Hot Shot’s Secret’s Kyle Fischer returns to the podcast to demystify lubrication additives in both gas and diesel engines, Tesla Trolls Ford with the Cybertruck, and the guys talk about the latest RV industry sales numbers. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan, in association with Banks Power.


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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5s):

So Holman, I at the Amsoil facility for their 50th anniversary. They let you

Sean P. Holman (9s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10s):

They did. Yes. Well, ’cause I was with Gale Banks. They had to let me in

Sean P. Holman (12s):

I mean they didn’t have to. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14s):

They didn’t. They outta

Sean P. Holman (14s):

Outta respect to him. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15s):

Out of respect to Gail, they let me in. So anyway, he was there. We had the Type R road racing truck from back in 2005, six, somewhere in there.

Sean P. Holman (23s):

Yeah. G M C.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24s):

The G M C. Oh man. People love that. Truck’s a great, they love it so much. It’s a great,

Sean P. Holman (27s):

I would love to make a street version of that where it has that same look. I think it would be cool that body style, ’cause that’s a G M T 800 body style. Yeah. It’s Sierra regular cab.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37s):

If you haven’t seen it, just look up. Just Google Banks type R Sidewinder

Sean P. Holman (42s):

In my mind. I know exactly how I would do it. It would be like a black, like forged five spoke with like, you know, something really sticky sidewall. Like a nito drag radio at all four corners with a big 20 with a lot of sidewall and like the wheels pushed out to the edges of the fenders and slammed on it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 1s):

I mean you’re describing the way it is now. Except for it’s,

Sean P. Holman (1m 3s):

That’s what I’m saying. But I would wanna do the same thing as a street truck. Yeah. Something I could drive every day. That just looked mean like that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 9s):

It is mean. And the lip, the splitter in the front sticks out so far. My God. Were no dude. They were three or four millimeters on the left and the right of the splitter trying to get it onto the, the transport truck to get it back to Wisconsin. It took us an hour to get it in the truck Like that. wasn just a little bit. Li little bit left, little bit right. Little bit left. Little bit right. And we had to do like wedges to get it up and over things and like, it’s just, the truck is just so damn low. Anyway, so we’re out there. Phenomenal event. So thank you very much to am Zo for allowing us to celebrate their 50th with ’em.

Sean P. Holman (1m 44s):

Did you see Brad Lovell?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 46s):

Yes, I did.

Sean P. Holman (1m 46s):

He wrote to me over the weekend, Hey, that wasn great to get to know Lightning at the AM oil deal. And I wrote back, Hmm,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 54s):

What do you mean? Hmm? What does that even mean?

Sean P. Holman (1m 56s):

Oh, By the way, speaking of Scott Birds. Wait, hold

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 57s):

On. Say what? What, what mean?

Sean P. Holman (1m 58s):

Scott Birdsall just texted me back. I sent him an image. I’m, I’m not gonna tell you what it is. I’m gonna tell you, you that,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 4s):

Wait, hold on. There’s my photo with me. Brad level and Brad level right there at, at dinner. Yep.

Sean P. Holman (2m 8s):

Very nice. He sat next to each

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 9s):

BlackRock or whatever that wasn a really cool steak. Just

Sean P. Holman (2m 11s):

Texted Scott a picture. ’cause all you people who listened to the show, who sent me the helicopter drawings that was made out of certain phalluses. Yes. I’ve gotten it 47 times. Yeah. But it’s inspired me and I made a Wait,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 26s):

Wait, can I finish my story first? No. Scott, I wanna get to your little dick truck in a second here. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (2m 32s):

That’s not how I would position this. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 35s):

Well I wanna hold on. You’re, you’re, you’re, go ahead. Cutting me off at the pass here.

Sean P. Holman (2m 38s):

So now You know what it feels like. All.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 40s):

Right? Fine. Look at this photo right here. Yeah. I saw

Sean P. Holman (2m 43s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 44s):

All. right. Well, describe that for people who don’t follow me on Instagram. It’s

Sean P. Holman (2m 46s):

Gail and Scott leaning on the race truck, smiling with their arms crossed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 50s):

And do you know why Gail is laughing out loud?

Sean P. Holman (2m 52s):

Because Scott said I’m gonna beat you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 54s):

’cause Scott is threatening to kick me in the nuts. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (2m 56s):

Well that’s All, right? Scott, Scott,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 58s):


Sean P. Holman (2m 58s):

Scott. Nothing that doesn’t get threatened on a regular night of podcast.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 2s):

Scott’s a wild man, dude. No, he’s

Sean P. Holman (3m 4s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 4s):

He’s, he’s my man. He’s my peeps right there.

Sean P. Holman (3m 6s):

Anyway, I texted him a picture because I have seen that helicopter drawing and I thought that would make a great truck show podcast t-shirt, the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 13s):

Helicopter out of fall.

Sean P. Holman (3m 16s):

The helicopter made from shapes where you look at it, you go, that’s a helicopter. And you look closer, you go, oh. So I thought maybe there would be a truck show podcast limited edition t-shirt of Scott’s old Smokey. So I I Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 28s):

You sure you want to give this away in the air?

Sean P. Holman (3m 30s):

I doodled something up just while we were here. And I sent it to him and I, I said to Scott and I,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 37s):

This is a, this is a pickup truck with a big wing on it.

Sean P. Holman (3m 40s):

Just, just stop. It is in similar style to that helicopter drawing, but it’s a pickup truck. I doodled it myself. And I said, I’m making a bootleg shirt to honor you in the style of the helicopter drawing. And I sent him the helicopter drawing and this he writes back. So I think Scott’s on board.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 2s):

Are we gonna make these, will this be our inaugural shirt?

Sean P. Holman (4m 5s):

I don’t think it’ll be the inaugural shirt because the, I think just the logo shirt would be the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 8s):

Inaugural shirt. I don’t think so. Nope. I think we make people wait for the actual truck show podcast logo and we launch with this. We

Sean P. Holman (4m 16s):

Launch these and they’re a hundred dollars each. We’ll

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 19s):

That will be the talk of any, any guy that goes into a bar. Yeah. And he’s wearing that. Yeah, I know. That’s the only shirt anyone’s gonna want to talk about.

Sean P. Holman (4m 27s):

I am, I am. I’m I’m on it. I’m on it. It’s, I’m, I’m working on, this is the first version. Well this is not the final draft

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 35s):

Here. When you’re done, give me that design. I’ll vectorize it,

Sean P. Holman (4m 38s):

I’ll prep it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 39s):


Sean P. Holman (4m 39s):

Shirt art.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 40s):

Okay. And this will be the launch. Mm. This is the way we wanna launch our online

Sean P. Holman (4m 47s):

I don’t know if that’s really the way we wanna launch.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 49s):

Abso freaking I think

Sean P. Holman (4m 51s):

People would love the shirt though. They would

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 52s):

All, right? I think this would grow beyond our audience. I just said grow, make it easy.

Sean P. Holman (4m 56s):

Easy, easy. All. right. Well, speaking of things that come in boxes, I’ve got this. No, no. Easy.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 3s):

I see an alpine box down there. Easy. Is that Alpine? Why are you giving

Sean P. Holman (5m 6s):

It away? I didn’t open it up yet.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 8s):

’cause I know those alpine stripes anywhere, anywhere. My, my vision could be completely blown out. I can be 180 years old and I know Alpine Blue Strip. Wish your

Sean P. Holman (5m 17s):

Vision was as bad as you hearing. Yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 19s):

Oh, I’m so jealous. Here we go. Look at

Sean P. Holman (5m 22s):

That. Our man mother Steve Brown came through.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 25s):

I had to bleep you.

Sean P. Holman (5m 27s):

That’s his name. Yeah. Anyway, so he came through, I got the, the grills and I got the, the S twos.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 33s):

Okay. So these are grills for six and a half inch speakers. All. right. Go

Sean P. Holman (5m 37s):

Take a look at these and tell me what you think. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 39s):

Oh those are, those are heavy All, right? All right.

Sean P. Holman (5m 41s):

The magnets on those things are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 43s):

Can I, can I, can I open the box? Yeah, I

Sean P. Holman (5m 44s):

Open it. Okay, let me move

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 46s):


Sean P. Holman (5m 47s):

I just wanted to get the, the Lightning seal of alpine approval. Okay,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 50s):

So these are four ohm 80 watt r m s 240 watt peak. Ooh, these are nice.

Sean P. Holman (5m 56s):

Feel how heavy that magnet magnet is.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 58s):

Yeah, this is good. This is really good. All. right. So these are cloth dome tweeters. These are great. Oh. And you can take ’em out of the, the case and mount them any way you like. And you can even change the direction. When are you going to install these? And I’d like to give them a listen.

Sean P. Holman (6m 15s):

I’m gonna do it this week. ’cause the rest of the parts come tomorrow. So should be able to listen to the next episode I this episode of the Truck Show podcast on it and hear us in high fidelity All. right. So just a, a few specs on this particular speaker. It’s their SS series. This is their second generation. So these are the SS twos. So it’s, yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 33s):

I So you’ll, you’ll trip I had the original S’s. Yep.

Sean P. Holman (6m 36s):

So these are six and a half glass fiber wooer cones. And they have a high amplitude multi roll surround is what Alpine says. And the one inch tweers are Silk dome tweers. And they have that threaded removable housing. So the bracket that I’m gonna be able to use to swap from a three and a half to a six and a half, I’ll be able to place the tweeters and sandwich ’em on that bracket. And then everything should be good. But the frequency range of these 70 to 40,000 hertz. So they should be fine for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 3s):

What I’m doing. Which is insane. Right. I mean you can’t hear beyond 13 5 14 K max 40,000. So who are they making for this for dogs?

Sean P. Holman (7m 13s):

Do you think dogs prefer Alpine two to one over the closest competitor?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 18s):

For sure. Definitely. Without any question,

Sean P. Holman (7m 20s):

I, I believe The, Truck Show Podcast prefers Alpine two to zero over the next competitor. So anyway, I wanted to say thank you to Steve Brownout. I literally hit him up last week and the box arrived on, I think that wasn like Friday that wasn like right away. So I’m excited because it’s summertime and with the top off this, the stock sound system is just lost and muddy. So these should be really, well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 42s):

These are right above your head, so you should be able to appreciate the extra volume for sure. On this episode of the Truck Show podcast, we’re gonna be checking in with Kyle Fisher. He’s at Hot, Shot Secret. And they have quickly become the go-to in fuel and oil additives. And if you’ve ever thought, Hmm, I’ve heard some good things, but I’m on the fence about additives. I have a feeling that Kyle is gonna clear all that.

