Ken Hoeve, who recently appeared on Shark Tank, has joined the Truck Show Podcast to discuss Flated’s range of inflatable truck products that are conveniently storable when not in use. In the meantime, Emme Hall is back as a winner, and according to Ford’s recent survey, EV truck owners use their trucks more rigorously than conventional truck owners. 

The Truck Show Podcast takes pride in being presented by Nissan in collaboration with Banks Power.


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Lightning (0s):

Homan. I feel like this is gonna be one of our best episodes ever. The truck show podcast is on fire on this episode number 11. 11 of season two.

Holman (10s):

Well, that wasn’t a very good start, was

Lightning (12s):

It? No, it wasn’t. Okay, we’re gonna get to all of your email. Well, no, we can’t. You sent too much. Yeah,

Holman (18s):

We’ll get to half of it and we’ll save the rest for the future. No, don’t, no, don’t tell them that they sent too much.

Lightning (23s):

You need to send more.

Holman (23s):

Yeah. Or leave voicemail. 6 7 2 0 5 61 0 5.

Lightning (27s):

You guys are mad frontier spotters. Let me just

Holman (29s):

Say, okay, hold on. I want my sticker.

Lightning (34s):

Okay. What photo did you take? So, in Holman’s rear view mirror are of

Holman (39s):

A frontier.

Lightning (40s):

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 frontiers in your rear view mirror.

Holman (43s):

That wasn’t even all of ’em. Where

Lightning (45s):

Were you and what was this? Why, why are there a whole slew, why are there a parade of frontiers in your rear view?

Holman (50s):

I, listen, I want my sticker first because I don’t think you’re gonna give it to me. All

Lightning (54s):

Right, hold on

Holman (55s):

Here. I got more frontiers in this photo. How about this? Okay.

Lightning (58s):

All right. And here is your sticker. Oh my God. There’s more, more frontiers than your phone. That’s right. Okay. What, what, what’s the event? Where were you and why was I not part of

Holman (1m 6s):

It? Because this was part of my other job for use for adventure. Nissan hired me. They were my very first client, by the way.

Lightning (1m 12s):


Holman (1m 13s):

Thank you. And I led a group of media across the Mojave Road. So back in March of 1983, Nissan took their brand new 83 and a half Nissan trucks, the first ones that were built in America out of the Smyrna factory. Met with Dennis k Spier over at the MD H C a, and they traversed the Mojave Road and did a book, a hardbound book. So when we were cleaning out some storage spaces about a year ago out at Goffs, we come across this book and it’s called Nissans on the Mojave Road. And I open it up and it’s this whole adventure that they had. So I immediately called up Nissan and I said, guys, you have to do a retrace of this next year, March of 2023 is your 40th anniversary of this trip.

Holman (1m 60s):

And Nissan’s like, how many books are there? We wanna buy all of ’em. We’re gonna make this happen. How many were there? Maybe like a hundred or something like that. Or, okay. 75. Something like that. There’s a box of pretty good box of ’em. Just dusty in a corner. I kind of planted the seed, said You guys gotta do this. I was working at, obviously my previous job at the time, so I wasn’t involved at all. After they found out that I, you were free,

Lightning (2m 22s):

You’re a free

Holman (2m 22s):

Agent, they said, we wanna hire you and have you be the historian on the trip and, and lead it. And we’re gonna do half automotive journalist and half lifestyle. And everybody on the trip got one of those books. And so they basically got to preload or, or see ahead of time preview, see ahead of time. What happened in 1983? And by the way, during the wettest march, just like 83 was a El Nino year where we got slammed with weather. That’s what’s happening right now, a muddy disaster out there. And we were in, in and out of desert washes and chasing rain. It’s got some epic photos out there. But on the way home, I decided to see how far I could take dirt on the way home. And I got two miles.

Lightning (3m 2s):

What do you mean take dirt? What? What, what do you

Holman (3m 5s):

Mean? I wanted to take dirt roads home. How far, like dirt roads back, back down to Barstow.

Lightning (3m 9s):

I thought you were talking about like when the local southern Californians go up to the mountains and it snows on their, on their car truck. And they leave it on the, the top of the car truck. And they take it all the way down the hill. See if they can get to the beach with snow on their truck. Have you seen

Holman (3m 21s):

That? Yeah, I’ve done it.

Lightning (3m 22s):

Okay. I I haven’t done it. No. What? No,

Holman (3m 25s):

I’ve never done it. Everybody does that. Well, everybody’s

Lightning (3m 27s):

Like, except for me. Except

Holman (3m 28s):

For you.

Lightning (3m 28s):

All right. I thought it was silly.

Holman (3m 29s):

Well, I was gonna try and send this picture here. I went down and you could tell that the wash was now dry, a wash along the 15th freeway. And I got all excited about it because I’m like, all right, cool. I can start taking this home. Well it didn’t really, it didn’t really work out. All right, so I’m gonna send this photo up on the TV for you.

Lightning (3m 51s):

Oh my Lord. That is, that’s not just mud, that is, that’s cement.

Holman (3m 55s):

It’s basically like quicksand.

Lightning (3m 57s):


Holman (3m 58s):

So I started driving and I had nowhere to go. And I, and the whole trail was washed out in the middle of this massive wash that was probably half a mile wide at one point. So wait

Lightning (4m 6s):

A minute, this is just you. This is all,

Holman (4m 7s):

It’s just me. Yeah, everybody’s gone.

Lightning (4m 9s):

Nissan is gone.

Holman (4m 10s):

Not one flat tire. Okay. Not one issue with any of the trucks. Nothing. Nothing, nothing. No problems at all. So I’m like trucked. Great. They were all pro four X’s. Amazing trip. And by the way, it just reminded me how much I love this truck. Like at the end of this trip, I’m like, I would literally buy this as my runner about around town or for light wheeling. It’s so much fun. It, it drives great. Did so good off-road. And I’m like, so I don’t have any concerns. I’ve got some max track boards in the back, at

Lightning (4m 35s):

The very bottom of the photo I see a max track. There it is. Oh my lord. The magic track. That’s

Holman (4m 41s):

After I drove over it very and it got pushed down about 10 inches down in the mud. And then all the sticks took every bit of my body to yank it out of the mud. So if you look at that pho, that other photo, right? How, how many feet would you say that is to where the frontier has backed out of the mud?

Lightning (4m 59s):


Holman (4m 60s):

Took me an hour.

Lightning (5m 2s):


Holman (5m 3s):

My god. Me by myself. And I didn’t bring my full size boards. I just brought my minis cuz they stashed easier. All four corners, five feet pick ’em up, all four corners, five feet. And it took me an hour to do that by myself. So max tracks self recovery boards when you’re in the mud and you don’t have anything to win off of are fricking miracles. I got out of that and I ended up backing out and driving out of there. And so you

Lightning (5m 25s):

Backed all the way to the horizon out there to the

Holman (5m 28s):

Canyon? No, I we’re, we’re the frontiers in that photo. I was on more solid ground and I was able to kind of just go a little bit north towards that more solid.

Lightning (5m 34s):

How much worse would it have been if you continued another 10, 15 feet? Oh,

Holman (5m 38s):

I would’ve had it sunk probably in up to the tops of the tires in quicksand. Yeah, there was, it looked like a good surface and it was, once you got into it, you just went and I was covered up to my knees and mud. The whole inside of the truck’s covered in mud walking around. It grew like big mud chunks on my shoes. My shoes weigh like eight pounds each. And like I went from a size 10 to like a size 49 and I’m just walking around like clown shoes, trying not to walk out of my shoes and I’m like, oh this sucks. Anyway, the truck did awesome and did a lot of frontier

Lightning (6m 8s):

Spotting. Awesome. By the way, that’s a r Have you, do you, have you posted that photo? Cause that’s a really cool photo.

Holman (6m 12s):

I don’t think I’ve posted that photo. Photo.

Lightning (6m 14s):

You should post that.

Holman (6m 14s):

Shout out to our friends over at Nissan. Thanks for putting together a, a great adventure and trusting me to help lead it. But yeah, the frontier is awesome. And now the whole time I’m thinking I’m gonna take all these photos and just blow up lightning’s inbox with frontier spotting until I opened our inbox. You didn’t have to. We had 50 of you. Yeah, probably send us frontier spotting stuff. We’ll get to some of those in inbox cuz you guys left some funny messages for us so we’ll, we’ll get to that later in the show. But dude, frontier spotting is going off again,

Lightning (6m 44s):

It’s one of the most active campaigns we’ve ever done.

Holman (6m 47s):

Send, send those photos to truck show podcast and we will get you out a slap sticker lightning hat, a bunch of round slap stickers put together, send us out. We’ll get those stickers out to you and you guys can proudly support the show

Lightning (6m 58s):

As if that’s not good enough. On this episode we’re gonna be checking in with Ken Hovey. You may have seen him on Shark Tank. He’s one of the co-founders inflated and they make those inflatable, well not those you probably never seen ’em before. Inflatable bed toppers. Yeah, so

Holman (7m 15s):

We had originally found out about them at the end of last year through a mutual friend. And it wasn’t until I saw ’em at SEMA where I actually was like, oh my gosh, this is really cool. And I didn’t really understand it when it was explained to me. When you see it in person when

Lightning (7m 29s):

Talks about when, if you just say inflatable bed toppers like a snug top or super

Holman (7m 33s):

Shell something, you think of a balloon on the background and you’re like, that

Lightning (7m 35s):

Sounds ridiculous.

Holman (7m 36s):

That’s not this, this is super durable, really, really well-engineered stuff. I’m sure some of you saw them on Shark Tank just a couple episodes ago. Really just awesome. So we’re gonna have Ken on to, to talk about his experience on Shark Tank,

Lightning (7m 49s):

Although this is gonna be interesting because I think he’s in Missoula in an airport he’s

Holman (7m 52s):

At. Yeah, he just texted me. He said he’s waiting to get on a plane. So hopefully we have enough time but we’ll, we’ll get it done, we’ll get it done. So anyway, AFLD and then also we’re gonna talk to our friend Emmy Hall who freaking won the Mint 400 in her class.

Lightning (8m 5s):

She well party of one, right? Interclass? Something

Holman (8m 8s):

Like that. Well she’s so classy. There’s nobody there. She Flynn. She four four of ’em in the class. Oh, okay. Legitimate podium win. Yeah. In Buddy Her Miata. We’ll check in with her on that. But first we gotta thank Nissan for supporting the podcast. Nissan is the truck shows presenting sponsor. If you’re looking for a frontier, head on down to your local Nissan dealership or you could head on over to nissan You can build and price the frontier for that truck sitting in the driveway. Less than 45,000. Fully loaded.

Lightning (8m 35s):

That’s insane.

Holman (8m 36s):

Considering what the mid-size market is. I just was so much fun. It’s just, it’s solid. And when we had, remember how quiet our Platinum reserve Xd Titan was

Lightning (8m 45s):

The one that we did the podcast in.

Holman (8m 46s):

This is quiet as that truck or quieter. What It’s at 80 miles an hour. It’s so freaking quiet. It’s unbelievable. How, how so mean that, do you

Lightning (8m 53s):

Retribute that to the sound deadening on the, on the interior panels? Yeah. Or is it the tire company

Holman (8m 59s):

Or what is it? All of it. I mean, Nissan really wanted to make this truck, you know, quiet because I think manufacturers are learning that, you know, the sound level inside is perceived quality. If the quieter you can make it, the better people feel about the quality of the vehicle. And you slam the doors on these, it’s a really nice thud, super serene on the inside.

Lightning (9m 17s):

How many miles on this frontier when you got it?

Holman (9m 19s):

It might’ve been 5,000.

Lightning (9m 20s):

Okay. Any creeks rattles?

Holman (9m 22s):

None the whole week. I mean we went over every terrain. We did 200 miles offroad and the Pro four X has Bill Steins and Rear Locker and you know, skid full skid Plaing, which we used, but that’s what it’s there for. It was. And 310 horsepower from the 3.8 liter. Also with the nine speed crawls really nice too. Cause it’s got a really low first gear. So just a, a great all around truck. I hadn’t been in a frontier since they came out, so it’s probably been maybe a year and a half or something like that. And I, I’ve been spending a lot of time in this truck and I’m like, yeah, this, it’s funny cuz you’ll think, oh, I, I really like it. And then you forget about it and you’re like, well I think I really liked it. And then you get back and you go, oh yeah, I really like, liked it.

Lightning (10m 0s):

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Lightning (10m 43s):

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Holman (11m 8s):

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Lightning (11m 53s):

The truck show. The truck show. Whoa.

Intro Jingle (11m 57s):

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Lightning (12m 2s):

Holman. I could really hear you on that one. We just pop right through. I

Holman (12m 6s):

Did it really quiet. Did Yeah, that was the quietest I’ve done a

Lightning (12m 9s):

Long time. I turned you way down. But you just, well, I don’t, you just cut right

Holman (12m 12s):

Through. That’s just me. I, I know how to make a impression. An entrance scene. I don’t know. Something like that.

Lightning (12m 18s):

All right. It is Lightning at home in the Truck Show podcast. And we are going to be calling an airport.

Holman (12m 24s):

No, no, no. We’re gonna be calling a man in an airport. And that’s our man Ken Hoy from Inflated. And what do we do

Lightning (12m 30s):

If he doesn’t pick up? This

Holman (12m 31s):

Is gonna be No, we’ve taxi back and forth. He’s like so excited about it. He’s like, guys, I don’t know anything about your podcast. I’ve never heard it before. It probably sucks. And then he is like, Hey, listen to three of ’em. And they’re actually pretty good. I wanna be on the show now. So I I think we got ’em, you know, properly pumped up. We got the, the fanfare and the pompoms and all that and he’s, we

Lightning (12m 50s):

Don’t have pompoms. Oh, all.

