Jim Pickering, renowned author of the CarTech books “Chevy/GMC Trucks 1973-1987: How to Build & Modify” and “Chevy/GMC Trucks 1967-1972: How to Build & Modify,” discusses the world of classic trucks and personalizing them to fit your style. Meanwhile, Holman test-drives Jeep’s latest Moab concepts and uncovers insights into Jeep’s future direction. Additionally, Lightning introduces another innovative anti-theft device. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan, in association with Banks Power and Amsoil.


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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (0s):

Something tells me that This Is going to be a phenomenal truck show podcast episode. You know, why

Sean P. Holman (6s):

Holman? Why is that Lightning?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8s):

’cause we have an author on the show.

Sean P. Holman (10s):

We have an author on the show every week. Lightning. We

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13s):

Do. Who

Sean P. Holman (13s):

You I? Me.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14s):

No, you’re you’re like a, well, I guess you technically are an author, but you’re like, you’re doing short form This Is. Long Form This Is. An entire

Sean P. Holman (22s):

Book. Listen, if you put all of my thousand plus stories I’ve written over time together, it would also create many, many books,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28s):

I suppose. So Jim Pickering is the author of Chevy GMC trucks, 1967 to 72, and GMC trucks 1973 to 87. And these are perfect bound. These are the books that you, legitimate

Sean P. Holman (40s):

Books, yeah. You get from like Barnes and Noble or something like that when you’re going to pick up your OVR mag and you go to the book

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46s):


Sean P. Holman (46s):

On a nice plug. Thank you. And you go to the book section and you do, how do I build or Modify Chevy truck. Boom. There you go.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53s):

And This Is, like the official guide that, right. If you don’t know where to start on building your dream truck, This Is

Sean P. Holman (60s):

The book. If you’ve ever grabbed one of those books and wondered, Hey, I wanna know what’s the expertise behind the guy that authored this, or why are they the expert? Well, we’re gonna have Jim on this episode to tell us what it’s like to write a book on how to Modify vehicles.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 12s):

And I’m gonna need your help.

Sean P. Holman (1m 13s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 14s):

Not you, the listeners. Ah, well, some of your help. Maybe you can weigh in now that I’m thinking about it. I do want your help. All right. All right. Right after the Intro, I’m gonna ask for your assistance on choosing something that I need.

Sean P. Holman (1m 27s):

All right. Well, before we get into that, we have to thank Nissan, our presenting sponsor. Matt, we’ve had a lot of big news in the last week. Behind the scenes, we just added our friends at AMS Oil, who are supporting The, Truck, Show Podcast. And we just renewed Nissan for a whole year as our presenting sponsor. So that means Oh, oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 41s):

Oh, oh. I have something for

Sean P. Holman (1m 42s):

You. Okay. Alright. So that means that The, Truck, Show Podcast will continue for at least another year. Thank you, Nissan. All right, let

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 50s):

Me show you. I’m gonna start out with my favorite ones first shirt, right? Hold on. It’s this one bunch of T-shirts

Sean P. Holman (1m 55s):

Right here. I got Anzo

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 56s):

Oil T-shirt. Do you mind if I open this?

Sean P. Holman (1m 57s):

You’re already doing it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 58s):

You, no, I’m gonna open this so you can see it. Look at this one

Sean P. Holman (1m 60s):

Right here. All it’s a Brad Love shirt.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 1s):

It is. You got yourself in

Sean P. Holman (2m 3s):

Anzo. The Bronco on there. Nice. Yep. So,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 5s):

So that’s the Brad level shirt right there. All right. All right. Let’s see what this one is. I’m just busting these open. I was so excited to get all these shirts today.

Sean P. Holman (2m 12s):

Oh, I like that one. Scott. Birdsall. Oh, I want that, right. Wait, isn, that like a four x.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 16s):

How big is this here? No, it’s xl. You’re gonna shrink ’em. Damn, that thing. These are all your, your shirts, by the way.

Sean P. Holman (2m 19s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 19s):

Awesome. These are all yours. All right. I like

Sean P. Holman (2m 21s):

This one.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 21s):

Okay. What is this guy right here? All right. This Is. A an am oil pocket

Sean P. Holman (2m 26s):

Tea. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 26s):

Pockett. That’s a nice, nice.

Sean P. Holman (2m 27s):

What’s on the back? It is AM Oil.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 29s):

And this guy is an racing official AM oil racing because we are hashtag team.

Sean P. Holman (2m 34s):

Am team. That’s right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 36s):


Sean P. Holman (2m 36s):

More. You got more. I got

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 38s):

Another one. Dude. I, I’m on, I’m wardrobing You okay?

Sean P. Holman (2m 41s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 41s):

Right. This one right here.

Sean P. Holman (2m 42s):

All right. That’s a bank shirt. You’ve

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 43s):

Never seen this one before?

Sean P. Holman (2m 44s):

Whoa. Is this a new one? This one is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 45s):

Just for employees. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (2m 47s):

You didn’t know it yesterday. When I was at banks doing stuff with you and Mr. Banks, I was wearing my banks House of Horsepower shirt under my night shirt.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 55s):

Well, it doesn’t do any good if you’re wearing it under your

Sean P. Holman (2m 57s):

Well, I did. I I didn’t know that you were gonna be there. I thought it was just a, a simple banks meeting. I wanted to look nice.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 3s):

So this one is for staff only. Okay. Check this out

Sean P. Holman (3m 6s):

Like that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 6s):

You at the back.

Sean P. Holman (3m 7s):

Oh, that’s cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 8s):


Sean P. Holman (3m 9s):

Ah, read it. Read it aloud. Banks. D six 30th. How can it be D six 30 TH Turbo Hybrid. You already, it’s like a Cadillac Deville. STS.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 19s):

That’s the way Ga wanted. It’s the same thing. It’s diesel six cylinder. Yes. Three

Sean P. Holman (3m 23s):

Liter. Three

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 24s):

Liter Turbo Hybrid

Sean P. Holman (3m 25s):

Development team. Yes. With the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 27s):

Engine in the middle. Very cool. Yeah. And it’s military colors. Can I tell you a funny story?

Sean P. Holman (3m 30s):

You can tell me. We

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 31s):

Spent funny story weeks editing a video. Okay. To tell the whole world about how we developed the diesel hybrid Humvee for the US Army.

Sean P. Holman (3m 40s):

And they told you No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 42s):

They told us no, we submitted it and they said, we submitted it, and they said, you have been way too specific. They said, you need to. And we turned in like 17. No, it was like 19 or 20 minutes. Yeah. And they came back and go, not so much, much. Yeah. You’ve revealed much too much about our little program. That was a lot of work to make that video. It may, may never see the light. Well, the Army will see it, but Yeah, you won’t,

Sean P. Holman (4m 13s):

You won’t see it. Which

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 14s):


Sean P. Holman (4m 14s):

Yeah, that’s okay. There’s a lot of things we do here on The, Truck, Show Podcast that No. Hit the cutting room floor. And you never see. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 19s):

No, no. That’s because it’s bad. This was good. All right. This was very entertaining.

Sean P. Holman (4m 23s):

Well, let’s, let’s thank Nissan for coming back as our presenting sponsor. So if you are in the market for a mid-size truck, head over to your local Nissan dealership where you can check out the Nissan Frontier. It starts at just $30,030. Nicely equipped. We’re talking a 3.8 liter dual overhead cam 24 valve V six oh. By the way, that is the engine. There is no base engine, there’s no turbo, there’s no hybrid. It’s just a good old fashioned dual overhead cam. Reliable V six backed by Nissan’s nine speed automatic makes 310 horsepower, 280 pound feet of torque and tows up to 6,640 pounds. And that’s because of its fully box frame that’s available in two body styles. And that $30,000 price is the King Cab S model.

Sean P. Holman (5m 6s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 30s):

And for those of you that are sporting Duramax, 2017 to 2024 L five P Banks just dropped a bomb. It’s called a Monster Ram, and it’s an intake elbow. It’s basically, it mounts to the turbo inlet. Not only is it cool looking and cast aluminum, it improves your throttle response. It extends your turbo life by slowing down the shaft speed because it increases air density and it doesn’t suffer from any of the turbo surge that all of the competitors do. Again, if you have a durmax L five P and you’re looking for better throttle response and a little bit of bling under the hood, head over to banks power dot com, type in your year, make and model, and find your monster.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 11s):


Sean P. Holman (6m 11s):

And Doug again, we are so excited to have Amwell. Both Lightning and I are huge fans and use it in our own vehicles. So when you’re looking for a quality full synthetic lubricant for your truck, AMS oil has you covered with motor oil, lubricants, protectants, grease additives, and more. AMS oil has been a pioneer in synthetic lubricants for more than 50 years and delivers wear protection, engine cleanliness and fuel efficiency that can, conventional oils simply can’t match AM oil specialized products are engineered for extraordinary performance across automotive racing and power sports. And Lightning. Did you know AMS Oil is the official oil and the title sponsor of the Ultimate Callout Challenge? I did. And they’re also the official Oil of the National Association of Diesel Motorsports. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 49s):

I didn’t know that one. Their catalog

Sean P. Holman (6m 50s):

Must have thousands of things in it because you could get lost in that thing as I did the other day. So find out how Amwell synthetic lubricants can save you money and time by helping your vehicle run better and last longer. When it comes to Lubrication, Amwell is the leader in synthetics. Find out more at am oil dot com

Recording (7m 8s):

The truck show. We’re gonna show you what we know. We’re gonna answer What? The truck. Because Truck rides with The truck show. We have the lifted We have the lowered and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Whoa Whoa.

3 (7m 40s):

It’s The truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 45s):

All Holman. You

Sean P. Holman (7m 47s):

Said you needed our listeners Yep. To help you make a decision. Yes. But you know, our listeners love to help you make poor decisions. So why are, are you asking them?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 55s):

I think it’s funny.

Sean P. Holman (7m 57s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 57s):

Right. I think it’s funny. I’m a Glenn for punishment. All right. In this bag, my buddy Kenji over at Long Beach Clothing company that I used to own. All right. Oh, he made, he made this. I’m gonna give this to you though. That’s a air freshener for you.

Sean P. Holman (8m 8s):

Oh, I know exactly what that why, but why does it say censored? That’s say that’s the meme everybody sends of the rather large man sporting. Well, let’s just call him a tripod. Yes. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 18s):

He, yes. Okay. So I, so he’s got a plotter over there at the back of the clothing store that they make stickers. Alright. And I said, can you print me this sheet of stickers? And these are stickers that I would be potentially applying to the back window of the TRX in hopes of deterring said Future Thieves from Breaking the Window. That has not yet been put in my TRX because they’re back ordered. Funny.

Sean P. Holman (8m 43s):

You should bring that up because I believe we have some emails from our listeners with some really good ideas I hadn’t thought about before. Really? Yeah. So we’ll get to those later in the show.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 51s):

It’s No, we should actually do that here.

Sean P. Holman (8m 54s):

We’re gonna get some later in the show. You tell us your stupid sticker idea and then they will redeem you with good ideas.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 59s):

But here’s what I want, here’s what I wanted to do. All right? I wanted to read these to you guys.

Sean P. Holman (9m 3s):

I’m waiting, let’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 4s):

Read. Okay. And then I wanted to weigh in. So,

Sean P. Holman (9m 7s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 7s):

Let me know your opinion about these. All right? Either with an email or be preferable on the five star hotline. All right. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Tell me what you think of these potential stickers. I’ve already made these, so I’m hoping you guys like one of these. Which ones do you think will deter a thief from breaking the rear window so I don’t have to go through this agony again? All right. The first one, Holman, is, you can read it.

Sean P. Holman (9m 32s):

Igla Protective. That one’s dumb. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 34s):

Well, no, thank you. Second one is

Sean P. Holman (9m 37s):

Key pairing mode. Disabled. All right. All right. These are in silver, by the way. Yep. Sir. Silver with block Helvetica or something like that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 44s):

Exactly. All right. And this one pretty straightforward.

Sean P. Holman (9m 47s):

Do not break glass. Yep. Do not break glass, I think is asking people to break your glass.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 51s):

All right. How about this one right here?

Sean P. Holman (9m 53s):

That would be break glass, make noise,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 56s):

Break glass, make noise.

Sean P. Holman (9m 57s):

Reminds me of a time that I was at scout camp as a, as a counselor, and we had a one way, or, or one single lane wide, 14 mile dirt road into camp. And the school buses were coming in with that week’s campers. And a guy tried to go out the road and one of our counselors, who was after one of the staff members, Phil Burgandy, ran out after the car up the dirt road, waved him down and all he could manage to get out before the bus came around the corner was PO bus go, boom. And that was all he was able to What? So that, I feel like that’s, that’s that one right there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 31s):

Why was he yelling? Break

Sean P. Holman (10m 32s):

Glass, make noise? Because he, they would’ve had a headon collision with a bus full of 50 scouts. Oh. And he j he wasn’t gonna say, sir, stop. If you continue a bus full of 50 scouts will ram into you big yellow bus

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 44s):


Sean P. Holman (10m 44s):

Yellow bus boat. Go. Boom. He just shout. That’s what he shouted out. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 46s):

Funny. I, one more. Here you go.

Sean P. Holman (10m 47s):

This Is. Security protected. Little boring.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 51s):

Very boring. I’ve, I’ve, these are literally die cut. Yeah. These are vinyl die cut stickers. Right? They look like it. How about this one? Read it slower.

Sean P. Holman (10m 59s):

A vehicle does not run. Vehicle

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 1s):

Does not run. All right. All right. And this one is your personal favorite

Sean P. Holman (11m 6s):

Thieves will be shot. I, that that is, let’s, I’m gonna take that for the podcast studio door and we’ll

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 12s):

Put that area there. No, that’s my

Sean P. Holman (11m 13s):

Only one, right? That one there. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 14s):

Alright. So that is, that’s your selection right there. ’cause I had white and silver made. Yeah. Right. So again, what do you guys like best for the back window? Did you like igla protected? So if they’re a, if they’re a, a thief that knows their, their so to speak, do they go, oh, it’s Igla. No, let’s turn away. I’m not gonna waste my time because I can’t get past this security system.

Sean P. Holman (11m 36s):

I don’t think any of those are gonna help you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 38s):

No. So they’re not gonna, like, vehicle does not run security protected. Do not break glass Key pairing mode. Disabled break glass, make noise or thieves will be shot.

