you break it? Was it femur? Was it Well femurs way top? No I don know, like, was it Yeah, tibia or I

Mike Finnegan (29m 0s):

Broke the long, the long bone on the outside of your leg. So it’s not the one you’re putting weight on, it’s just the one stabilizing everything. It’s the

Sean P. Holman (29m 7s):

Got your shin, like where Fib

Mike Finnegan (29m 9s):

Fibula. Fibia the shin, not the one in the middle. Okay. But on the outside of your calf,

Sean P. Holman (29m 12s):

We’re clearly not doctors here.

Mike Finnegan (29m 15s):

Yeah. So de if you look at the outside of your leg on your calf running from your knee down to your ankle, that there’s a long bone there called the fibula, I think is the name of it. And, and there’s one on the inside of your leg too. And those kind of stabilize your leg and your ankle. And so the one down the middle of your shin, that’s the one you put all your weight on. The other ones just stabilize you. And so I’m tripping because I’m, the next day I’m supposed to be on a plane to film roadkill and I had to call everybody and be like, Hey, I broke my leg. Yeah. So, so there was that. And then, you know, they, they found somebody else. So they’re, they’re actually all filming it right now in Nashville. And I’m, I’m at home, but I went to a surgeon today ’cause I was tripping.

Mike Finnegan (29m 56s):

I was like, Oh my God, he long’s this gonna take and

Sean P. Holman (29m 60s):

Let me guess the surgeon said everything would’ve been great if you didn’t try and drive home.

Mike Finnegan (30m 5s):

Well that was the wild part was I told him what happened and he looked at me like I was a psycho. And, and he iss like, are you on anything right now? I’m like, no, no. I’m like, I took two Advil last night. I said, but I’m, I’m not on anything right now ’cause I didn’t know what you were gonna tell me to do. And so he’s like, okay, well the good news is if you’re gonna break a bone, that’s the one you wanna break. And if you’re gonna break it, that’s the manner in which you wanna break it. And somehow it’s not moved outta the place. He’s like, so you don’t need surgery. He’s like, you just need a boot and stay off it for two weeks. And then, and then after that you can put a little weight on it. and he is like, in six weeks you should be close to normal.

Mike Finnegan (30m 46s):

He says, you’re gonna have pain for the next year. You’re gonna know you did this. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (30m 49s):

Oh dude, but you

Mike Finnegan (30m 50s):

But, but you’ll be back to normal. I’m like, I gotta be honest you, I’m not in much pain now. So whatever you’re telling me, probably can’t commit

Sean P. Holman (30m 56s):

That. So how, how old are you now, Mike?

Mike Finnegan (30m 59s):

I’m old. I’m 49 now. Just had a

Sean P. Holman (31m 1s):

Birthday dude. Mine’s coming up. Happy birthday. I’m gonna be 46, which is super weird. And I will tell you in Moab several years ago I crashed on my mountain bike and broke my elbow. And I was, same thing as you. Like I crashed. I’m like, oh that hurts. But I think I’m okay. And so when I stood up to straighten out my arm to pick up my bike, it went and I went and I had to hike like a mile and a half off the trail with Shane Kasad from Bilstein. ’cause we were riding together. And then Christian Hazel drove my manual Jeep to the hospital for me. and then I ended up doing all that stuff. My dad had to fly from SoCal to Moab to help me get home. And they basically give you like enough pain pills to get you through like 24 or 48 hours.

Sean P. Holman (31m 44s):

And they’re like, after this it constipates you. You’re just on Advil. So same thing, lots of ibuprofen. My dad flies into town and like I’m a mess. Like I can’t move my arm. And it’s like I can’t sleep. It’s crazy. Hang out in town for a few days head home and like my dad trying to shift my Jeep, he hasn’t driven a stick in like, you know, 25 years. I think after about the first seven or eight grinds of all my gears, I’m like, get out. So he’s like, your mo you know, your mom’s not gonna like this. So I ended up driving home ’cause it was my left arm that I, that I busted. So I still had my legs, I still had my shifting arm. I Think, we called my mom and she’s like, so is dad driving? And my dad’s like, no, he won’t let me. She’s like, what? And I drove the whole way home.

Sean P. Holman (32m 24s):

I’m like, yeah, no, we, we got this. But that reminds me of of that where same thing where you’re like, I I can do it, but I’ll tell you dude, it’s a year. It’s a year. At least it sucks.