Holman (12m 51s):

Well, I just told him we were ready, so let’s call ’em. Okay. All

Lightning (12m 53s):

Right. I’ll dial.

Ken Hoeve (12m 58s):


Lightning (12m 59s):

Hello. Is this Ken Hoeve? Lightning at home at Truck Show podcast?

Ken Hoeve (13m 4s):

It’s, it’s good to hear from you guys.

Lightning (13m 6s):

Absolutely. We’re excited to speak

Holman (13m 7s):

With you. Yeah. We gotta play a jingle for you. So hang on just one second. Don’t move.

Intro Jingle (13m 14s):

What does it entrepreneur quit your job and get alone. Don’t anyone tell you you can’t look always be another. This is what it takes to be entrepreneur. This

Holman (13m 32s):

Is what

Lightning (13m 32s):

It takes to be an entrepreneur. You gotta be on Shark

Holman (13m 34s):

Tank. Yeah, check that

Lightning (13m 36s):


Ken Hoeve (13m 38s):

It depends on who you ask.

Holman (13m 40s):

Well, so we’re curious about that. But here’s, here’s the deal is I’ve been kind of tracking you guys down since the end of last year and our, our mutual friend Rory Connell’s, like, Hey, you gotta check out these guys inflated, they make inflatable camper shelves. And I went, well, that’s a dumb idea.

Lightning (13m 55s):

And he goes, no. Is it? No,

Holman (13m 56s):

No, it’s, it’s more than that. It’s you, you, you gotta understand it. And then I saw you guys at SEMA and finally got to touch the product and went, this is freaking brilliant. It’s a camper shell that you can fold when you don’t use it. And, and until people think you, you have a balloon on the back of your bed that’s gonna blow away. No, you have experience in kayaking and it’s, if you go in the white water, you know, rafting, it’s similar to the material that you would make a raft out of except you guys have it shaped and it’s inflatable as a camper shell, as a topper, as a deck platform in the back of your bed. And I’m thinking this is super durable. It’s super lightweight when I don’t need it, it folds up into a bag or a backpack. The you guys are brilliant.

Holman (14m 36s):

I’m so sorry for doubting

Lightning (14m 37s):

You. They even have a chalet for your

Holman (14m 39s):

Dog. Exactly.

Ken Hoeve (14m 42s):

I should explain to your awesome listeners that are so loyal to you that I am about to board a plane from Missoula back to Colorado. Like they’re calling my gate. So I’m excited to talk with you. I’m sorry on the timing on this call.

Lightning (14m 55s):

No, that’s so we really appreciate you carving out what little time you do have. I mean, you’re now a superstar having been on Shark Tank and taken it’s money. You got Damon’s money, which is amazing. All

Holman (15m 6s):

Right, well let,

Ken Hoeve (15m 6s):

Let’s, yeah, it, it was, let’s

Holman (15m 8s):

Go through Shark Tank really quick cuz I thought I was excited to see you guys on it. And I was like, all right, I know these guys, I know this company. This is awesome. Cause they don’t do a lot of stuff in the automotive space. And other than Robert, none of ’em are really automotive people. And I was surprised that they went at you guys hard in the beginning for an overvaluation. And then there was a few things. I mean, mark, you know, mark called it a Touch to Trust product. Okay. I I get it. I was kind of in that boat. So I get that

Lightning (15m 32s):

Where, where that means consumers have to see it, feel,

Holman (15m 34s):

See touching Yeah. To understand it. Yeah. But you guys did a great job of showing how it’s, how the structure within the envelope to keep it rigid. Tell that

Lightning (15m 44s):

Baby to shut up over there. All right. No,

Ken Hoeve (15m 46s):

I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Every everybody on this podcast is going on a flight with me.

Holman (15m 52s):


Ken Hoeve (15m 52s):

Right. Until I order that first cocktail.

Holman (15m 54s):

So, so long story short, you guys got down to it. It looked like they were all gonna say no. Damon comes in at the end with a royalty deal and says, listen, you guys can absorb it. You get what, 8% until a certain amount was paid back and then 5% from there. What was that like at the very end last Shark kind of jumping and going, all right, I’m gonna give you guys a, a flyer on this.

Ken Hoeve (16m 14s):

Well it, I mean it was an interesting moment because I’ve worked in television in the past. So for me, myself personally, I went into it thinking, you know, this is a great opportunity to spread the word of our brand, but also I’m not worried about the cameras around. I just want to talk to five people that are incredibly talented and understand investing and, and believing in products. And for me, you know, I’m, I’m sure you guys deal with it, there’s so many people that are online haters that try to write negative things. I’m like, what if five people think about us that are, you know, into investing in the companies about something they’ve never probably heard of and what do they think?

Ken Hoeve (16m 54s):

So it was cool to go through. And it’s interesting that you mentioned Robert because he’s an avid outdoorsman. I really appreciated the moment during the program when Mr. Wonderful said, oh I have an F-150, which is like, yeah, the number one selling vehicle. I was like, oh, I’m not surprised I have an F-150 so I get it. You know, and he came at us and to go through the entire thing and you know, obviously when you go on the program you think of who’s gonna be interested and, and you know, Damon was definitely someone we thought of. He understands fabric, you know, he makes clothing lines and he makes brands. And really with our product what it is, it is, it is a material, it is something that you can cut out a pattern and to put together into construct.

Ken Hoeve (17m 37s):

So it was really awesome to see that he was interested and we were just so fired up just to, you know, have the opportunity not only to present our brand to the world, but also to put it in front of sharks who are very good at what they do.

Lightning (17m 51s):

Did it surprise you though, Ken, that Damon who is, you know, again famous for apparel lines and such, going after being interested in a company in a genre that he knows we think very little about?

Ken Hoeve (18m 5s):

Yeah, well I think you’d actually, you know, if you dive deeper in a Damon about who he is, I mean he owns a farm slash ranch in New York. He is definitely an outdoorsman and yeah. To, to have him, I almost feel like he waited it out a little bit. I, I think and watched what everybody else had to say and like, okay, I’m gonna come in there and you know, we, we figured we would get an opportunity to have an offer, but to have him really listen to everything that we had to say and on the show, you know, you’re edited down to likely what’s, I don’t know, I haven’t gone back and watched it and timed it, but 10 minutes, let’s say out of their program you’re there for maybe a half an hour, 40 minutes really talking with them and they edit out certain things.

Ken Hoeve (18m 52s):

So it was interesting to get kind of get to know him and have more of a conversation that wasn’t seen on the program on how much of an outdoorsman he is and how much he really understood it.

Holman (19m 4s):

I, I, I think the turning point for me, everybody kind of in the beginning was sort of like, okay, we sort of get it and you guys explained the technology, they’re like, okay, so you know, people with trucks, you know, blah blah blah. But when, I think it was Mr Wonderful, I can’t remember, talked about the price differentiation between a standard longed, you know, cap for example, which goes around $4,000 and your inflatable product, which arguably is way more user friendly and way more flexible for around $2,000. I think that’s when the Sharks kind of got interested cuz they realized, oh my gosh, not only is there margin in the product that you guys are making, but you’re 50% of the standard product that people buy out there and that’s a, a hell of a sales proposition.

Ken Hoeve (19m 49s):

Yeah, no that’s right. And that was an interesting part of it for us, you know, to have their feedback because again, when you go into the program you don’t know if they’ve heard of you or not. And to have them bring that back to us and to mention that, and it was Kevin that said that, you know, how much does a traditional shell cost you? And you know, we kind of gave them a conservative number on what they are. I mean let’s face it, truck toppers can go from a couple thousand dollars to a lot of money, especially if you want a color match and you want a specific model. And also the fact that they’re back ordered for most of the time so people can’t even get them. So it was awesome that they got it.

Ken Hoeve (20m 29s):

I have to throw this into listeners of your show. When they were watching us do the actual program, there were so many moments for like the first, I don’t know, five to 10 minutes that we had to make them understand exactly what we were representing and presenting because we didn’t have the ability to actually pull a truck into the studio. We actually had to construct kind of out of plywood and whatnot and put a banner on it, what looked like a truck there or what looked like a car to put the air carrier on. So had we had the ability, I think to pull a truck into their facility and to set it up in, its what I would say natural environment would’ve been a little bit different.

Holman (21m 15s):

Yeah. And I think when you see it on a truck, if you go to AFL get, that’s get F L A T E D The first image that comes up is a, you know, Chevy full size 2,500 HD and you’ve got the camper shell on the back and you’ve got the air carrier on the roof. And I think it does a really good job of illustrating kind of the size, what it looks like on a vehicle. I think they’re super cool looking and you get a sense for the way the product integrates into the vehicle, I guess. And you’ve got a lot of photos of like crossover vehicles or lightweight vehicles that have the smaller, you know, air cargo carrier on it. And to me it’s like those vehicles that have a dynamic roof load limit, it’s so much smarter to have the inflatable product up there cuz you have more capacity for payload and, and, and things to store inside, which I think is crazy smart.

Holman (22m 1s):


Lightning (22m 2s):

You’re bearing one of the leads here that Dan Watts, the, one of the, the co-founder, there’s a photo of him standing on top of

Ken Hoeve (22m 7s):

It. Dan, by the way, does all of our, not only our engineering for the products themselves, but also for our website and everything. And the thing to share with people is that we’re not a huge corporation at this moment. I mean there’s four of us. There’s myself who I have dubbed myself, the chief marketing officer, the cmo, Ryan Gay, who, that’s where I’m leaving from right now is Missoula, Montana. He’s our ceo, Dan Watts who does all of our designing. And then Monique Keefer, who truly on that program, shark Tank, nobody really got a real true grasp on how much she made that happen. She is unbelievable.

Ken Hoeve (22m 48s):

She’s not only our chief marketing officer, she’s in charge of doing all of our shipping and receiving and this and that. She is like the, the detailed oriented general of minutia that keeps us going. And when we went in there, which I should talk about on what we evaluated our company at or evaluated our company at, I, I don’t wanna go into too much details cuz I don’t wanna avoid the trust of Shark Tank, but we didn’t actually like file to be on the show like, Hey, we wanna come on your show. They’re producers, a couple of them that put the show together, read about us in a magazine, I think it was Men’s Journal or one of those, saw a little story and then reached out to Ryan, wrote him and said, Hey, we read about you, would you be interested in being on Shark Tank?

Ken Hoeve (23m 35s):

And Yeah, I know, right? And I love that. Thank you so much. You’re welcome. I’m looking, I’m looking around at everybody here at the airport looking at me like, oh, you’re the guy on Shark Tank as you speak loudly, now’s your chance. But yeah, right.

Holman (23m 50s):

Take advantage

Ken Hoeve (23m 51s):

Of that. And so, so they wrote to us, and of course we had thought about this down the road to go to them potentially and be on that program, but when the opportunity came to us, we decided, yeah, this is a great chance. And we, we took that and went on there. So like part of the evaluation when they went, wow, you know, like Mr. Wonderful said, you know, I see you as a million dollar company where as we evaluate ourselves. Yeah. And that was part of it, you know, we aim for the stars because we know the potential of this brand. We know where it’s going to go. And it wasn’t like we, I, I’d hate to say filed with them, you know, or, or came to them with the idea and said, Hey, we’re worth this much.

Ken Hoeve (24m 34s):

They came to us, we talked to them and said, you know, this is what we feel we’re worth. And we knew going into it, we’d probably get torn up on the evaluation. And that’s where Monique, oh my goodness, she is amazing. She came through for us.

Lightning (24m 48s):

So let’s talk about the product for a second. I have a feeling that those listening are going okay. So I I’m not fully understanding how this topper or any of these pieces can be as strong and rigid as they are built out a material.

Holman (25m 1s):

So real quick to that point on Shark Tank, they had this cutaway of the material and they use a technology called Drop stitch and what it does that’s right. It creates little fibrous, I guess, structures between the two walls and it’s so hard to explain in audio. And it was brilliant. Cause when they showed that on Shark Tank, you’re going, oh, I get it. So it’s not just a a, let’s say instead of a a ball that’s inflated it, think of it, if you were to cut the ball in in half and it just had the walls, it would fall apart. These have like little lines that, are

Lightning (25m 35s):

They little polygons inside? No,

Holman (25m 37s):

Sometimes strings, strands,

Lightning (25m 38s):

Strings. Okay.

Ken Hoeve (25m 39s):

It is, it is. I, you know, I hate to use the term dental floss, but I mean we all know how strong dental floss is, right? Like you could pull on it like crazy and you can’t pull it apart. Name one person that’s ever pulled a piece of dental floss apart. And I’m not saying that’s what drops stitch is, but drops stitch has been around for decades. Several decades. And what it is, is it comes in different sizes. There’s two inch, four inch, there’s also, I believe we’ve not utilized it yet, but up to eight inch drop stitch. And if you can imagine two panels that are connected by dental floss or fibers, right? I hate to use that terminology, but when there’s no air in it, both the panels meet each other.

Ken Hoeve (26m 22s):

So it’s super narrow. It’s very, very small. And anyone that is familiar with standup paddle boarding or more specifically inflatable standup paddle boards, it’s a big thick wide rigid board when it’s inflated. But when it’s deflated, it compresses together and it rolls up into a bag. So that is essentially what the technology is. And I mean, I’m just speculating, I haven’t actually looked into the stats on it, but if you can imagine in an area that’s like five inches by five inches, there’s hundreds of those fibers that are connecting the bottom panel to the top panel. And what happens is, let’s say a balloon as an example, when you inflate it, it goes round because there’s nothing connecting one side wall to the other.