Sean P. Holman (8m 6s):

Yeah, well he’s been on the show before and I think the first time we talked to him, you know, we, we fell in love with his knowledge of everything additives. And we learned a bunch. And so I know they’ve got some new products coming out, especially in the fuel side of it. And I also want to ask him about the gasoline products because I think people think, oh, it’s, they’re mostly Diesel, but they have a, a whole line. They’ve got RV now. There’s all all sorts of stuff. So All, right. Well, before we get to Kyle, we want to thank Nissan our presenting sponsor. Without them The Truck, Show Podcast wouldn’t be what it is. And they have supported us from the beginning. So if you’re in the market for a new truck, whether it’s the mid-size class or a half ton, you wanna head on over to your local Nissan dealer where you can check out the Nissan Frontier or the Nissan Titan or the Titan Xd.

Sean P. Holman (8m 47s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 58s):

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Sean P. Holman (9m 15s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 30s):

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The truck show. We’re going to show you what we know. We’re gonna answer what? The truck, because truck rides with the truck show. We have the lifted, we have the lower end and everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on Diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Oh whoa.

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It’s the truck show with your hosts Lightning and Holman

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 50s):

All. right. Are we ready to dial Mr. Kyle Fisher of Hot Shot Secret

Sean P. Holman (10m 54s):

Dial. But don’t do it while smiling.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 57s):

I have to frown. Or just a straight face.

Sean P. Holman (11m 0s):

Just dial the phone. All. right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 16s):

Hello there. Hello. Is this Mr. Kyle Fisher of Hot Shot Secret. Try

Sean P. Holman (11m 20s):

That again. There he

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 22s):

Is. Should I say that? Wait, hold on. I was slurring. I was too many S’s Hot Shot secrets. Yes. Easy for you to say h s s right?

Sean P. Holman (11m 30s):

Say that 10 times fast. Dare you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 31s):

Right now. Hot Shot Secret Hot Shot Secret Hot Shot Secret Hot Shot Secret Hot. Shot. Secret. Hot. Shot. Secret. Hot. Shot. Secret. I was getting there. Five. Hot, Shot, Secret, Hot, Shot Secret. Oh man, you couldn’t do

Sean P. Holman (11m 41s):

It. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 42s):

Geez. Little All, right? hold on one second. Kyle, while we redeem ourselves with a Jingle,

6 (11m 48s):

Pull up a stool and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 50s):


4 (11m 52s):


6 (11m 52s):

Up and share a story. Pull up a stool and share.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 58s):

How about you pull up a stool and share with us?

Sean P. Holman (12m 2s):

How about it?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 3s):

Well, I don’t, are you sitting on a stool? Are you on a couch or in your truck? Where are you Kyle You got

Kyle Fischer (12m 9s):

On the couch tonight? I got

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 11s):

The couch. Okay, good. He’s comfy. He’s comfy. Hopefully you got a stiff drink in your hand.

Kyle Fischer (12m 15s):

I do. I got, I’m ready for you. Well

Sean P. Holman (12m 16s):

He is been on the show before so he knows what it takes to be a guest and that’s to be well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 21s):

Looped. Just sauced up.

Sean P. Holman (12m 22s):

Yeah, exactly. Because he knows how we are.

Kyle Fischer (12m 25s):

Yeah, I think last time I was on it that wasn at Seamless, so I wasn’t sauced then. But yeah, we had a good time. I think Levon Miller was on with us. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 33s):

My. Oh that’s right. Yeah, it’s one of the most, one of the winningest U C C pilots.

Sean P. Holman (12m 37s):

Yes. At a Diesel Power challenge winning alumni.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 41s):

Okay, so Kyle you were on was It last year, the year before at at, at the SEMA show, as we just said, and we kind of what we briefly went through the history of Hot Shot Secret, but I don’t know that all of our listeners have heard every one of our episodes. So I do wanna get kind of a, a CliffNotes version of why Hot Shot Secret, yeah.

Sean P. Holman (13m 2s):

Who you are, how you got started,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 3s):

Who you are and why you are the experts in additives.

Kyle Fischer (13m 6s):

Yeah. Well, you know, we kind of stay in our lane. We, we focus on high performance problem solving products. So I think I did kind of briefly get into our story last time I saw you. But we were, we were founded by Chris Recheck, he was a, a married father of six and trying to feed a lot of faces and was fortunate to come up with the formula that solved the problem with the Huey injectors and the six liter Fords when they first came out and started having problems on the Diesel side. And you know, that kind of launched the company with our first product eliminator. And we’ve just kind of continued down that path and, you know, we really don’t make any commodity style lubricants.

Kyle Fischer (13m 46s):

We just kind of focus on the high end, high performance and, you know, problem solving products. And it’s just kinda, a lot of people don’t know us, those that do love us and we’re kind of building a family and we’ve now been the fastest growing lubricant company in America the last few years. And people are finally fi finding out about us and we’re, we’re kind of on for a ride. It’s been fun.

Sean P. Holman (14m 8s):

Yeah. Well, you know, I think when even in the beginning you, when you guys came out, I think there’s a lot of people who assume, oh, it’s just snake oil. Oh, it’s just another company that’s trying to fleece us. But you guys have proven yourselves, especially in the Diesel performance side of the industry, racing, you know, longevity I mean there are die hard fans who will not put anything other than your product anywhere near their truck.

Kyle Fischer (14m 33s):

Yeah. We’ve always kind of taken an approach, you know, approach being conscious of snake oil out there. There is a lot of bad lubricants out there and there has been. So we’ve always kind of taken an approach to, to put our science out there, put the data out there. We’re a very open book and we really kinda capitalize on new technology. You know, I, I think it’s funny, especially in this truck world we live in, you know, everybody wants the newest technology and, you know, suspension and the newest turbos and injectors and, but for some reason the lubricant world’s always kind of been, oh, well I just kind of use my daddy’s daddy stuff, you know, but there is new modern technology in lubricants and that’s kind of where the space we live in.

Kyle Fischer (15m 14s):

So we kind of bring new technology to the market.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 17s):

I mean, and there are some, some chemists that are paid some really big bucks. I mean we always, when we hear of chemistry, we think of bioscience, we think of genetic science, right? But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t really talented chemists in the lubrication field that are inventing amazing stuff. Right. And you’re proof of that. So like, I I do want to go back to the diction, eliminator, the one that launched it all. What the heck is diction and why should we eliminate it?

Kyle Fischer (15m 45s):

Good question. So stick is really just a buildup of carbon deposits in the engine. And this goes for, for all engines. And you know, that product was formulated for the 6.0 Diesel and we’re very well known in the Diesel market. But this product can be used in gas or Diesel, it, it, it doesn’t matter for that. And any engine is gonna have burning of the oil, what we call ’em, the hotspots, which are the tightest tolerances in the engine. And as you know, these newer engines are even having tighter and tighter tolerances. So it’s becoming even more of an issue. And what that does it, it just gets the oil to a temperature where it burns off the hydrocyte, it’s a hydrocarbon and it leaves the carbon behind.

Kyle Fischer (16m 26s):

And there’s different ways of cleaning that out. Most of ’em are pretty harmful to the engine. Why stick eliminator is unique is that it cleans and lubricates at the same time. So instead of one of those products that you have to pour in and dump out real quick because it’s gonna dry out your bushings and you know, and can damage the engine, our product’s made with just high-end group four, group five esters, like real high-end oil esters that you put in with fresh oil and you leave in for the entire oil interval and it does the job while it’s protecting the engine.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 53s):

I worked for Gale Banks during the day, so the reason I bring up his name is he was doing some research on a, on some Diesel engines and we were going through the numbers and I, I don’t wanna botch the numbers so I’m not gonna throw any specific ones out, but he was going through how many times the valves open and close at like 3,500 RP m and it’s hundreds of times per second your intake and exhaust valves open and close, right? It’s a, it’s a, it’s a, a fraction of the overall R P m, right? So anyway, suck, squeeze, bang, blow as the kids say. But the thing is, until you see it with like a phantom camera shooting a thousand frames per second, you don’t, we all take it for granted is where I’m going with this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 35s):

We all take it for granted that there’s stuff happening in the engine that we just, we gloss over. Like we don’t really understand it. You can’t see it because it’s all in the valve covers. And at 30 504,000 r p m, which is pretty fast for a Diesel engine, those valves are moving so fast, like insanely fast where you can’t even see it with the naked eye. It looks like

Sean P. Holman (17m 56s):

A hummingbird’s wings flying in your backyard. I mean it’s, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 59s):

Just all you see is a blur, right? Literally until you get on a phantom camera to slow it down, you can see it. Where I’m going with this is if anything gets in that valve’s weigh, everything goes awry. Anything that doesn’t allow the valve to seat properly just screws it all up fairly quickly and Absolutely. And so the question, question this stuff is really important. No, I really wanna hit home the fact that like we just, engines just do what they do, right? And most people never tear into them and even mechanics usually aren’t tearing into them and leaving them apart while they start them. And look, you know, like you just can’t grasp how fast they’re moving. You know what I mean. That’s

Sean P. Holman (18m 37s):

A really long story.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 38s):

I just don’t know how to get it out, how to, like, I’m so passionate about it, but I can’t articulate it. When you see it on a phantom camera, you are like Oh, my God I can barely see it even at a thousand frames a second. It’s going up and down. Well

Sean P. Holman (18m 50s):

I think what you have to realize is, is the lubrication system obviously along with the cooling system are the, are the heart of the engine, it’s the blood, right? And the molecules I mean it comes down to the microscopic shape of molecules. And you think about viscosity changes over, you know, a huge temperature curve and how thin that that wall that’s left behind before the next blast of oil comes in there, that has to sit there and lubricate those parts that are, you know, metal to metal. It’s just, it’s, it’s a crazy thing that engines do what they do and they’re so reliable today you think about how many cars are out there with 500,000 miles on it and have the original engine, you know, you just have to take care of ’em.