Sean P. Holman (11m 49s):

Not thieves will be shot. Truck show podcast at gmail dot com or the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 53s):

Five star hotline. 6 5 7 2 0 5 6 1 5. I’m being honest. Now guys, like, will, do you, will any of these work, have you been in a similar situation where you’ve had to put up a, you know, a a a guard dog sign or something ’cause guys kept breaking into your yard? Or like what is the effective messaging? You

Sean P. Holman (12m 10s):

Put a guard dog inside your truck just lives there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 13s):

No. You know, like people have said they’re jokingly, but like, is there anything that will catch someone’s attention in the two, literally two seconds you have before they pop the window in? That’s the question. Yeah. No. You don’t think any of these will work? Mm.

Sean P. Holman (12m 29s):

I mean, you could try ’em.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 31s):

I’m going to try one.

Sean P. Holman (12m 33s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 34s):

All right. Well apparently there’s some more suggestions. All right. In the email inbox that

Sean P. Holman (12m 38s):

Get you later. I just know that a sticker in your back window is going to be the thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 43s):

What is,

Sean P. Holman (12m 44s):

You need to listen to our emails later in the show where our listeners provide you with scintillating ideas how to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 51s):

Protect your vehicle. Well, if none of these are gonna work, I got a lot of spare stickers to send you guys.

Sean P. Holman (12m 55s):

All right. These will be shot again. We’ll keep that one here. I think the world would be a better place if you were lopping off fingers and ears from people who were thieves. We’d end that stuff real quick. Hey, I just got back from Easter Jeep Safari and took out the 3 92, as you might imagine, and I’ve got the Rhino Rack roof rack on it now with a set of max tracks up on top and drove out there and back did almost 2000 miles. And what do you think my fuel economy was in the 3 92? Keep in mind, Utah’s a 80 mile per hour speed limit.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 28s):

So you had the new roof rack and did you have the lightener box on top?

Sean P. Holman (13m 32s):

No lightener box, but I did have the max tracks up there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 35s):

I’m gonna 13 7, 13 0.7 miles per gallon.

Sean P. Holman (13m 43s):

I averaged just under 14 miles per gallon for the entire trip. Wow. And one of my hand calculated tanks was 15.5. Okay. Thought was pretty damn good in the 3 92. I mean,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 53s):

That’s not bad.

Sean P. Holman (13m 54s):

I mean, it’s totally acceptable. Yeah. So I was like, all right, I can live with that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 58s):

I have not taken a long enough trip like that in the TRX. Not that we’re comparing, but you did back in the day. What did you, what’s your longest trip when You had the, I think our best, the MotorTrend truck of the year or whatever the hell it was,

Sean P. Holman (14m 10s):

The Four Wheeler pickup truck of the year. I think the best tank was high fourteens or something like that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 15s):

The highest I’ve gotten in The truck I think is 13. Yeah. Seven 13 piece. The hand

Sean P. Holman (14m 21s):

Calculator or what the screen says with a screen, it’s wrong because you’re not calibrating. It’s on

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 25s):

30 sevens. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (14m 26s):

So you’re not calibrated number one. And then number two, it’s always about, even once you calibrate, they’re about half a mile per gallon optimistic. Mm. Almost all Stellantis products. Really? Yeah. Which is super annoying. You know what’s funny is I, I get in just about any stellantis vehicles, always like half a mile optimistic. I get in the CRV

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 45s):

And it’s under,

Sean P. Holman (14m 46s):

It over performs no, is literally the exact same as hand calculated. Oh really? Every time. Mind blowing. I’m like, how, how can they get it? So Right. And nobody else can,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 54s):

I mean, Honda and Toyota get a lot of things right. That the American car companies can’t.

Sean P. Holman (14m 57s):

Just saying it’s like it’s literally the same 10th on the back every time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 3s):

Well, you, you’re trading excitement for, for boring and accurate. I get it.

Sean P. Holman (15m 7s):

But why can’t excitement be accurate too? The Speedo’s, right. It knows how much Gas’s metering through that monster. You know, here’s the other thing I realized. So those of you with big truck engines will get this, but so when I’m idling the 3 92, it has an adverse effect on fuel economy. When I’m idling the Honda, the Honda just, it’ll idle for five or six days. It doesn’t care. And it’ll probably still pull out 20 miles per gallon on the tank. There’s this delta of how much fuel it takes to dump in the 3 92 at idle that you need to be going at least like 20 miles an hour to get some decent fuel economy that’s over like, you know, 15 or something. Well, I mean,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 45s):

It ultimately is about, I mean, This, Is a a question for Gale Banks because he is famous for coming up with the actual horsepower required for the engine to run itself. In the case of my truck for example, it’s just shy, like 49 horsepower just to run itself just to idle. It’s exerting four, almost 50 horsepower

Sean P. Holman (16m 7s):

Just to sit there and run because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 9s):

It’s, it’s turning a blower that barely gets,

Sean P. Holman (16m 10s):

But what’s what’s interesting is it’s like if I’m steady state in the 3 92 at 60, it’ll be doing 22 miles per gallon. You know, you move it up to 75 and that drops down to about 14 and a half 80. It’s about 14 maybe high thirteens. But there’s this delta of the 3 9 2 needs to be having some sort of rolling movement before it becomes anything that resembles efficiency. Whereas the Honda, it just is efficient all the time. It can just idle. It doesn’t care. It’s like a,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 39s):

It’s like a generator. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (16m 40s):

Well you sit there at a light and you don’t watch your miles per gallon go down as you’re sitting at the light you do in the 3 92. So it’s kinda weird having the little tiny, you know, two liter ish four cylinder and a 6.4 liter V eight and it’s two completely dissimilar driving experiences. And no

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 59s):

Tur no turbo on that CRV either. No.

Sean P. Holman (17m 1s):

And speaking of, so Gail has a black wing that’s been in the shop,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 6s):

Just got it back this morning. All right,

Sean P. Holman (17m 7s):

Well he still had that pile of Cadillac CT S five, whatever the, the, the v or excuse me, whatever the SUV version is, the five,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 15s):

It’s like a, it’s like a wagon that someone put helium in it, it just looks

Sean P. Holman (17m 18s):

Boom. It’s, it’s dumb. And Gail hates that thing. Hates

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 21s):

It. He was telling a pretty funny story while you were there about his one Wheel peels. Like he’s, he’s like, oh yeah, it’s got torque steer driving me fricking crazy.

Sean P. Holman (17m 27s):

Oh yeah. He, he was very angry about that. But he comes out, sees me in the cv and the first thing he says to me is, well that doesn’t look like a race car. And I looked at him, I’m like, says the guy, he was driving the mommy mobile with the Cadillac badge engineering. And he goes, it’s a loner. And I’m like, well, yeah. So is this This Is my daughter? So we basically just traded insults in the middle of the street between the two cars that aren’t really our, our, our normal cars that we would associate with each other. Yeah. Which was pretty funny. And there’s a couple, I think Steven was walking by. There’s some guy that’s coming outta that other banks building and they’re just watching like basically

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 59s):


Sean P. Holman (17m 59s):

Gail and I just throwing verbal jabs at each other from, from opposite ends of the street. It was pretty funny.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 4s):

Yeah. I’ve been stealing whatever vehicle is just leftover at the end of the night. And it’s was that crappy gray 20 2007. Nobody liked that. That I had, that I had two 12. Why did people

Sean P. Holman (18m 14s):

Want the old dooly where like the seat springs are coming up through where your butt cheeks go. People drive that all day long. That’s you,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 20s):

That’s what I’m driving now. Alright. What? So tonight I drove the 2007 and half. Okay. ’cause normally

Sean P. Holman (18m 25s):

You have the gray one that No, that’s like the bastard child.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 28s):

Well there’s, so there’s two, they look identical. One is oh seven and one is the 12. And they’re this that, that dark gray metallic. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (18m 35s):

And granite crystal metallic.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 36s):

So the 12 right now has no air conditioning and no heat, so whatever. It’s just whatever ambient is. So that one sucks balls to drive. But the, I’m, I’m driving the dually so I’m, I’m pulling out as Gail is, is is pulling out at the same time. And, and he looks across at me and he goes, he’s like, why are you driving that piece of, I’m like, and it’s it’s a, it’s baseball. He owns it. Yeah, he owns, it’s his, he’s just, he thinks it’s funny. He is like, why do we still have that? I’m like, ’cause everyone loves it.

Sean P. Holman (19m 5s):

I drive it. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 6s):

I because I’m driving it. Yeah. ’cause it’s, there’s just something about that, that old oh seven body style, you know, when the dually looks cool and I don’t know. And someone put the dually wheels backwards, the insides on the outside and the outside and the inside. How do

Sean P. Holman (19m 19s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 19s):

Know. And so we had powder coated, the outers, I don’t know, two, three years ago said they looked decent. They were, you know, matte black. Well they flipped them. So now the in insides are on the outsides and they’re so rusted and it just looks so ridiculous and so embarrassing. I’m like, how, how does that even happen? That’s

Sean P. Holman (19m 35s):

Just dumb.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 36s):

It’s dumb. Alright, I wanna, are you ready to call Jim Pickering Beaverton Valley Times bestselling author?

Sean P. Holman (19m 41s):

Is he though?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 42s):

I don’t know. I made it up. ’cause he’s from Beaverton. Well, let’s ask him. All right, let’s dial.

Jim Pickering (19m 54s):

Hey guys.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 55s):

Jim, it’s Lightning and Holman Trunk Show podcast. How you doing? Good,

Jim Pickering (19m 59s):

How are you? We’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 60s):

Great. Fantastic. We’re ready to, we’re ready to talk C tens c twenties book

Sean P. Holman (20m 4s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 5s):

On Link

Sean P. Holman (20m 6s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 6s):

So much. Exactly.

Sean P. Holman (20m 8s):

But we can’t do it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 8s):

We’ve gotta jingle

Sean P. Holman (20m 9s):

Till we play our jingle first.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 11s):

Don’t move. Alright,

Jim Pickering (20m 12s):

Go for it.

6 (20m 12s):

Pull up a stool and share, pull up a stool and share a story. Pull up a stool and share.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 22s):

How about you pull up a stool and share with us. Jim, I hear that you are the number one bestselling author on the book list at Beaverton Valley Times. Is that true?

Jim Pickering (20m 33s):

I don’t know that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 35s):

I just looked for the smallest newspaper I could find at Beaverton, Oregon, where you’re from. I figured that might be common. Well,

Sean P. Holman (20m 40s):

I was just gonna say, we claim to be the number one truck enthusiast podcast so we can bestow upon him. Number one author from Beaverton. I was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 47s):

Gonna say New York bestselling, New York Times bestselling author, but then

Sean P. Holman (20m 52s):

Oh, you, you mean the, the Schmos

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 56s):

Or sch Amazon bestselling author.

Sean P. Holman (20m 59s):


Jim Pickering (20m 60s):

Can, we can agree that maybe, maybe I’m the best one you’ve talked to today. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (21m 3s):

Hey, there you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 4s):

Go. See, there you go.

Sean P. Holman (21m 5s):

Works. So I am, I’m sitting here with two books and I, I got an email from a gentleman at CarTech and said, Hey, we’ve got Jim. And he has written two books for us. The Chevy, GMC trucks 73 to 87, and the Chevy GMC trucks 67 to 72. One of them is brand new, one of them is on its second printing. And we’d love to have ’em on the podcast. And so, being an old school print guy and somebody who has been around this world for 25 years and still has no idea how you get a book deal or how that works, I went, I totally want to know more.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 43s):

I was gonna say he’s holding two books in his hand. And that’s his, that’s two books more than Holman has written.

Sean P. Holman (21m 47s):

That’s right. No, I mean, I’ve literally written volumes upon volumes of stuff, but not in one coherent book cover to book cover, you know, format.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 57s):

How does this, yeah, well how did you end up getting bestowed with this, this duty?

Jim Pickering (22m 4s):

Well, it’s certainly a process. So where it started was, I’ve been in the magazine world for a long time since, geez, since about 2006. At the time that the first book came together. I was running a magazine called American Car Collector on the editorial side. And we were doing reviews, book reviews. And so I knew the people at CarTech and they would send me books to review and we would assign, have them reviewed. And that was all great.

Sean P. Holman (22m 28s):

And you said, Hey, these books are I can do better?

Jim Pickering (22m 32s):

No, no. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (22m 33s):


Jim Pickering (22m 33s):

Had happened was, I was, I was doing how to content for the magazine. I was, I was writing it and shooting it myself. And I think what happened was the guys that work at Cortex said, Hey, you know, why don’t we have him do some books for us? And they started asking. And at the time, you know, I wasn’t, I wasn’t sure I was ready to take that on because it’s 80,000 words. It’s 400 photos, you’ve got nine months to do it. And, you know, in addition to working full time and, and all, you know, I kept saying, well, I’m not sure that This Is gonna work right now. I, I need to have some more time to think about it. And I don’t have the space. You know, I didn’t have a garage that was big enough. And, and then I moved, I ended up in a bigger house with a little bigger garage and they called me at the wrong time.

Jim Pickering (23m 13s):

And either in a moment of clarity or weakness, I said, Hey, that’s how I got started with the, with the 73 to 87 book. Now, initially they wanted me to do the 67 to 70 twos and those things had exploded in the market. And I, it couldn’t make it work, you know, mathematically in terms of being able to buy one and be able to build it. And so I I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 33s):

Was gonna Jim Square Bodies first. I So you said you didn’t have a garage. Is that because I mean, most writers just write, they do research and they, after interviewing many, many people, they assemble thousands of words in a book. But you wanted to do it hands-on. Is that why you needed a garage? Yeah,

Jim Pickering (23m 50s):

So I had learned, well I have a garage. I had a garage and I, I I, at the time it was full of 66 Chevrolet, full-sized car, which is the first car that I bought way back when and have had. And so that car wasn’t gonna go anywhere and I, I didn’t have room to take another one apart and also keep my other car. So it just wasn’t gonna work. So for that reason, it, that was, that was my convenient excuse as to why I couldn’t do it. And then all of a sudden my excuse was gone. So I had to, had to try something.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 16s):

Where do you even start? I, I mean, because, and here’s why I would,

Sean P. Holman (24m 20s):

I would imagine there’s some sort of an outline, right? So for those of you who are listening, who are going, oh, you know, tell me more about these books. You have come across these books your entire automotive life, Whether, it was in a shop at a Barnes and Noble. There’s companies that have these how to completely redo x, y, z vehicle. So there is some sort of a format, right? And, and you had to figure out, can I tackle 100% of these subjects accurately to, to make a whole book out of it.