Ken Hoeve (27m 8s):

Well, with drop stitch, you inflate it. Once those threads or fibers connect and they’re connecting the top and the bottom, they go rigid. So you can actually build structures out of it. And that’s exactly what we have done. We are the first company that’s actually built rigid structures out of drops stitch.

Lightning (27m 28s):

How long did it take you to develop the first prototype and what was it? Was it the

Ken Hoeve (27m 33s):

Topper? It it was the topper. Oh man, that was, and and forgive me, I’m actually standing up and I’m about to walk into a check-in line. Okay. On a flight while talking to you guys. As I fly back to

Lightning (27m 45s):

Colorado, we’re going ring this out until you’re sitting down on the airplane.

Ken Hoeve (27m 50s):

I feel like I should yell to everybody in the line that I’m talking to you guys. Cause I’m sure there’s Yeah,

Lightning (27m 54s):

I on Shark Tank. You bet. Without getting you in trouble for talking on the plane here, when you go to get, you get the air topper, the air carrier, the air deck, the air chalet, which is the, the doghouse. Basically. They’ve got all kinds of accessories as well. Where are people buying these? Are they getting them through get or through Amazon? Are we going to a specialty retailer like a four-wheel parts location? Take me through that. Well,

Ken Hoeve (28m 23s):

That’s a great question. Primarily people are coming to the website. It’s been amazing how many people actually go, I, I would say to anyone out there starting a business or doing a business use Instagram, it’s amazing how many people you can reach through that. So we have our Instagram account that is, you know, directly linked to our website and our Facebook and whatnot, which we’ll get to. For us personally, it’s primarily through our website. We do have REI as a retailer. We also have Amazon who is now on board, which by the way, both of my sons, I have a 15 and 17 year old son. And if you go to our Instagram account, the number one video that we have is of my 17 year old son Hunter.

Ken Hoeve (29m 7s):

He had just gotten a used Tacoma, which was like his dream truck. It showed up. So I ordered him off of our website, one of our products, the air ca or excuse me, the the air topper and specific for his vehicle. And I just shot a video of him opening him up, putting it on the ground, inflating it, putting on, as of right now it’s had just under 9 million views. Oh

Lightning (29m 31s):

My gosh.

Ken Hoeve (29m 33s):

Yeah, it’s crazy. Go to our site, which as I’m leaving Montana last night I sent him a little photo. I went one of my biggest, I’m a fanboy of whistling diesel. I think that guy’s Oh yeah, it’s hilarious. Yep. And, and, and not that I ever want to exile squatted truck guys from having one of our toppers. Yes, you

Lightning (29m 57s):


Ken Hoeve (29m 59s):

Thank you for the bell ring. I love how he just like goes, Hey, yeah, I bought this truck, it’s squatted, I’m gonna destroy it. But I, I went on and as of last night, I looked at it and he had a video that he just bought a Ferrari and it has like seven and a half million views. And you know, when you have a teenage son, you’re always trying to like, you know, boost him out and be like, Hey, check this out. And my son was like, oh dad, I don’t want to shoot this video. And I was like, oh, let’s just do this. We did it in my driveway and that thing’s had almost 9 million.

Holman (30m 28s):

So did you slide into a whistling diesel dms go, Hey bro, got 9 million.

Ken Hoeve (30m 34s):

Dude, I I, I actually thought about that in doing that with him. Yeah, but I don’t wanna be that guy that’s like, Hey man, like I’m a fanboy of you. But you know, if I could throw that out there to whistle and diesel, huge props. I love your tank. I love how you destroy things. I love how you just absolutely annihilate squatted trucks, especially ones that are purple with big stickers in the back. And yeah, I thought, and, and actually I would like to reach out to him. It’d be super fun. I like to run things over and those are our videos mean who doesn’t most popular? Yeah. I I I want him to take his tank and run our stuff over.

Lightning (31m 11s):

I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t take your money for, for to destroy something. I don’t know though. But Cody is an interesting character. Like, it doesn’t seem like he could be bought, but I’d be, it’d be interesting to see, you know.

Ken Hoeve (31m 22s):

Well, no, no, no. I don’t even wanna buy him. Like, I just, I think he’s an asset to the truck community. I mean that guy, he, he does what all of us are thinking about doing. You’re like, I wanna do this, I wanna do that. Love him or hate him. He’s just like, Hey man, here’s who I am. And the thing I really appreciate about that guy is I’ve gotten more into his stuff over the past, like couple months just watching because of my sons. I watched one of his podcasts where he said, Hey, I was like practically homeless and they were gonna shut my electric off two years ago. And I went and I did this. Now

Holman (31m 55s):

He owns the

Ken Hoeve (31m 55s):

Electric company. I, so no, he’s,

Lightning (31m 58s):

He’s turned out to be a great work. He’s awesome. Yeah, he’s,

Ken Hoeve (32m 1s):

He is he legit? For sure. So Ken, hey. And I, I am, I am walking on the plane, so I might talk a little lower

Holman (32m 7s):

Something. No, no worries. So this business started in what, 2020, which would put it right in the throes of Covid. What was the genesis for it and how did you forge together? How did you know each other and know this was the right team to come up with this completely revolutionary idea in truck storage?

Ken Hoeve (32m 23s):

Well, the four of us were part of a brand for years designing paddle boards. So I had not only the designer, but also someone that was in charge of our shipping or receiving and ran the company. And this was before Covid that I actually had the initial idea. And we all of a sudden, you know, found ourselves unemployed like a lot of people. And I called our CEO Ryan one day and I said, man, you know, I realized yesterday. And, and a lot of people don’t realize that the initial idea came because I’m a fly fisherman and I had a fly box come off my truck and break, and I thought, oh, we could make this outta drops stitch. So I called Ryan and I was like, man, have you ever thought of making anything else outta drops stitch?

Ken Hoeve (33m 8s):

And we hadn’t. And then he calls me the next day, he’s like, what if we made truck accessories? I was like, how about a topper? And that’s where it started, you know, from an idea amongst friends. All of us had been let go from our jobs. And

Holman (33m 22s):

What’s it like to be around incredibly intelligent people and creative people like that?

Ken Hoeve (33m 27s):

Oh man, you guys know how it is. You guys are really talented yourselves.

Holman (33m 32s):

I don’t know about that. We

Ken Hoeve (33m 33s):

Have a chief,

Holman (33m 34s):

We’re co-chief suckage officers over here. As he’s,

Lightning (33m 36s):

As he’s telling that story. Can you just hear like the, the idea come across and the angels,

Holman (33m 42s):

He’s like, I got it. I can, I got the

Lightning (33m 44s):

Idea. Absolutely. List the money maker right here. And in a couple

Ken Hoeve (33m 47s):

Years, what’s that check carry on, carry on. Sorry. Sorry, sorry, Kelly. Sorry, Kelly from United just asked me if I was carrying on or checking. Love check, anything I’m carrying

Holman (33m 56s):

On Chuck Keer. We said hi.

Ken Hoeve (33m 59s):

I will. He’s walked away from me now. Okay. No, it, it was a, it was a great moment. And you know, that’s the one thing I would say beyond what we’ve done, you know, we’re just a, a portion of truck campers. You know, there’s aluminum, there’s fiberglass, there’s soft top who by the way, we think are awesome. All of them. If you’re someone that wants to put a topper on the back of your truck works, huge fans of that. But we’re just like another, you know, variation of it. We’re just, you know, a different variety of it. And from this, we’ve learned so much from like entrepreneurialship, if I say that correctly. And to actually start our own brand. We’ve worked for brands for many years.

Ken Hoeve (34m 40s):

I’m still an ambassador. I worked with Yeti coolers. I was their very first outdoor ambassador, which I still am at 52 years old. Super proud. Hell yeah. That’s, that’s big. I’m very proud of that.

Holman (34m 51s):

We have a Yeti Cup holder in our studio. It’s, it, it’s a Cooi or a, a Tumblr. And it holds all of our pens and our in our scissors.

Ken Hoeve (34m 59s):

All right, well I will tell you this. After this you will send me your address and I will send you proper Yeti year. Oh cause they’re awesome. Awesome. Oh wow. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. We’re wholeheartedly. Hey. And, and you’ll hold and you’ll hold me accountable about that to your listeners in that it’s gonna show up. They, they are the best brand to work with. And honestly, they’ve been someone that has inspired me. They, as big as they are, they have the best customer service, they have the best products, and if something goes wrong, they straighten it out. And for me as an ambassador, whenever, you know, like I need something for someone, as an example, I had a friend that’s a, a firefighter in Florida and I wanted to send him a cooler and buy it.

Ken Hoeve (35m 41s):

And they’re like, no, no, don’t worry about it. All of a sudden, like three coolers that he needed showed up so that they could go down and do some hurricane battling. So that’s awesome. Great brand. And, and, and that’s someone that I’ve tried to emulate with my business. No, here, I’m about to check it. Well, you have to say hi to the podcast. Say hi. Hi. There you go. And your name is, he won’t tell me. Doesn’t matter. I’m scanning my ticket. Okay.

Lightning (36m 4s):

There we’re, as you scan your ticket. So as Ken, tell us about the, the wind resistance and or the insulation on, on these toppers.

Ken Hoeve (36m 12s):

Honestly, when you’re camping out in the cold, it’s cold. You know, I use a heater in the bed of the truck. There is a touch of insulation over the top of being part of, you know, having just material there or fiberglass. But overall, you know, it’s up to you. I, I mean, I use proper sleeping arrangements or bedding. I like to use like a 50 degree below zero. I don’t want walking back beyond the line. Cause everyone’s looking at me like

Lightning (36m 38s):

You go, I feel bad. Now we’re just

Ken Hoeve (36m 40s):

Like, literally I’m the crazy guy.

Lightning (36m 43s):

Okay, love it. Now he’s in line. The air, what do you call that? The airway? No, the the

Holman (36m 47s):

Jet bridge.

Lightning (36m 47s):

The jet,

Ken Hoeve (36m 48s):

Yeah. I’m in the tunnel. I’m, I’m literally in the jet bridge. I’m turning okay backwards. And here comes the guy that checked me in. All right, Ken,

Holman (36m 55s):

When you get on the plane, I have a hashtag and you can check it out on, on Instagram. It exists. It’s hashtag pat the plane. And every time I get on a plane, I pat the side of it and take a picture of it and I hashtag pat the plane on Instagram. You could join Pat the Plane Nation if you do the same thing right now.

Ken Hoeve (37m 11s):

I’m about to do it. I’m, I’m going online. I love it. Hold on. Pat Micro,

Lightning (37m 15s):

It’s your right hand. Yeah, right hand. Your right hand on

Holman (37m 18s):

The, on the outside of the plane next to the door.

Ken Hoeve (37m 20s):

Okay, I’m gonna do it right now. As I climb onto the plane, I’m about to

Lightning (37m 24s):


Ken Hoeve (37m 25s):

Across the plate itself.

Lightning (37m 26s):

Hashtag pat the

Holman (37m 27s):

Plane. Pat the plane. And, and here’s the thing. 100% success rate in in safety.

Lightning (37m 33s):


Ken Hoeve (37m 35s):

I like that. I’m looking at it right now. I’m going through, you know, everybody that when they get on the plane off of this little bridge, they look at the gear shift or the, I don’t know, it’s like a arcade.

Lightning (37m 45s):

It’s to make, its to make the bridge go up and outta left and right and in and out.

Ken Hoeve (37m 49s):

Yeah. Everybody loves to play with it, but you know, you never do. But that’s where I’m at. And I can actually see the United, if I can mention that wifi and Direct TV sticker on the side of the plane. I’m gonna take that picture of that, I’m gonna send it to you and I’ll send it. So, all right, listen,

Lightning (38m 4s):

We’re we’re our top. The clock is taken right here. So, you can see their entire story, the company history and all of the products that you’re gonna want to investigate. If you don’t currently have a topper or if you looking for platform, the air deck right carrier, you’re looking for a place to put your dog, right? Their chalet is amazing. Yes, I have

Holman (38m 24s):

Absolutely your co-host.

Ken Hoeve (38m 25s):

Hey boys, you’re with me right now. I’m taking the picture right now. Yes. This woman in front of me takes some nuts. Here we go. Playing on, it’s taken.

Holman (38m 37s):

I love it. Boom.

Ken Hoeve (38m 38s):

Watch this. Wait, wait. I’ll ask her. Hey, don’t forgive me for thinking I’m crazy. I’m on a podcast right now with these enormous guys that are absolutely awesome. Where am I? Montana? Getting on a plane. There you go. There there’s the proof, right? All right. Hey, how are I? Thank you. All right. Oh, thank you. This is gonna get weird. Sanitizing wipe.

Lightning (38m 58s):

This is gonna get weird. All. Alright, so listen Ken, Hove, we appreciate you so much for literally his last few minutes before you,

Holman (39m 6s):

Before they yelled him, turn it off and shut the door. Okay. On Instagram at Get Deflated, they’re on YouTube at deflated. Guess what? TikTok at Deflated. It looks like Pinterest. Well, at conflated,

Ken Hoeve (39m 18s):

I’ll just say this as, as I’m walking through getting on the plate right now, looking at a bunch of people going to Colorado that are wondering who I’m talking to. I’ll just throw this out to your listeners. Just go check out our Instagram, our Facebook, and see what we’re about. We know that there are tons of topper options out there. We’re just one of them. And we’re doing our best. We’re a small brand and we offer the ability for people that don’t have room to have a topper in their yard, which we call yard art. And people that are, you know, don’t have four friends to come over and pick up a topper to take it on. Take it off. Or if you have, you know, like with me, I have sons that are dirt bikers. So sometimes we need a tupper, sometimes we don’t.