Sean P. Holman (19m 31s):

And part of taking care of it is making sure that you have the right lubrication, the right additive package in there. Kyle,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 36s):

Take us through, what are these additives and I know that you can’t reveal the Secret of course, but can you tell us how these additives help or in some cases with your competitors hurt the issues?

Kyle Fischer (19m 50s):

Yeah, and and, and I’ll tell you the Secret, we don’t, we don’t hide the secrets. That’s, it is probably a bad company name for us, but we put it out there. And so yeah, I’ll give you a good example of, you know, some of the modern technology we use. The, the majority of the industry uses Molly or or mole, it’s common anti-wear agent. It’s a, it’s been around for 40, 50 years. It’s, it does a great job protecting. And the problem with Molly is it’s kinda like a plates, they slide on each other. So it’s kind of like how a kid would shuffle cards on a, on a table by slide sliding them around. That’s how Molly protects the two surfaces. But over time you kind of catch edges and it starts to break down so your protection level decreases every single time you run that engine until the time you change the oil.

Kyle Fischer (20m 40s):

The technology we use, we have a patented, it’s called FR three, it’s a friction reducer, it’s a carbon nanotechnology. So, and we’re talking nano-sized, these can be smaller than the human cell. So they’re, to best describe it from to un nerd, our ologists as I, as I often do, it’s really like a bunch of microscopic little BBSs that are attracted to heat. So they find the hotspots and they’re polarized so they’re attracted to the metal and they fill in any microscopic voids or even on a new engine, you know, machining marks to give a flat film layer. And that’s how you build the best lubricant base for a film strength. So it fills in all the voids to give you flat film layer.

Kyle Fischer (21m 22s):

And then we have a NAL lubricant that’s patented to go on top and that’s how we reduce wear over 40% just adding our additive to any, any oil out there. And of course we also sell oil too that already has our FFR three lubricant in it. But yeah, it’s just a different way of doing things. And the, the benefit over the moley is that the carbon nanotechnology never breaks down. So you get the same protection day one as you do at the end of the interval. As a matter of fact, after you dump that oil, R FFR three stays bonded to the engine for, for some time after that and continues protection even if you don’t add it on say the next oil change. So

Sean P. Holman (22m 0s):

Is this good for gas and Diesel? And the reason I ask is a lot of people who we’ve talked about Diesel inappropriateness on the show, a lot of people who have short trips or don’t work the truck are realizing that some of these big block options like the seven three Godzilla motor or the six eight and the new Ford Super Duty are a better option for how they use their truck and they may be coming from a Diesel product and they may be familiar with your product being used in that. Is, is there a solution for the gas powered guys as well?

Kyle Fischer (22m 29s):

Absolutely. And you know those two we’ve already named on, on the oil side, the stick eliminator and FFR three are good for both gas or Diesel. We use them on, on both sides of that. You know, it’s really when you get on the fuel side obviously where, you know you have Diesel specific and gasoline specific a additives. But we’re finding that a lot of the new turbos that you’re seeing on the gas side, we’ve been playing that turbo game for a long time. The Diesel side and specifically, you know, a turbo’s got a little tiny bearing in it about the size of your thumbnail and it sits in a little puddle of oil when that oil flow gets cut off. So it very quickly, you know, it can get up to a thousand degrees and it can very quickly can burn off that oil and leave that carbon deposit behind and then your turbo isn’t spinning as well.

Kyle Fischer (23m 14s):

And that’s why our oil outs clean that turbo bearing out so you, you get all your power back. Well that’s now translating over the gas side a lot, both with these larger engines that have tighter tolerances to make power as well as, you know, the turbocharge smaller, smaller engines as well. Well

Sean P. Holman (23m 31s):

A lot of the turbocharge smaller engines are using Diesel technology. They’re direct injected turbocharging, right? So you guys have been dealing with direct injection and turbocharging on the truck side for a very long time. So I can see how, you know, some of those same drawbacks of a di engine and blow by and some of the contamination of the oil also happens on the gas side of the house. And so I would imagine that you guys are, are well prepared for that. The other thing for me is a lot of these modern engines, so for example, Lightning has a, a Ram T R X with a blown six two and I’ve got a Wrangler 3 92 with a normally aspirated six four. But like most modern engines, these things run hot and they run hot because of emissions and, and more fuel burn.

Sean P. Holman (24m 14s):

So you’re looking at, you know, engine oil temps around 2 50, 2 60 is not uncommon and you’re looking at two 30 or something like that on the coolant side. All that is gonna do is break down that oil sooner. So in these modern engines that are running hotter and have the tighter tolerances, would you recommend, you know those additives or which one would you recommend for people like us?

Kyle Fischer (24m 38s):

Absolutely I would and and here’s the cool thing. The fictional eliminator actually has the FR three infused into it. So you’re gonna get all the benefits of that nano lubricant in the fictional eliminator where, where it that really shines is on the cleaning side. So if you’ve got some miles on the truck, then it’s good to run a, a dose of fictional eliminator in your oil to get everything cleaned out and you’re gonna get that lubrication, extra lubrication from the FFR three with that. If you’ve got a newer truck right out of the gate, you can just start running FFR three. You don’t really need all the cleansing properties of the stick eliminator. But what’s great about that is, you know, you know from birth, if you protect that engine, you’re really extending the life and we have a lot of lab studies to show from where scar results that, you know, we can reduce that wear over 40%.

Kyle Fischer (25m 25s):

So if you start that day one on a new engine like that, you’re effectively, you know, extending, you know that the engine’s life almost double, you know, by being able to reduce wear out from from the start.

Sean P. Holman (25m 35s):

What if you started around 11,000 miles Kyle?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 38s):

Is that oddly? Wait, wait, wait. Is that your, or is that me? Is that oddly specific? Wait a minute. ’cause I have it’s both of us. Yeah ’cause I have 10,300 on mine. Oh, I beat you. Yeah. Oh you do? What do you

Sean P. Holman (25m 47s):

Have? Yeah, like 11 three on mine. Now how I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 49s):

Was, I was trumping you by like 2000. What happened? I

Sean P. Holman (25m 52s):

I drive mine, but where’d

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 53s):

I drive mine every single day? Ah, well where, where’d you go? Where’d you put on the Miles? Desert

Sean P. Holman (25m 57s):

Offroading. Huh? I went to Arizona a couple times.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 1s):

I was so proud that I thought I was ahead of you. No, damn, I’m gonna have to drive to Vegas and back tonight.

Kyle Fischer (26m 5s):

I want, I wanna say I’m glad to hear you guys are ballpark guys too. I got a, I got a I six one cheap S r t Oh,

Sean P. Holman (26m 13s):

Early one. Yeah,

Kyle Fischer (26m 14s):

It’s my, it’s my fun one, but it it’s down now. It’s hurt. But, but yeah, I like, I like to hear what kind of cars you guys have.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 21s):

So I wanna go through some of the products so people understand the FFR three is either sold alone as the FFR three friction reducer or it comes with distinction eliminator. So you can buy it as a, a combination right? In one bottle or separate. Correct?

Kyle Fischer (26m 37s):

That’s correct. And it’s also in every single one of our engine oils, transmission fluids, gear oils, it really is our, our patented, you know, anti-wear and you could, it’s got a lot more usage just that I know one of the things that we see in the Diesel world we see in the, in the gas world as well is obviously these lifted trucks with big tires. If you put a just about an ounce, you don’t even need much. It’s a 5% dose. So you know, it’s a little cap full in power steering man. It, it goes a long way in reducing the, the strain on the power steering pump. And it’s a lot easier to Wheel around these big, big tire trucks too. So it’s got a lot of uses like that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 13s):

Holman, that’s you.

Sean P. Holman (27m 14s):

Yep. That def definitely is. That

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 17s):

Is you. So, and then take me through what’s TB N booster? what is that? Is that turbo related?

Kyle Fischer (27m 23s):

Oh wow. That’s a, that’s a strange product.

Sean P. Holman (27m 27s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 27s):

I can ignore it if you want. No, I like, I

Sean P. Holman (27m 29s):

Like how lighting pulled up the one strange product in your, in your portfolio. I that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 33s):

Wasn purple and I needed to know more.

Kyle Fischer (27m 36s):

I I’ll give you, it’s, it’s, it is a strange one, but I’ll I’ll give you a quick example of what it is like I, my layman’s terms of it, it’s basically the really good stuff inside a really good oil. If you strip out all the base oil, so it’s kinda like the Kool-Aid packet of some really high-end oil. It’s

Sean P. Holman (27m 53s):

A Kool-Aid packet without

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 54s):

The water. So he’s talking about it’s a concentrate. Yeah, that,

Kyle Fischer (27m 56s):

Yeah. So it, what it’s used for is it, it’s a third of our FR three that we talked about. A third is a robust CK four Diesel package. And then the last third is a T B N booster, which is total base number that’s kind of a, a measure of the detergents in your, in, in your oil. So what we use that for is our long, long interval drivers like our over the road truckers. We’ve got trucks now running, you know, 150, 200,000 miles on an oil change. And in order to do that you need to be running a bypass filter that cleans the oil regularly and you have to have a special base oil that we use that doesn’t shear break breakdown. And then that last part of the puzzle is you slowly deplete out these additive packages.

Kyle Fischer (28m 39s):

So we do oil analysis on these trucks every 20,000 miles or so and spike up that additive package back up and keep ’em rolling and it’s, so, it’s a very unique product but that, that’s what it is. So,

Sean P. Holman (28m 51s):

Forgive my ignorance, what is a typical oil oil change interval for a big rig? Is it 20,000 miles?