Mike Finnegan (32m 37s):

Yeah, it really blows. ’cause I, I like doing stuff like I’m, if I’m not in the backyard playing basketball with my kids, we’re, you know, we’re riding jet skis or we’re skateboarding or whatever. So that, that’s the part I’m, so like three days ago what I was most excited about was buying a car and go on snowboarding. Today when I’m most excited about is the idea that I can walk from the refrigerator to the kitchen table and then you just one trip.

Sean P. Holman (33m 3s):

Funny how priorities can change so easily. Cup Yeah. Oh dude.

Mike Finnegan (33m 7s):

I’m like, I’m like, I I wanna make one trip, not three trips and get the, the plate, the fork and the cup to the table without dropping anything. And Oh my God your crut crutches are the worst things ever. Oh, I, I’m thankful. But I, I totally took for granted the ability to walk until, you know, three days

Sean P. Holman (33m 25s):

Ago. Yeah, yeah. About that. So, okay. You’ve got a lot of other stuff going on. So, okay, so good news. Road Kill’s still filming, obviously big announcement that the Motor Trend streaming service is going away, but you guys are getting your stuff transferred over to Discovery and Max, right? So it’ll still be available.

Mike Finnegan (33m 47s):

Yeah, it’s it’s a weird time right now. Super weird. Yeah, I, I found out, I, I think I found out after most people found out that Roadkill will be on Max. A lot of the other MotorTrend shows are going to Discovery Plus and the MotorTrend app streaming service is, I love the term they used. It sounds so great. Sunset.

Sean P. Holman (34m 15s):

Sunset, yeah. Sunset

Mike Finnegan (34m 16s):

At, at the end of March

Sean P. Holman (34m 18s):

For, for those of you don’t know it’s going away. Yeah. So basically, long story short, there was a joint venture between MotorTrend, its previous owner and Discovery. Warner Brothers bought Discovery, discovery, Warner Brothers Discovery, the new company finished buying out MotorTrend. And so now they’re making the changes that they wanted and they obviously didn’t need three streaming services. And so, and they didn’t need print either, did they? Not in the off-Road space. They or a podcast? Nope. About trucks. So. I.

Mike Finnegan (34m 47s):

Yeah. And if you’re a subscriber this time, I feel like it’s slightly better than all the other times. ’cause like I remember when they started shutting down magazines when Holman and I were there, like if you subscribe to, you know, sport Truck, all of a sudden you would get like off road or gardening like Yeah, either one you weren’t asking for it, you know, at least in this case they’re like, okay MotorTrend subscribers, you’re gonna get Discovery. Which yeah, It is gonna have a lot of home renovation stuff you might not care about. But they do have car shows. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (35m 16s):

They do have car shows and well, and I heard that the MotorTrend price, which is like 5 99 is staying for now for the MotorTrend subscriber, even though they’re getting more on the discovery platform. So that’s cool. ’cause like, I remember when they, you know, shut down Four Wheeler, they’re like, oh, we’re gonna move you over to MotorTrend. And I’m sure all the Four Wheeler subscribers were like, sweet. I always really Wait what? So no it’s, it’s good because D Discovery is a good network. You know, they’ve got all the Gold Rush shows and all the, you know, like that kind of stuff. What isn’t Gold Rush on history? Is it history? No, I think it’s Discovery. Is it Discovery? Oh, It is Discovery? I think so, yeah.

Mike Finnegan (35m 48s):

But they might, they might be owned by Discovery too.

Sean P. Holman (35m 50s):

Yeah. Who knows? don don’t know. I I I thought they were two different companies. History was one and then like History is A and e that company. Yeah. With like Smithsonian or something. H yeah, all that stuff. And then Discovery, discovery O and all that. And Discovery. Yeah. I love, I’m, I’ve always been a discovery is Shark Week, dude. Like, come, come on. Yeah. So once a week or once a year, once whatever, bottom line, roadkill still alive. Fry Burger and Finnegan are gonna be out in the world doing things except for the couple episodes. ’cause Mike had to go auger himself into like a trench, a dish. So Mike, before you were a Crip you were working on a 3000 horsepower dude. Ouch. Not even gimp, just No, just a straight Crip. Just straight up dude.

Sean P. Holman (36m 30s):

It’s him and Snooped, Crip washing straight up hand smashing on the guy, man. Yeah. So you were working on a 3000 horsepower billet LS mystery car. What’s up with that? Yeah,

Mike Finnegan (36m 42s):

The motors together we’re about to Dino it actually.