Ken Hoeve (39m 59s):

We’re just giving people another option. And that’s really what it’s

Holman (40m 3s):

About. All right, Ken, two things before we let you go. Cause we know you gotta sit down. Number one, if you go to get inflated right now and buy, well, any, any other products, shark Tank is the free shipping code. That’s number one. And number two, hugely important. We, we love you Kim. We wanna have you come back on the show and you’ve got a little bit more time. But I want to make sure everybody in the plane knows who you are. And you should just say out loud right now. Yeah, that’s right. I was the guy on Shark Tank two episodes ago. Go ahead and say it for us and for

Ken Hoeve (40m 31s):

You. Do you actually want me to do that? Yeah.

Lightning (40m 33s):

Do it really want me to do that? Yeah, do it. I’m gonna do

Ken Hoeve (40m 35s):

It. I feel like I should video guys. I’m on a podcast right now with these incredibly important people and I’m he, they’re asking me to tell you that I was just on Shark Tank on Friday. Yeah.

Lightning (40m 47s):

Thank, thank you. Thank yes.

Ken Hoeve (40m 52s):

New. I’ve made friends and enemies here right now. Thank you guys for having me on. I

Lightning (40m 58s):

Love it.

Ken Hoeve (40m 59s):

Everyone think everyone thinks, everyone thinks I’m buying drinks for everyone right

Lightning (41m 4s):

Now. Oh, I love it. Well,

Holman (41m 5s):

Sorry, sorry about that. But thanks for making the time. Let’s, let’s get you back on the show when you guys, you know, get, have something new. Let us know. And I’m gonna keep up with you. Thank you so much. You’ve been awesome. We really appreciate your time. Thank you.

Lightning (41m 17s):

Have a safe flight

Ken Hoeve (41m 18s):

Also, if you guys need anything, let us know.

Holman (41m 19s):

Awesome. We will. Congratulations on the Shark Tank deal.

Ken Hoeve (41m 22s):

All right, thanks fellas.

Holman (41m 23s):

Thanks, Ken. All right. Can’t see you, man. Bye. Bye.

Lightning (41m 28s):

All right. My frontier truck driving. Fu it’s news time.

5 (41m 33s):

What’s new in trucks? What’s new in trucks? What’s new in trucks

Intro Jingle (41m 43s):

Lifted everything. What’s happening in the

Lightning (41m 53s):

Didn’t know you were gonna do it. Nope, you never do. It’s me going eye and you doing some cowboy thing now. It was cool. What? Why, why, why does that bother you? No, I like that. Just would tried it all the time. Why? Cause you wanted to do a cowboy thing too. I just would’ve shut up. Listen, I would’ve let you do your thing. Shit. There’s too money. What would your bullets in the air, can you put your gun away? Okay. Sorry. Please. Sorry. Uncomfortable. Well, I felt like cowboy shoot, put put your firearm shoot stuff in back in your, in the air shoot stuff. Holman seriously just pulled out a pistol. The <unk> wrong with you. I did not, I did not do that thing. Sure. Yeah. All right. Post pictures. I can’t, right, exactly.

Lightning (42m 34s):

Cuz it didn’t happen. Well, here, I’ll do it right now. It’s laying on the seat. No, see? Yeah, it’s no. Oh, come on. I couldn’t get my phone out fast. Ah, hey lighting. Did you hear? No,

7 (42m 45s):

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Lightning (42m 48s):

No. Nope. I didn’t. Chevy Silverado apparently broke because one of the Nope, no wrong story. Oh, wrong story, wrong story. The frame didn’t snap when, when the halls were racing. It not on a Silverado. Hmm. Nope. According to a report from Carfax, as many as 153,000 vehicles in the US had their Cadillac converters stolen in 2022. And here where we live in Southern California, people literally roam the streets tonight looking for Prius’s and anything else. Honda cords and all sorts of stuff that they can cut Cataly, they love the hybrids because they use the catalytic converter less because it’s, it’s virtually new when they get to it.

Lightning (43m 32s):

So Tacomas by the way, if you of ’em know Tacoma dude get a, get a cash shield or something on there. So apparently, according to GM authority for reference, the number of insurance claims for cat replacement were only around 52,000 in 2021. So it’s happening at a pretty, pretty fast clip. Have you seen the guys steal them? Oh yeah. Usually they go in Paris and they have two saws, battery powered saws. One takes the front one takes the back. Yep. And they, they clip it out at the same time it drops. One drops and they get outta there. They get outta there and they’re gone in 30 seconds there. And I’ve seen ring camera footage of it. Was there a dude who put, jumped in his car while they were under it and then drove over the dude? Yes. And then there’s another one here in Huntington Beach where I live where it was a hell cat and a cop was pulling just on routine patrol.

Lightning (44m 14s):

These dudes pulled out in front of him at a high rate of speed, get into a short pursuit, and then they crashed into a palm tree and a fence. And I think that they caught on fire and they opened the trunk. It was full of catalytic murders. Just the cop happened to be the right place for the right time. Two o’clock in the afternoon in front of banks tech, our military division catalytic converter, stolen off a Tacoma. Yes. One of our employees.

Holman (44m 35s):

So it says that the vehicles that are specifically targeted are the Ford F-Series pickup. It ranked number one overall while the Honda Accord came in second, the Chevy Silverado was the eighth most targeted vehicle, which is actually down three spots from 2021. And the Chevy Equinox is the seventh most targeted vehicle up one spot from 2021. So listen, if you got those vehicles, you probably want to, I don’t know, be aware park doors, put a skid a plate on it, weld a picture of a fallis on the side of it so people know it’s stolen.

Lightning (45m 11s):

Can we do some inside baseball here?

Holman (45m 13s):

Park in a welded area. Park in your garage. Be aware of the area. Install anti theft device, install motion sensing security lights. Have a muffler shop etch your vehicle’s vin on the cat and make it un resellable. Now you have some idea thing that you’re working on. Are you ready to talk about it or what?

Lightning (45m 30s):

So I’m not any, I’m not working on it anymore. No, it was shot down.

Holman (45m 34s):


Lightning (45m 35s):

All right. Which, so I, I mean, I think I can talk about it, right? I mean, we’re not gonna, so

Holman (45m 39s):

I guess we, why did you go do it on your own?

Lightning (45m 43s):

I, I can’t because I work at a company that makes aftermarket automotive parts. So if I were to make my own, I think I would be fired for going, for competing with my own company.

Holman (45m 54s):

But you’re not in this, that category cuz the,

Lightning (45m 57s):

It’s it’s making automotive aftermarket parts. I think that the guy who owns my company would not be thrilled with that. Okay.

Holman (46m 4s):

All right. Well moving right along.

Lightning (46m 5s):

So yeah, I don’t think that, I don’t think that etching your vin matters, I think that’s a waste of time and effort because someone’s just gonna grind it off and there’s a secondary market where they’re selling catalytic converters to people who have already had them stolen. So that’s not gonna work. And there are a few companies have just popped up. You’ll see them on Instagram and Facebook that are making shields, cat shields. And some are relatively inexpensive. I I haven’t found any for the Silverado, for the full-size pickups. So that was gonna be my thing. I was gonna build those at banks and offer them to all the full-size truck owners. Gas That is of course. Cuz you have cats.

Lightning (46m 46s):

And that was shot down.

Holman (46m 49s):

You sound sad. I

Lightning (46m 50s):

Truly am. I

Holman (46m 51s):

Know how excited you were

Lightning (46m 53s):

And off here. Cause I’ve talked about it a lot and you guys don’t know this. And it just was, how can I say this?

Holman (46m 60s):

I feel like you’re saying too much right now. Yeah,

Lightning (47m 1s):

Maybe. Maybe I

Holman (47m 2s):

Am. Maybe you should just

Lightning (47m 3s):

Stop. I will. I’m stopping now.

Holman (47m 4s):

I I think you just are vomiting.

Lightning (47m 6s):

Isn’t this where you hold up your new sign?

Holman (47m 8s):

Oh, this one? Yeah.

Lightning (47m 10s):

Holman bought a stop sign and I’m not even joking. Holman body reflective stop sign with a stick. It looks like a, a stir for a paint bucket connected to the bottom. This crossing guard would use this. And it’s, it’s for me, but hold on, one side says stop. And the other side says this is slow. Slow.

Holman (47m 27s):

Yeah. So I figured the slow side would be lightning. Pull the reigns in, get ahold of yourself, and then as soon as you start stopping the guest really hard, I’ll just flip it over to stop. And then the other stuff when it comes to the sign is like when we’ve been talking to a guest for, I don’t know, four or five hours and I’m like, Hey, so it’s great. Here’s your socials and lightning’s like wolf. Here’s eight more questions and then we go on. Then the stop sign would come out. Listen, it’s priceless to be able to get your attention sometimes.

Lightning (47m 54s):

Can I, can I show you what I bought you? Yeah. Now this was, I was going to, I was going to do this to your vehicle. I bought this thing, these things? Yeah, because I was gonna put them on your vehicle, but I think it would be more appropriate. I’m gonna gift them to you. And you are

Holman (48m 9s):

Going to put them on your

Lightning (48m 10s):

Vehicle. Put them on? No, not cause I don’t know. It’s mine. Okay. All right. Hold on. Let show what they are. This is gift giving time right now because he got a stop sign to shut me up, which will help me. Help me in the long run and I’m giving him a small plastic baggie.

Holman (48m 23s):

They’ve gotta be like wiener valve stem covers or something. It’s exactly what they are.

Lightning (48m 30s):

Wiener valve stem covers. Yep. That’s exactly what they are. Lime green.

Holman (48m 34s):

Well, should I tell you that a certain podcast listener who lives nearby put pink ones that are these exact things in the, in the Jeep? Oh,

Lightning (48m 44s):

Well, they give, I’ll use them.

Holman (48m 46s):

So I have pink ones and I was gonna put the pink ones on yours, but I haven’t had a time alone with your truck long enough. All right.

Lightning (48m 52s):

You are the wiener king.

Holman (48m 53s):

I don’t know if that’s

Lightning (48m 54s):

You are the wiener king?

Holman (48m 56s):

No, it’s Dica

Lightning (48m 57s):


Holman (48m 57s):

That’s what they call me at the club when I draw on people.

Lightning (48m 60s):

Dude, I’m telling you guys, I Holman doesn’t check the socials as much as I do like the official at Truck Show podcast Instagram. And you guys are on fire.

Holman (49m 8s):

You guys send me everything, by

Lightning (49m 10s):

The way, do you think Dick related? It just comes

Holman (49m 11s):

To Truck show. I don’t need to go to Truck show podcast cuz they dmd me or tag me personally. Yeah. Yes. I saw the Avalanche or the, the, the Snow peak that had a mile wide wiener on Yes, I saw that. Oh, and the Break Roers, I saw that too. Oh, and the dude at the shop. Yeah, I saw that one too. But I’ve seen them so many times that when I go to sleep at night, it’s all I see. So thank you. Hey Lightning. Did you hear? Oh no.

Lightning (49m 35s):

Nope. I

Holman (49m 36s):

Didn’t. Apparently a trademark from GM has hinted what the project, project Meteor Raptor and TX Fighter might be named. And if you remember TFL reported to that project, meteor was a high performance Silverado version, I guess. And Meteor obviously destroyed the dinosaurs. So it’s again, playing like TX Raptor and all that, you know, Raptors and dinosaurs, eating things and all that stuff. Right. Apparently it could be in the Z family and it could be something like Z R X.

Lightning (50m 9s):


Holman (50m 9s):

So I guess that makes sense from their naming convention.

Lightning (50m 12s):

And, and the meteor thing is pretty creative by the way. Yeah, no, because I hadn’t put that together. The meteor created

Holman (50m 17s):

Dinosaur. What do you do? Would you rather come in as the teyl or like, like what’s bigger than a T or than a T-Rex?

Lightning (50m 23s):

Well again, the Meteor Meteor killed everything. Exactly.

Holman (50m 25s):

So that’s,

Lightning (50m 26s):

That’s funny. Creative, creative. Yeah.

Holman (50m 27s):

Yeah. I like when car companies do funny things like that. It’s, it’s, it’s cool. Anyway, lighting, did you hear?

Lightning (50m 33s):

No. No. Nope.

Holman (50m 35s):

So Ford had this survey, which I find completely bunk lightning owners Haul and truck more than regular F-150 buyers. What’s, okay, so eight early the adopters like hook up a trailer and put stuff in their bed. No, that’s ridiculous. That doesn’t, I mean, come

Lightning (50m 51s):

On. The sample size is absurdly

Holman (50m 52s):

Small. It has to be.

Lightning (50m 54s):

Yeah. I wanna thank Andrew smallish, by the way, who sent us the video of the Ford Lightning owner with the generator in the bed connected to charging itself. Charging it, yeah, charging itself. So the cable was strung around the, the bedside driver’s side up to the front. Cuz remember the charging port is up on the, in front of the driver’s door and charging itself. I’m like, what is, he’s made a, like a perpetual motion machine. What’s happening

Holman (51m 16s):

Here? Well, anyway, it, the survey just said things like F-150 lighting owners use their trucks bed more frequently than traditional internal combustion pickup truck owners, which is dumb. The survey show, the 74% of lightning owners claim to use their trucks once a month for home projects. That compares with 51% for traditional. Like how could the, yeah. Okay. So you got a bunch of really excited early adopters. Of course they’re gonna skew numbers. I mean, that’s what they do. 48% of lightning owners claim to use the truck for monthly camping as compared to 40% of F-150. And come on. I just, I don’t know. I I don’t see it. I think it’s just marketing hype to, to keep, keep the machine greased or something like that. So anyway, you can read about that story on, on Motor Trend.

Holman (51m 57s):

If you wanna look for the, the Ford survey.