Jim Pickering (24m 50s):

Right? So the first step in this process is to have me or whoever is going to be writing, come up with an outline that has been submitted back to Car Tech and they look it over and decide whether or not that’s gonna work for them. And for me, being in the magazine world, I had learned early on that if I had to depend on other people, either owners or or suppliers or whatever, it was harder for me to, to hit my deadline because I, I was dealing with people that didn’t have to live under that same deadline. And so I knew if I was gonna do this and I was gonna, you know, take the time to write 80,000 words and shoot all the photos and all that stuff, it ha I had to control my own destiny, which meant I had to build my own truck. And so I need writing that I could control. I needed a space that I could control, control.

Jim Pickering (25m 32s):

And I needed to be able to source parts on my own timeline so that I could work it all out and still hit that deadline. And that’s, I think that’s the most challenging part of all of This Is coming up with your plan and then executing it and making sure that you actually hit that deadline. It’s a lot harder than it seems when you’re, when you’re working full time and This Is something you’re just doing side, you know,

Sean P. Holman (25m 53s):

Hey Lightning, is this the point where we realize we did the wrong jingle for him and we have to do the other one

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 57s):

You’re talking about which one? Innovator, motivator, shop talk entrepreneur. Oh, shop Talk. Oh sure. I guess we can do that. Hold on a second.

7 (26m 5s):

What’s in the shop? What’s in the shop? Does in your shop a segment where handsome guys talking about your building crazy consumption?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 28s):

I don’t know how that comes across through the phones. ’cause it’s kind of a, it’s funny to us jingle. I don’t if you get here, but it’s now it’s time to do some shop talk. So is this your truck in the 73 to 87 right inside in the, that’s page, is that officially page one? What would you call that on the right hand? I would say page one. That would be, yeah, that’d be page one. So is that your truck? That’s just the cab sitting on a, on a chassis Yep. With the four wheels. Okay. And and at what stage

Jim Pickering (26m 53s):

Did you that? In my dad’s driveway.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 54s):

Okay, got it. So then did you buy one for both the 60, 70 to 72 and the 73 to 87 books?

Jim Pickering (27m 2s):

I did, yeah. I started with, with a, the one you’re looking at there in the 73 to 87 is a 79 short bed that I found on the streets of Portland. That was, it was, it was not particularly expensive. And when I got it home, it was really good. Underneath, I think what had happened was the person who had owned it originally bought it as like a fishing truck or something. ’cause the bed was perfect and it had some fishing stickers and stuff on the back window. And then it just, by looking at The truck, it looked like somebody had, maybe the guy had died or something and he sold it to somebody else. And then it sat outside for a few years and it had, all the paint had kind of weathered down to a dull shine, you know, and it had a little bit of rust here and there, and it was, the guy had run into a couple things with it, but the bones were really good.

Jim Pickering (27m 49s):

And, you know, as I took it apart as you see in that first shot there, you know, I, I tore it basically all the way down. I didn’t take the cab off the frame because it didn’t need to, but everything else I took off and cleaned up and put back on and did a little bit of paint work to it and stuff. But, but it, that one worked out really well simply because I bought it at the right time. It was right before those trucks took off. I mean, right before they took off in value. So I got lucky on that one.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 11s):

Now did you reach out, does CarTech pick up the, you know, foot the bill for this? Or is this on you?

Jim Pickering (28m 16s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 17s):

It’s on me.

Jim Pickering (28m 19s):

You know, there’s, there’s an advance that you get for, for doing the work, but the advance doesn’t generally cover all the work that you need to do. Right. And so for me, it worked out because I had some contacts in the, in industry via the, the how to stuff that I’ve been doing before. And you know, when You call up a company and say, hi, I’m writing a book, I wanna feature your product, generally they say, yeah, that’s great. We, we’d love to do that. And you can work out a deal that way, which tends to, you know, cover some of the cost and makes it so you can do some of the things that you might not otherwise get to do.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 48s):

The subhead of these, it’s like Chevy GMC trucks 67 72, and the other one is 73 87. But the bottom How to Build and Modify This Is the guide to give you a general, like he, you’ve got specifics in here from Suspension engine, interior dash, you name it, every part of The truck, you could have gone 10 different ways on each of these trucks. You could have gone, you know, you gotta got lifted, lowered street performance. I mean, how did you decide what was right for the either you or the general populace?

Jim Pickering (29m 22s):

So generally what I tried to do with every chapter in these books is, is cover all of the bases of the things that you could do. And then I explain what I did and why I did it. So I try to explain everything as clearly as possible. Like, you know, with, with regard to the suspension, well you can, you can cut a set of coils and drop a truck that way or you know, you can buy drop spindles or you know, this, that, the other thing, however you wanna do it. I went with a coil over kit and This Is why I did it. And then you can explain what the benefits are, what the costs are, so that people can make their own decisions. Now I make it, I try to make it pretty clear at the beginning of both books that This Is just one way of a hundred thousand different ways you could go.

Jim Pickering (30m 3s):

And the point really isn’t to say you could only build it this way, but that This Is, you know, a way that you could do it and This Is how it would turn out. And it’s not as challenging as you might think. The steps are not that hard. You just begin and, and see it through. When

Sean P. Holman (30m 18s):

You’re looking at these books, the books that you’re doing in particular are How to Build and Modify versus the maybe, you know, the, the Hiltons or Cha Hanes or some of those other ones that are how to service your vehicle or how to pack a Wheel bearing. I mean, you’re really taking to the next level of how to make this truck your own. So you have a little bit more, I guess, creative leeway into how you explain the topic. Yeah. Because it’s the custom world, not necessarily the how to repair and keep your oe vehicle on the road.

Jim Pickering (30m 46s):

Right. It’s not necessarily about restoration. If I wanted to write a restoration book, it would be very different. Yeah. You know, the, the fun part for me is taking something and, and making it personalized, just like you were saying and, and having fun with it and making something that is better to drive than it would’ve been originally. More fun to drive, maybe faster, maybe stops better. The kinds of things that will make you actually want to use the vehicle, especially in modern traffic. I talk about that a little bit, I think in both books. You know, at one point I had restored a 70 2K 10, it was a orange and white Chevrolet long bed. I loved that truck. And even though it was orange, I drove it daily for a while and I, I felt like almost once a week every people were trying to run into me.

Jim Pickering (31m 27s):

I mean, they couldn’t see it. Your average commuter couldn’t see it. And it, it sort of made me believe that if you’re gonna drive an older, older vehicle, I don’t care what it is, you need to have a little bit of an edge over your average daily driver. It needs to have stop better stopping ability, better acceleration, better handling, whatever, just so that you can survive. You know,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 47s):

What do you, what do you mean, Jim? By the, the orange, you’re saying like because of the sunset or something? I don’t, I don’t understand that they couldn’t see you.

Jim Pickering (31m 54s):

It was, it was a bright orange truck and even though it was bright orange, they’re too busy looking at their phones, they’re playing with the radio or whatever. Your average commuter are just not paying attention. And so even though my truck was neon orange, they

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 5s):

Still couldn’t see it. Oh, I see what you’re saying. Got it. Yeah. So when You started, some of the preface in these books you’re talking about, you’ve got a laundry list of the people that helped you including your father. Yeah. But you even think like, oh yeah, the, the, the guy who taught you how to weld basically and gave you your first welder. So you literally started from the beginning. He

Sean P. Holman (32m 24s):

Has to come up with 80,000 words.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 26s):

No, I mean this, that’s right before he gets into the meat of the book, he’s like, look,

Sean P. Holman (32m 29s):

Look at the part where he says the LS is very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very popular. Oh really?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 34s):

Yeah. Six varies.

Sean P. Holman (32m 36s):

That’s how I write. So I assume everybody else does.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 38s):

I was just joking with someone, one of the guys at work, he was looking at a huge project and it’s like, I am overwhelmed. And so you must have had to design this truck and say, I’m gonna build a whole truck myself. How do I do this? And then you had to, you had to learn all the skills, all the metalwork skills and everything else. Take, take us through that.

Jim Pickering (32m 56s):

I wanted to be as genuine as possible. And with regard to the first book that I did, one of the biggest regrets that I had was that I didn’t buy a long bed and cut it down. Because I feel like with truck values where they are right now, that’s what a lot of guys are gonna have to do if they wanna build something like what they see in the magazines, right? And so, but I ended up buying a short bed because it was cheap enough. And I, I, I feel like I got lucky in that sense. And so when I got to the point where I was gonna build the second book or the second truck for the second book, I knew that the first thing I had to do was cut a bed down. But I have never welded before in my life. So this was the kind of thing that I thought was sort of a legitimizing thing. I’m, I’m gonna have to learn this too, you know.

Jim Pickering (33m 39s):

And so the first thing I did was call a couple of friends of mine. You know, I’ve been in the, in the, in the magazine and the, just the hot rod world for a long time. I grew up next door to a guy that built street rods when I was a little kid. And he’s the guy that that lent me his welder. You know, I have some friends that paint cars and, and some other people. And I just started asking questions, you know, what is it I need to do? What do I need to set up? How is this gonna work so that I can make this happen? You know, I picked up a door scan that was off in El Camino and just immediately started cutting it up and welding it back together. It best I could to learn the settings on the welder. And here’s what happens if you go too fast happens

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (34m 13s):

Badly happens if you’re setting, how badly, how badly were you booing it up? At first

Jim Pickering (34m 17s):

It was terrible. It was really bad. And you know, it’s, it’s, and I talk about that in the book. If you’re gonna try and do this, the best thing you could do is just begin. Right? You just get some spare metal and start playing with it. It’s not rocket science. You can figure it out. Right. And, and that’s what I ended up doing. You know, I, I burnt some holes in the bed when I was welding it back together, but it worked

Sean P. Holman (34m 37s):

Out. No, you just fill those up. It’s no big deal. Okay, so going back to the books, the 67 to 72 book is new. Our understanding is the 73 to 87 you wrote a while back and now it’s on its second printing. So let’s talk about the demand. Obviously you and I both live in worlds where we’re hanging on to print, we have, you know, associations with print magazines, you’re writing books. What does that look like? Who’s buying those books today? And obviously there’s enough of a market out there that CarTech commissioned you to do the 67 to seven two book.

Jim Pickering (35m 9s):

Yeah, I mean, it seems like there’s, there’s a really robust market for it and more so than I expected that there would be, you know, I I, I look in on the Amazon rankings every once in a while just to see how it’s doing. And it, both of the books tend to, to rank fairly high up just in terms of searches. So I know people are out there looking for ’em. And, and I can tell you from my own use patterns, having a book in hand is really handy when you’re working on something because you don’t have to go back and find the webpage. You don’t have to go back and try and find the video.

Sean P. Holman (35m 41s):

An ad doesn’t load in the middle of your reading. Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35m 44s):

You know what, and a highlighter, it doesn’t work on YouTube. You can’t highlight with a, you know, a bright yellow marker. You can scribble all over these things Yeah. And come back or dog ear the pages and come back and go, I really like that break setup. And then come back to it, you know, a few months later when You got the cash.

Jim Pickering (35m 58s):

You know? And I think there’s definitely something to be said for having all of those things on the web and, you know, that that is definitely a, a benefit to everybody, but print is not dead the way that people say it is. And, and I think that’s been obvious, at least in the book sales, in, in, in it, these last two, that people are interested in it and they are buying ’em. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 17s):

Well, when You look at the,

Jim Pickering (36m 18s):

And, and for the advertisers or for the people that are supplying the parts, you know, the, the, the people that are buying the books are, are spending, you know, 30 bucks on a book and that is a qualified potential buyer of their products. And

Sean P. Holman (36m 31s):

Let’s face it, a lot of This Is evergreen, right? Like the tech that you’re writing about today is still going to the, the parts may change and evolve a little bit, but overall these vehicles and the tips that you’re sharing are gonna be good. If I were to pick up this book in 20 years or something like that, it would, it would still be valuable.

Jim Pickering (36m 46s):

That’s the hope.

Sean P. Holman (36m 49s):

Now do you ever hear back from people, any readers, do they try and reach you and say, Hey, my dad and I finished this project thanks to your book, or you inspired me to take it my project a certain direction? Or is it sort of just you throw it out into the ether and it is what it is?

Jim Pickering (37m 5s):

It’s a little bit of both. I did just this last weekend meet up with a guy who bought my book at Cars and Coffee here in town because he had a bunch of questions about his own 67 C 20 and he wanted to see mine and he wanted to ask his questions and let me see his, and try to come up with, work with him to come up with a plan for what he should attack and how he should attack it. And that was pretty fun just to, to look over this guy’s truck and, and to, to see what it is, you know, he’s eager to do and, and to have him look at mine and can point out the things that I think could, could have been done, done better on mine and things that he could do to his, it was, it was pretty fun. And that kind of stuff does happen from time to time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 43s):

Within three pages of opening up the first book, the 67 72, I learned that these trucks, the Chevy trucks were called action trucks. And I look at home and yeah, the action line, I said, what? All these years I never knew they were called action the action line since when what

Jim Pickering (38m 3s):

That was a GM thing and I guess it just never took off. I mean, they wanted to call the square bodies, the rounded line, and that was completely opposite of what, so there you go. I mean it’s, they, they can’t dictate everything. I guess

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 16s):

You go, you weave history throughout these books. It’s not just how to articles. You, you tell backstory, you give production quantities of, of all the different years C tens versus C twenties and the K trucks and stuff like that. But something I also learned that you, you talked about when the muscle car revolution happened, they quickly went up in price and they pushed a lot of enthusiasts who couldn’t afford those into trucks.

Sean P. Holman (38m 41s):

A hundred percent. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 42s):

I didn’t know that. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (38m 43s):

So basically once the Mustangs I watched that happened. Yeah. Once the Mustangs and Camaros were gone, two things happened. The Mopars got popular and the Chevy and Ford trucks got popular because if you think about it, in the sixties, a lot of those vehicles were all parts bin vehicles. So there’s a lot of part parts of Mustangs in the, in the trucks and there’s a lot of Camaro parts that were shared with the Chevy trucks. And so to get that V eight rear Wheel drive experience, that was the next best thing that the muscle cars was the trucks. And that’s when You saw trucks really take off is once all the really good Mustangs and Camaros were gone, it kind of pushed everybody. Now the Mopars are getting rare. The Ford and Chevy 67 70 twos are getting rare. So you’ve seen people move into square bodies and if you want a truck of that vintage, really it’s the Dodge trucks that are starting to take off, or even more so seeing a lot of the internationals now,

Jim Pickering (39m 28s):

I feel like we all should have seen this coming from a mile away. I mean, I, I watched a friend of mine in, I think it was 1999, he had a 70 C 10 and he had a 71 Chevelle. And this kid was, you know, 18 years old. And I thought for sure he was gonna sell The truck and build the Chevelle. And what he ended up doing was selling the Chevelle and using it to paint The truck. And I thought, what is happening here? You know? ’cause back then the Chavelle was the car that all of my friends wanted, you know, and, and here’s this kid who was selling it and, and using the money to build a truck. And I’m happy to say, you know, 23 years later he still has that truck and it still looks wonderful. That same paint job looks really great. I see him at the same cars in coffee fairly regularly. And so, yeah, I mean it, with muscle cars going where they went, it was only, it was inevitable.