Sean P. Holman (36m 44s):

But what is the mystery car? Because I don’t, at last I saw you hadn’t announced it, so I’d like you to do that here. Please.

Mike Finnegan (36m 54s):

You know, I would, but I’m not on any painkillers, so it’s not gonna happen.

Sean P. Holman (36m 58s):


Mike Finnegan (37m 0s):

No, I I I’ve learned my lesson about saying Look at this cool thing and yeah, by the way, it’s not gonna run for another year or two and don don’t have any content and yeah. And so like I have a Cadillac that people have known about for two plus years now. It still doesn’t run. And so

Sean P. Holman (37m 17s):

I have a F 100 just like that, Mike. Yep.

Mike Finnegan (37m 20s):

Yeah. You, you guys know. And So, I don’t, I don’t wanna say anything until it’s actually happening.

Sean P. Holman (37m 25s):

I, I, that’s fair. I can appreciate that. I can’t So, but Can you, what’s up with the, the 3000 horsepower engine Can? you tell us the story behind that.

Mike Finnegan (37m 35s):

Yeah, yeah. I, it doesn’t belong in the car. I’m putting it into as usual

Sean P. Holman (37m 41s):

The DOS five 10 is gonna be do it, it probably weights as much as the Dawson, probably

Mike Finnegan (37m 48s):

It’s LS based. It’ll have one turbo. It’s a noonan block with CID heads and it’s being built by a guy named Stephan Rossi who’s actually local to you guys. He’s in like Torrance and he’s got a company called Ace Racing Engines. It’s cool. And, and I, I went LS because if the goal for the car is to, it’s gonna be a street car that I’m gonna drag race to do events like hot rod drag. And if you’re gonna go to an event like that and you’re gonna break like I normally do, it’s good to have something other people have. And so, yep, totally

Sean P. Holman (38m 23s):

Part parts availability,

Mike Finnegan (38m 25s):

Right? If nothing else, I can borrow a starter from somebody or I can go to a, you know, an AutoZone or O’Reilly and get some parts for this thing. So that’s why I chose an LS motor.

Sean P. Holman (38m 36s):

So you and I were texting yesterday and then you’re like, Hey by the way, great coming on the show, but I got a question and that is I need to buy a new truck. And I’m like, Uhuh, no, no, no, we’re not doing this here. We’re saving it for tomorrow. So let’s rehash that, that conversation that started. ’cause I think, I think your friends over The, Truck, Show, Podcast are gonna help you narrow down your choices. So Mike, are you looking to buy a new truck because you’re pulling that new race trailer that you bought?

Mike Finnegan (39m 8s):

Yeah. This part of it. And this is lovely segue by the way. We’ve talked about alligators, broken legs and snowboarding and dots.

Sean P. Holman (39m 14s):

That’s why we like having you on. Dude, it’s been too long. We, we haven’t caught

Mike Finnegan (39m 17s):

Up in a while. Talk. We might as well talk about trucks on the trucks.

Sean P. Holman (39m 22s):


Mike Finnegan (39m 22s):

Get there. Yeah. So, I as you know, I’ve, I’ve got an issue where I’ve, I’ve owned a lot of ramp trucks and, and they’re great. I still have one. Some

Sean P. Holman (39m 31s):

Say It is more than an issue. Some say it’s an addiction or a disability. It’s one of the two.

Mike Finnegan (39m 36s):

Well, yeah, I am not in denial. I mean, I, I still look at them every day. You know, there’s, there’s ones I haven’t experienced that kind of want to, but not today. Satan, that’s,

Sean P. Holman (39m 46s):

Did you see the wait, wait, wait. Hold on back up. He said ones I want to experience. Right. That’s weird. He wants to get it.

Mike Finnegan (39m 56s):

Yeah, I don’t necessarily, I don’t need to own him or not for very long. I think, you know, you

Sean P. Holman (40m 2s):

Just have to get it outta your system.

Mike Finnegan (40m 3s):

Yeah, I I kind of wanna know what it’s like for some of these other ones.

Sean P. Holman (40m 6s):

Dude, you had a truck called Square Force One I mean, come on, it doesn’t get any better. Fricking awesome.

Mike Finnegan (40m 13s):

That one was incredible.

Sean P. Holman (40m 14s):

That was one of the best names of any vehicle ever.