Kyle Fischer (28m 59s):

It really depends on the fleets. We have all sorts of different fleets that I mean go anywhere from 20 I mean, I’d say I mean if I were to get an average of the ones I know they’re usually around 50, 40 or 50. Wow. But we, we see a lot higher than that and then we see a lot lower than that. It really depends the type of oil you’re using and, and really the service duty of the trucks too. That changes a lot. Of

Sean P. Holman (29m 20s):

Course. Now in looking at, so you know the eliminator and so some of the, the, you know, points that you have on here is that it, you know, removes diction and the sludge varnish from burnt oil, all of that. Would you recommend that doing it in like the new with an oil change? Or is it the last thousand miles before you do an oil change, you add it so that it breaks up all that stuff and then you get fresh oil in the vehicle,

Kyle Fischer (29m 43s):

You put it in with fresh oil. That that’s exactly what makes it unique. Again, it’s only, it’s made with group four, group five ester. So you’re only gonna improve the oil you’re putting it in and improves the film strength. It improves the lubricity of the, of, of the oil and it does that while cleaning. And instead of using harsh abrasives that, you know, any other type of engine clean out uses, like I said, it it it, it rehydrates those old carbon deposits and turns ’em back to a liquid form. And so then they get slowly picked up in your oil filter and ultimately when you change the oil, all of it comes out with the spent oil and you’ve got clean engine internals.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30m 21s):

I’m gonna go sideways just for a second here because I stumbled on a page that I didn’t realize that you had at at Hot Shot Secret dot com. You make RV products and I know a lot of our listeners structure podcast, but a lot of our listeners have RVs. I I would imagine that they’re all a host of issues because people don’t drive r their RV all year, right? It sits for six, nine months at a time. Maybe they take it out in the summer or the winter depending on where they live. What are the issues with RVs and how have you solved them?

Kyle Fischer (30m 51s):

Great question. And, and this is something we’re gonna, we’re we’re really been focusing on we’re, we’ve got some more lines coming out, marine and motorcycle and power equipment. We’re we’re, we’re taking the technology that we have. We have good products out there right now for gas and Diesel. So if you’ve got a gas or Diesel RV, you can use our standard gas and Diesel products just fine. But what we did is we took them back to the lab to our ologist and we said if you had a chance to formulate, say this fuel additive over again and you knew that the user was gonna be putting it in an RV, would you change it at all? And that, you know, led us down to research on how these, you know, are used and you, and you nailed it. You like you said, these RVs travel for long distances and then stop and sit for long periods of time.

Kyle Fischer (31m 36s):

So for example, our fuel additives, both the gas and Diesel RV fuel additives are similar to our standard fuel additives. But the formula is tweaked for that application. We’ve increased the fuel stability in there to extend it longer. We add more water dispersement than what we tr traditionally put in because with the changing of the, the seasons and the, and the travel, you can, you build up a lot of water in the system and, and and the cleaning aspect, we need to keep those injectors clean. So we, we have a, we we bump up the fuel system cleaner in there as well. So it’s really just kind of dialing in the formula for that particular application to even have better success and performance with it.

Sean P. Holman (32m 19s):

So I’m thinking, you know, going from driving for long distances and then being parked and I’m not even talking about being parked for a week at a campsite. I mean being parked for four or five months on the side of the house until you have your next trip. I would imagine on the oil additives you’re doing something that keeps as much oil up By the pistons as possible so it’s easier to start and you don’t get as much, you know, friction from something that’s been sitting there with oil down in the sump rather than in the, you know, in the, it’s the ultimate

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 47s):

Cold start isn’t it?

Sean P. Holman (32m 47s):

Right. That I mean that’s the, the cold start test

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (32m 50s):

I mean it’s just metal on metal.

Kyle Fischer (32m 52s):

Absolutely. Absolutely. And you know, another thing people don’t think about often is the oil stability. You know, ’cause they’ll say we only ran the RV two trips last year. We put a thousand miles on it and it’s been sitting there for a year. Well, you know, you introduce, you know, acids to the oil the first time you crank it on. So whether you put five, 10, a thousand miles on it, you started to introduce acids that will start to break down that oil. So if you park it, those acids don’t care. They’re still working on it. So maybe only a thousand miles on that oil, but it can start to oxidize over time if it’s been run. So keeping a good oil stabilizer and fortifier in there is really important for that, that particular application where that’s not needed so much on a vehicle that’s, you know, a daily driver that you’re running every day.

Sean P. Holman (33m 42s):

So I’m gonna change gears and go sideways now because I just found a product on there that I’m really excited about is this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 48s):

Is this is a website like the gift that keeps giving it is.

Sean P. Holman (33m 51s):

’cause the more you dig into, you’re like didn didn’t even know I need to live for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 53s):

That. It’s, it’s like a mystery box By the way you can buy a mystery box at on chop Secret dot com. Well

Sean P. Holman (33m 58s):

You can also buy a lubrication for your slide out on your RV too. I, I saw that. So I was looking at the C L p gun oil. So if you are a, a shooter like I am, you know c L P is one of the best oils you can get for servicing, stripping, cleaning and and getting ready. Is that how you’re good? Is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (34m 14s):

C L P a brand name or a style of oil? A a a formulation?

Sean P. Holman (34m 18s):

I believe it’s a formulation. They, correct me if I’m wrong Kyle, but you guys have your own version of it. Nano precision c l p that has the FR three in it. And that’s what got me to raise my eyebrows. ’cause I went, could you imagine a tightly frit fitting slide to frame like on a staccato or something like that and having that fr three on the slide? How nice that must be to be to, to shoot.

Kyle Fischer (34m 43s):

Oh yeah, that’s a great product. Yeah, we, we have a lot of products people don’t know we make, but but that’s one that, that often doesn’t get discovered right away. The c l p part, that means cleans cleaning, lubrication and protection there go and that’s a thing in the industry. A lot of the gun oils either do one of the three or two of the three and some of the hiring gun oils do all three. And that’s when you see C L P. We formulated that. We used that same NCARB technology that we used inside of a, a truck engine for Yeah. The sliding mechanisms of, of a firearm. And we have some awesome testing with, with a SWAT team that showed a lot of reduction in jams.

Kyle Fischer (35m 24s):

I I know they, we had, they had like an 82% reduction in their jams over the same type of training exercise they, they do every, every week. The heat reduction on, on multi multi fire

Sean P. Holman (35m 36s):

What prevents rust and corrosion on, on bluing, right? Yeah. And,

Kyle Fischer (35m 39s):

And, and it can, it won’t damage any surface. So you can run it on all the surfaces and it’s odorless too. So it’s good for hunters, you know, won’t affect their hunting

Sean P. Holman (35m 47s):

When I like the reducing powder and gr buildup. So like on a 1911 you can get, you know, you shoot enough rounds through it and if you’re using dirtier powder, a cheaper ammo, it’s almost cartoonish how slow your slide will come back. And so, right. I think this is something that, you know, allows you before you get the stove pipe because you didn’t your

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 5s):

Gun, it’s notice it’s that noticeable.

Sean P. Holman (36m 6s):

Oh, you’ll see your slide move like 50% slower than normal really it’s, it’ll barely push the next round through or it’ll stove pipe and, and it doesn’t move fast enough to eject the round. And so that’s kind of how you know when it’s dirty is when it does this really slow. But if you have something that is reducing powder and grime and then adds a a, a coating of oil that stays with the metal, then I can only imagine that the, your reliability of your pistol goes up quite, quite a bit.

Kyle Fischer (36m 32s):

Yeah. And you miss 1911. I have one myself and I can I I I can tell audibly tell the difference. I can hear it as you said, it starts to stick. So, and I’ve treated with, with R C L P, it’s, it’s pretty cool. I should, I’ll send you guys something to try out.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 45s):

Yep. Send a double helping Holman. I don’t, I don’t know, own a firearm. I wish I did.

Sean P. Holman (36m 50s):

I, I’ll I’ll let you field trip my 1911 and then you can Well are you, are you gonna

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 53s):

Use teach me how to do it? Sure. Okay. I’ll do it. Hey, I I’ve got a whopper of a question for you. So eliminate the stick eliminator because we know that’s the groundbreaking product that launched the company. What product would you say other than that one has surprised the most people? Like Oh, my God, I can’t believe this solves x When you’re talking to people like you’re at U C C, ultimate Callout, challenger, you know, O D S SS or National Hot Rod Diesel Association meet, you know, whatever, where guys come up to you and go this blah blah blah. I can’t believe it did this thing. What is the one

Kyle Fischer (37m 29s):

Product? Well, I I could probably give you two. Okay. One for the racing side, which is a very small community and one for the everyday guy. The everyday guy is always our fuel additives. And, and and, and especially on the Diesel side, we have a great gasoline extreme additive that we have out now that I, we get the same type of response from. And really it’s because it goes back to what you said that, you know, there’s a lot of snake oil on the market and the fuel additives out there are pretty poor and there’s a, there’s a, there’s some good ones out there, but we kind of go crazy with the fuel additives and max out what the E p A allows us to put into these products. We use no fillers in anything.

Kyle Fischer (38m 10s):

So we have a lot of people that say, you know, they’ve tried outs before, they don’t believe in ’em and, and we’re always the the first one that they actually see felt, fix the problem, kept them on the road, returned ’em on the road, raise their mile per gallon, felt more power, dde more power. And in, in our industry it’s, it’s almost like the, the bar’s low. It’s like the, the industry has ruined it so much that it’s like all you gotta do is make some really good stuff and people will see it, you know, so we really focus on, on, on, on, on making high quality products using the best ingredients. You know, we’re not the cheapest out there and, and, but you know, it’s, it’s, and and we Believe it or not, we don’t even, we have a smaller margin than most of the lubricant companies out there as well.

Kyle Fischer (38m 57s):

So we are just using some really high end ingredients and, and new technology and it works and, and people just are surprised ’cause they just don’t believe in it. I I

Sean P. Holman (39m 6s):

Would say that your pricing is not unreasonable at all looking on the website direct. I don’t know if you guys sell in any of the big box stores or any other retailers but direct from your website it doesn’t seem unreasonable for what you get.

Kyle Fischer (39m 20s):

Yeah. And, and we’ve sold everywhere, all the auto parts stores, all your truck stops, farm stores and you know, sold online. And we have a big dealer network nationwide as well. Independent dealers selling our products. So we’re, we’re getting widely available now. And I, I agree with you. I think we’re very fairly priced for the products we offer. But, and if you really notice since we don’t use filler in any of our products, and this is kinda kind of what stunned the growth of hotshot at at the beginning, you know, when we are getting into retail, the retailers would tell Chris, our founder that they wanted him to fill up the, the jug with a bunch of filler because you know, if my customer’s gonna pay 20 bucks for a bottle of additive, I want him walking out with a gallon.