Jim Pickering (40m 13s):

I think that the trucks were gonna come up in value because that’s what people were buying and building and underneath, like you guys were saying, they’re basically the same thing. Small black Chevys, big block Chevys, turbo, 400 transmissions, four speeds. I mean, you solid axles, the 12 volt’s a little bit different in a truck versus a car. But you get the idea. I mean, you can go out and do burnouts in The truck just as easy as a can in a Camaro or a Chevelle or maybe

Sean P. Holman (40m 35s):

Anything easier because of the, the weight, yeah, the weight distribution. Plus probably on the Chevy trucks of the 67 to 72 vintage, it’s coil sprung. Right. So there’s a lot more options for handling and ride stuff that you, you know, might not think about. But it’s, it’s not that different of an experience of, of building a Camaro in like a pro street style or something like that. Like they’re, I don’t know. And I just, I love the, the, the sixties trucks that 67 72 Whether, it’s the F 100 or Whether, it’s the C 10 when they’re lowered and they’re wide and they have the right Wheel and tire fitment on ’em. There’s just, there’s just nothing better. And it’s funny because if you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 10s):

Like that better than the square body.

Sean P. Holman (41m 11s):

Yeah. I mean I, I like the square body, but it’s a different truck. It’s, it’s,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 15s):

See I’m not a square body fan either. I know people love square bodies. It’s probably when

Sean P. Holman (41m 18s):

They grew up, right? My uncle Warren had a 85 or an 86, 1500, I think it was a 3 0 5 fire engine, red regular cab, short boxes, a short wide, and he bought that thing, brand new bench seat in the front. I remember him pulling it up to my grandma’s house for the first time. I’m like, if you look at it and you’re like, holy crap, look at that. You know? Right. I was what, probably nine years old, something like that. Maybe eight. And I, I knew an awesome red truck when I saw one. Right. Like that’s one of those ones that you’re like, man, that thing is cool,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 49s):

But they look better lowered.

Sean P. Holman (41m 50s):

They do look better lowered. Yeah. And you also don’t realize on the 67 to seven two Chevys the way the body lines are, you know, a lot of people shorten the bed of a long bed to turn into a short bed, but the color choice on that truck hides it a lot. You almost need to see it in a dark color like black we don’t realize is that the, the rear three quarter view of that pickup bed fender drops almost like it’s going in trying to be a fin of, of replicating that fin shape of those cars, that era. And if you’ve never seen it at the right angle or the right sunlight, you’ll never pick it up. And I saw, I remember the first time I saw a black C 10 67, 72 rear three quarter at the exact right light.

Sean P. Holman (42m 31s):

And I’m like, holy crap. They designed basically kind of a, a vibe of the old Chevy car fins on the side of The truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 39s):

Yeah. I’m trying to picture what you mean. Well

Sean P. Holman (42m 41s):

You can probably find a picture in this book here. Yeah. I I

Jim Pickering (42m 42s):

Sure picture you can find it in the Yeah, you can find it in the book. If, if you go to the section where I shorten the bed, there’s, there’s a, a whole part that is devoted to keeping that curve intact. You have to cut diagonally across it in order to be able to match up.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 55s):

I’m looking at it right here. Yep. Page when You, page 38, step 10. And and

Jim Pickering (43m 0s):

That’s, that’s from a guy named Kyle Berg, that’s metal ox down in Arizona. That’s his method for shortening a bed. And he’s quite good at it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 8s):

I’ve heard of metal locks. He’s a legend. Yeah. And so a couple questions. Yeah. One, why were they producing so many long beds and why does no one want a long bed today? ’cause personally I think the long bed is better looking when it’s lowered. I don’t know about like yeah, regular height or lifted, but lower to long bed just looks so cool. It’s like a freight train and, and the follow up. Oh

Jim Pickering (43m 30s):

Yeah. The proportions are just right. Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 32s):

Yeah. And the follow up, why is Arizona, we’ve talked about this before, the, the mecca of the C 10 culture today, they’re everywhere, but really, is it? Yeah. Yeah. So first thing is, is beds and second thing is Arizona.

Jim Pickering (43m 47s):

Well I think you get a lot of farmers back in the day that bought trucks to be used as trucks, right? And so your vast majority of pickups, because they are designed to be pickups, they’re just gonna have a long bed. That’s, I think most people when they’re buying a truck to be used when it was new, were just buying ’em that way because that was the most useful option for them. And in terms of whether or not that’s popular, I think a lot of that comes down to the collector world. And a lot of that comes down to what fits in a garage. Ah, you know, a a short bed will fit in the same place a Camaro will fit, you know, and, and a long bed takes a lot more space. And if you’re gonna build something that, if you’ve got the room, that’s great. But, you know, I, I think you’re right that the, the proportions are, are right when you’ve got a lowered long bed.

Jim Pickering (44m 29s):

I mean,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 29s):

I, I have no idea, Jim, that, that, for example, in 1971 they made the half-ton C 10 short beds. They made 53,000 of the half-ton c 10 long beds, Homan, how many do you think they made?

Sean P. Holman (44m 41s):

102 hundred 74.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 43s):

224,000. Ah,

Sean P. Holman (44m 45s):

So close.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 45s):

So like 53,000 to 224,000.

Sean P. Holman (44m 49s):

Well, you have to remember back then people didn’t use their truck as a personal use vehicle as they do today. And collectors today they want something sporty with a Wheel base that approximates the muscle cars ’cause it handles better and it, and basically looks better and has more of a sporty, a sporty vibe to it. But yeah, back then, you know, a personal use pickup truck was like the, the nice truck you take to to church. But the long bed was the, you know, or to town and the long bed was the one with hay bales in the back and, and, you know, doing work with,

Jim Pickering (45m 17s):

And that really gets to the heart of why these trucks are popular right now also. And that’s simply because this, these trucks are built, were built in the era where pickups were becoming something that people drove for more than just work. You know, you’re, you’re 67 and newer trucks, you’re starting to see things more frequently like power steering, like air conditioning, power brakes. Things that are, you would be more likely to see in cars are starting to make their way into pickups. And the nice thing about that, at least for people these days is that your vehicle, your pickup looks and feels like an old truck, but it doesn’t necessarily drive like one, even one that it hasn’t been modified. It still has the option of having power, power steering and power brakes and air conditioning and, and some of the nicer things on the inside that make it more comfortable to use.

Sean P. Holman (46m 3s):

Well if they ever do a 67 to seven two Ford one, I’ll, I’ll just donate my truck to the cause ’cause it’s been sitting for about five years under a, a tarp and a warehouse. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 11s):

Yeah, you don’t know about that, that that project went south anyway.

Sean P. Holman (46m 15s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 15s):

Well wait, wait. He has to answer the Arizona thing first

Sean P. Holman (46m 17s):

Because it’s dry. Right? Right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 19s):

Is it dry? Is it simple as that’s dry? Is it?

Jim Pickering (46m 22s):

Well, I think that’s the big thing. I think the The truck down there, and it’s the same thing for where I found my 67. Right. I I, I had learned early on that if I was gonna build one of these trucks, I needed to find one that came from a dry place because they all rust in the same places and I didn’t wanna devote a lot of time to rust repair. So it was gonna be the desert somewhere. I ended up going north, I went to the Tri-Cities up in Washington State and found my, my truck in a wrecking yard up there. But down in Arizona, I mean, they’ve got different problems that their, their window seals are all dry rotted and, and cracking, you know, from the sun. And you know, the interiors are shot and the dash pads are shot, but the metal is all in really good shape. Why? Because it doesn’t rain. It’s just, I think it’s as simple as that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 2s):

Speaking of Russ, now you can buy basically any of these trucks, all the parts you need, you can call it brother’s trucks basically. And buy every panel. You

Sean P. Holman (47m 12s):

Can rebuild one from scratch. All us

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 13s):

From, you don’t even need The truck, you

Sean P. Holman (47m 15s):

Just need a frame. You call, yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 16s):

You get the chassis right. There’s,

Sean P. Holman (47m 18s):

You get the wiring harness, you get the suspension, you can get wheels and tires, get brake lines, steel lines, steering,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 23s):

Wheel, interior. Like literally you don’t even need the original. I mean, if you could make up a vin, which I’m sure some people have, you know, it’s like, it’s like a Harley. You just do a special construction C 10. I guess my question is at, at what point does it not become a, the real deal anymore? Because you can buy all of these pieces. Like where do you stop?

Jim Pickering (47m 46s):

That’s a good question. And it’s funny, I, I spent a lot of time defending some of the choices that I made when I built my pickup. And, and some of those things are the original bench seat, the original gauges with their weathered, you know, needles that aren’t quite orange anymore. And to me there’s kind of an x factor there of the bits and pieces that are still original that make it feel old, make it feel like that truck that I remember my, my dad having when I was a little kid or you know, that I worked on when I was early on in the days when I was wrenching as a, as a mechanic, that kind of stuff. And, When, you build one from scratch. I mean, they’re great ’cause you can have everything brand new if that’s what you want. But it does miss something there.

Jim Pickering (48m 26s):

I think that there, the, the evidence of the passage of time is, is sort of an important part to the whole process. And you won’t only get that with The truck that’s been around the block a few times.

Sean P. Holman (48m 37s):

All right. I’ve got a question similar to the start of lightning’s question, but I’m gonna finish differently. You could have any of these trucks, all the parts to build it. Which one are you choosing? Are you going with the 67 to 72 or are you going with the 73 to 87 and why? Knowing what you know from, from doing these books?

Jim Pickering (48m 54s):

That’s a good question. I think the 67 to 72 is my favorite. That’s what I would’ve done out of the gate, simply because I’ve, I’ve had a number of them and they’ve, there’s just something about ’em. I mean, if you’ve ever owned one, it, it’s, it’s really hard to sell it and you always end up buying it back in some shape or form, right? And they just, we their way into your life and then you’re stuck. You’ve just become a truck person and, and all of a sudden you’re a C 10 guy, you know? And, and you don’t really know how it happened, but it did. And so for me, I think that’s, that’s where I would, I would go again if I was gonna do it again. But at this point, you know, it’s, it’s funny when I build these trucks and write these books, I’m looking at it in terms of content and different steps, you know, different chapters.

Jim Pickering (49m 36s):

I’m not looking at it in terms of building a finished product and every time, and I should, and it sounds funny to say every time, but both times I’ve kind of come out of it at the end and, and sat up and looked at this thing and gone, oh, that, that’s actually a pretty cool truck. It’s, it’s all come together into something. And the point was to do each of the steps and to document each of the steps. And it wasn’t to build a, you know, a perfect vehicle for the end product.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (49m 57s):

Has anyone Penn anything for a car tech for the 64 to 66?

Jim Pickering (50m 2s):

Not that I know of. I think that’s one that they’ve been trying to assign. I know they had some Fords that they wanted to do and I think there’s an OBS one in the works right now for the newer trucks. And I know that there’s an earlier one. I think there’s a, a 47 to 54 that is complete, I think, I’m not sure, but I’d have to go back and look.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 21s):

Yeah, because I hadn’t seen anything on the, I built a 66 recently, Holman bought it for a dollar for me as a, as a present, not officially present.

Sean P. Holman (50m 29s):

Only the half the world knows about that. Yeah, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 31s):

Know because

Sean P. Holman (50m 32s):

The historical revisionist that went on in the, the public story of the vehicle. But yeah, anyway, but that’s beside the point.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 38s):

So bought one that it was running and driving from one of our listeners, thank you Sean, for selling that to us. And then we sunk a few hundred thousand dollars into it and turned it into a SEMA truck and then

Sean P. Holman (50m 50s):

Against all good advice, against

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 52s):

All good advice. And, and when it, when we had sunk many hundreds of thousands of dollars into the vehicle, I had to give the pink slip to the company that did all that work that I work for. And it is no longer mine. And it is, although it does feel original and old because we used a lot of the rusty body. I mean it’s just, there’s a lot of rust holes in it still. We repaired the panels that we didn’t want to leak and also were safety issues. But everything else you can still see the rust in the original patina and, you know, dropped in a supercharged duramax and a four nine inch Nice. And, you know, sitting on a Roadster shop chassis and all that stuff.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 34s):

And we are is

Sean P. Holman (51m 35s):

That a humble brag about Yes, you, the book you should have written?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 38s):

I, I don’t have the talent or the skills to, to write a book like this that like Jim has. But it would be interesting to, I I didn’t have any reference material other than YouTube videos. There was no book that I could find. Right. So I would be excited for something for the 64. 66.

Jim Pickering (51m 54s):

Yeah, absolutely.

Sean P. Holman (51m 56s):

So Jim, your day job you said was with linkage mag dot com so Linkage Magazine. Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Jim Pickering (52m 4s):

Yeah, so Linkage is a magazine that I worked, I, I founded with Don Osborne and the re museum and Chester Allen, who was an executive editor that I worked with for, she’s over 15 years at Sports Car Market prior. And we began this whole project back in the summer of 2020 with the idea being that, you know, that you get people that buy and restore cars over and over and over again. They’re in the market to, you know, to build and, and to have these cars that they spend way more than they’re worth to build. And then they turn around and sell ’em for less than they, you know, they actually have in them. And then they go and do it again. The whole idea behind this thing was trying to explain the passion behind the car world that’s driving these people to do this stuff.

Jim Pickering (52m 47s):

And the way that we look at it is, well, if you break passion down it’s experiences, opinions, and values, right? That those are the three things that kind of drive people to do what they do in the car world. And so we decided that we would build a magazine that was aimed at those three pillars and try to sort of track what’s happening in the car world via those topics. And so that’s what we’ve been doing. We’ve, we started out as a quarterly, now we’re a bimonthly and we’ve got some great columnists. We’ve got some great features that we put in there. We cover some auction stuff so that people can track the market and see what’s happening in, in the auction world. And it’s, it’s been a lot of fun. It’s, it’s printed on High-end paper and you know, each issue is about 188 pages, I think right now. And it’s been, it’s been growing pretty significantly over the past couple years.

Jim Pickering (53m 31s):

And, and we hope to see it do even better.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 34s):

And so you are tracking, I mean some of the on on the homepage, which is linkage mag dot com talking about these auctions, you’re everything from like a 22 bug Bugatti Sharon at $4 million at auction, four GT $4 million at auction, $4.4 million at auction. Like so you go from these crazy expensive cars to not as crazy, are you following the vehicle or following the event?