Mike Finnegan (40m 17s):

I have the roadkill ramp truck still, but it, you know, I gotta be honest, I’ve thought about selling it because it eats up a lot of space and then my daily driver is a half ton tundra. And so I’m thought instead of having two damn trucks, lemme just get one that will like in daily and then they’ll tow the race trailer. And I’m not paying insurance on two things. I’m not storing one giant ramp truck anymore. And so the road kill ramp truck I think is gonna go away pretty soon. And I think I’m gonna sell or trade the tundra in on something else that will haul the ratio. And So I hit up Holman I think yesterday actually. Yeah, for two reasons. I, I needed to know about new trucks ’cause I don’t know about new trucks, but also because I couldn’t find on my calendar when we were doing this podcast

Sean P. Holman (41m 2s):


Mike Finnegan (41m 3s):

I scheduled it in like December or something.

Sean P. Holman (41m 5s):

It is a long time. I know I had just pushed out the calendar for like three months and I Think we were talking, I’m like, yeah, here’s the link. Just whatever. And I think you said, oh I’m, I’m busy in the beginning part of the year, but you know, it opens up in February. I’m like, yeah, whatever. And I look, it’s like eight weeks later, it’s like eight weeks later, here’s Mike Finnegan on the truck. Show Podcast.

Mike Finnegan (41m 24s):

Well, and I, I couldn’t find it on my calendar and so Holman’s like, yeah it’s tomorrow. I was like, well thank God I texted you too.

Sean P. Holman (41m 30s):

Yeah, we

Mike Finnegan (41m 30s):


Sean P. Holman (41m 31s):

Probably missed it. We would’ve texted you five minutes before. So let’s talk about your requirements for this truck and also what you think you need. Yes.

Mike Finnegan (41m 38s):

Okay. So five days awake, I’m driving my kids to school on the weekends. We’re going somewhere. I have a 28 foot race trailer that fully loaded down is probably gonna be 11,000 pounds about 12 times a year. I’m driving long distance cross country. And what sparked this whole thing is the tundra has the very worst seats I’ve ever driven cross country and in my life they are so damn hard. What

Sean P. Holman (42m 7s):

Year is it?

Mike Finnegan (42m 8s):

And so it’s a 2021 last year of the V eight. Yeah. And the truck itself Love it. I’m on, I’m on my I think second time

Sean P. Holman (42m 17s):

I was gonna say you’ve had a few of those. Yeah, And it drinks gas.

Mike Finnegan (42m 21s):

Yeah. Yeah. You, you kind of don’t even wanna look at that Gage and So, I love the truck, hate the seats. I looked at, you know, is there a new Sequoia or some other tundra or SUV that has butt massagers or more comfortable seats that I can swap into this thing even, I gotta make my own brackets. And the answer is no. like a brand new tundra. You can’t get an ass massager. And I’m like, that’s weird. And and So I’ve ridden in a couple of trucks that friends have and I’m like, you have seat massagers. They’re like, yeah. And I’m like, that would be incredible when I drive cross country my legs are falling asleep, you know?

Sean P. Holman (42m 55s):

Yeah, yeah. It makes

Mike Finnegan (42m 55s):

A difference. And so I’ve, I’ve literally looked online at a new GMC Denali solely because I like the cool tailgate with the speakers and the flip down thing and then I, I see it’s got a, it’s got a butt massager and I’m like okay, you know some of the questions I have are, if I was to go with the six two, is it going to eat push rods and lifters like some of the older DOD stuff? I don’t necessarily need a Diesel for what I’m doing and I kind of don’t want to deal with DEF and limp modes and whatever BS comes along with a modern Diesel.

Mike Finnegan (43m 36s):

However, I have no experience with any of that stuff either. So I’m coming to the source, you guys

Sean P. Holman (43m 42s):

All, right? So have having placed all of your requirements into our AI system here at The, Truck, Show, Podcast, computer All, right? So here’s the thing, you’re already out of the 1500 class right there. So you’re done because you gotta tow an 11,000 let’s let’s say maybe even 12,000 pound trailer. Most of the half tons are bumping up to about nine, five to about maybe 11 five. But I wouldn’t, and some of ’em, I think the Ford F-150 has like a ridiculous like oh we’ll do 13, don’t do it. No truck’s too light aluminum body, all that stuff.