Lightning (51m 59s):

Do you think that PR guy was, you’re

8 (52m 1s):

A lying sack of

Holman (52m 2s):

<unk> No, I don’t think they’re lying. I think they’re just good marketers. I mean, I think just good marketers figure out how to make the spin. They’re like, Hey, before our numbers get diluted, let’s come out with a survey that totally shows favor. Like what were the categories that they surveyed that showed they were less than a track? Well, we don’t know right? They probably had a hundred questions and they took the top 10 to build a narrative around it. That’s, that’s how that works. That’s just marketing 1 0 1. So I guess kudos to Ford for proving nothing.

Lightning (52m 30s):


Holman (52m 31s):

Nothing. All right. Lighting. Did you hear?

Lightning (52m 33s):

No. Wait. Nope.

Holman (52m 34s):

So apparently Dodge Durango, SRT Hellcat owners are trying to band together to Oh,

Lightning (52m 40s):

They’re pissed. They’re pissed. Pissed. Yeah. So I

Holman (52m 43s):

Saw this. So if you guys remember the 2021 Durango SRT Hellcat, it was limited to 3000 units and was supposed to be a one and done. And they were so overly wanted, the demand was off the charts that Dodge went back and they recalibrated the emissions ones and zeros and whatever their else they do. And they’re like, oh, we got a new run for 2023. And then all the 2021 people went, wait, what?

Lightning (53m 8s):

Not cool.

Holman (53m 10s):

I, I personally was like right on another year.

Lightning (53m 13s):

But you don’t own one so you’re not burnt.

Holman (53m 16s):

Okay. But yeah. All right. So everybody thought 3 92 Jeep, they’re looking, hold on, hold on. Everybody thought 3 92 Jeep was gonna be a a two or three year. The 2024 model just got opened up on dealer ordering this week. 3 92 s in there. And it has a bunch of upgrades above mine. I’m not mad. I love the frick outta mine.

Lightning (53m 32s):

No, no, no, no, no, no. That’s for a different reason. These guys were citing they wanted the resale value to no go up.

Holman (53m 38s):

You think that that’s any different with a 3 92 owner? It’s the same exact thing. I

Lightning (53m 42s):

I don’t,

Holman (53m 44s):


Lightning (53m 44s):

I, I don’t know. I don’t know. But what I do know, it’s the same thing. That’s what they were citing as

Holman (53m 49s):

I I get that. But when you bought a 3 92, I’ve seen on the forms, people are like, oh, I thought this was the last year. Now they have a new one with a new interior and, and they, you know, better axle in the rear. And now mine sucks. No, it doesn’t. You’re just fricking rad. Like, there, there’s a lot of nice upgrades coming to the regular 3 92 for 24 and the rest of the ring room lineup. It’s

Lightning (54m 9s):

The people who are buying the vehicles for exclusivity. Well, never. And, and now they’re nots BS

Holman (54m 13s):

Anymore. That’s bs If you buy a vehicle because you think it’s gonna appreciate and value, you’re putting your money in the wrong thing. Go to real estate, go to stocks, go to things matter. Vehicles are so tumultuous. Like that’s just not a good place to save money, buy a vehicle because you love it. And I don’t love mine less because the 20 fours are gonna have a few upgrades that are not, I’ve put a bunch of upgrades on mine. Guess what? I’m headed out to Arizona this week. I’m gonna go wheel the crap out of it with a bunch of people. So

Lightning (54m 38s):

There could be a group of people that could barely afford the vehicle to begin with. They bought it. They’ve scratched every penny they could together.

Holman (54m 44s):

Guess what? Life

Lightning (54m 45s):

Is unfair. And that Yeah, that’s exactly right. That’s it. And they, they thought, oh, they explained to their wives like, this is gonna go up in value.

Holman (54m 51s):

Well, you know what? Then they’re stupid. Then they shouldn’t have money cuz they spend it dumbly

Lightning (54m 56s):


Holman (54m 57s):

Hey, lightning, did you hear?

9 (54m 59s):

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Lightning (55m 1s):


Holman (55m 2s):

Nope. So in the massive floods in California, a levee broke, and you may have seen it on the internet, where a couple of farmers drove two trucks right into the levee hole when it broke.

Lightning (55m 13s):

And they looked like new trucks, like a new F-150 and a new Silverado.

Holman (55m 17s):

New newer, newish, I think it was a GMT 900 GMC or Silverado. And the F-150, I’m not sure because it was covered in water when I saw the pictures, but apparently they dumped them into the, into the levy and then put dirt around it to build up the burn because otherwise the water was rushing through and it would’ve been a, a massive issue in, in order to try and fix it while

Lightning (55m 39s):

The drain on the GM truck that it, they had put a bunch of mud and dirt in the

Holman (55m 43s):

Bed. Same, same

Lightning (55m 44s):

With the Ford. Right? And so imagine that you’ve got a, for those that don’t know what a levy is, it’s a dam, basically a very short dam. And it had a hole in it about, looked like 20 feet wide. And who knows, millions of gallons of water are going through this and flooding the farmland. So they made the quick decision, we’re gonna use our trucks to fill this hole in the dam in order to save maybe, who knows, millions on their farm, right? I would only imagine. So they’re like, it’s, it’s a hundred grand in trucks versus a million dollars in destroyed farmland. So they just drove like,

Holman (56m 17s):

Well, people on the internet were going, you’re just gonna file an insurance claim and da da. And the guy’s like, dude, my land is worth millions of dollars. I don’t care about the trucks. I’ll pull ’em out and we’ll figure it out. But I’m not filing insurance claim on ’em. It is what it is. And I mean, you gotta have balls to just grab a piece of farm equipment and plug a hole in your levy. Like that’s fast thinking. What else are you gonna put through? That’s that big that you could stem the, the water? I mean, it, it, it makes sense, but apparently they did an updated photo of the orchard and, and it looks like, you know, they saved it for now. Although a lot of water was coming at that time. So not the ideal way to solve the problem, but hey, it, it worked and you know, these guys were able to, to save the crops. So, you know, kudos to them for having the, the balls to dump a couple trucks in a hole.

Holman (57m 3s):

Bad phrasing. Yes, it is

Lightning (57m 5s):

Just, I was letting it sink

Holman (57m 6s):

In speak. Speaking of bad phrasing, you wanna give Emmy a call?

Lightning (57m 9s):

Oh, you mean potty mouth Emmy Hall. Oh my god. So thank you guys for alerting us to the F-bomb that I left in the episode for about three hours. Oops. She just drops f-bombs in so fast. They’re like micro bombs. And I sometimes as I’m editing, I don’t hear all of them. Yeah. And I

Holman (57m 27s):

Try and I listen too and I try and hear ’em and, and

Lightning (57m 30s):

We do. But every show by the way, goes through two rounds of editing, guys for you listen all time.

Holman (57m 33s):

But normally I’m listening at like 1.5 x. And so some of those fast ones, they, it just sounds like a breath of of air or something like that.

Lightning (57m 40s):

She’s a machine guy. Fast

Holman (57m 41s):

Bombs. So let, let’s call her and hope for the best on this one. That there won’t

Lightning (57m 45s):

Be any editing. There’s no way she can’t, she can’t not say the F word.

Holman (57m 49s):

It’s like, like I said, it’s like breathing.

Lightning (57m 52s):

All right. All right, let’s style a Yeah. Potty.

Emme Hall (58m 3s):


Lightning (58m 5s):

Emmy freaking Hall, lightning and Home podcast.

Holman (58m 10s):


12 (58m 11s):

World. Yeah buddy.

Holman (58m 15s):

So how was it racing in a class of one,

Emme Hall (58m 20s):

Not one. There were four.

Holman (58m 23s):

Well, I just meant you were the only Miata out there. That’s all I was. I was, I was. There’s no shade being thrown there at all.

Lightning (58m 29s):

Yeah. Line sack. Hold on a second. Intro time.

Intro Jingle (58m 32s):

Here we go. Truck, famous, hero, star, vip ace, big weight hotshot truck. Famous big shot, big deal. Big gut, big cheese, heavyweight superstar truck. Famous. That’s what you are.

Holman (58m 47s):

Okay, so here’s the deal. Let let now you, I’ve

Emme Hall (58m 50s):

Never heard that intro before

Holman (58m 52s):

As our listeners. Well cause you know you’re not truck famous until now. So here’s the deal. Wait,

Lightning (58m 56s):

Wait, no, no, no truck adjacent famous.

Holman (58m 58s):

No, no, no, no, no. Here’s the deal. Let me explain this. Emmy was giving us a rash of crap on the previous episode and me in person and she’s like, listen, I should charge you guys to come on the show, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I’m like, no, wait a minute. Your whole Yeah buddy. Yeah Emmy that came from us dude, your whole persona. And she’s like, well yeah, but blah blah, blah. But here’s what’s funny. Emmy sends me a text from contingency on Las Vegas trip going to the mid 400 where they’re doing the parade. And she’s like, a bunch of people came up to me and they all know me from the truck show podcast. And I’m like, I’m like, now you’re truck famous. And now it just confirms.

Holman (59m 39s):

We made you famous. Yeah,

Emme Hall (59m 41s):


Holman (59m 42s):

Oh, did you just Yeah, buddy here with somebody else. I did. Yeah. Damn buddy.

Emme Hall (59m 47s):

Oh my god.

Holman (59m 48s):

Crazy. That’s Savage. Yeah

Emme Hall (59m 49s):

Buddy. Yeah buddy. Yeah buddy.

Holman (59m 57s):

I just think I, I just feel like we have been vindicated because Eddie’s truck famous status came from us.

Emme Hall (1h 0m 5s):

First of all, I, I, yeah, I cannot believe that stupid car made it around the court.

Holman (1h 0m 10s):

I really can’t. One of our listeners was on the side of the course and sent me a video of you tearing it up the hill and I think you passed somebody. I’m like, what in upside down world is happening here? It was a guy walking a donkey, but you still pass somebody,

Lightning (1h 0m 26s):

Did you suffer any spleen damage?

Emme Hall (1h 0m 29s):

No. You know what? Cause we were going so slow, it was just like a, literally we were not, we did not race at all. We did not race at all. We drove the course because I’m like, these other guys are 100% gonna break. They’re, they’re gonna overdrive and they’re gonna break.

Holman (1h 0m 43s):

I saw video strategy, you were still doing like 25 miles, 30 miles an hour, which is pretty fast.

Emme Hall (1h 0m 49s):

Yeah, there were some sections where we were pretty, we we could be pretty quick, but the like last two thirds of the course, the rut the problem were just like, the ruts were so deep and I kept trying to stay up on the, on the side of him and then I would just keep getting sucked back down. I didn’t have enough clearance so it was just like this slurry of rocks underneath buddy just like for like 60 miles straight. Practically.

Holman (1h 1m 13s):

How bad is buddy currently?

Emme Hall (1h 1m 15s):

You know, well I haven’t had a chance to go to like really do some, some serious looking at it. But my, because I’ve been super busy since the race, but my first, the first thing we noticed was that there’s some welds broken like part of the bracing that kind of goes around the dip. The dip is fine, but some of the bracing that goes around the dip, like it should be straight and it’s clearly not. So that’s the thing. And then the front hoop that holds the skid plate on that’s been cracked and it pushed the radiator back a little bit, but the radiator’s fine. Half of the front skid plate kind of fell off like the bolts are gone. But that’s, that’s obviously an easy fix. So I like, I don’t know, but I drove ’em up on the trailer just fine.

Emme Hall (1h 1m 57s):

Good. So when the check engine light went on, as soon as I like started ’em up to put ’em on the trailer the next day the check engine light came on. But the check-in light has come on before and then it has fixed itself. So I’m not worried about that yet.

Lightning (1h 2m 7s):

So we talked about your roll cage and your fire extinguisher potentially being a, a projectile

Holman (1h 2m 12s):

And where you’re putting your spare and I saw what you did. You went out and visited her friend Teresa Contreras and she helped you out?

Emme Hall (1h 2m 18s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So cuz I knew I needed some extra welding to get done. So Teresa welded, like we did kind of a secondary bumper to protect the fuel cell, which still I was like, I’m still, I’m not gonna pass tech. Like there’s no way I’m gonna pass tech with this. And they passed me and I’m like, okay. I literally thought the whole time I’m like, I’m not gonna get pass and they’re not gonna pass. There was a like nest of wires on top of the battery, they will not pass me. And they did and I was like, okay, that’s amazing. Thank you. So we fabbed up a little set, little like bumper extension and then the spare tire mount is basically just like a giant kind of wingnut thing. So we welded on that little brace for that and then put the bfg goodrich can two tire up there, put the wing net in there and and snug that down.

Emme Hall (1h 3m 5s):

So that’s perfect.

Lightning (1h 3m 6s):

So a couple of questions. One, did you get stuck in any of the sand traps?

Emme Hall (1h 3m 10s):

Like magnetic golf course?

Lightning (1h 3m 13s):

I guess they golf, what do they call ’em? The sand Pitt Sand, like there’s like washe, right? There was a couple watches right now stuck in and the Rami was in last time. I can’t imagine buddy, buddy would be up to the doors in sand. So did you get stuck in? If so, how’d you get out?

Emme Hall (1h 3m 26s):

Okay, we didn’t really have any silt beds because we were the first, we were the first group, right? So a lot of times that silt happens when you’ve got a lot of different vehicles like going over the same, the same part. So it wasn’t too silty. There were a few places where I was like, oh don’t, don’t be here, don’t be here, get out of here. And I was able to get outta there. But there was one moment like in the very, I don’t know, the first like 20 miles of the race and we came across, there were two Porsche Caans that were running. I don’t know if you guys saw that. And they were not in our class. I don’t know what class they were in. I was like, you guys should be with us, but whatever. I don’t know what they had tried to do. It looked like they had tried to go around something and they were just like stuck spinning their wheels in the soft sand. And I kind of stopped and I’m like looking for the way around.