Jim Pickering (54m 1s):

We tend to do a little bit of both. Okay. So a good example would be we went down to Scottsdale, Arizona for the big auctions that happen every January. And we covered cars at Bear Jackson and we covered cars at the bottoms auction at, at RM Sotheby’s and that, who was the other one? Was

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 22s):

It Mecu?

Jim Pickering (54m 23s):

There was, yeah. No, no, not Mecu. ’cause Meum wasn’t Kissimmee, but you’re right, it was Mecu on the other side of the country. So we covered that one. In addition, the idea being that we can pick and choose cars that actually matter to the market. We, you know, the people that I work with that do the, the market side of things, I, I was the auction editor over at Sports Car Market for a very long time. So I’ve tracked the market and I’ve, I worked with people that have tracked the market for a long time. We’re able to pick and choose cars that are selling at auction that tell, tell an actual story about what’s happening in the market, you know, and, and the people that I work with know what they’re looking at and they know when they see something that is noteworthy and and means something, you know, it’s not just picking a car that sold for a big number. It’s, it’s picking a car to write about that it has changed since the last time we saw one in some kind of a significant way.

Jim Pickering (55m 6s):

So either up or down or, or

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 8s):

Whatever. So then let me ask you this. So you, I’m sure you are very well aware of, of bring a trailer and how they’ve kind of changed the dynamic of like how you sell your vehicle and how they editorialize vehicles that really wasn’t done. I mean we had I, Autotrader and all these, you know, the places you buy

Sean P. Holman (55m 28s):

Cars back, there’s and day nuts and bolts, but there’s never the story behind it. There’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 31s):

No story. And then they kind of made it a thing, right? It’s

Sean P. Holman (55m 34s):

Because all the people on Craigslist started going viral with all their hilarious stories about the vehicles and people realized, holy crap, it’s the story that sells. And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 44s):


Sean P. Holman (55m 44s):

That how it happened on the media side? We’ve known that forever. We know that it’s all about the, the, the narrative,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 49s):

Right? No, but no, but did bring a trailer happen because it cart

Sean P. Holman (55m 52s):

I I don’t know. But that’s, that’s the, that’s the chronological order of what happened is you start getting those Craigs Craigslist ads going viral and all of a sudden now telling a story that goes along with the vehicle is suddenly an important part of the, the car buying process. but

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 5s):

Like bring a trailer can anoint a vehicle and say, This Is, why this 91 Toyota pickup is worth this, blah blah, blah, blah.

Sean P. Holman (56m 11s):

Well today they can, today they can, they

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 13s):

Kind of did that right outta the gate,

Jim Pickering (56m 15s):

I think a blog.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 16s):

I thought they did that kind of right outta the gate. They,

Jim Pickering (56m 19s):

It was a blog that went around a small group of people that basically just tracked cars that they found online that were really interesting. It, it started out really just as a, a place for information and it evolved into an auction after a number of years of just being, you know, an interesting place to go and, and spend some, some coffee break time when You were at work and they changed everything when they started their auctions. And in the entire auction world kind of got turned on its ear because all of a sudden you didn’t have to ship your car car across the country and, and run it across a block as your only option. I mean, eBay was also a thing, but, but bring a trailer brought with it this, this base of commenters that would weed out stuff that wasn’t legit.

Jim Pickering (57m 3s):

And so it, it totally changed everything ’cause it wasn’t just auctions, it wasn’t just cool cars, it was also social media based on people that knew what they were talking about and was self-policing. It was brilliant in what they did. And so it, you know, it, it deserved to change the world in the way that it did because it was so special. But they gave us the roadmap for all the other auction houses to survive covid because all of a sudden all these auctions couldn’t host their events anymore because people couldn’t be around each other. They all went online and they all tried to make something similar to what bring a trailer was doing. Some of them were successful and some of them weren’t. And some of them are still doing it, some of them aren’t. But it’s, it’s definitely a, a sea change, right?

Jim Pickering (57m 44s):

When that, when that launched it, it changed everything.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 48s):

So having attended so many of these auctions, and to be honest with you, I I think I’ve only attended one of my life, I I would love to attend the more, but is it about the car or is it more about the experience? Is it about showing off how much cash you have in front of other wealthy people? What’s the dynamic at a Barrett Jackson or a Mecu?

Jim Pickering (58m 10s):

Well, every auction’s different. Every auction location is different. Every auction company is different and it really depends on the cars that are being offered and, and who’s in the room to get them. Now at a place like Barrett Jackson, I think there’s definitely an aspect of people that want to, to show up on TV that they’re doing this and that they’re buying a car. But at the same time, you can’t just chalk up their numbers to that because they, they continually break records and do what they do, right? It keeps happening. You know, we talk about The truck World, I’ve been watching The truck values for the last decade and every year I think, well, they’re gonna go back down. This was just a, you know, a flash in the pan kind of thing. People are gonna come to their senses and trucks are gonna go back to where they were and it still hasn’t happened. Why? Because the, the demand is there.

Jim Pickering (58m 53s):

And I think that’s what you see at a place like Bear Jackson. You, you’re seeing the demand. It’s definitely a lifestyle experience when You go to a Bear Jackson auction. And I think Mecu is a lot like that. And, you know, the, the Mecu auctions that I’ve been to have been very much, I think more about the cars than they are about the lifestyle. But there’s a lot of that sort of same sort of stuff happening in both locations. And then when You go up into the, the more boutique, smaller events like your RM Sotheby’s or your Gooding auctions or your bottom sales, those guys, they tend to have a very, very high level of car. And you’re talking like the bluest of blue chip cars and buyers, multi-million dollar cars going up for sale and you know, people that know very, very well what they’re buying and why they’re buying it.

Sean P. Holman (59m 43s):

Well, and I, I think even at some of the, let’s say middle range type of builds that, that go for big dollars outta Mecca or outta Bear Jackson or some of these auctions, I think there’s sort of the mystique of these vehicles are starting to become a little bit more rare on the open market and the ones that are available require a lot of work. And I think people are willing to pay a premium to have something done at, at a level of quality, which would be hard for them to replicate for the same dollar amount if they don’t, you know, they may have the, the resources but they may not have the time or they may not wanna wait that long and they’re willing to pay that premium. And I think as things become more scarce, you know, it’s funny, we’re looking at vehicles now that are probably in some places being redone for the third time.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 27s):

These are, you know, 50, 60-year-old vehicles. Maybe they had a a, a mild restoration in the seventies or or eighties and then maybe they had a rest mod in the nineties and now, you know, they wanna do like a, a pro street tour or something like that, or pro tour or whatever. And maybe it was the grandpa passed it down to the, the dad who passed it down to the sun and then, you know, their style is completely different, right? Either they wanna do it in their own way, but it’s the same truck. So we’re starting to look at things that are being redone several times over because the supply in the world is dwindling and then also just the sentimental value is worth money to people.

Jim Pickering (1h 1m 4s):

Yeah. And I think the, the whole point about buying one done versus having to go through the trouble of doing it yourself was laid bare in 2020, specifically at Bear Jackson. We saw numbers like we haven’t ever seen on cars that were selling crazy and it was because the cars were done and you couldn’t get parts. Yep. And you couldn’t even

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 21s):

Get new cars.

Jim Pickering (1h 1m 22s):

People all of a sudden. No, I mean, and people were like, well, you know, you only live once. Now’s a chance to, to buy the thing I’ve always wanted. And yeah. And I think we’re seeing a lot of that in the market. People are still wanting that they’re buying the things they’ve always wanted because they’ve always wanted it. And now’s the time. And for better or for worse, here we are.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 38s):

What have you seen in The truck market that’s absolutely floored you? I mean, have you seen a C 10 or C 20 just go for stupid numbers that you just could Absolutely. Who’s buying this and why?

Jim Pickering (1h 1m 48s):

Yeah, I mean, just look at, look at any of the auctions outta January from anywhere. Not just Bear Jackson or nicu, but any of the auction houses. There was one in particular that I looked over pretty closely at Bear Jackson simply because it was very close, at least fundamentally to what I built in my own garage here with the, the book truck. I mean, admittedly it had a much nicer paint job. The, I’m sure everything was done to a higher level than, you know, your average garage guy like me. But here’s this truck that’s got the same suspension kit that I’ve got online, same brakes I’ve got on mine. I think it’s an LS swap just like mine is and, and all of that good stuff. And it sold for $330,000 and this truck was on a factory frame. It wasn’t even on a, you know, a a, a fancy pro tour and chassis or anything like that.

Jim Pickering (1h 2m 33s):

It was just really nicely done. But $330,000 is nicely done. I don’t know that’s, that’s pushing it a little

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 40s):

Bit. A lot of coin or a nice house in a lot of places.

Jim Pickering (1h 2m 44s):

Yeah. I mean think of the other things you could buy with that money, you know, but to somebody that truck was exactly what they wanted and they weren’t gonna let it go. Well

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 52s):

And that’s, that goes back to the old adage of how much is it worth and it’s whatever somebody’s willing to pay. Right? I mean that’s, that’s, yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 58s):

Yeah. Hey, one of the stories on linkage mag dot com, you’re talking about the future of muscle and I, I don’t wanna talk about Muscle Cars specific, I’m gonna dovetail off of this article ’cause This Is mainly about like the Mopar scene and what they’re doing with electrics and such. But I wanted to twist this a little bit and ask you what do you think the future is of the quote unquote muscle trucks, the raptors, the TXs, and where do you think we’re going to go with the end of an era? You know, Holman on the show if you’ve listened for any length of time, you know, he’s been saying get your big V eight now because This Is it, This Is the last two raw. What’s your take?

Jim Pickering (1h 3m 34s):

I feel the same way. I think anything that’s low production, be it anything that’s been built for a specific purpose, so your raptors, your T Rx is that kinda stuff will be something people will covet. If it’s popular now, it will be even more in the future. So that is most certainly something to consider. I mean if you’re looking to buy something like this, I think you’re right. You might be looking at your opportunity pretty soon because the world is changing Now that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s gonna get worse or they’re not, the new products aren’t gonna be great, it just means that they’re different, you know, and I was on a panel at Barrett Jackson this year right before the auction and we were talking about future collectibles and, and we had to pick cars that we thought were gonna be future collectibles.

Jim Pickering (1h 4m 15s):

And one of the ones that I had on my list, I thought I was gonna get run out of the building on this one, but I had on my list Fifth Gen Toyota four Runners, simply because their body on frame SUVs, they’re pretty simple underneath, you know, V six automatic transmission, pretty straightforward, easy to come by now, but the world is shifting and it’s gonna be hard to get something that’s that basic. And you know, yeah, every fourth car on the road is a four runner, but it’s not gonna be that way forever. And also that’s the kind of thing that Dr I mean, usability and, and actual memory use memory is one of those things that drives people to wanna get something back in the future. They, people collect what they know, right? And if they had a forerunner or they rode around in a lifted forerunner or something when they were younger, that’s what they’re gonna want in the future.

Jim Pickering (1h 5m 1s):

So for me, I think it really comes down to not just limited production, but also anything that is treated as a specialty vehicle. Because if you look back and try to list out the cars that are in the collector world now and the trucks that are in the collector world now, they’re pretty much, none of them are mundane, they’re all special in some way, right? People aren’t collecting falcons, they’re collecting Shelbys. And it’s the same thing. It’s, it’s, it’s all happened before. It’s all gonna happen again.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 27s):

And I, I would, I would venture to say that the, the factory specialty vehicles are gonna have more value. I mean, everybody has gone crazy with these rest mods, which make ’em a nicer daily, but that also means that the factory fresh ones or the low mileage ones or the ones that you know, have been restored to a a pebble beach style, those are gonna be incredibly valuable because there’s just real, there’s even less of those. ’cause I think, you know, a lot of these trucks are survivors or maybe even close to going to the junkyard like mine was. So people aren’t afraid to rust mod something like that ’cause they’re taking something that would’ve gone to the junkyard and and returning it to the road. But the number of vehicles that look like it did the day it rolled off the production line is, is going to be microscopic in the next decade or two.

Jim Pickering (1h 6m 14s):

Yeah. And one of the things that we, we touched on this a little bit with the book, with the, both my books, with the history part that I have in the book, the specific reason that I included history in both cases was to try to make sure we were pointed out the things that were rare or that were uncommon in the trucks that we’re looking at specifically. So people maybe would think twice about messing up one that was special.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 38s):

Yeah, no, and and that was always the, the battle with, you know, at the magazine with magazine projects is somebody would go, oh, I can’t believe you cut up that rare Jeep or whatever. And half the staff would be like, well it’s mine, who cares? And the other half would be pure saying, well now you’ve ruined it for the next generation. And you know, with any luck these vehicles outlast us. And you really have to look at it at that. We are just the people who have them in our care for the, the amount of time they’re with us and hopefully they, they live on beyond us because it’s, it really is a nod back to a time in, in history where industry and freedom kind of intersected. Whereas today, industry has moved on to other things and, and it’s a lot harder to be free and do a burnout in the middle of the street or something like that without some camera capturing you and you know, some neighbor getting you on video or something and complaining to the cops or it just really reflects a period of time that I think is really special in car culture and in American history in general.

Jim Pickering (1h 7m 38s):

Yeah. And I think the, the key to all This Is to make sure that the people coming up behind you, your kids or whoever they may be, gets the hands-on opportunity or at least the hands-on experience to, to fall in love with these things the same way that, that we did. You know, I, I do my best to try to pick up my kids from school in the pickup when I can, right in the, in the C 20 that I built, or in my first car, the 66 that’s taken up half of my garage. Why? Because, you know, there’s gonna be a day when I’m not around, but they’re gonna remember that car or that truck and they’re gonna wanna do the same thing. You know, to me, I I just try to, I share the things with them that I think are inter interesting and that are special and, and I hope that other people do the same thing because I think that’s gonna keep the hobby moving the way that,

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 21s):

So what I’m hearing you say is that Chevy GMC trucks 67 to 1972 or Chevy GMC trucks, 1973 to 1987 would make a great gift for a young car enthusiast in your life. And you can go to car tech books dot com to get yourself a copy. And Car Tech was nice enough to give us a promo code to use. So the promo is Truck show, which will give you 20% off any titles, not just gyms. So that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 47s):

At checkout

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 48s):

And that’s at checkout. And we will put that up on our Truck show podcast website on the on the Trunk Show

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 55s):

Podcast. Podcast page. Yeah. Trunk show podcast dot com is where you go to get that promo code. Yep. Yep. Jim, congratulations on the books. These are phenomenal. And like Holman said, these are great gifts or just be selfish and buy them for yourself.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 10s):

Both books have their own Instagram page. So wait, what at 67 underscore 72 underscore build underscore and under Modify or at 73 87 underscore build underscore and underscore Modify on Instagram. And then Jim, if they wanted to follow you, do you have an Instagram bug that they could find you at?