Sean P. Holman (44m 22s):

Anything over 10. I always tell people move up into the HD class. So now you kinda have a couple choices. so we have this thing on The Truck, Show Podcast called Diesel inappropriateness and that’s when people go out and they buy the Diesel but they don’t use it enough. They don’t work it enough to get the EG ts up to get the engine warm. You know, lots of short trips. So they suffer from regen all the time. Yeah. So it’s always regen and it’s always killing mileage and all that stuff. So what we don’t know Holman is his daily commute dropping his kids off at school and such, is it less than 20 minutes round trip? Yep. Okay. Okay. So here’s the thing. You go to the GM trucks, the new interior is awesome. Yes they have as massagers the, the tuning on the suspension is so much better on that truck than it used to be.

Sean P. Holman (45m 4s):

It’s a great truck. The problem is the gas engine in that truck is a six six. It’s no don’t want it. And It is just anemic And it doesn’t it, it’s not the best gas engine out there I don’t think. And I would push you toward gas because I think that your trips are too short to really enjoy Diesel. And when you go to a heavy duty with a gas engine, here’s the benefits. It’s about 10,000 plus cheaper to get into. Oil. Changes are cheaper, fuel economy is way worse. But you have enough fuel tank size usually in the high thirties or low forties to where range isn’t an issue. You don’t have to worry about a secondary fluid like DEF, you don’t have to worry about regen, you don’t have to worry about a turbocharger and you start going, you know, gas around town and, and for the 12 times a year or so that you’re gonna tow, I think you’ll be fine.

Sean P. Holman (45m 56s):

In fact our, our mutual friend Dave Chappelle a few years ago asked me the same question and I’ve pointed him in the direction of a Ford superD with with the seven three gas and he loves that thing and he tows his junk all over the country with that. And he’s got a dually, I think he, he’s got a three 50. Yeah the only I issue with those, the weak spot is the transmission. You know when you step up to the Diesel, all of them including the ram, if you get the ho with the ice and transmission, it’s a 10 speed. It’s really stout. So you get the GMC or the Chevy, you get the Allison with a 10 speed, you get the Ford with a 10 speed. So all the big diesels are come gonna come with a really stout trans, which you’re gonna want.

Sean P. Holman (46m 39s):

But I I, the way you drive with a a, I think Ford has fixed some of the 10 speed gas trans issues and the ones that I’ve seen have issues are people who have a way over gross vehicle weight rating. Like my buddy Mark, he’s got a seven three that he tows stuff ’cause he is a land a contractor and does landscaping and big boulders and all that. Mark tows with his F two 50, not even a three 50 with a seven three, about 15 to 16,000 pounds. ’cause he’ll have a like trailer full of dirt and then it rains at night and he’s hauling that thing around. So yeah, he’s had some trans issues. That being said, I think, I think for your use case it would be fine. If you’re going gas, I’d probably shoot you to Super Duty. The ride’s awesome, lots of tech.

Sean P. Holman (47m 20s):

They do have the seat massagers and it’s all around just a really great truck. I love the GMs, you going from a solid axle to IFS when you move to gm but I don’t like that six six, I don’t think it’s worthy enough. Mike, do you care about solid axle versus if FS do you, do you have a no

Mike Finnegan (47m 39s):

Tendency towards one? It’ll never, it’ll never see off road. It goes in the four Wheel drive like two or three times a year for the snow and that’s about it.

Sean P. Holman (47m 48s):

Okay. Do you think he needs a dually or should he just get a 2,500 Oh? no, no. I’d get a 20 512,000 pounds. Yeah. Get a 2,500 ride’s better now you can look at the Rams which have a great interior and coil springs in the back, so they’re probably the best riding. But there the six four Hemi in that is, is no probably right in there with the six six. I just think if you go gas, the seven three Godzilla, so those are big blocks, whereas the Chevy and the Ram are basically small blocks. So you’re getting a lot of torque out of ’em. And Ford’s also has a version of that. It’s a little smaller, it’s a six eight, so you can go to six eight or a seven three on gas. So if you want to have a little bit better fuel economy, you don’t need as much towing. F two 50 with the six eight might just be like that sweet spot.

Sean P. Holman (48m 29s):

And again, you get all the stuff the GM has, I think a nicer interior. You get the massager with Ford. With a Ford. Yeah, I think in the, in the heavy duty gas market, I think anything over, let’s call it 11 or 12,000 pounds, Ford is the way to go. I think that you’re on that cusp where you’re towing and I think if you went to the Ford you’d have enough overhead that if you needed to tow a bigger trailer, you wouldn’t have any issues with it at all. So your, your choices are four vehicles. You’ve got the Chevy six six, the GMC six six, both, you know the ax Ram with a Diesel 6.7 Cummins or you have the Ford, well you could do, sorry, he’s got five.