Emme Hall (1h 4m 8s):

I was like, okay, I guess, I guess I gotta go over there to be like backed up a little bit to get some momentum and then just <unk> floored it and went all way around this guy. It was like this dude sting out his Porsche and I was like, suck it. It was amazing.

Lightning (1h 4m 23s):

Did you actually vocalize that within your helmet as you driving? Did say suck it.

Emme Hall (1h 4m 28s):

Don’t I have to ask my co driver, But we, we did, I did get us high centered once on a, on a rock. It was a, a particularly rocky section and I tried to put a wheel up on a rock and I, it just was the wrong, you know, wrong angle. And instead of spitting the rock like outside of the vehicle, it spun it, it spun it in towards the vehicle and we just got high centered. So code driver went out and was digging for a hot second, got the jack out and was like gonna jack us off of it. And then there’s all these like military vehicles that were entered as well and then no <unk> like here comes the army in their giant Humvee and they just like hooked the wind up to Teresa’s bumper and pulled me off the rock and then we were gone. So we were down for like 15 minutes because of that.

Lightning (1h 5m 10s):

Is that allowed, can, can the military swoop in and save you during the race?

Emme Hall (1h 5m 14s):

Well, yeah, cause they were competitors.

Lightning (1h 5m 16s):

Oh well that’s cool. Cool. It’s not like she had veered off on that military

Holman (1h 5m 20s):

Land. They probably just thought you were some like person who turned left at the wrong road off the highway or something.

Lightning (1h 5m 27s):

She’s got all these turn stickers on the car too.

Emme Hall (1h 5m 30s):

There were like, there were like six military vehicles and they, all of the drivers and co-drivers were all, I don’t know if they were all currently serving or if they were vets or a mix of both, but no, they were out there and I, they listen, they weren’t racing because they, they stopped and helped every single person.

Holman (1h 5m 45s):

Oh, that’s cool.

Emme Hall (1h 5m 46s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that was, that was pretty awesome.

Holman (1h 5m 48s):

So now I have a question. Did you see the hall racing Z two where the back half of the truck frame was? No. Yeah.

Emme Hall (1h 5m 56s):

Didn’t, and I was like, why don’t you guys cover that up? Well, all the photos that I, maybe all the photos that I’ve seen though, maybe that’s when it was like, like

Holman (1h 6m 5s):

Real bad

Emme Hall (1h 6m 6s):

Finished and then it was driving and that and so it wasn’t actually parked, but I was like, dude, you gotta get that stuff covered up. Yeah, that was real

Holman (1h 6m 14s):

Bad because that picture made it, so basically the, the frame banter broke right, where the cab and bed meet each other. Yeah, but, but in all fairness, this is the statement from Chevrolet. Says the Chevrolet of Silverado zero two ran a flawless race and took first place to the mid 400 for the, for 2023. And then despite having some rear end damage on the pre-production frame, the Chevrolet Colorado zero two also finished and took first place in its class. The Mint 400 is notoriously one of the most grueling off-road races in the world. Chevy competes in racing to help develop tests, improve the durability of its products in conditions far beyond what most customers would experience. And then there was another con, let’s see another quote in here was talking about the, the race version of the chat hall Colorado.

Holman (1h 6m 57s):

It finished first in class. The had a 6 39 minute lapse time, which is 2.6 miles an hour faster than the first lap compared to the 2022 Colorado. So 32.1 versus 29.5 miles per hour last year. And basically lightning and I were had this conversation about like, why didn’t you just pull off the race course and cover it? But this is why, in my opinion, the last quote, the team continues at streak of completing every mile of 38 consecutive offload races.

Emme Hall (1h 7m 24s):

Yeah, no, that, that’s true. That’s true. They had to, and listen, if you’re still rolling, you’re still, you’re still moving.

Holman (1h 7m 29s):

Yeah, you’re still moving, you’re still racing. There

Emme Hall (1h 7m 30s):

Were sections where I was like, dude, if I were actually like in a real race car right now, this, this could be bad. Yeah. Like you could come up, there were gios where you could be flying along and not, you know, and be and have a little too much speed and then you’d be done. And then this is a no pre-run race, right? So you can buy notes and you can buy notes that, that have been run with dangers and everything marked. But that doesn’t mean you, you still haven’t, you haven’t pre-run so you’re just going off of somebody else’s notes. And the notes from Erica at Waypoint Nav school are really good, but it’s still something that you haven’t ever seen before. You know, like there were in the infield. So we started and then there was like one little hill, like one little jump, a second little jump and then a third thing.

Emme Hall (1h 8m 12s):

And people thought that it was a tabletop and it was not, not, it was straight down on the other side. Like people were rolling on the third hill 30 seconds after they, they started,

Lightning (1h 8m 21s):

Do you remember a couple years ago when Jesse James was just flying along and just hit something ended up on his lid and it was just, yeah, it happened instantly. He didn’t see it coming. No one saw it coming and he was like, well the race is over. And he was in it like for less than 20, 30 minutes he was upside down.

Emme Hall (1h 8m 37s):

I’ve broken a race mile seven before. You know, like that’s the pro, not, not the problem, but that’s, it’s a different kind of driving style when you are doing a race where you can’t pre-run because you absolutely don’t know what’s going on. Now having said that, is the course pretty much the same every year? I mean, yes. So people will know different sections like, oh, we’re in this crappy section, or Oh, we’re over here in this section, you know, but you haven’t been able to pre-run it as you would with, you know, say like the Baja 1000. So it is a little bit harder to, to run because then you, you know, you have to look at the terrain and you’re reading the terrain a little bit more and all that. But it didn’t matter for me cuz I was going 20 miles an hour, you guys like, I was so

Holman (1h 9m 11s):

Slow. That’s still pretty fast though. I mean, I, I just, I let a group of, you know, stock frontiers over the, the Mojave Desert and you know, we were averaging probably 12 to 15 miles per hour and Yeah, twentys pretty fast off road, over undulating terrain. So kudos. Yeah,

Emme Hall (1h 9m 29s):

I mean I felt pretty good about it. I, I felt pretty good. And the, the supercharger dudes, you guys, I could not have done that race without the supercharger because we were plowing so much with the, with the ruts and everything that I just would’ve lost all my momentum if I didn’t have that engine supercharged. Wow. And then like, there’s a super steep cool climb that was really fun. And Buddy was just like, yeah, I got this, this isn’t the problem

Holman (1h 9m 49s):

Dude. Show me something else. You beat yourself because you were in a race car and didn’t finish the mint and you took buddy and kicked your own ass. Yeah. Congratulations. Yeah,

Emme Hall (1h 9m 59s):

That’s true. That’s true. I did. I did.

Lightning (1h 10m 2s):

Would you, would you return Emmy in another more high, like a high performance off-road truck

Holman (1h 10m 8s):

Like your tx do you wanna

Lightning (1h 10m 10s):

I don’t know. I’m just saying, would you go Yeah,

Emme Hall (1h 10m 12s):

Listen to the tx

Lightning (1h 10m 14s):

No. Would you, would you take another vehicle and go faster this time? Or are, are you like, I’ve done it, been there, done that. I’m I’m over it.

Emme Hall (1h 10m 22s):

Well, I mean I’ve, I’ve never had super fast offered vehicles. They’ve always been air, air cold, Volkswagen. So it’s not like I’m going that fast. But having said that, it’s fast with, compared to the amount of travel that you have. Right. So, but honestly, like it, there’s something to be said. It’s a different, it’s a different kind of race when all you’re trying to do is like get something inappropriate across the finish line. It’s a, it’s a whole different mindset and I kind of enjoy it. So

Holman (1h 10m 47s):

Racing inappropriateness right there. You heard it here first on the truck show podcast.

Lightning (1h 10m 51s):

Well, I think, cuz like, I can imagine you’re going, I can’t wait to see the helicopter footage because they shoot everyone on the helicopter. Right? And here’s you like going up and over the whoops, like, like up over the mountain. They didn’t get her up and over. How do you know?

Holman (1h 11m 3s):

Because she’s going too slow and the helicopter can slow down the cross.

Lightning (1h 11m 5s):

Yeah. They just gotta fly by. Know it’s sad. But I mean it’s, it’s so, it’s so different. It’s like when you go to Supercross and you’re watching some of the, you know, the slower riders and they’re going up and over the whoops and going up, down, up down and then you see like a Carmichael or Bubba Stewart or Old McGrath and like just hitting the Yeah. The tops of all the whoops. Yeah. And like, I can’t imagine just being on the tops of all the whoops going a hundred miles an hour. Yeah.

Emme Hall (1h 11m 29s):

And you can’t, and like, I can’t go any faster because it, the shocks that are on there right now, like, I can’t, I can’t adjust the compression. And so that’s just constantly like, you guys are gonna totally can’t

Holman (1h 11m 41s):

It. I’m gonna, once you hit your rhythm, you like to stay there. Is that what you’re saying? I’m, you don’t wanna bottom out the, is that, is that euphemism? Yeah,

Emme Hall (1h 11m 53s):

Yeah. All of the, all of those things. All those things. I’ve got a set of fox shocks that I just, I didn’t have time to install and I was like, let’s just blow these out and see what happens. So I’m stoked to get the fox on there to see if that compression gets a little bit different. I mean, having said that, will I be able to go that much faster than the wolves? I mean, maybe a little bit. Yes. But you know, you just don’t, you don’t, when you don’t have the travel, you don’t have the travel.

Holman (1h 12m 14s):

Fair enough. But hey listen, you’re a winner. Yeah. And that makes you way more successful than either Lightning or myself. So It’s true. Thanks for being our friend. When you put bask in your glory,

Emme Hall (1h 12m 25s):

You guys will have to come out to the next one. So the next one I wanna do is there is like, kind of like a short course race. There’s two short course races each year. Yeah. Well one is called Battle Loop Prim and that is in April. And let’s be honest, like I’m not gonna have time to get that done. The other one is called Rage at the River.

Holman (1h 12m 42s):


Emme Hall (1h 12m 43s):

It’s like a 14 mile, is it 14 or seven? I don’t know. Between seven and 14 miles loop that kind of has a little bit of desert stuff, but not, not like Mint 400 rough desert stuff. And it’s all mostly like infield short courses stuff. And it’s really fun. It sounds fun. It’s two days of racing. It’s an hour and a half each day. You don’t, there’s no chase, right? Like you have a hot pit. But listen, if you stopped a hot pit like you’ve lost, right? So for that race, the people that are super competitive, they just like strip their cars out of everything. They’re like, there’s no spare, there’s no, they take out their first aid kit. Some people take out the whole dash to save weight and then they, they find like the smallest person they can find to ride shotgun with them because they don’t, you know, they’ll just pick whoever as long as they’re like 98 pounds and then they go out and race.

Emme Hall (1h 13m 31s):


Lightning (1h 13m 31s):

Where, where and when does this race? Is this Parker

Emme Hall (1h 13m 33s):

That’s in, that’s in December in Laughlin.

Lightning (1h 13m 37s):

Laughlin, okay, gotcha.

Emme Hall (1h 13m 38s):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we have plenty of time to get buddies, you know, all, all gussied up again. And I’m stoked. But I do wanna say too, cause I would be remiss if I did not say this, I had no flats with my BFG K oh two s and I was a little worried because they were Thank you. No, thank you, thank you. Great tire. They were so much heavier than what I had on there. I had generals on there and these BFGs were like added like 10 pounds at each corner. But when it came down to like, there’s a rock, do I wanna hit it with the underside of this car? Do I wanna hit it with my tire? I always hit it with my tire because, cuz I knew the BFGs could take it at the speeds that I was going, right? So those were just like, those were indispensable. And then I got some Ricardo seats for it, which, listen, I could never afford a set of Ricardo seats in real life.

Emme Hall (1h 14m 24s):

Like, that’s never gonna happen. And they were really, really comfortable and super supportive and they snug my butt. And I don’t think that either one of you guys will be able to fit in those seats. So I’m very sorry that you

Lightning (1h 14m 33s):

Oh, dare you.

Emme Hall (1h 14m 34s):

But it’s perfect for my butt.

Holman (1h 14m 38s):

Hey, listen, I have no butts, so I think I could fit in and it might be tied to

Lightning (1h 14m 41s):

Shoulders, I think. Yeah. We’re both spelt thin men. Yeah. Or not.

Emme Hall (1h 14m 46s):

Yeah, sure, sure.

Holman (1h 14m 48s):

No, I wouldn’t, SELT wouldn’t be. Yeah. No, no, no.

Emme Hall (1h 14m 52s):

Yeah, no, no, no. And then, you know, because we were going so slowly we had to run. So every offroad racer has to run an amber light rear facing amber light. And that’s to help other people see you in the dust. But the really slow people, they also have to run a blue light, right? So I got those from Rigid and they also set me up with some forward lights in case we were out there in, in the dark, which thank God we weren’t, but, and every single racer that went by us were so great at passing. They were just like, they gave us a ton of room. There was no Nerf, they were patient with us. Like when there wasn’t a place for me to move over, they were just really patient. Just everyone was really great. So if you were out there and you were racing and you passed us, thank you so much because you guys were awesome.

Lightning (1h 15m 33s):

You gotta be an a-hole if you Nerf a Miata. I mean, seriously. I know, but it happens. Cause people get, you can wad her up just with a little love tap.