Kyle Fischer (40m 2s):

That’s what he wants. And Chris just refused to do it and he turned down big contracts for a long time and until we started getting big enough that they’re like, All right, come on, we’ll we’ll take your little bottle, you know, and, and we have a 16 ounce, our number one Diesel out of everyday Diesel treatment is a 16 ounce bottle and it treats 400 gallons of fuel. So a lot of times people don’t look at the treat rate on these and whereas there’s competitor products that are two, three quart size bottles and they treat, you know, a hundred gallons. So you really gotta look when you do the math on that. We’re, we’re very affordable. I like to say

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 41s):

I don’t think people understand how potent some chemicals can be and someone in our audience, I’m sure works for a gas company, but you know how natural gas when it comes, if you’ve got a gas leak in your house, you can smell it right away. I was yeah, it’s an additive. I was told that yeah, it’s an additive. Correct. And I was told that it’s like a single drop can do like 500 gallons of natural gas or 500 cubic feet something something like crazy. Just a single drop of this scent is so powerful. It got, it reminds me of what you’re talking about with you just a thimble full of your additive can do an entire tank. So you’re getting a, a lot of fill for one of these 16 ounce bottles.

Kyle Fischer (41m 18s):

Yeah. Chemistry’s crazy. I I, the, the guys in the lab blow my mind when I, when I learn more and more about it and I, I’ll give you a a perfect example. The our, our E D T Diesel treatment has six ingredients in it. It’s got injector cleaner, a setan booster, lubricity additive, a stabilizer, a corrosion inhibitor and a and a and a water dispersement. And we treat 25 gallons with one ounce of product. And so it only takes one ounce to treat 25 gallons. And in each six of those categories we’re number one in the market on third party testing. It’s the highest et boost, it’s the most lubricity, it’s, it’s the most dispersion and stabilizer.

Kyle Fischer (42m 0s):

And it just goes to show that if you use really good, you know, ingredients and you don’t water ’em down, you can get a lot done with a little bit of product. And yeah, people are often surprised at how How much these treat rates you can really cover.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 16s):

I had a question about your, you brought up a water disbursement in the Diesel fuel treatment. How, how does that work on in layman’s terms because it can’t really get rid of the water molecule and it like what does it do with it? Like how does it Sure, because we, we all have like, you know, whether it’s fast or it’s aird dog, you know they have water separators, some work, some don’t. Sure. How do, how does it work on a chemical level?

Kyle Fischer (42m 44s):

So on the Diesel side, pretty much every Diesel has a water separator. The the, the fast and aird dog units are additional add on to that and help that system. There’s two ways of, of attacking the water issue in diesels. And diesels really develop a lot of water in the system. You gotta be careful with that. You can use an emulsifier or a de emulsifier. So in layman’s terms, a emulsifier will encapsulate the water molecules to kind of break them up and, and and allow them to pass through your fuel filter and get spent off, you know, down down the line. That’s a, the cheaper way of doing things. It’s very inexpensive chemical that does that.

Kyle Fischer (43m 25s):

We don’t agree with that approach because the pressure, the Diesel fuel systems are under I mean you’re talking up to 30,000 p s i at the rail there and at that pressure, if you get water you can literally blow off an injector tip. So we use a much more expensive way but more proper way we believe, which is a de emulsifier. And what that does in layman’s terms, it, it shocks the fuel and makes the water drop outta solution. So kinda like you see oil and water separate, that water now drops to the very bottom of the fuel tank and that’s where your, your water separator is. So rather than having to filter through the fuel to get the water, we’re feeding the filter, the separator, it’s water now.

Kyle Fischer (44m 7s):

Now the different thing is for the gas side of things like our gasoline extreme product and our gas RVs products is completely fine. You know, you don’t have the same pressure that you have on in a Diesel system. So we actually use the emulsifier in gasoline products ’cause we want them to pass through and you just, you know, it just blows out, you know, easy and you burn ’em off. It’s just like, you know, know burning steam. So it’s a lot easier to pass that.

Sean P. Holman (44m 35s):

Okay. So can we give that to Lightning and make it easier for him to pass things like steam?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 40s):

I do. I’m doing that now. Can

Sean P. Holman (44m 41s):

Do you have a hot air emulsifier

Kyle Fischer (44m 45s):

My head.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 45s):

I don’t have that. My head will shrink if you get me one. Yes. Another thing I wanted to cover the, the E D T winter defense. We talked a little bit about storing your RV over, you know, the winter season or summer depending on where you are. Talk to me about the winter defense. What does it do?

Kyle Fischer (45m 1s):

So that product is just the winter version of our everyday Diesel treatment. So it has those same six components I named earlier that are really designed to treat the poor Diesel fuel that we get from the pump. It’s just awful and brings the lubrication. Oh, so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 17s):

That’s not a storage thing. That’s because you get crappy fuel in the wintertime?

Kyle Fischer (45m 22s):

Well you get crappy fuel year round Diesel fuel. Yeah, I was gonna,

Sean P. Holman (45m 25s):

I was gonna say Diesel, it’s, it’s really easy to get a bad batch

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 28s):

Somewhere, dude, if you remember that wasn summertime, the middle of summer when I sucked up a couple of gallons of water that wasn awful.

Sean P. Holman (45m 33s):

Well for me, I was looking at the the LX four lubricity extreme because that is made specifically for the ultralow sulfur, sulfur Diesel. And I would imagine like that is a big deal for adding back some of the things you don’t get from the pump anymore.

Kyle Fischer (45m 47s):

Oh, a hundred percent. And, and and and that’s also what the, what the wintery version is. It adds that seventh component of, of anti gel to protect, you know, Diesel fuel from gelling that LX four lubricant is one of those six ingredients. So that comes in that everyday treatments kind of an all-in-one there and that is vital. Like, you know, like you said, it’s really easy to get some bad Diesel fuel, but the best Diesel fuel you get from the pump is still bad. It’s, it doesn’t have any lubricity in it at all. And that’s what a lot of people don’t understand on the, on, you know, it’s, they’re new to diesels, the, you know, we used to have a lot of sulfur in our Diesel. Yep. It’s a great lubricant fuel. And then the government mandated to remove 99% of the sulfur out of the Diesel and that was low sulfur Diesel.

Kyle Fischer (46m 31s):

And then they came back a few years later and said, Nope, now you gotta remove 99% of the remaining 1%. Yeah. We have ultra low sulfur Diesel. So there’s just nothing protecting these fuel systems. And we’ve seen it with the introduction of the CP four pump that’s been a class action law school huge with all the big, huge

Sean P. Holman (46m 49s):

Issue across the, and By the way a lot of people think, oh, it’s just gladiator ram, eco Diesel, it’s all CP fours. It’s all CP fours. Yep. And yep, there’s a, there’s a lot of guys online who are armchair engineers trying to solve the problem whether, you know, additives will fix the issue or not. There’s people that are reverse engineering CP threes back on those vehicles because the CP three was so reliable. You’ve got, you know, companies that have gone to Bosch and said you have to fix this. Well Bosch is so behind the ball on that. There’s people that are like a year out on their warranty because there just aren’t enough parts because that pump is on so many stuff, so many things. And the other thing I was gonna add, gonna add is when people are comparing like European diesels to American diesels, their fuel’s completely different than ours.

Sean P. Holman (47m 36s):

And so there’s a, there’s a different experience over there than, than what we have to deal with over here. And I think that’s, you know, obviously EVs is one of the reasons and emissions, but I think that’s one of the reasons you see, saw a lot of the European diesels, you know, back out of the US in the North American market is because the fuel over here sucks.

Kyle Fischer (47m 53s):

So you absolutely nailed it. And that’s the whole story behind the CP four. So they, the CP three was a great pump and you know, Bosch made it all the big three use it. It’s the same pump and all these trucks. They started introducing the CP four manufacturers, adopted ’em at different years. I actually, Ram didn’t do it till 2019 on the, on the, on the fifth gens, which I have a 2020 ram and I just, I’ve been waiting a year for my CP three. It just finally got recalled, got parts in. But what happened was Bosch created this new CP four pump, and they answer your question of, of all the scientists out there, the armchair guys, there’s truth on both sides of that. There, there’s two ways they fail.

Kyle Fischer (48m 35s):

Number one, they just have a bad roller rocker that is not basic, basically anchored, and it can turn at any time, pretty much. And when these things fail, they shoot metal straight down the whole fuel system all the way to

Sean P. Holman (48m 46s):

Else. Oh, you’re, you’re talking about 20,000 to $25,000 in repairs because the entire fuel system and everything downstream, including the entire top end of the engine has to be replaced because it’s basically shove shrapnel down the entire thing. And Yep. You know, my, my feeling is, you know, I’ve had people and listeners reach out to, to us and they’ve said, oh, should I add lubricant or not? You know, the, the internet as you will, is Split on whether or not that is the right thing to do. My whole thing is why not? You’re not hurting anything, you know? Yeah. That rocker design and it’s bad, but you might as well, well,

Kyle Fischer (49m 23s):

I’ll give you the best comparison that, that can give somebody some confidence in using a lubricant. The, the failure rate in Europe, on the exact same trucks coming off the same lines, the same MO models and everything is less than 1% on their CP four pumps. And that’s what is considered manufacture defect. It means it’s not really a problem. Those are the CP fours that are turning on that roller rocker in America. We have a failure rate on CP fours between seven and 8%. Wow.

Sean P. Holman (49m 55s):

It’s a lot. That’s very, very

Kyle Fischer (49m 57s):

Expensive. Here’s the difference. European fuel has a wear scar requirement of 360 microns, which means that’s How much in a wear scar test. It scrapes out of a, a, a metal from a lubricant protecting it. In America. We allow up to 420, even though the engine manufacturer of America recommends the 3 360 just like Europe. And that difference in that much drier of a fuel that allows that much more aware, that is the only difference between those trucks in Europe, Europe, and those trucks in America. So I would argue that it, it, you know, that increased failure rate is from the, the, the lubricity failure, aside from just the roller rocker.