Jim Pickering (1h 9m 30s):

Yep. I’m pick Jim. PIC Kco. J Im on in that’s on Instagram.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 35s):

You said pick Jim. Pick Jim.

Jim Pickering (1h 9m 37s):

Pick Jim. That’s me.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 38s):

I feel like that’s a political, like action, like a button, right? You wear on your chest call to action. You call to action Pick Jim. Pick Jim. When I move

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 45s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 45s):

Beaverton, I’m pick Jim.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 47s):

All right, well on on this podcast for this interview we picked Jim.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 50s):

We do.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 51s):

Alright Jim, appreciate your time and, and thanks so much for the insight and the conversation.

Jim Pickering (1h 9m 57s):

Oh, thanks so much. I really appreciate

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 58s):

It. You got it. Thanks Jim.

Jim Pickering (1h 9m 60s):

All right, bye bye. Bye.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 2s):

I don’t know when the last time we gave you an Intro, but it’s, it’s time I think. Alright,

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 9s):

I’ll, I’ll take it. I guess

Recording (1h 10m 13s):

I’ve got four big tires and some bead lock wheels. I’ve got four big tires and some bead lock wheels. I’ve got four big tires and some bead lock wheels.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 29s):

You were in Moab, which is in, is that western Utah? No, northern

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 34s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 34s):

Southeastern Utah, south. I was wrong twice. Really

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 37s):

Close. Really close At least You had Utah, right? Yeah. Yeah. So I went out to Easter Jeep Safari and it was a super, super busy week and didn’t get any audio but I thought I would just walk through some of the things and tidbits I picked up from there. So before

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 50s):

You get into what you did there, Holman, there are some listeners that probably don’t know what Moab is. Can you describe the landscape?

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 58s):

It’s a mecca for Off-Road. It’s a giant Red Rock valley with sandstone cliffs and trails and it’s amazing and it’s basically a mecca for off-roading. Although I’m Moab, I gotta just, I gotta say I’m a little bit disappointed with you now. They’ve been doing this event, the Red Rock four Wheel Drive Club for the last 50 years and or, or maybe even more. And Moab is growing up. There’s all these hotels now it’s getting blown out. I’ve been going for about 20 years and it’s just not how it used to be. And then all you guys out there with your forties and forties twos are tearing up the trail. It’s not that much fun on 30 sevens anymore ’cause everything’s so dug out from these big tires and things like that. And it’s gotta be honest, it’s starting to, starting to lose a little bit of luster for me.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 40s):

Well is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 40s):

Is it become like a party that happens to just have some offroading?

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 45s):

No. Or is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 46s):

It still about

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 46s):

It’s all about the Offroading. Okay. Yeah, basically you get there on Friday or Saturday. I camped with Matt Felman from a EV and Nick Somas from Peak Suspension. We drove out caravan out camped Friday night out by St. George. It was awesome. There’s a video that peak suspension put out. I may make a cameo in the background peeing while he is interviewing Nick on there, which is probably hilarious to some of you. Oh, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 8s):

That’s not the video that I put up with him on the banks channel with him installing the Pedal Monster.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 12s):

That’s a different video. You weren’t unless, unless I was in the background of that one as well. Relieving myself in the wilderness. So anyway, yeah, you get there, you know, on the weekend and everybody has a bunch of trails, there’s a bunch of corporate parties and stuff and the evenings and then the last couple days of Friday and Thursday and Friday is the arena where there’s big vendor show and all that and then people usually skedaddle out of their prior to Easter and it’s just a big wheeling party and there’s probably 10,000 Jeeps in town and it’s probably the only place where you don’t have to wave at every Jeep ’cause you would just constantly have your hand up. So people don’t expect it there. Has it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 43s):

Become too corporatized?

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 46s):

No, it’s not corporate at all for the most part. It’s just, it’s busy. And if I get the vibe that some of the businesses don’t really like, you don’t really want the off roaders there, even though it’s most of their, probably the majority of their income for the year or a quarter of it probably.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 2s):

But like if you’re a business it’s been going on for 50 years. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 5s):

Like get over it. There’s a lot of, I know there’s a lot of people that move there that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 8s):

Like buying a house next to an airport. Airport complaining about it. Yeah. And then complaining about the airport like, dude it was here 40 years ago. Gotta stop

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 13s):

Bitching. Yeah. That’s just how, how it is. So there’s certain businesses in town that have always been pro offroad and they remain pro offroad like the Moab Diner and Zach’s Pizza and, and places like that. But I dunno, it just, it just, the, the vibe there is changing. It’s, it’s our, our little moabs growing up and it’s just not as, I dunno, not as it used to be. It’s not bad, it’s not good, it’s just not what it used to be. But fortunately you get outta town the trails, the ones that they hit, the BLM has tried to close down are still great and there’s still a lot of fun out there. So a couple things happened. One was I had a chance to have dinner with the new head of Jeep North America. So you know that our friend Jim Morrison, friend of the show who’s been on a bunch of times, he’s moved over and he’s now running Jeep performance parts.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 60s):

And Bill Peffer who came over from Maserati, he was at Kia some other places, they had a very tight meeting with journalists or who you could meet like the off-Road folks and had a dinner with him and got to meet him. And one of the things he said in that that actually a couple things came outta that meeting.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 16s):

This Is at the

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 17s):

Dinner, This Is at the dinner and at the, the meeting prior to the dinner, one of the things that were interesting is he said that a Jeep is finally absorbing the Wagoner brand. So now be Jeep Wagoner before it was a sub-brand, it was just sort of on its own at a Jeep dealership it was, and there was no Jeep branding anywhere on the vehicle except for like inside the headlights at the base of the windshield there. Everything else had Wagoner, grand Wagoner. So now it’ll be Jeep Wagoner and Jeep Grand Wagoner the way it should have

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 40s):

Been All I did not know that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 41s):

And that’s not an uncommon thing. Most people are like, Hey that looks like a Jeep. Well it’s a Wagoner. Where do I get one Jeep dealer? Well it’s, I thought you said it wasn’t a Jeep. Right? It’s the same thing as Ford wants to have a Raptor Subbrand and Ford’s trying to have a Mustang sub-brand and, and Chevrolets talked about a Corvette sub-brand or a Camaro sub-brand. That was all the rage in the OE world for a while and it’s stupid. So stop doing that. And Jeep is bringing Wagoneers back in, which is great. They

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 4s):

Don’t even have to bring it back in, it’s already there. It’s the perception that it’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 8s):

Well, so anyway, the perception in reality will, will finally match each other on that. The other thing that he said is that he recognizes the fact that off-roading is probably gonna be a little bit slower to adopt this full EV thing. And as the company is going, you know hardcore into ev, he was talking about that Jeep will have ice longer and have a diversification of drive line, which I think you’re seeing a little bit with Dodge and the new, the charger coming out where it’s gonna be available with the, the hurricane in it, the straight six and it will be EV or it’ll be ice. I think you’ll see that with some Jeep products coming out. So that was nice to hear. And then our friend Jim Morrison caused a little bit of a viral S explosion in Moab.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 51s):

Really good or bad,

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 52s):

He brought out a four by E and on the hood said hurricane 500 on it. And all these people started taking pictures and blowing

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 59s):

Up the, oh they thought it was a 500 horsepower hurricane in

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 1s):

It. They thought it was the straight six. So everybody freaked out and was like, that’s the straight six. That’s the straight. Well what you don’t realize is the four cylinders also called hurricane and Jeep performance parts is working on a 50 state emissions tune that would bring around 500 horsepower and 500 pound feet of torque to the four cylinder. And that’s what he was promoting with that. Except everybody on the trail thought it was the straight six. And I think I’ve said on the show before, the straight six does not fit all of you. People think the hurricane is coming to the jail. It’s not coming to the jail. Why are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 32s):

They, it’s why’d they name it the same thing?

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 34s):

It’s the same engine family one’s just a four cylinder, one’s a six cylinder.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 37s):

I get that. But okay, well that there’s the confusion. Well I mean when You name it the same thing, that’s that’s what

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 41s):

You’re gonna get. But it’s the, it’s just, it’s the same engine family. It’s just one’s no different than the Mercedes and all those are the V six V eights or the four cylinder straight sixes went viral. Everybody was saying, oh it’s finally here guys. The hurricane is two or three inches too long. The JL just had mid-cycle refresh. There’s only four or five years left for that platform. They’re not gonna spend two years getting a shoehorned in there, changing the body, getting it re crashed, all the things that have to to happen. It’s not happening. So just, I’m telling you right now, it’s not happening. So wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 14s):

The the look of frustration on your face and you’re not, you’re only talking to me. Well and I feel like you’re standing in front of an auditorium right now expressing this disdain to everyone.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 22s):

And Jim was telling me that all these people were coming up to him on the trail and he goes, yeah we might have to rename it. But it was a great conversation starter. He goes, all these people wanted to know. And then when I told him what it was, they were like, oh that’s still cool. So the 500, 500 ish is with a hybrid. It’s a little bit less without the electric motor giving it the boost. So that’s gonna be really cool. He’s doing some really cool things at JPP that I think are going to be really, really rad. Jeep

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 43s):

Performance mark.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 44s):

Yes. So think about Mopar for Jeeps essentially. That was really cool. And then he brought out a bunch of vehicles and went over some of it. Well did

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 52s):

You get, wait stop, don’t blow past the hurricane 500. Did you get a chance to

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 55s):

Go in it? I did not get a chance to drive it. No, that’s not This. Is just a development. Kind of a teaser. Okay. Got a chance to see it. There’s a bunch of things that he’s working on. Can’t talk about all of ’em yet. But there’s some really cool things coming outta JPP where it won’t be the afterthought. Maybe it has been to this point.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 10s):

Damn Fargo,

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 11s):

One of the vehicles I got to drive was the gladiator with the two inch Mopar slash Jpp kit. It used to have aluminum foxes on it. They switched over to Bill Stein 51 sixties. Hmm. And it was phenomenally better in terms of ride. I took it on the trail. No more head toss. Really like nice and stable and flat while still being compliant. And I think people who are trying to decide, ’cause right now there’s a lot of fox kits that are still on the shelves and the Bill Stein kits are just hitting. We talked about it before when that press release came out I think toward the end of last year. But I hadn’t driven one and I’m like, yeah it’ll probably be better. It’s like way

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 47s):

Better. Did they change sway bars as well? Stuff like that? Or is it just shocks?

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 50s):

It’s just shocks. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 51s):

Wow really That made that big a

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 52s):

Difference. It makes massive, massive difference. And so they worked really hard on the tune on that with our friends over at Bill Stein. And I gotta tell you it’s it’s, it’s phenomenal. That kid is one I would recommend now to somebody. Yeah. Because before it was like, hmm, it felt, felt like it was half baked to be honest. Like it just didn’t feel like it was fully, I dunno fully hatched in, in my opinion. And this it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 11s):

Just threw shocks

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 12s):

On. Yeah, just the way it rode and things like that. It was just kinda like a eh meh like okay cool, you offer that, put it in your pr, your payment, whatever. Now I think somebody gets it. They’re gonna be really happy with that so. So that was a really cool,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 24s):

That sucked for those people who Yeah, bought the old one.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 26s):

The other thing Jeep brought out is you can finally get from the factory for the first time ever a two door wrangler with a 35 XR package on it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 35s):

A two door wrangler with a 35 xr. It was

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 37s):

Awesome. 35 inch tire package. Okay. Phenomenal on a two door. Looked so great. I drove. It needs about an inch more of up travel just ’cause you’re on the jounces and stuff with those big tires. But I’m gotta tell you that thing was awesome. It went over everything. There’s like almost no break over angle, no approach angle, no departure angle. It’s just fun to drive. You can squeeze it through stuff. You drove over stuff, it just didn’t care.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 1s):

Does it turn on

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 2s):

A dime? It turns on a dime. It stops on a dime. Like I would honestly be like just for like a city runabout, that thing thing would be so much fun. It’d be so much fun. And so you can get that now starting in 24 and you get all the niceties with the new dash and the giant screen and all that. And what is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 16s):

It called? Is there a name for it or?

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 17s):

No, it’s just a two a Wrangler Rubicon. But you can get the 35 inch tire package on it. So. Oh, okay. Okay. So go do that thing. If you’re gonna get one of those and you don’t want to lift it, get that and be incredibly happy and just rock on. ’cause it’s so cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 29s):

Does it come with the hurricane 500 badging on the

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 31s):

Hood? It does not. It says Rubicon ’cause hurricane 500 is not out yet. Yeah, okay. And then I also had a chance to get behind the Wheel of the, the concepts that were unveiled out at the 2024 Easter Safari. And so they had four this year. One was a redo of the wagoner that had that really cool Redtail carbon fiber rooftop tent. They kind of freshen that one up. So that was cool. But we’ve seen that one before. It used to be tan, it was out at the OVR display at LA Auto Show. If you went out to there. Now it’s mint green with a white roof and just some changes on the interior. Just freshens it up.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 3s):

Hey, do they, when when they do a color change on those trucks, are they wraps or are they actually painting

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 7s):

Them? No, they’re painting them. Oh wow. No, they’re, it’s a, it’s a full blow it apart and put it back together. They had this thing called the Jeep Willie’s dispatcher concept, which was also kind of a sea foam green. And it was designed to be kind of a mix of new and old. It had like really flat bumpers on it. A worn 82 74 winch on it. So definitely old school, big square bumpers, steely wheels, mud terrain, super traction tires to give that old school vibe. And, but it’s still a modern four XE drive train and it was cool. It was just,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 39s):

I don’t know how I feel about that mint color. Yeah. But I do like the, the setup and to go back 30 seconds you said Willy’s, but didn’t you correct me and say it’s Willis, it’s,

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 48s):

Well it should be pronounced Willis. Nobody pronounces it that way, but okay. The, the ones in the know Willis is the Correct. So the other cool thing that this had is an embossed hood graphic. So instead of just stickers on the hood, it says Willy’s on the hood, which is cool. So, oh it’s stamped. Yeah, it has that embossed vibe to it. Like a tailgate or vintage tailgate, something like that. So that was kinda cool. I wouldn’t be surprised if you saw some of these design things like the bright color with a black windshield frame come into some of the future designs if you know the history of these concepts and you know what to look for. A lot of these things end up in, in production. Then the other thing that they had there, which was interesting was the Jeep Gladiator Rubicon high top. And these were on the very first set of 40 inch BF Goodrich, KO three all terrain tires right now you will be able to get them for certain packages on the gm full-size trucks as well as the range of Raptor.