Emme Hall (1h 15m 41s):

I know, I know. And, but people get really, you know, because they’re racing and they’re, and for some people it, you know, it means something. It means money, it means, you know, a sponsorship, it means something. And I’m like, the last thing I wanna do is like, mess up anybody’s race here. So, but people were just, were really great about it, you know? And it was fun because someone would pa like, I’d see like lights in the very back distance and I’d be like, oh, okay. They’re, they’re way far back there. And then 30 seconds later around my ass, I’m

Holman (1h 16m 6s):

Like, oh my God.

Lightning (1h 16m 8s):


Holman (1h 16m 8s):

We’re glad you won. We’re glad that Buddy survived. We’re super proud of you and stoked for you. And again, we’re just gonna bask in your glory and tell everybody for the next week that we’re friends.

Lightning (1h 16m 18s):


Emme Hall (1h 16m 19s):

Thanks guys. And I had a truck show podcast sticker on Buddy on both sides.

Holman (1h 16m 23s):

Awesome. Yeah, thank you.

Emme Hall (1h 16m 24s):

You didn’t even have to walk around to see it. You’re welcome. You’ll get my bill. All

Holman (1h 16m 28s):

Right. Get my bill. All right. We we’re, we’re gonna give you a little something. It lighting. Turn the mics down really quick. Uhuh. All right, turn it down. Oh,

Emme Hall (1h 16m 35s):

No, I don’t know what’s happening right now. This is

Holman (1h 16m 39s):


Lightning (1h 16m 39s):


Holman (1h 16m 39s):

Lightning and I are gonna give you something here. Are you ready? Yep.

Lightning (1h 16m 43s):

Okay. On the count three.

Holman (1h 16m 44s):

All right. 1, 2, 3. Yeah,

Lightning (1h 16m 51s):

That was stupid. It was stupid. Yeah, we shouldn’t have done that.

Holman (1h 16m 53s):

No, no. We have to hang up on you now. You’re, you’re definitely making our show

Lightning (1h 16m 57s):

Worse. I, we love you. Congrats.

Holman (1h 16m 58s):

I mean better. I mean better. Bye

Lightning (1h 16m 59s):

Guys. See ya.

Emme Hall (1h 17m 1s):

Love you. Bye.

Holman (1h 17m 3s):


Lightning (1h 17m 5s):

So we almost made it Holman. We almost made it through. And then about halfway she started dropping F bombs.

Holman (1h 17m 11s):

Well, you know, what do you do? Do you think she does it on purpose just to make

Lightning (1h 17m 15s):

It work for you? No, no. I think just, it just, it’s innate. Just happens. All right, let’s get to some email.

Intro Jingle (1h 17m 22s):

You email? Yeah, I email Do it. We, that’s everybody. Email type it up. You email proofread. I email send it. We email, click it every email.

Lightning (1h 17m 38s):

All right, so if you guys were listening on the last episode, we started something new called hashtag Frontier Spotting. And it’s exactly what it sounds like. You send us a picture of a frontier, a Nissan Frontier

Holman (1h 17m 54s):

From, you mean you spot it, you spot it and then you shoot it

Lightning (1h 17m 56s):

And shoot it with your phone and then you send it and you send it

Holman (1h 17m 58s):

Spot shoot. Said

Lightning (1h 17m 60s):

I like that spot. Shoot, send. Okay, I gotta think the following. So you guys have stickers coming at you right now. So Brandon Ulrich, Evan Hoover, Colby White, Tyler Manzel, Jake p David Tury, Jason Grainer, who is a Grainer. Gainer. Gainer. Let’s see, Derek Raymer, Tom Callis, Bailey Butler, Jeffrey Brown, Brad Natu, Nathan Hendrickson, E Cast, Greg Nelson and Jeb. I wish I knew what Jeb stood for but I sent it to him anyway. So you guys have stickers coming at

Holman (1h 18m 30s):

You. Don’t, Jeb is his

Lightning (1h 18m 30s):

Name. It could be just Jeb. Yes. I think you said j e b was all caps. Jeb.

Holman (1h 18m 34s):

Jeb, Jeb Bush. Could

Lightning (1h 18m 35s):

Be. Oh, good point. So anyway, Jeb, you got one truck show podcast stickers coming at you. If you see a Nissan Frontier and you are in your truck, snap a photo and send it to Truck show All right, so

Holman (1h 18m 48s):

We got a bunch of these emails, I’ll just go through ’em really quick. So we’ve got the one from Colby White sent us a, a red one from Montpelier, Idaho. And he says, let’s see if I get my sticker as my shirt from the first few episodes of the podcast. Never made it even though you continue to use my sound clip. Embargo.

16 (1h 19m 6s):


Holman (1h 19m 8s):

He says, thanks for the show. It’s been my favorite for five years now. I started listening the day the second episode dropped. Yes. I went back and listened to the first. I saw it advertised on the four-wheeler Facebook page and followed the link. I remember Lightning had a truck, nuts fetish and no truck in those days. Haha. Keep up the great work and mounted those parameters. I am handing lightning this email so that he puts a shirt in there for you since you have both added to the show.

Lightning (1h 19m 31s):

Well the problem is I already sent Colby stickers. Well,

Holman (1h 19m 33s):


Lightning (1h 19m 34s):

You’re not getting a shirt.

Holman (1h 19m 36s):

All right, well the light, that’s your, that’s your buddy Lightning right there. Yep. John Gomez rights. Hello. Good morning fellas. Found this frontier work today at the airport bass model drives nice. I moved Reynolds all day and just started to see these puppies come in. PS love the show and keep up the good work. Don’t forget those mounted parameters.

Lightning (1h 19m 53s):


17 (1h 19m 54s):

Monitor key engine parameters.

Holman (1h 19m 57s):

And I will say both in the frontier and the titan, the base models are hell of a nice truck to drive. Both of ’em. It’s, it’s, it’s doesn’t feel cheap at all. They did a good, really good job on those trucks. This one from Jay Romi says we sent in a picture from within our own 22 Frontier Pro four x while listening to the podcast last week. I, oh,

Lightning (1h 20m 14s):

That’s like inception right

Holman (1h 20m 15s):

There. That’s two weeks of an inception joke and stupidly didn’t include our address. Perhaps it was because as Lightning said, we didn’t believe him because he lies a lot. So that’s funny. Yeah, maybe. Anyway, he says you can assure your sponsor’s Nissan that one of the biggest driving factors in us buying this truck was Holman promoting the frontier and his disdain maybe for the Tacoma in its rear drums NC Channel frame. We’ve got 21,000 miles on it so far. Haven’t had one problem with it or any regrets. I included the original picture and a picture of it from the outside. Keep monitoring your parameters. And that’s

Lightning (1h 20m 46s):

Monitoring or mounting?

Holman (1h 20m 48s):

He says monitoring but we can go with mounting. Okay.

Lightning (1h 20m 50s):


18 (1h 20m 51s):


Holman (1h 20m 53s):

Yeah. And he, his emails J Romi, but he signs a Jason m so, and then we’ve got one here from Chris Walsk. He says, here’s a two for for y’all. I looked up while sitting at work and saw two frontiers. Hopefully I can get a sticker. So if lightning wasn’t a big fact, liar, that lies. Yeah, you might.

Lightning (1h 21m 9s):

So don’t tell people that I’m lying cuz I am sending out stickers. And by the way, the list I just read to you, this have been dispatched. But here’s what’s funny. US PS postal service gone.

Holman (1h 21m 18s):

So, so you had written back to him and basically said, Hey thanks for listening, we appreciate it, blah blah blah blah blah and I need your address. And he writes back, as long as you’re not sending me spam or even worse phallic drawing since Holman seems to have a thing for drawing that kind of thing. I think that’s overstated. And Scott Hiro says, Hey guys, I know I’m dumb and forgot to give you my address. ADHD sucks. Lol. So he sends us his address. I think he heard us on the show, but he also put a local Facebook marketplace that had an old like, you know, second gen, you know, square headlight truck. He says, cool Nissan pickup. Maybe it would make a cool mini truck project for somebody and it has l e d like modern square l e d headlights. Okay. In like the old frame, eh, it’s kinda weird.

Holman (1h 22m 0s):

I dunno. Project maybe,

Lightning (1h 22m 2s):

Maybe I am looking for something. I’m getting the the bug again to buy something inexpensive. I think I want a mini like Scott Bural really inspired me to go get a, get a mini truck.

Holman (1h 22m 12s):

Funny, funny you should mention that. Okay, because one of our listeners wrote this email. Okay,

Lightning (1h 22m 18s):

While you’re looking for it, hand me those over there that I need to send stickers to.

Holman (1h 22m 21s):

They’re on the, they’re in the email. There’s a folder for frontier spotting. Perfect. So read this email, this is specifically for you.

Lightning (1h 22m 27s):

All right, this is subject line is cheap six speed for lightning from Steve Ravish. Wanna say thanks to you guys. Last summer I started a new I B E W apprenticeship. Congratulations. For the first month I was climbing sail towers and ended up driving a few hours every day chasing work. The show really helped me kill some solid windshield time catching up on the back catalog. So big things for that GenZ over the last summer that you guys dropped did the 23 GL included AC a standard option along with a bigger screen that was being offered as standard as well. That was all it took for me to finally place an order after waffling on it for years. Now some of the truck news that you guys drop, drop is hard to find. So I’m super glad that you’re keeping up on the train with Truck Show podcast 2.0.

Lightning (1h 23m 11s):

Lightning just mentioned about wanting a cheap manual trends again and I get the Cali Pompousness would only allow for a new car by that statement. So cuz he thinks I only want a new car

Holman (1h 23m 22s):


Lightning (1h 23m 23s):

Hmm. Let me throw in either a base model JL or two door Bronco into the hat for a cool pick your own adventure vehicle. The sport JL has no options other than half doors and it’s a blast for only $33,000. Have no insight on the Bronco, but just get a stripper model and a enjoy the blank spaces on the dash. Instead of filling up every nook and cranny with bells and whistles. I attached a picture of the Jeep. It’s basic as hell, but that’s kind of what makes it good sometimes five stars and all the good stuff.

19 (1h 23m 52s):

Pleasure review five stars.

Lightning (1h 23m 54s):

Thanks a bunch Steve and PS proofreading has never been a strong suit so I apologize in advance. Pps, I used to work at a distillery and made some pretty damn good brown water. If you know of a way I could ship you a bottle legally I’d be happy to hear your thoughts on their spirits.

Holman (1h 24m 12s):

Yeah, I don’t know why you couldn’t just send it. Just

Lightning (1h 24m 15s):

Send it. It’s

Holman (1h 24m 16s):

Not illegal DME or call me, I’ll give you an address. Oh, this is Holeman by the way. Yeah. All right. Not lightning. Justin Cox says five stars. Hello Lighting and Holden love the show and all things truck. I have a 1990 Toyota pickup with the 22 re five speed manual. Four-wheel drive manual locks, roll up windows, no radio, no AC win wings, regular cab with the rare seven foot bed. I love hearing all the guys talk about having Toyota Mini trucks back in the day. Also, I’m 28. I love all the old references. I wish I could crew up when you guys did. I drive a 2018 Nissan as my work truck inspecting power lines for pg and e and I recently switched out of a 2019 Colorado. In my opinion, the Nissans are way better option. My Colorado had CarPlay but had manual mirrors and no steering wheel buttons and the seats were super uncomfortable.

Holman (1h 25m 0s):

Also, the F gas force cylinder is gutless Love my frontier and I hope my company buys the new ones along with the rangers they’ve been buying. Keep it up. Five stars.

19 (1h 25m 7s):

Five star reveal. Five stars.

Holman (1h 25m 11s):

This is really cute at the, and he says size large as if we’re gonna send him a shirt.

20 (1h 25m 18s):

You get nothing, you lose. Good day sir. Yeah.

Lightning (1h 25m 24s):

AM radio from E cast. What the hell is the E by the way? What do you think it is Edgar? Edwin? I don’t know. I don’t know. Hello? Lightning and Holman Emmanuel speaking. There

Holman (1h 25m 35s):

You go.

Lightning (1h 25m 35s):

Yeah, Emmanuel. I just listened to episode number 10 of season two. My grandfather of only 62 years young, still listens to AM radio when there was nothing good on fm. He goes to am also my uncle at 55 listens to AM as well. Just proof the dinosaurs aren’t the only ones listening to AM radio and yeah buddy. Yeah

Holman (1h 25m 56s):

Buddy. That was because we did the story about the electric vehicle manufacturers pulling out AM because of interference and like, like it doesn’t matter because nobody listens to AM AM anymore unless you’re old or dumb. And so I

Lightning (1h 26m 11s):

Didn’t say dumb.

Holman (1h 26m 12s):

What’s what’s say dumb once again. You guys are

Lightning (1h 26m 14s):

Proving what So two grandfathers, two guys that girl with am are still listening. Whatever.

Holman (1h 26m 19s):

Well when the, when the bomb goes off, you’re gonna be looking for your AM radio. It’s

Lightning (1h 26m 23s):


Holman (1h 26m 25s):

Ford bumper step failure. Hunter Dieter sends this to us as we saw a 2023 Ford F four 50 at the KC Auto Show last weekend and we were disappointed in Ford’s version of the bed and bumper step. Extremely flimsy. And the grab handles way too small for my grubby paws. Thanks for the great show Hunter. He sends us a video and he’s pulling up on the middle and the whole bumper is flexing and then he is stepping on the step and the step is flexing as if it’s missing structure behind it or something. It’s, it’s not something I would’ve put out there.