Kyle Fischer (50m 39s):

That happens about 1% on all of them. And who

Sean P. Holman (50m 40s):

Knows it, it might be 10%. If it weren’t for the Diesel community embracing additives, they, it may, you know, instead of 8%, it might be 10. ’cause I guarantee you at least 2% of Diesel owners are putting, you know, lubrication additives in that, in that system.

Kyle Fischer (50m 55s):

Yep. Absolutely.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 57s):

All. right. So we’ve talked through issues, we’ve talked through the chemicals, we’ve talked through the products

Sean P. Holman (51m 2s):

And the gun oil I’m gonna get

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 3s):

And the gunno that all the home was gonna get. Yep. Let’s talk through events. You swept fricking U C C. So everyone, all the guys that were running, Hot, Shot, Secret, like basically one, take us through ultimate Callout challenge. I want you, ’cause some of our listeners don’t really know what U C C is, so if you could just give us that snapshot and then move into like how did you team up with all the winners and how do you take credit for Hot Shot Secret having pushed all those up onto the podium?

Kyle Fischer (51m 34s):

Well, you know, U C C is ultimate call out challenge once a year held in Indianapolis. And it’s pretty much what we consider our, our Super Bowl of diesels. And as you, as you mentioned, D P C kinda started the whole thing. It’s kind of a triathlon, it’s an invite only of usually 20 to 30 of the, the baddest trucks out there. And they’re kind of, like I say, they’re kinda like Swiss Army knife, you know, they’re, they’re not just drag cars or pulling trucks or Dino monsters, you know, you kind of gotta be good at all three. And it’s a three day event where they get points on the drag strip and then the truck goes on a dino and then the third day they do a sled pull and they gain points over those days.

Kyle Fischer (52m 16s):

They crown an ultimate champion. And we’ve actually been fortunate in hot shots that literally every single U c C champion has been a Hot, Shot, Secret, you know, sponsored racer. So, you know, starting with, you know, Levon Miller when he repeat it as you mentioned earlier. And then, let’s see, and then there’s Derek Rose and I don’t

Sean P. Holman (52m 37s):

Know, I heard that you sponsor everyone.

Kyle Fischer (52m 41s):

We, we do sponsor a lot. You know, we’ve been fortunate in, we, we came up on the Diesel drag racing side and, and You know what the cool part about it is. It really, it wasn’t really where we were going. It it, it really came from relationships when we were trying to do really high performance testing and then some of these teams and these high performance teams saw that the gains they could make with our products and it turned out to be this great r and d relationship. So yeah, we get great publicity out of it and you know, it’s good for marketing and it’s really exciting to work with these teams, but it really fuels our r and d and our product development and our, our sponsored guys aren’t just running our, our our fluids, but they’re, they’re, they’re testing, you know, a lot of prototype fluids and helping us develop fluids that at the end are what we bottle for the everyday guy out there that’s, you know, they can know the product’s been tested at the highest level.

Kyle Fischer (53m 35s):

So, so yeah, so we’ve, we’ve had the U C C champion, you know, since the beginning and, and this year we, yeah, we swept one, two, and three and that’s awesome. that wasn just a, that wasn just a a a really, if if you, if you guys are ever gonna go check out a Diesel event, that’s the one to go see. It’s really cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 54s):

You mentioned earlier that some of your lubricants and additives were actually adding horsepower, which I, I, I think is maybe, well I think they said not hard to believe for someone, but if

Sean P. Holman (54m 5s):

5% but independently verified, they’re not making the claim. Right. I mean that’s No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 9s):

No, but I’m just saying that he mentioned it earlier that, so I, I’m trying to wrap my head around how that could be, and I’m just thinking, well, the piston can move faster through the cylinder le less resistance. And that could be, I don’t know, what is the, you don’t have to go on record or anything, but are we seeing sometimes one horsepower, 30 horsepower? What have you seen? And we’re not gonna hold you to it, I’m just, I’m just curious what you’ve be or you’ve heard reported to you.

Kyle Fischer (54m 38s):

I, I’ve, I’ve heard and seen some really crazy stuff that I won’t even say because it’s, it’s, it’s too hard to believe. But generally when we, when we have third party testing done on a dyno with our FFR three, we see a three to 5% increase in horsepower. And that generally holds between, you know, low horsepower to our top racers, you know, you know, running 3000 horsepower, you know, trucks. So that all started with our relationship with Levon Miller and Fire Punk. And I think that’s what we kind of mentioned last time we were on. And we were looking for some dino testing on that FFR three product, this is probably seven, eight years ago now.

Kyle Fischer (55m 20s):

And we didn’t know them from anybody again, we weren’t even in motorsports. And turns out they were recommended to us a local place that had a Dino and we called them up, wanted to buy some dino time. You know, obviously we’re very close now we laugh about that day. They were like, oh, here comes some snake oil company with some magic sauce. I can’t wait to see what it does. And, but we kinda surprised that we gave it to ’em. We said, no, we want you to use your vehicles.

Sean P. Holman (55m 44s):

And I remember that that happening. And I remember the story behind that because that’s exactly right. They, they were like, okay buddy. And then all of a sudden they’re like, wow, this, this stuff actually works because, you know, to refresh our, our listeners Hot Shot Secret, well it came from the Hot Shot industry from, you know, driving trucks, towing loads across the country. To your point, not started in racing. You guys kind of found racing because the enthusiasts found, you started using it another trucks and all of a sudden you went, wow, we’ve got these, you know, these built-in advocates over here and we haven’t had to try very hard.

Kyle Fischer (56m 16s):

Right? And, and, and here’s what’s kind of cool about where our history came from as well. So after we, you know, started getting into this motorsports stuff and really dominating and, and people finding our product really quickly, you know, we were kind of challenged with this. We were being, getting asked for developing a full blown racing oils. And it’s like, man, that’s, that’s going a long way from, you know, semi-truck on the highway to high-end racing oils. And what we did was kind of how I mentioned earlier, how we got some of these big rigs that, you know, can go 150, 200,000 miles on an oil change. One of those aspects aside from the T B N we talked about is the base oil.

Kyle Fischer (56m 56s):

And we use a very, very unique base oil. It’s a group four PAOs called, it’s a poly alpha olefin. So it’s actually a true synthetic oil. It’s a grade above what You know what the world calls Synthetic Group three oils. And what makes that unique is it’s a truly synthesized oil where we control the carbon chain in a lab so we can make it identical and it can’t break. All oils will start to shear outta grade A group four will not shear. So that’s why these big rigs can go that long. We have to clean the oil and we have to advertise the oil, but the base oil itself will not shear, it will hold 1540 or what it ever it is. And we’ve been using that technology for a long time.

Kyle Fischer (57m 38s):

So when we got challenged to make a racing oil, we were unique in that we were in the racing industry. We gotta take a whole different approach to it and came from a different angle. We use our f y three technology and we use that same base oil because although these race trucks aren’t, you know, running a hundred thousand miles, they shear oil in a quarter mile pass under 3000 horsepower just as quick. So we use that base oil technology in our race oil so they don’t shear the oil. Then we add our additive package with our FFR three. And then you get into stuff like everybody knows about zinc and we run, you know, 3000 parts per million zinc and a thousand parts per million alimony of which is a really great zinc supercharger that most companies don’t use ’cause they just cost too much.

Kyle Fischer (58m 25s):

But, and our racing oil costs a lot, but it has the best ingredients in the world and it’s been proven time and time and now we’re getting really big in gas cider racing as well. And who would ever thought we’d one day have the best racing oil in the world? But that’s where we are now. So it all came from Truckin and this entrance into Motorsport.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 47s):

Speaking of Truckin, well first off, congratulations on the success. I think we, we said, we said that first time, but on all honesty, we’re, we’re, we’re truly happy for you.

Kyle Fischer (58m 55s):

Appreciate that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 56s):

You, you sponsor big rig racing and Holman and I, which is one of the reddest things we can ever watch. We want to go, we wanna go, how do we go?

Sean P. Holman (59m 4s):

Seriously, one of the most awesome things you can ever watch is the torque of a, a class eight Diesel twisting the frame on a long nose peat and having the stacks at like a 45 degree angle as they take off, off a line belching smoke and making all glorious Diesel and turbo sounds. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 20s):

Mr. Kyle Fisher, can you get your boys Lightning and Holman to the Christmas tree at a big rig event? We wanna stand between the trucks when they launch.

Kyle Fischer (59m 32s):

How about the passenger seat? I can get you there and that’s a wild ride.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 36s):

Shut the front door. What?

Kyle Fischer (59m 38s):

No, no, but here’s the catch though. You, you, you gotta make it up to Onaway Michigan and it is up there. I mean it is spiting distance from Canada and because that’s where this racing came from. It’s like Quebec style racing once a year. Onaway Michigan has this big rig challenge that has become one of my favorite events. And like you said, there’s nothing like seeing these big rigs and you forgot a part of it. It’s not just that these big rigs are drag racing, it’s an uphill torse. The end of the track goes straight uphill and they’re carrying two trailer folds of 80,000 pounds of lumber. Oh, what? It’s banana I mean.

Kyle Fischer (1h 0m 19s):

It is insane. It it, it, it’s a cool event. You have to come. I’ll be happy to host you. I’ve got plenty of drivers that I can get you in the passenger seat. Yeah. And a ride out Oh

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 29s):

My God By the way, on a way I’m looking at it right now. I’ve actually been further north than that because when I went to the proving grounds with Dana, that was actually at, geez, all the way up in St. Salt St. Maria I believe. And so that was literally right on the border. This is over by Sheboygan. So yeah, I think we could find our ways out there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 53s):

What what, what time of year is that event?