Sean P. Holman (49m 11s):

So yeah, Ford actually have six Ford with a six seven. Yeah. Or Ford with a seven three. I don’t consider the six eight a choice. I I, because I think he’s just gonna work it too hard. I think he’s gonna end up with a lot bigger here. It’s a big block here. I, I get it. But nah, it’s, you’re just saying, you’re just saying ’cause it’s the bigger engine, you should go for it. No, he’s the bigger engine. Yes. and he doesn’t care about fuel economy. He’s been driving a tundra. I mean it’s like

Mike Finnegan (49m 33s):

He’s been, he’s biased. He is a TRX. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (49m 35s):

He, he, you know what his license plate is on that thing? Right?

Mike Finnegan (49m 40s):


Sean P. Holman (49m 41s):

Oh, wait a minute. Did you hear the story about that? You hear the story?

Mike Finnegan (49m 45s):

Yeah. Ah, I follow on Instagram.

Sean P. Holman (49m 47s):

Okay. So the, his license, when

Mike Finnegan (49m 49s):

I get a, when I get a new truck, I need to know all about the defeat device. So that can’t happen to me.

Sean P. Holman (49m 53s):

By the way, lightning’s license plate is yummy gas. Just so you know,

Mike Finnegan (49m 58s):

Lighting. I don’t know if I messaged you or not, but I have a friend with a killer GPS tracking company.

Sean P. Holman (50m 5s):

No, you did

Mike Finnegan (50m 5s):

Not. I have it on every Okay. I have it on everything I own and Oh, it’s, it’s incredible.

Sean P. Holman (50m 12s):

Yes. Shoot, shoot us that info ’cause I’ve got a bright red Wrangler 3 92 that I’d like to keep for a long time. So I haven’t announced this and don don’t know when it’s gonna air, but I

Mike Finnegan (50m 20s):

Actually hope that gets stolen for you.

Sean P. Holman (50m 22s):

The guy, the guys from CompUSA are gonna be flying down from their home base in Seattle and installing a full system with drone mobile, which is their GPS So. I. Ah, there you go. I’m going that route. All. right. So Mike, that route, just send me your information for your friend and then we’ll go. No, I’m still very interested and we need to talk about it for sure. Well, I, I think the thing lately is everybody’s stuff’s getting stolen. I wanna help the world. I wanna talk to as many security and, and find out as many options as possible. I’ve got an air tag hidden in mine behind a bunch of layers of bolts and stuff. So, and then there’s a way, if you pop a air tag apart, you can take the speaker out so that somebody can’t ping it and find it in your vehicle and then it totally works. Fine. Then there’s no, there’s no noise.

Sean P. Holman (51m 5s):

Yeah, dude, it, it would’ve, so we said this on the podcast, you probably didn’t hear it ’cause you were up breaking your leg, but like, we, like my truck wouldn’t exist. My truck would be, I don’t know where it would be. Mexico. Mexico, probably Mexico. Yeah. It would be off-Road at some cartel owner’s house. Yeah. And like, you know what they do? They steal it and instead of using for drug running, they’d be like, oh, this thing’s got a nice sound system in it. It’s got 20 inch wheels of all blacked out, dude. It’s got Wheel with brakes. Yeah. The bo the boss is gonna be all over. This one whole thing is like, dude, it’s so weird to know that they were so close that they were so close to getting it.

Mike Finnegan (51m 38s):

Oh yeah. It’s,

Sean P. Holman (51m 39s):

It’s, it’s, it sucks, but I, but I’m happy. I still have Did

Mike Finnegan (51m 42s):

You have a little bit of ptsd? TSD ’cause like, I, I’ve had a couple cars broke into and you could see their fingerprints everywhere and after that it was hard to like, you kind of feel gutted. You finally, I I kind of didn’t want to get in the car again. You know,

Sean P. Holman (51m 57s):

A little bit like, luckily they didn’t leave, there weren’t footprints all over the place. The only thing they did is when the glass busted, some little pieces of glass were on my roll track, my electric roll top, you know, bed cover and the glass. When I, when I opened it up, it pulled the glass with it and scratched the surface of the roll track. That’s really the only remnants that I can see for knock on wood. I went and inspected all the, you know, the, the seats. There were no rips. Luckily the glass was kind of localized to the backseat. Can I ask you a question like Yeah, yeah. What was closer your TRX being stolen or Mike landing? That’s snowboard trick.