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 39s):

But they’re not in the aftermarket yet. There’s a big launch coming later this year. I’m sure we’ll cover it here on the podcast. In fact, there

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 44s):

Are a lot of people looking forward to those. KO

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 45s):

Threes massive. They’ve been 10 years since they had, they got redesigned and still one of the better tires on the market. The

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 22m 50s):

KO two’s been around for

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 51s):

Over 10 years. 10 years over 10 years. So the cool thing about the the new KO three is it’s everything you loved about the KO two with some tweaks to make it a little bit of a a a tougher, better tire with weather, better wearing, less chunking, things like that. So super excited. I can’t wait to finally drive them. I, they’re gonna be coming out in size tranches, so I don’t know what size are available. BF G’s been super tightlipped, but I found the right people in Moab we’re gonna try and get them on the show to talk about the new tire. They also have that new HD terrain, which is like a load range f made for big trucks with forties to have the trailer and payload really. And those things have been doing really well too. So I wanna have somebody from BFG to come on to talk about both, both of these tires.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 30s):

Ooh, it’s gonna be tough getting me outta Toyos, but I’m, I’ll listen,

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 34s):

Toyos a great tire. I’ve, I’ve been really happy with those. I’ve been happy with the BFGs but still all around. If I had one tire do everything, the KO twos to this point would be that really. I’m hoping KO threes are the, are the successor to that. There’ve been a lot of great changes in the marketplace. I mean, Falcon just came out with their new at four and you’ve got their rt, you got Toyos RT Trail.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 58s):

We just put the Falcon RTS on Brian Shaws world’s strongest man on his great

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 4s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 5s):

2002 excursion. Yeah. What a gorgeous excursion. You’re gonna see the video on banks channel soon. His seventh year excursion is just gorgeous. Just shipping it back to him tomorrow to Colorado. Nice. But yeah, those are, yeah, so big shout two Falcon for supplying those tires. They’re, he was so stoked.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 21s):

So the other cool thing about the Gladiator Rubicon high top concept is the fact that it had air suspension on it. So it had the, the ACU, air

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 28s):

No, Kidding Airs airbags. I’ve been seeing a few more of those pop up here and there. But I think a lot of people are hesitant. They’re, you know,

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 34s):

I’m not a fan real.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 35s):

Oh, you’re not of

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 35s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 36s):

Oh no, no, I know that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 37s):

But Accu Air makes a great product and I’ve heard a lot of good things about this particular kit,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 41s):

But you haven’t used it yet.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 42s):

But I haven’t used it yet. This was the only concept I ran out of time to get the drive. So I haven’t been in it yet. But we know the guys over there so hopefully I can get into it. Something with it at, at some point. I don’t necessarily like air because as it goes up in temperature, the spring rate changes also, if you have a bag failure, how does it fail? Does it fail up? And the closed loop system is an open loop and it fails down and now you don’t have ground clearance. Your tires are rubbing on your body. Those are the things I worry about. Although I haven’t heard of any issues like that with this system. People say it’s pretty crazy. It’s about six inches I think of, of, of adjustability. And I know a couple people did some durability tests and they were really happy with it. But still for what I do, where I go way out, I don’t need any of that kind of tech.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 24s):

For me personally. I want steel spraying and I wouldn’t have to worry about blowing a bag or any of that kind of stuff. It would be

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 30s):

Super cool to have this if you had a small garage like I do.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 33s):

Well it’d be super, you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 34s):

Could squat it and roll it

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 35s):

In. Well it’d be super cool to have it too if you had a lot of payload and you need to level the vehicle out and all that too. So there’s definitely benefits to it. I just need to spend some more time with it. And then the, my personal favorite, a nod to the end of the 3 92 is the Jeep lowdown concept. And that thing was freaking awesome. 3 92 on 42 inch BFG crawlers, Dana axles, all the good stuff. So it’s this really pretty red color, like a ruby red. And it had brilliant pearl white accents on it with like a racer inspired 3 92 logo and badging on it. And then they used a red welding curtain for the top for shade. That’s kind of cool. And they took off the bumpers.

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 15s):

It’s got these big ass, you know, wheels on it. It wasn’t lifted. So it definitely needed some up travel. Are those

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 21s):

Like 20 twos? What’s on that?

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 23s):

I, huge, I believe. I believe that’s a A 42 inch crawler on a 20. On a 20. Yeah. So it was pretty awesome. And then they did like an embossed, a Jeep on the tailgate. No spare. Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 34s):

You don’t see like big five spoke like KMC looking twenties in a 40. You said 42

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 42s):

This Is A 42. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 43s):

That’s, that’s cool. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 44s):

Looks awesome. And then I love the interior ’cause the seats had like the racing style, like grommets in it and it just was just awesome. Drove that thing around. It was like, man, this thing is so stupidly fun. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 54s):

Like the dashboard. It’s got a big 3 92, like a Yep. Racing lettering. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 58s):

Font. And then the This Is a nod to the lower 40, which was the famous concept that was 40 inch tires on a jk. So this was sort of like nod to that. What would it be as a jl, what would it be as a 3 92? So overall pretty rad. Did you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 14s):

Get a chance to drive it?

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 15s):

I did. And I, I didn’t wanna get out of it. And then I remember one of these yours. Well, no, I mean it, I it’s, it’s cool. Everybody’s in line for that thing. I, and the driving experience, you know, wasn’t that much different than mine. I got in mine, I was like, oh yeah, I own one of these. I get to go home in it. So yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 30s):

But the tires and the, yeah, the actual,

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 32s):

It just looks cool. I mean I wouldn’t want it as a daily driver. You couldn’t park it anywhere. You know, it didn’t have, it was a concept. So while it’s drivable, the, the steering was reduced quite a bit so it wouldn’t rub. And you know, you go to turn, you’re like, oh, This, Is like 30%, you know, reduced steering, you know, and it’s half doors and open to the elements. It’s just a fun toy. But not, not a great daily but as a dream vehicle. Yeah, that thing would be super rad. So anyway, that was just a brief overview of my week in Moab and I received many, many ducks on my Jeep, which is,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 7s):

Yeah, what’s all that about? Why were there little, those squeak, those yellow squeak ducks. That’s just

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 10s):

Everywhere. A Jeep thing. What is that about? Somebody likes your Jeep, they leave you a rubber duck. I know why somebody, I believe she was from Canada, started it like 10 years ago and just caught on as a thing. And listener Jason broom. If you guys have seen, we may have put even put it on The truck show reels. The whittle wa Yeah, he 3D printed a whittle whittle wa and put magnets on and then stuck it to the side of my Jeep. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 36s):

Oh no, you can buy those. Yeah, they’re off Instagram. Yeah, you can buy those whittle

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 39s):

Wats. He made a whittle wa for for my, I saw it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 42s):

Stuck onto the back, your back door.

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 44s):

So the, the body on those things are aluminum but the rear corners are metal Steel. Steel, yeah. I walk out and he’s like snickering. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 51s):

Anyway, but it’s not right. I mean you put a little whittle wa on a Toyota, that’s what all the whi wats are

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 55s):

On. But that’s why it was funny ’cause he was like shaming my Jeep by having a whittle wa, which is you would normally see on a Toyota. So he got two. Two ducks and a whittle wa No, no, I got seven ducks. You got seven ducks. Seven ducks. So that, those are compliments. But still like, now what do you do with the ducks? Do you re-gift them? I don’t. I have ’em on my workbench. There’s just like 30 ducks up there that I’ve gotten over the years. But it feels like you should pass it along, pay it forward. I know, but I, maybe I should, but I you should. I have a thing about touching other people’s vehicles, and I don’t want, and a lot of people hate the ducks, do you? But you’re not, oh, do they? Oh yeah. There’s, there’s two massive contingents. It’s the, I hate ducks and I love ducks. I personally, kind of in the middle, don’t care. Like, it’s nice that somebody left you something ’cause they think you have a pretty awesome Jeep. But on the other hand, you’re, you have a bunch of kids bath toys in your Jeep.

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 36s):

Well, who the hell is again, walk around with bags and bags of ducks? Like someone rated the Dollar Tree. You know what I’m saying? Well, they’ve jumped the shark now because now you can buy Jeep ducks. Oh. A lot of companies there have their logo on ducks and, and you can get ’em that way. Wow. That’s whack. No, that’s, that’s how it is. And so, no, I’m saying it’s, that’s dumb. Yeah. Yeah. They, they, once it’s gone corporate, it’s over. They’ve jumped the sharks. So there are literally people that have ducks. And now the thing is all sorts of ducks. There’s holiday ducks and, and bath ducks. And ducks. No. So then when it’s gonna go like little dinosaurs for like TRX or you know, it’s gonna go to a little raptor, you know. Yeah. The Bronco guy. Somebody started Sunday. I can’t remember remember what it is. But it’s some other thing that the Bronco guys are, it’s time time to stop people.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 16s):

Yeah. Yeah. Stop leaving little plastic toys on people’s cars, I guess. All right, let’s change gears and hit some email.

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You email, yeah, I email Do it. We email. That’s right. Everybody email. Type it up. You email proofread. I email, send it. We email, click it every

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Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 46s):

I can’t help but think that that one guy that left us the the one star review. The one star review, he is like, oh,

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Sean’s got stupid FM morning show. Bunch of dorks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 57s):

Did that ever make it? Because last time I checked it wasn’t up. And I don’t know if it got flagged and taken down. We didn’t get anything. I, I, I don’t know, but I just think like, man, would, would we have even more listeners if we ditched the, the silly jingles and stuff, or do you think it No. Does this make it, why would I, does it make it feel like us? I didn’t do this show for other people. I did the show for me. And you clearly, the lack of revenue shows that. Well, yeah. So like, we just do it because it’s fun. And if people want to come along for the ride, then we welcome you to join our wackiness. I think it’s fun. And if you have kids, they think it’s fun. So that’s what I care about. Pizza debate. Subject line from Jake Porin. So he says

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Tomato cake

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 37s):

With three exclamation marks. Yeah, sorry. Chicago, New York style Pizza is real Pizza. Jake Prius Nice because I screwed up his name once. No he didn’t, you know, he put Jake, but he didn’t put his last name. So he just made it up. Jake Prius? No, I think he drove a Prius and he made fun of him. So he just said that. No, no, no, no, it wasn’t. It was Jake p and I didn’t know what his name was, so I called Jake Prius. So Jake Prius, I just made it up and it pissed him off. All right. I got this one from Tommy Harrell says, poche guys, Lightning needs a headache rack on his pickup. It would be impossible for anyone to crawl in with the expanded metal flat bar, round tube covering the back of the cab bonus. He can haul lumber longer than six foot without dropping the tailgate. I have multiple flatbed pickups with headache racks and frequently park with the slider open during summer.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 21s):

Birds, cats and squirrels might make it inside, but not people side bonus when you’re loading up fence posts or firewood, you just chuck it without worrying about busting the glass. Tommy and I thought about that. I went, why didn’t we think of headache racks? No, you could do a sporty one because I have four other windows that can be broken. So, which I’ve seen. If you don’t, those ones aren’t on back order. If you go on, those aren’t on back order. I don’t know that. ’cause I haven’t tried to order one yet. They’re not on back order. But I’ve already seen two TXs with the back passenger side windows broken and they’re not on back order. Well, I don’t know that neither do you, do we need to call Mike Rice to find out? Call him.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 2s):

He’s not gonna know offhand. He might. You think so? He’s probably drinking whiskey right now. Let’s find out.

Jim Pickering (1h 33m 13s):

What’s up.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 14s):

Mike Rice Lightning in home. The. Truck. Show Podcast. We have a question for you. Oh, by the way, Mike Rice works at Adventure Off Road. Oh, in Huntington Beach. Oh, go. Yeah. And, and a Jeep Ram dealer. Hey, so here’s the deal. Lightning’s TX almost got stolen, and so his rear glass got broken. That’s how they got in. And so it’s on back order, as you know. And so he’s like, blah, blah, blah. Can’t drive my chair. So our listener says, Hey, you should put a headache rack on that thing. And then they can’t break that little window in the back. And LE’s like, no, because I have four other windows, by the way, he has five that they could break into. And I get Don’t through the windshield. They might. No. And I’m like, dude, listen that back left or right rear window is not on back order like the slider.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 54s):

He goes, you don’t know that. I’m like, let’s call Mike Rice. Mike is the back window on back order The side ones.

Jim Pickering (1h 34m 1s):

The side ones. Actually, yes. We had the sign. One of my other customers stolen TRX at another dealership. They did break the side window. No, the headache rack will not stop your problems.

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 11s):

Oh boo. All right. Well you just inflated Lightning ego again. You didn’t inflate my ego. I’m just saying like, it just,

Jim Pickering (1h 34m 20s):

If they want it, they’ll get it. They’re

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 22s):

Gonna, oh, you have six other windows. Moonroof, rappel down in that sucker. I, I don’t, I don’t know that they’re gonna break a window that they don’t think can do easily. They easily, they, they’re gonna take it. Well, listen. Well, they can’t. You replace the rear one easily. Here’s the thing though. The customers that you know that have had their trucks stolen Yes. Have, have the Theft devices. Oh, let me lemme rephrase that. ’cause they haven’t had them stolen. If they, if the Theft devices worked, what’s your experience been on, on, on thwarting thieves? Like, like have any of your customers figured out a way to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 57s):

Keep the thieves from breaking in?

Jim Pickering (1h 34m 59s):

Nobody has stopped them from breaking in. Lightning your truck is the only one I know that actually hasn’t been stolen. Another customer of mine was stolen, but they recovered it from a hidden GPS. Probably three others have been stolen, never to be seen again.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 16s):

All right. So should we run my stickers by Mike? Yeah. So Mike, go for it. I, I had these die cut vinyl stickers made for me and, and I was going to place one of them on the back window of The truck in hopes that in the one to two seconds that they’re taking the car cover off and they read it. They, they have some, they take pause.

Jim Pickering (1h 35m 37s):

You can, you’re assuming they can read.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 39s):

Thank you. I’m, I’m just No, he is assuming that his, I’m saying giant die cut stickers will hold the glass shards together. I think they can read because they’re holding tablets in most of the videos they’ve seen. And they need to understand can bus and they understand programming. So I think they can read. All right. They’re not, they they gotta under Would you just read the stickers?