Kyle Fischer (1h 0m 55s):

It’s every year on Memorial Day. ’cause it’s, it’s actually the weekend before Ultimate Callout challenge. It’s, it’s been a rough two weeks for me the last few years doing those two events back, back to back. But man, but yeah. Okay,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 8s):

So you’re talking May, April, may-ish next year in 24. Yep. All, right? Holman that’s going on the calendar. Yep. All

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 15s):

Right. Put it on the calendar that,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 16s):

That’s a must attend.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 17s):

Don’t let our friend Kyle down the way you let Sean ramage and Empire down. Let’s get that in the calendar.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 23s):

It’s gonna go on the calendar right after we hang up. I’m going to go in your cupboard, steal some chocolate chip cookies, then come back here and put it on our calendar

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 32s):

By the way the chocolate chip cookies in the house are stale because my family’s out of town and I haven’t gone to the grocery store so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 37s):

I don’t care. Stale cookies don’t scare me. Kyle, thank you very much for carving out almost an hour with us. This is super, super cool. You’ve got so many new products since the last time we spoke with you and yeah, we love

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 49s):

Having you on and I know we’ve been trying to get together on this for a little while now, so I’m glad we were able to put it all together. ’cause I think this is our listener. Love to hear the backside of, of these stories and and, and like to hear from the company like, why should I believe you? Why, how is this product going to affect my vehicle? And they wanna do what’s right. I mean these car, these trucks are costing a hundred thousand dollars and they don’t wanna just put anything in there. So having you on to kind of explain the backstory and and, and make people feel at ease on how to keep their trucks lasting for a long time is, is awesome And we really appreciate it.

Kyle Fischer (1h 2m 23s):

Well I really appreciate you guys having me on and look forward to coming back. I always have a good time with you guys.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 29s):

Awesome. Absolutely.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 30s):

Thank you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 31s):

Kyle. Appreciate it. I gotta say I’m, I’m a little intrigued with Hot Shot Secrets.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 39s):

I’m excited about their potential for gas engines and gas longevity. You know, I I think if you use your Diesel truck and you are working it and you are getting your EG ts up and your, you know, d p f filter up and you’re doing the normal regen ’cause it’s, that’s great. I’ve heard so many problems with people who get a HD Diesel ’cause they like Diesel and they use it like a half ton gas truck and they drive five miles to work and they don’t tow anything. Or I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 8s):

Talk to, it

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 9s):

Causes a lot of problems. What they say two

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 10s):

Or two or three guys a week who do that, who they, they’ll tow a boat from a yard to their house and it’s like five miles or they go to have

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 21s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 21s):

A year. I’m in region all the time. My truck sucks. I’m like, no bro, you you need to drive your truck

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 27s):

For a drive up a hill with, in a lower gear. Throw something for half

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 31s):

An hour.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 31s):

Yeah. That’s why I always tell people, like, I’ve had friends who’ve called me this, there’s something wrong with my truck. And I’m like, tell me the situation. And it’s just like, okay, go drive it for 30 minutes down the freeway. What? I’m like, yeah, that’s, that’s what it takes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 44s):

I tell people, sorry sir, but you’ve bought a Caterpillar backhoe to dig a flower bed.

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 51s):

There you go. Just

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 52s):

Too much struck for

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 53s):

You. Well, and also I hearing Kyle’s take on the CP four and lubrication additives to, to, you know, assist with the longevity of that was good. that wasn nice to hear another point of view. ’cause I think there’s a lot of people in the industry saying a lot of different things and that was his point of view. One of the other

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 9s):

Things that people have said to me and which is not something that, that Kyle pointed out is that the lift pump, if the lift pump sends air down the line, you get the pump in the tank. Right? Yeah. If it sends any air down the line, air is not a lubricant. Yeah, of course. And so the CP four relies on the lubricant in the Diesel to, again, it’s as a lubricant. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 35s):

So the fact that he was talking about how

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 36s):

Air air’s not a lubricant,

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 37s):

Well the fact that he was talking about even after the, you know, the lubricant is gone, it still sticks and there’s still some after effects. So you’d have to think that that would help in those situations where a, a pump sends something dry up or, or whatever. So yeah. Anyway, I think that wasn a great conversation. I I love those kind of deeper dives on stuff like that. And I dunno, what do you say? We get into some news.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 58s):


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What’s new in trucks?

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We need to know

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What’s new in trucks.

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We need to know

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What’s new in trucks.

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We need to know

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Lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 15s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 16s):

All, right. that wasn

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 17s):

Good. Yeah, that was good

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 18s):

Lighting. Did you hear

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I don’t watch the news because I’m a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 22s):

Kid. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 24s):

RV sales.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 28s):

That’s funny that you say that. So what’s weird is that last night, I’m talking to Colin, who is Gale’s son. Anyway, we’re standing in the parking lot and he’s going on about like, I think it’s time for me to get an RV ’cause we’re working on something that I can’t really talk about ’cause it’s under in Fargo. And he says it’s a great time. And I said, yes, it’s a great time. I’ve been on all over Facebook marketplace, all the RVs, whether the Diesel pushers or the Ford Gas v eights on the F 53, Jesse all

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 55s):

For sale.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 55s):

They’re all for sale and they’re all going cheap. It’s nuts

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 59s):

Because last year the RV industry had like massive sales and completely fell on its face this year. And I think part of it’s inflation, I think part of it’s gas prices. And I think part of it, you know, I think they’re probably caught up on supply chain, but it’s bad. So the RV Industry Association, which is known as R V I A, they, you know, publish the numbers and things like that. So across the board, travel trailers have suffered the worst out of all of them, down 53.9% this year. So that’s towable and large fifth Wheel campers. But they also break out fifth wheelers separately, 50.9% in just that group trailers with folding segments are down 31% and truck campers and including in the trailer group down 33.8%.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 52s):

So to kind of give you some context of what that’s, you know, that’s like at this time last year they sold 228,740 RVs through this year, 105,000 9 75. Ouch.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 8s):

Oof. Ouch. Janelle, I think all C O I D created demand that was insanely unrealistic. So yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 16s):

But then how does that explain last year?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 18s):

So I think people were still, well what they were doing is they were building to fill orders that were placed during covid. Maybe.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 25s):

Maybe. So it says when it comes to motor homes, class A, B and C were down 17%. But the big boys, the big class a’s were 34.1% and the Class B Van RVs were down 29%. 5,500 Class A rigs were sold through June versus 8,340 last year. And the Class BS had more buyers at 67 58. But that’s down from 9,526. So anyway, here’s the interesting thing though. You get to the Class C motor homes and those are the van base vehicles, but they’re are those up, they’re up a small percent, 2.9% to be exact. So they’re the most popular ones in motor home dumb.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 8s):

They had 13,235 sales this year versus 12,863 last year at this time. So R V I A doesn’t say what the reason for the decline is, but they actually believe that consumer confidence is going to increase in the second half of the year and sales will rebound. That’s a, that’s a long way to rebound. I don’t know if they’ll see the, you know, last year’s numbers RV’s interesting. I I I mean in my automotive career. I think RVs have peaked three or four times and crashed three or four times. So it’s, it’s, it’s interesting. Anyway, lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 42s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 44s):

Apparently Tesla is now trolling Ford, which is a little bit hilarious.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 48s):

You mean no Tesla or Elon? ’cause Elon didn’t he have a comment after the Ford F one 50? They lowered their price or raised their price or something? He had something to say about it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 59s):

Look up at the screen. It’s Tesla has a wrap on a Cybertruck that mimics a F one 50. So it’s basically a photo of an F one 50 overlaid on a Cybertruck. Oh, weird. That looks,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 11s):

Oh that is funny. You gotta listen

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 14s):

It, it looks real though. It’s, look at how freaking nuts that is. It completely, completely hides the Cybertruck lines except for the funky roof.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 22s):

It is so funny that I, some of us, like Tess, like Elon Musk, I don’t know if Elon’s behind this of course, but some of us like him more and more while a lot more people dislike him more and more, right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 35s):

Yeah. I mean, listen, I, I’ve met the guy and he’s, he’s the real deal man. That dude thinks in three D when you’re with him. It’s crazy. You’re like, yeah, this guy’s about 400,000 times smarter than me. Anyway, I just thought this Cybertruck prototype that has a full like photorealistic F one 50 rep on it’s hilarious All right lighting. Did you hear? How about

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 9m 57s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 57s):

Nope. So continue on with the Cybertruck. Apparently 1.9 million orders. And if all of those were to come through a five year wait time,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 8s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 9s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 9s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 11s):

So anyway, that was from a,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 12s):

Wow, where am I? hold on. The paper is

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 14s):

Still, that was from a crowdsource data tracker.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 17s):

So my number is, oh God, I can’t even make RN 1 1 2

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 22s):

Means nothing. Eight two. Anyway, Elon Musk said on a earnings call earlier in the week that the demand for Cybertruck is quote unquote, so off the hook you can’t even see the hook. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 34s):

I like him,

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 35s):

They, they plan to produce 375,000 Cybertruck a year at peak capacity. So I don’t, we’ll see if that, if that holds or not. That seems like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 44s):

A lot. Did you just say 300,000,

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 45s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 10m 46s):

That’s nuts. Yeah, because just, just to put that in perspective, there are roughly 80,000 duramax trucks made per year. Right. So I guess that’s, that’s just an engine, but Right. Just to give you some perspective there. I

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 59s):

I, again, it, it’ll be interesting. Now keep in mind the price hasn’t been announced. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 2s):

To put that in perspective, like didn’t Toyota release over 200 somewhere in the low two hundreds? No 200,000. Something like tacos last

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 10s):

Year. Like that’s why I think that 3 75 is ambitious for a unproven product that isn’t at its peak that doesn’t have pricing yet. Yeah. And I think a lot of people like you put money down to say that they were a reservation holder and that wasn good for conversation at a bar.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 24s):

That’s, that wasn worth a hundred bucks for a conversation.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 26s):

Yeah, I I mean, do you ever get that money back? Is it refundable? Yeah, I,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 29s):

I I think so. Hmm. I’ve already more than made my money on it. Just us talking about on the show.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 35s):

No, they’ve made their money off of it. You haven’t made anything

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 38s):

Not true. I made no interest. No.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 40s):

Anyway, lighting. Did you hear what?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 11m 44s):

No, nope.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 45s):

All. right. So pricing has finally come out for the 2024 Chevy Silverado, H D Z R two and the equivalent Sierra HD A T four X. Would you carry to think what the starting price of the heavy duty Chevy Z R two is?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 0s):

I’m going to say that truck is gonna start at 90. Yeah, 91. And

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 11s):

What is the Sierra hd? A T four X going to start at the G M C equivalent of that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 17s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 19s):