Sean P. Holman (52m 39s):

I think my, my truck to being stolen Yes. Was closer. Was closer. Yes. Oh, sorry about that, Mike. Yeah, there was nothing on the side of his berm. Like it was just dirt and a ravine. Hey, by the way, just, just so while we’re on the, the, the topic of the truck, So I, don’t Think, we talked about it. Price, no. Mike’s Rich, whatever. Oh yeah. He’s selling a ramp Truck road. Kill this side. This be fine. He’s, he’s president of horsepower You know what I mean. So the six eight is 400 horse, 445 pound feet of torque. And the seven three big gaster goes up to 430 horsepower and 485 pound feet of torque. So that’s better. Yeah. But then you get to the Diesel and then you’re getting a thousand pound feet of tour. Yeah. But you’re also getting all the bad things that come with Diesel.

Sean P. Holman (53m 21s):

So on the way here, Mike, I borrowed CJC off road. They’re out of Long Beach, California and they are one of the exclusive distributors of Carly’s suspension. They do, you know, Carly’s known for Rams and, and and Ford, straight X, et cetera. Anyway, So I take their 23 ho and it’s got right off the lot bone stock, 1200 pound feet of torque. And I’m telling you, it feels very similar to the TRX. It doesn’t have the zero to 60 time or any of that, but like, when you’re at 80 and you just lean into it, it’s bonkers how powerful that thing is. It feels you do not feel like you’re in a 9,000 pound truck. It’s weird. The acceleration is six nuts and I can’t imagine how easy it would So I pulled with our 19 Ford at work at Banks.

Sean P. Holman (54m 3s):

I pulled with our 22 Ford and those have been wonderful. I can’t imagine pulling with the H ho. It’s just a machine. Are you about to say too much power? Nope. I saw it forming. I I saw your lips forming too much power. I wasn’t going to, you need to be called out on that immediately. Wasn’t going to say that. I wasn’t gonna say I was gonna

Mike Finnegan (54m 20s):

Say’s what I had to say

Sean P. Holman (54m 21s):

About that. I was gonna say mania.

Mike Finnegan (54m 24s):

My ramp truck has 1300 foot pounds of torque. The thing’s a beast. The problem with Diesel is the same problem I have with full-time. Electric vehicles, when you run out, you better have planned ahead. I more than once I’ve been like, whoa, I’m really low. I need to get some Diesel and I pull into gas stations late at night that aren’t open. The pumps aren’t on or just flat out No Diesel. Yep. And so in my daily driver, that’s the first thing I don’t want to deal with is, oh, where do I find the Diesel?

Sean P. Holman (54m 58s):

I’m telling you off 2 57, 3 Gasser. The answer is a Titan tank. So you get, you get, I had, when I had my lifted dually, that’s the pressure I had 66 gallons on board. Doesn’t, he doesn’t want $2,000 Phillips, what does it matter? It matters. ’cause he wants to do 40 gallons at a time. Not, but when he goes 300, when he goes on a road trip and he knows he’s going, he’s gonna be somewhere in the middle of the night. He’s not fueling other vehicles. Then he fills 60 frigging gallons. No.

Mike Finnegan (55m 25s):

Oh. And you sound like my ex-girlfriend who once told me she didn’t wanna fill her tank all the way up. ’cause she didn’t wanna spend that money, that much money on gas.

Sean P. Holman (55m 32s):

That’s different than having another 60 gallons on board. By the way, I have a 3 92 and filling that sucker up every time. First So I, I had the Midship, I had a 60 gallon tank midship and I had a 33 where the spare tire was So. I had 99 gallons. Yeah, but the problem is you couldn’t go through it fast enough and had an algae bloom by the time that used it. I didn’t. I didn’t. I you called her friends of stable. I would, I could drive to Havasu and back without filling up. Yeah, but you still had to pee. I

Mike Finnegan (56m 0s):

Do remember when I was at Sport Truck, I did an article with a company called Transfer Flow, I think was the name. Yeah, sure.