Lightning (1h 26m 53s):

That’s that’s that looks like a 3D printed prototype that they No

Holman (1h 26m 57s):

It doesn’t. It looks factory. No,

Lightning (1h 26m 58s):

But they paint it. Of course they don’t want it to look like it’s a 3D printed prototype. But my guess is that’s a prototype. There’s no way that Ford’s gonna put out something that flimsy. There’s no way it’s designed to be stepped on. Well

Holman (1h 27m 9s):

Come on now. Maybe we need to go to a local Ford dealership and find out

Lightning (1h 27m 12s):

Are they available

Holman (1h 27m 13s):

Yet? I believe they, that’s just are hitting right now.

Lightning (1h 27m 15s):

Yeah, well yes. There’s no way that that’s real.

Holman (1h 27m 18s):

I it is real. You sent us the video. No,

Lightning (1h 27m 20s):

No, no. I’m saying there’s no way that that’s the real truck that they would build it with. No.

Holman (1h 27m 24s):

Yeah. But if I was gonna

Lightning (1h 27m 26s):

Put that’s structure behind that,

Holman (1h 27m 27s):

Then you know what you do If you have a prototype that’s not fully finished and you’re going to Oklahoma City where people actually freaking use trucks, maybe put some stanchions around it so somebody can’t do a video of them bending your brand new truck by stepping on it in your booth at the auto show.

Lightning (1h 27m 42s):

Do we know that there weren’t stanchions around it?

Holman (1h 27m 45s):

We don’t but if it’s on the carpet, I don’t know. Hmm. I don’t know. All I’m saying is

Lightning (1h 27m 51s):

Because people have

Holman (1h 27m 52s):

Not a good, not

Lightning (1h 27m 53s):

A good look have gone over the stanchions to, to climb into cars when they shouldn’t. Sure. You know? Sure. They’re always removing like shift knobs and stuff and

Holman (1h 28m 1s):

Anything pocketing them. Yeah.

Lightning (1h 28m 2s):

I mean it’s incredible. All the things that people steal. Yeah. At auto shows.

Holman (1h 28m 5s):

We can’t have nice things you guys. No

Lightning (1h 28m 7s):

We don’t. Holman in Alaska. Question mark from Aaron Huey. Hey lighting in Holman. Love the show. I was wondering if Holman was in Alaska yesterday. As far as far as I know he wasn’t. We woke up to a beautiful Bluebird day in the ias.

Holman (1h 28m 23s):


Lightning (1h 28m 23s):

Alika Ski Resort

Holman (1h 28m 25s):

Right outside of I believe Anchorage. Okay. I’ve

Lightning (1h 28m 28s):

Been there. Only defined Holman’s signature artwork stamped 150 feet long into the snow at the very top of the mountain. See the photos? Yep.

Holman (1h 28m 37s):


Lightning (1h 28m 37s):

This is a remote area way above any chairlift and I find that hard to believe that Holman would be so motivated to Ike all the way up there. But

Holman (1h 28m 45s):

Don’t underestimate me

Lightning (1h 28m 46s):

Where there’s a will, there’s a way. Absolutely. Four ski patrollers took a chopper up and rubbed it out.

Holman (1h 28m 53s):

Yeah, I’m sure they did. But

Lightning (1h 28m 54s):

Not before the entire town was able to view the masterpiece in all its glory. PS you guys are still a good, bad influence. Just received my, what do you think?

Holman (1h 29m 4s):


Lightning (1h 29m 5s):

What do you think you bought?

Holman (1h 29m 7s):

I’m gonna hope it’s O V R magazine.

Lightning (1h 29m 9s):

Just received my Jeep 3 92 after It is not month wait and it’s freaking awesome. Five stars fellas,

21 (1h 29m 18s):

Congratulations. You have earned five

Lightning (1h 29m 21s):

Stars. Thank you very much for sending that to us, Aaron.

Holman (1h 29m 24s):

Alright, Nick Lawn sends this email. He says this is when it falls apart. Jabi and Sean p Hole. Man. No lightning back that truck up. It’s Nick from Dirty Jersey again. It’s been five years and our TSP warranty has run out. I guess it’s all gonna go to hell now. Lol. But seriously, I wish you will with the new endeavors truck. Famous O V R magazine, the pod shed, and maybe even some merch. Speaking of merch, put me in line for this quote unquote, this is Lightning speaking and quote unquote mounted parameter shirt. I got a new phone since my last email. So five more stars and a group mounted parameters, please. Pfizer

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Holman (1h 30m 6s):

And PS happy birthday Holeman. We, I really appreciate that. Thank you. I Did you

Lightning (1h 30m 11s):

Get anything cool for your birthday by the way? Because I know I forgotten. Didn’t get you

Holman (1h 30m 15s):

Anything. Yeah, you did.

Lightning (1h 30m 17s):

I am awful with birthdays.

Holman (1h 30m 18s):

I got, I got Amazon cards and stuff and then I got a bunch of stuff I needed. I got some stuff for the Jeep. I’ve I

Lightning (1h 30m 23s):

Got any more penis valve stem covers?

Holman (1h 30m 25s):

No, I already have those in stock. I see. And I, I did get

Lightning (1h 30m 30s):

Stack ’em deep and sell ’em cheap.

Holman (1h 30m 32s):

No, I do. No I, well I don’t stack ’em deep, you know what I mean? I did get a OX cot, which is rolls. What did

Lightning (1h 30m 39s):

You, you can’t say that out loud. I have to bleep that

Holman (1h 30m 41s):

Rolls into a bag about this day. What’d you say? A what? Ox cot. Okay. For for camping. Don’t know what it’s, no, it’s a super lightweight, really high end and stu stupidly expensive time.

Lightning (1h 30m 51s):

Does it have fibers between the two layers and Yes. It keeps them

Holman (1h 30m 54s):

Rigid. It says drop stitch tech. It is. Yeah. No. And so I’m excited to sleep more comfortably on the trail now that I no longer have a rooftop tent. I’m gonna be back to shift potting it and it’ll, I like being off the ground a little bit.

Lightning (1h 31m 6s):

Was that why you asked for the shift pod?

Holman (1h 31m 8s):

No, no, no, no. You have two of my shift pods. I gave you one. You have one and then I have one that was all wrecked by my previous employer. I’m

Lightning (1h 31m 16s):

Not offended that you asked for it back so

Holman (1h 31m 17s):

I need it back cause I’m leaving.

Lightning (1h 31m 18s):

So what you didn’t know is that I had a shift pod. You loaned me another one so I could have one

Holman (1h 31m 23s):

For both boys.

Lightning (1h 31m 23s):

Yeah, both my boys, yeah. And then Sean Moore, the guy that we bought Lock Jaw from. Yeah, he wanted to take his son Bradley up to the mountain. So he goes, can I borrow your spare ship Pott? So I brought it to him. So when you said, can I have a ship Pott, I had to go back to Sean’s house, get a ship pot and bring it to you. What a disaster. So

Holman (1h 31m 39s):

I’m gonna have, do I have to set it up? Is it cleaned out or

Lightning (1h 31m 42s):

No, it’s exactly how whoever left it last.

Holman (1h 31m 44s):

All right. So I’m cleaning it up. Got it. We got a email from Ryan C one event that Lightning has added to our events calendar on truck show So this is Ford Brock events. I just wanna mention event I didn’t see on your list. Super Celebration Tennessee, April 19th through 22nd in Townsend, Tennessee. This is an all Ford Bronco event that sees well over 600 Broncos. I’ve never been, but I’ll be flying from Arkansas to check this out this year. So if you guys are Bronco fans and you want to see a bunch of awesome Broncos in person, head over to truck show, click on the events tab and you can see a button. All sorts of stuff on there. Well it’s funny cuz keep coming.

Lightning (1h 32m 19s):

Thank you for tipping us off to that event because I didn’t know that they’re also going to have That’s the East coast. Yeah. And this Bronco Driver’s Club magazine, whatever it is that puts this thing on, it’s gonna be doing Colorado event as well. Again, if you’ve got a really cool event that you think that people from around your state would travel to, let us know and we’ll put it on the events tab on truck show

Intro Jingle (1h 32m 42s):

The truck show. The truck show. The truck show.

Holman (1h 32m 48s):

We wanna hear from you.

Lightning (1h 32m 49s):

We need your voicemail.

Holman (1h 32m 50s):

6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. That is the five star hotline. Of course, you reach us at Truck show or on our social at Sean P. Holman at LBC Lightning at Truck Show podcast. So many ways to get a hold of a truck show podcast to interact with us. We love you and we wanna put you on the air. So send us a love letter and we will profess our love and return by love putting you right on the air and right on the show.

Lightning (1h 33m 18s):

And we really want your five star review guys. There are some really funny ones that we found in Apple Podcast, which we’ll read in an upcoming episode. But if you’re in your truck and you’re just sitting in crappy traffic, open the podcast app and please leave us a review and something you think we’d enjoyed reading Apple Podcast, five star review. It helps us to get out to even more truck enthusiasts. We’ve really appreciate

Holman (1h 33m 44s):

It. And yes, we’re still going to be doing a frontier spotting as hashtag frontier

Lightning (1h 33m 49s):

Spotting for

Holman (1h 33m 49s):

Our friends and presenting sponsor over at Nissan. So if you send us email to trucks or with the frontier spotting, we will return the favor with a sticker and you can proudly display that anywhere that you

Lightning (1h 34m 3s):

Want. And and hold on a second. So these so Holman doesn’t think that I have been sending these out.

Holman (1h 34m 9s):

No, I know you have. You do. Yeah, of

Lightning (1h 34m 11s):

Course. Because I thought you were calling bs. So if, if I sent one to you, take a photo and send it to

Holman (1h 34m 15s):

Him as proof. Oh you can do that too. And then we’ll have at TSP sticker spotting. No,

Lightning (1h 34m 20s):

Don’t do that.

Holman (1h 34m 20s):

Don’t funny. Don’t do that funny story. Just

Lightning (1h 34m 23s):

Keep it to frontier.

Holman (1h 34m 24s):

So a month ago when I pre ran the Mojave Road trip for Nissan, I stuck a truck show podcast sticker on the mailbox and a listener emailed me mailbox

Lightning (1h 34m 32s):


Holman (1h 34m 32s):

What are you talking about? The Mojave Road mailbox where you sign in on the trail. It’s about halfway through. And the listener had taken a photo of that and said, look what I found today though. I’m like, yeah, was there two days ago? That was me Who put that there? So the, they’re out there. We also have, I think the highest place the truck show podcast sticker has ever been is Black Bear Pass at like 14,000 something feet. We’ve had listeners who have been in Black Bear Pass in Colorado, take a picture and go, Hey, I saw a TSP sticker on the back of the sign. And at the Route 66 start in Chicago, downtown Chicago, Illinois Truck Show podcast, lap Singer, boom, right there. So you guys have been around and you find the places that we’ve been. So it’s, it’s awesome.

Lightning (1h 35m 9s):

We need to ask Scott Birdsall if we can be unofficial sponsors of Old Smokey, cuz he’s going to Pike’s Peak again with it.

Holman (1h 35m 18s):

I’m sure he would say yes. That would be cool. He and I talk all the time right now.

Lightning (1h 35m 22s):

He is prolific when it comes to memes.

Holman (1h 35m 25s):

He, he is really good. No, he’s slow compared to me. Really? I out meme him. We meme back and forth and sometimes we said each other the same meme. We just said, no, no, no,

Lightning (1h 35m 32s):

No, no, no, no, no. But you don’t post them. He posts them on his story. Oh no.

Holman (1h 35m 35s):

All the, no, I get the dm so I get the stuff he can’t post, which is even

Lightning (1h 35m 38s):

Funnier. I get that. But I’m talking about for our listeners. Yeah, so go to Chuck’s garage and watch his stories on Instagram. He is second only to, so there’s two others that I follow if I haven’t talked about him before. You guys need to follow him. So one is, I’m gonna go to it real quick. NorCal underscore lowlife NorCal underscore lowlife. Another great one that you guys will love is C 10 underscore Vatos C 10 underscore Vatos. Don’t worry about their feed, their feeds are just whatever, but their stories are outstanding. All

Holman (1h 36m 10s):

Right, so I thank you Nissan for being our presenting sponsor. If you need a half 10 truck, Nissan Titan, Nissan Titan next to you still have the industry’s best warranty, five year, 100,000 miles. Or if you want the capable and hot selling Nissan Frontier, head on over to your local dealer or nissan where you can build and price and be pleasantly surprised with what you get for your money. And

Lightning (1h 36m 28s):

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Holman (1h 36m 49s):

And lastly, we’ve gotta take our friends over at Full Moon Digital. If you have a company and you are struggling with SEO or you need to get more social reach, you wanna talk to Derek and the team over at Full Moon Digital. That’s full moon They’ve been helping out the Truck Show podcast and they can help out your company as well.

Lightning (1h 37m 4s):

This is the worst show we’ve ever done.

Holman (1h 37m 7s):

That’s not true. This show is awesome. We had inflated, we had Miss Ego inflated and we had some great news.

Lightning (1h 37m 15s):

I feel like you can hear it sucking.

Holman (1h 37m 18s):

I, I disagree. Do you? Yeah.

Lightning (1h 37m 21s):


Holman (1h 37m 22s):

You can hear us sucking.

Lightning (1h 37m 23s):

That’s true. More than the suck. We’re trying.

Holman (1h 37m 28s):

We did better. The stop sign helps. Well Blue right through that stop sign, didn’t

Lightning (1h 37m 36s):

Ya? I’m good at it. The Truck Show Podcast is a production of Truck Famous llc. This podcast was created by Sean Holman and Jay Tillis with production Elements by DJ Omar Kahn. If you like what you’ve heard, please open your Apple Podcast or Spotify app and give us a five star rating. And if you’re a fan, there’s no better way to show your support than by patronizing our sponsors. Some vehicles may have been harmed during the making of this podcast.

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Yeah, buddy.