Jim Pickering (1h 35m 57s):

Listen first enough. Monkeys with enough typewriters will get Shakespeare eventually. I don’t think your stickers are gonna help.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 3s):

The first one says break glass, make noise. You should buzz that one. Okay. Really? I don’t want No, no. ’cause we’re, people are still gonna weigh in. All right. You’re still gonna Mike call in. Call Mike. You should buzz it for Mike ’cause he doesn’t like it. Oh, Mike, yes or no? Break. Break glass. Make noise on the stickers. Yeah. First one is break glass, make noise.

Jim Pickering (1h 36m 25s):

Okay, what’s the next one?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 27s):

Key pairing mode. Disabled. Which is how they break in or how they drive it away. ’cause they put in key pairing mode and they fake a key and The truck thinks it’s theirs and they drive it away. The next one is do not break glass straightforward. The next one is security protected. Doesn’t even make sense.

Jim Pickering (1h 36m 48s):

I would say makes, I would say if any of ’em option B, key pairing mode disabled.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 53s):

Okay. The next one, vehicle does not run. All right. The next

Jim Pickering (1h 36m 58s):

One. Well, it’s a Solanis product. So I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 0s):

Mean the next one is Igla protected and that is my, my can buss protection device.

Jim Pickering (1h 37m 10s):

Well, I don’t know if I’d advertise it. ’cause if they figure out how to get around it at some point then we’ll just

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 15s):

Know. Okay. Alright. And then how about vehicle under surveillance and the last

Jim Pickering (1h 37m 22s):

Yeah, they’re not gonna care. And the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 23s):

Exactly. And the last one that Holman likes thieves will be shot.

Jim Pickering (1h 37m 30s):

I mean, that’s what I would put on my truck, but,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 37m 32s):

You know, so the only thing that I worry about that one is that a, a guy down the street, I was, he drives, just bought a brand new 23 Camaro Ss. And I stopped by on my little scooter one day and said, Hey, love the car he was working on in the garage. Young dude. It was like mid twenties or something. Super stoked, most expensive car he ever bought. And I go, Hey, I drive The truck, the TRX down the

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 55s):

Street. And he goes, oh, you’re the one that got it broken into. He already heard from the neighbors. And I go, you need, you need this Igla device, blah, blah, blah. And we, and he said, oh, well let me show you this video from about six streets over. And it was a Hellcat and one, it was from the ring camera footage. And you had a perfect view of the car. You had one guy breaking into the driver’s side, it was nose out facing the street in the, in his driveway. One guy breaking into the vehicle. And another guy that helping him standing with a pistol in his hand with the pistol facing the front door. The guy couldn’t start it. The guy in the car finally walked away, the guy with the pistol put in his pocket.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 38s):

And finally jetted after like four or five minutes the whole time the guy was breaking in, the dude was pointing the gun at the front door of the house. Which is why you should always point back. So I’m just saying like, it kind of scares me to run a sticker

Jim Pickering (1h 38m 51s):

That doesn’t, doesn’t our current POTUS advocate for shooting through doors?

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 58s):

I’d all jokes aside, like, like I, I like that sticker, but like, does that actually get me shot? Like, I don’t even know. I mean, you’ve lived a pretty good life for this

Jim Pickering (1h 39m 8s):

Point. Listen, we love our cars. We love our cars, but you know, it’s, it would be a messy cleanup for either direction and it’s no car’s really worth that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 19s):

Well listen to Mike voice a reason. Okay, well we now know from Mike Rice that putting a sticker on the back window is questionable and they are also out of the windows all four. So no matter what window gets broken on my truck. Next I’m host. I think you should just have one of your friends with a CNC machine make billet aluminum window replacements.

Jim Pickering (1h 39m 40s):

Why don’t you just put those little cages around the windows like the UN does on trucks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 46s):

Oh, no phone, no rod, iron bars. I call all the ghetto houses. Yeah, there you go. That’s it. That’s all. I’m gonna do it

Jim Pickering (1h 39m 52s):

Just like cartel trucks, just weld steel plates. Do it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 55s):

Alright Mike, we’ll talk. Thank you. See

Jim Pickering (1h 39m 57s):

You gentlemen. A pleasure as always. Bye. Talk to you soon. See ya. Bye.

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 1s):

Oh, we didn’t ask what he was drinking. Ah, damn. We’ll find out. I’ll, I’ll ask him tomorrow. All right, I got this one from our buddy Colby White says lightning’s, TRX. Problem solved. I was recently watching a movie when I suddenly had an idea that I think is perfect for keeping lightning’s TRX in the driveway. Here’s the rough design. It appears to be a high voltage fence and designed to keep large animals inside an, an enclosure. So I think it would be perfect for, for keeping bad guys away from your truck. Even do that in Jurassic Park. Come screenshot. Come on. You could even put a sign like this one on Amazon that says Danger restricted area, high voltage. 10,000 volts with the T-Rex crossed out on it. Funny ’cause you have a T Rx. Anyway, it seems like it does a good job of keeping things in, so why wouldn’t it keep things out?

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 45s):

Good luck. Colby White. Pretty funny. I mean, I appreciate the creativity. That’s funny. That might be a little difficult to pull off. Alright, well it’s still fun. Another one, TRX rear window from

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 53s):

Texas. Trevor Lightning. Have you thought about getting a lexan rear window made? You’re in California so you can probably find some race shop or old school glass shop to make it for you. It’s not a bad idea. I’m I I I And

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 10s):

They’re just pushing out a piece of Lexus instead of your you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 13s):

Yeah, I don’t know how you keep it. You can just kick it in. So yeah, I don’t, I don’t know it’s novel idea. I don’t know that it will work.

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 19s):

Kobe white returns with lightning’s T Rx problem solve part two. So nevermind on the whole electric fence thing. I finished watching the movie. It didn’t work out so hot for those people. But maybe you could get Ila to display this on the screen and have it say, ah, ah, ah, you didn’t say the magic word when somebody tries to take your truck without the code and it’s Newman from Seinfeld. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 44s):

Funny, funny. Jeffrey Brown, subject line Frontier spotting Lightning and Holman. I saw these two frontiers right next to each other the other day at work. Sure. Wish my daily looked something like this. Can I get some stickers now? Just kidding. I got some of the first batch that were sent out. So Holman, if you look closely, those are two airliners. Yep. Frontier Jets. Yep. Frontier Airlines. That’s funny. That doesn’t really count. That’s not

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 10s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 11s):

No, Jeffrey doesn’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 11s):

Because that is a brand of airline. Funny, not a Nissan. Oh, rip that one into pieces. I got this one here from Trevor Nero Lightning’s truck. Genuinely, sorry. You had to go through the attempted Theft Lightning Screw Thieves. Now I have something to make you feel better. Way back in my dad’s day, he was big into Porsche and was the proud owner of an old Otis Chandler, 19 74, 9 11 with a beautiful wide body raised trim all decked out. It was his pride and joy. One day or night when he was attending USC, someone tried to steal it but couldn’t figure out the kill switch. So instead they beat it with a crowbar, poured sugar in the gas tank.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 52s):

He got it fixed, but then eventually sold it because of the paranoia and my own damn birth. I guess babies don’t do well in race cars. You’re welcome for introducing those fears into you. But just think of the joys you can have reminding your kids for decades, quote unquote. Did you lock the door? Are you sure? Let me check. That’s from our friend Trevor.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 10s):

What a dick, Man. That, that’s things I I I mean that’s the whole thing. Like a rich kid going to a, you know, a, a nice school and yeah, I, I don’t like trying to break into it and steal something inside and they get pissed off and put the sugar and the gas tank and all this. Doesn’t feel like someone who wants to steal the vehicle A lot of effort. They’re just trying to mess with you a lot of effort. Leon Miller writes Frontier Spotted in the Wild. Hey guys, love the show. I’m one of the new listeners from last year and can’t stop listening. Welcome. I’m a truck driver of the 18 Wheel Variety and your show gave me some insights into looking for my first new truck. I saw Frontier in the wild and managed to snap a photo. Also, my favorite episode, of course is the Iowa 80 Truck Stop Show.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 52s):

Spent many visits there over the past few years. The fried chicken at the buffet is a must have and Leon gives his address. And this will be a pleasure sending you some truck show podcast stickers. Leon, I think my wife has taken over that duty and Leon closes the email with Love the Show Taste the biscuits parameters and the embargo

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Taste. The biscuit taste the goodness of the Biscuit Master

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Monitor. Key engine parameters.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 24s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 26s):

All right, so everybody, Ray who formerly proposed the retractable bollards in your driveway is now coming with a new idea. He is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 33s):

Full of ideas. The

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 34s):

Denver boot. So Ray says, wait,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 37s):

Is that the big yellow thing that clamps

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 38s):

On the Wheel? Yeah, like the parking people. Oh geez. So he says, clearly Jay’s not keen on my retractable Bullard suggestion and was lukewarm on Sean’s suggestion of a low wrt iron sliding fence. So how about putting on a Denver boot at night? You could even use it wherever you park during the day to be extra safe. Even if they don’t make those Wheel locks large enough for the TRX wheels and body clearance. Jay has all that engineering talent and SolidWorks at banks to slap out a design, doing a bid of night weekend work. It’s all a ginormous pain. I know, but better than losing such a great truck and one worth so much dough. And that’s from our friend Ray

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 12s):

Ray. That’s actually not a bad idea. My concern with that style of of lock is that they would mar up my H-R-E-F-T one wheels.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 22s):

Not if you happen to put some felt or something between it or

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 25s):

Coat it with rubber or something. No, why not? Oh, I could dip it in a vat of that rubber

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 30s):

Stuff. Dip for, yeah, well yeah. Plastic you put on like the handles

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 32s):

Of Handles. The screwdriver. Yeah, there

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 34s):

You go.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 34s):

Interesting. I might be on board with that idea. Truck Show podcast at gmail dot com is the general email inbox. Lightning at truck show podcast dot com is me and Holman at truck show podcast dot com is him

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The truck show. The truck show. The truck show.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 53s):

Whoa. And of course you can

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 55s):

Follow us and do that over on the gram at Truck Show podcast or on Facebook. You can find our individual profiles at LBC Lightning, at Sean P Holman. And of course we love hearing from you whether you’re wrenching in the garage, you’re driving cross country, you’re bored, you’re happy, you have something to say, you disagree with us. Well hit us up on the five star hotline. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Are you sure that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 18s):

You want to open it up to people who disagree with us? We

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 21s):

Say that every time

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 22s):

Guy could be like a landslide.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 23s):

Bring it in. In fact, Zach and Dana saw me in Moab and told me that some of the things that Mr. Steven Watson said were incorrect. And he’s like, I have a response. And so I said, bring it on. We gotta have Zach from Dana on. What

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 37s):

Do we get him on with

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 38s):

Steven? Steven Brawl? Yes. Oh, maybe.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 41s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 42s):

So he’s like, oh, there’s some incorrect info. I have a list. I’m like, well send an email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 45s):

We actually made a list.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 46s):

Yeah. So Zach Casey over at at Dana, we’re waiting to hear, hear back from you. So they, they’re all listening. That’s the point, right? Okay. Alright. Head over to truck show podcast dot com on our website, not only can you find all the new events that are happening in your world, but you can also find our feature products page. We’ll be updating that soon. And then also leave us a review either on Spotify or Apple Podcast app. Please leave us a five star review. Those things help for the discoverability of the show. And we, before we hang it up, we have to thank our guest, Jim Pickering. If you’re looking for How to Build and Modify, your Chevy GMC truck, your 67 to 72, or your 73 to 87, you want to check out his books that are available from CarTech.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 31s):

And there’ll also be a discount code on our featured products page if you’re interested in purchasing those particular books or any of the books in the CarTech catalog.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 47m 41s):

Hold on just a second, Holman, I am just ordering both books and used our discount. There you go. Done.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 48s):

Did you go to the car tech books dot com website and type in truck show before you hit the purchase button?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 47m 55s):

You know, I did.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 55s):

20% off. Alright, before we close out the show, we have to thank our friends over at Nissan, the presenting sponsor of this, and just about all truck show podcasts. We’re excited to have them on board for another year so we can tell you all about the awesome Nissan pickup trucks like the frontier, if you’re in the market for a mid-size truck, head over to your local Nissan dealer where you can check ’em out in person, build and price your Nissan frontier at Nissan usa dot com. Get that 310 horsepower V six, that fully box frame you can choose from two body styles, get those zero gravity seats, that Fender audio system and hey, you know, I was looking up, even the Nissan Frontier Crew Cab Pro four x, which is the heaviest version of it, still has 1,220 pounds of maximum payload and can still tow 6,170 pounds.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 40s):

Sounds like a deal to me.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 42s):

And speaking of smoking deals, if you got a 17 to 24 germ XL IP and you’re interested in the brand new monster ram, which improves throttle response, extends turbo life and does so with no turbo surge, head over to at lbc, Lightning on the gram and DM me four little something, something. You know what I’m saying? Yeah. A discount. I’ll hook a brother up a discount. That’s what I’m saying. Alright, well I didn’t wanna say discount. All right. ’cause banks doesn’t do discounts. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 5s):

But LBC Lightning does. But

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 6s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 8s):

Lightning, you’re selling stuff outta the back of your trunk in an alley, right? I mean, a little bit. Or at the back door of the warehouse.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 13s):

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Hold on a second. No, no, no. That implies I’m stealing stuff. That’s not the case. I’m just

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 19s):

Giving you, you steal the hearts and minds of our listeners every week.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 21s):

That’s what I’m doing. I got a little, I got a super secret discount code. Oh, I said discount. I got a super secret listener, bro. Code. Yeah, that’s what I’m gonna call it. The bro code. The

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 30s):

Bro code. All right. All right. And of course, if you are looking for quality full synthetic lubrication for your truck, you gotta go see AMS oil. Head over to ams oil dot com, check out the catalog. They are a pioneer in synthetic lubricants. They have been for more than 50 years, whether it’s motor oil lubricants and protectants grease additives. And even more than that, AMS oil has you covered. They are the official oil and title sponsor of Ultimate Callout Challenge and the official oil of the National Association of Diesel Motorsports. Find out how AMS oil synthetic lubricants can save you money and time by helping your vehicles run better and last longer than with conventional oils. At am oil dot com am Oil is the leader in synthetics.

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Thanks for watching. And remember, everything matters.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 14s):

The Truck Show Podcast is a production of truck famous LLC. This podcast was created by Sean Holman and Jay Tillis with production elements by DJ Omar Khan. If you like what you’ve heard, please open your Apple Podcast or Spotify app and give us a five star rating. And if you’re a fan, there’s no better way to show your support than by patronizing our sponsors. Some vehicles may have been harmed during the making of this podcast.