Sean P. Holman (56m 6s):


Mike Finnegan (56m 7s):

Still around. And they had a Yeah. And I had a, a toolbox transfer tank with a nozzle and everything and I had it in my 96 Chevy crew cab. Dually. I

Sean P. Holman (56m 17s):

Remember that

Mike Finnegan (56m 17s):

Truck, which is a 4 54 gas motor and fill it up twice. Never used it again.

Sean P. Holman (56m 22s):

See, there you go. I’m telling you, dude, get the, get the f superduty Gasser, you’ll be super happy with it.

Mike Finnegan (56m 28s):

I I’m actually gonna look at it. Do it. I’m, I’m, I’m gonna look at it. I’ve never considered myself a Ford guy. And I gotta be honest, I haven’t looked at ’em since the last time they screwed up the way a Doley looked where they basically took a fleet side bed and put fender flares on it. I literally haven’t looked at one since then. ’cause it was So. Just All. right.

Sean P. Holman (56m 46s):

Offputting go, go drive a gas GMC if you can find it. ’cause I guarantee you those are gonna be really hard to find on the lot. Especially as a, as a Denali. So just drive, just just tell me you wanna drive a work truck, whatever. Just so you get a feel for that six six. I guarantee it’ll be a lot easier for you to find a a six eight or a seven three gas Ford Super Duty ’cause they’re in much higher demand. Drive those things back and forth and then just pay attention to how the torque ramps up, how they feel. The problem with me is for a truck that big, the six six just feels underwhelming. We’re driving the seven three. You’re like, yeah, this is, this is man’s truck right here. Like I I, the first time I drove a seven three, I’ve probably sold to my friends 7, 7 3 super duties for people.

Sean P. Holman (57m 28s):

Well it’s ’cause you’re on commission from Ford. I I’m not though. Ford has never done anything for me. No. The thing is like So I was also like, I was never a Ford guy. I I actually have never owned a Ford product at all. But, or a ram for that matter. and then you got tx. Exactly. And I’ve been just the GM guy. But at Banks I started getting around more Fords and driving them and I’ve really enjoyed cross country trips in them. You know, the stripper models not so much, but when they’re loaded, which you should look, you’re old enough. You deserve a nice truck with all the acc ma and he’s talking about massaging seats. He’s not getting understand that like just go but go balls to the wall. Get the moon roof, like the full thing. And Ford has that weird taint poker where it’s like they massage, but there’s the one that goes up and kind of touches you a little.

Sean P. Holman (58m 12s):

Like, I think you have to sign a waiver or something because it’s a, you’ll be driving and you’re like, whoa, what was that? And you looking at your truck like that’s a, that’s a shocker. It’s called a stain maker. Yeah. Fir first time That one touches you weird. You, you definitely have to have a cigarette or pull over and take a breather. ’cause it’s, you feel violated after that. You’re fine. I

Mike Finnegan (58m 31s):

Feel like it’s probably taking DNA samples of some sort.

Sean P. Holman (58m 34s):

Yeah. That way they can track your truck when it gets stolen. Yeah. Like there was a time, dude, like, you know, when there was a huge disparity, it was GMC was So far out in front as far as the interiors. Then here comes ram. All of a sudden ram is just no dude know how many people are behind. Do you know how many people are listening to you right now and swearing at you? Really? Oh yeah. Well then who was out front? Ford always had nicer interiors than gm. Really? Yeah. Than the GMT and Ram. Ram had horrible interiors until about oh nine. Right. And then all of a sudden, and then the, the last generation I mean obviously Ram has the best interiors of anybody now GM’s catching up. But there’s that, that new big screen and everything.

Sean P. Holman (59m 15s):

It is really nice. But, so like if it So it was me. I am agreeing with Holman that the Ford seven three fits your use case should be, should be on your list. That’s what we’re saying. Yeah, for sure. The six eight. No, the seven three. Yes. And then same engine. By the way, if you’re, if you say I’m not gonna do the gas, I, I think I should go for the Diesel because maybe that 11,000 pound trailer’s gonna get fully loaded and I’m gonna GMC 2,500. So then you duramax probably. Yeah. And then the Ford six seven. Yeah. And the, and the ram last. Yeah. The Ram’s a little utilitarian. Now with the Cummins, it’s, it’s, it’s not as nice and refined as a daily. That’s not saying you can’t do it. I still love that truck. I absolutely love that truck. But for your use case, driving the kids around, hooking up a trailer here and there, you need four Wheel drive to pull your boat outta the ramp, all that kinda stuff.