Then you’re gonna be super happy because the Silverado HD Z two starts at 71 4 95. Whoa. The Sierra HD a T four X version is 83 695.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 29s):

Okay. Much lower than I expected.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 31s):

Like I said, you’re, you’re gonna be happy. So anyway, those were for the trucks with the 6.6 liter gas engine, which you can get on those. You’re gonna pay about 9,500 bucks more if you jump into durmax. Hmm.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 12m 44s):

Maybe that’s where I was thinking the diesels we’re gonna, we’re gonna start up a segment here at some point where we check in with you guys and get your review of your trucks. And one of my buddies, Donnie Aler, who owns F M F Flying Machine Factory, they make exhaust pipes for dirt bikes. Just bought a G M C Denali Ultimate. And he, it’s his first Diesel ever.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 5s):

Well, we’re gonna have,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 6s):

I wanna get a, I wanna get a, a perspective of a guy who owns a Diesel Well and it’s his first one, but

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 10s):

Hold on. So we also have Rich from Hollister bought that with F four 50 Diesel and then also my buddy Mark, I really wanna get him in here. He has a F two 50 Super Duty seven three gas truck that he tows up to 18,000 pounds with around town. ’cause he does construction and he had like, and you know, he’s, he’s weighing it all the time to go dump it at the dump and stuff like that. And he’s here for transmission problem. So Oh really I want get him in here and talk about his experience with the truck. ’cause he tows way more than you should with that rock.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 41s):

And we have a listener in New Mexico with a Nissan that we need to talk about.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 45s):

So anyway, so that’s one of the things we’re working on is is truck reviews from you. So we’re gonna get get those

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 51s):

Together a minute. I think you just came up with the title. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 53s):

Truck reviews from you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 54s):

Let me write that down. Or truck

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 55s):

You reviews.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 13m 56s):

No truck reviews from you. Truck

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 0s):

Reviews from you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 3s):

Let’s see if it works. You ready? Yeah.

12 (1h 14m 5s):

Review from

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 7s):


12 (1h 14m 11s):

But it’s not rolling. Cold

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 12s):

Dragon Truck does. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 13s):

It’s it’s truck review from you what

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 20s):

You like or

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 21s):

What you would change.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 22s):

No, no, no. It’s ride.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 24s):

It would be, it would be

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 26s):

Try again. Here we go. Yeah.

12 (1h 14m 28s):

Truck review

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 29s):

From you.

12 (1h 14m 31s):

What the hell did you buy that, that truck

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 33s):

For? No, no you don’t cram. So fuck I got I in there. Do it, do it again.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 37s):

Do it again. You All right? Yeah.

12 (1h 14m 39s):

Truck review broke you. Would you buy that truck again? No. Yeah. Would you buy that truck again?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 47s):

No, but that doesn’t sound good. It sounds great. No. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 50s):

Truck review.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 51s):

Yeah. From you Tell us why

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 54s):

You’d buy that truck again or

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 14m 56s):

Wouldn’t No All right? Well you’re not a songwriter All, right? We we

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 1s):

I’m actually a writer. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 2s):

Writer. You’re not a songwriter. I can do it. No you can’t. You just, were

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 5s):

Doing it on the air All. right? This is in the middle of a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 7s):

Segment Then now, now you’re off to the star. I’m willing to bastardize that Jingle for, for the sake of this new segment.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 14s):

All. right. Well then we’ll we’ll see, we’ll see All. right. Maybe our listeners structural have a a, a better idea. But I we will basically it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 22s):

Real world

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 23s):

Truck reviews from you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 25s):

Sing it, sing it to us.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 27s):

No, that’s horrible. Don’t do that Don.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 28s):

No, I’m saying what would you like us to No

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 31s):

Anyway, don’t worry about come up with J at some point some stuff will happen.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 34s):

Yeah we get we we get paid the big bucks buddy. Shut up. Up. Have you heard jingles? No. No.

Sean P. Holman (1h 15m 38s):

So apparently according to our friends over at T F L truck, the 2025 Ram 1500 with spied and I guess from one of their, their readers and they got some pretty interesting photos. One of the photos was the hood up and as we have said, basically should confirm that the hurricane straight sixes coming to the ramp. Do you have

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 2s):

A photo? Can I see it?

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 4s):

It’s on the screen. See there’s the engine up and that’s the hurricane Stroud on it sure

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 16m 11s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 12s):

So they mentioned that the shots, they’re taken from afar so there’s no interior shots but it pretty much, you kinda know what’s gonna look like because RAM tees the 1500 rev interior. So anyway, it’ll be interesting but I, I think this the, you know, we’ve known for a while that the RAM engine lineup was gonna change that wasn, the three six pen drive V six or the five seven Hemi and the half ton, the V six was 305 horsepower. Well the HEMI was 3 95 then you could also get e torque with that. But the new hurricane should be lots and lots of power. The sixth cylinder is 420 horsepower in its standard trim.

Sean P. Holman (1h 16m 52s):

So that already is, is more than the hemi, the high output model, which is the one that I drove in the Grand Wagoner on Route 66 last summer. That’s 510 horse and 500 pound feet of torque. And I’ll tell you that thing other than sounding like nothing because it’s quiet. Right. Which is a little bit sad. It’s great in a grand wagoner might not be great in a truck. That thing is freaking phenomenal in terms of torque and drivability and I think it’s gonna be a great truck engine. Any

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 17s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 18s):

Not, no, because it, that truck I believe there, it’s a twin turbo but it’s not a sequential. There’s one turbo that’s small for each three cylinders. So they treat it as like turbos for each bank. Gotcha. So they spool up really fast. So.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 31s):

Gotcha. Smart.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 31s):

Okay. I I, I like that a lot. Our experience in the Grand Wagoner was great and I, you know, other than missing the V eight, which is gonna suck in terms of horsepower, acceleration, drivability and a fat, fat torque curve. I think you know Gonder man and I did, I think we did the quarter at 1 0 1 in like 12 9 9 or something like that. Respectable. Yeah. But that wasn with like 500 pounds of ammo and fireworks and our luggage in the back firework on a 95 degree day. And we were able to that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 1s):

Tell me you set the fireworks off as you’re doing the quarter mile.

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 5s):

We were in Oklahoma so that wasn legal there. Okay. All,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 8s):

Right. Good bet that

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 9s):

Hey lighting, did you hear? No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 11s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 12s):

According to sources, the 24 G M C Canyon, which is the second model year for the, the third generation truck and probably one of the best looking trucks on the market period. I really like it. They’re expanding the availability of the bigger 11 inch driver information center. So if you are going to order a 2024, you might wanna wait because now they’re gonna offer it on the a T four package. Where for 2023, the G M C canyon elevation and a T four we’re equipped with the eight inch screen and that 11 inch inch screen makes a lot of difference and it’s, it’s really nice. So, so if you’re looking for the canon, it might be worth it if you like technology to, to wait a year. There’s gonna be a couple other tweaks we hear about but nothing definitive yet.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 55s):

Hey Holman, have you heard?

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 57s):

Probably not. Okay.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 58s):

Well the, there’s a group of archeologists that have teamed up with Ford and they’ve got themselves a Ford Ranger Platinum Edition and they’re embarking on a well an odd mission. They’re in search of human remains that are said to be a million years old. The very first humans to inhabit Europe. And in this Ford they’re headed out to an archeological site called Sierra de Puca, which is located near Virgos in northern Spain. Are you

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 29s):

Just making up,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 29s):

These are real words that I’m reading into. Are you sure? No, I’m pretty sure these are real I guess. Each year a number of archeological experts from around the world converge on this area and they do excavations in various places and they’re looking for these remains and they’re hoping to find a 1 million year old skeleton or whatever’s left of some old dude quote. The deposits of the Sierra Dale Puca are in the foothills of the Sierra dela de, I dunno how to say this. So a four by four vehicle with its unique characteristics of the Ford Ranger is essential to be able to help us excavate said Patricia Martinez who handles communications for the at Theca Foundation.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 11s):

So anyway, Ford is out there trying to help people find million old people. Yeah, really, really, really old people. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 18s):

This is fascinating. Lighting. Hey lighting. Did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 22s):

No, no.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 24s):

So if you remember we’ve had Jim Soy from the Friends of Oceano Dunes on the podcast before to talk about Pismo Beach, which was the last place in California where you could actually drive a vehicle on the beach. Something that was allowed for a long time all over the state. And that wasn the last bastion and freaking California Coastal Commission. What a bunch of freaking a-holes and yeah I said it. They have been trying to remove motorized recreation from the beach for decades. And friends of Oceano dunes have been fighting the good fight. There’s another lawsuit that was also filed with CMA in ecologic to protect motor motorized recreation. So yes, the California Coastal Commission had voted to close Oceano Dune state vehicular recreation area, which is an amazing spot.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 10s):

Something that’s been loved by people from, from all over. No, they should be booed freaking California Coastal Commission has, they think they have all the power in the world. It is a, a bogus organization that hates fun. I have

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 25s):

Battled with them.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 27s):

It is fun sponges

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 28s):

Like legitimately my clothing store, we weren’t able to put a sign on the back of our building which faced the main boulevard because it faced the ocean and that wasn within like an eighth mile and they don’t allow signs to face the ocean because

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 42s):

You might wake up the sea lions or something.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 21m 44s):

Nautical reason or something that wasn So ridiculous. Yeah. And that wasn super detrimental to starting a new business because that wasn the main dragon. No one could see where our store was that wasn just that wasn. Just awe. Anyway, the whole thing

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 57s):

It got too much power. Yeah. If you google them and just put, I hate the coastal commission that’ll come up with all sorts of stuff. Why you should also hate them. Anyway, long story short, check this out From the press release from Oceania Dunes, huge victory for O H V recreation. The San Luis Obispo County Superior Court ruled that the California Coastal Commission does not have the authority under state law to ban all O H V at Oceana Dunes. So the court ruling covered four lawsuits. Three that were brought by friends of Oceana Dunes and the one from Ecologic Partners, which I think was also in conjunction with cma.

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 39s):

The court made clear that if the Coastal Commission wants to attempt to ban O H V recreation of the park, it has to convince the San Luis Obispo County to amend its local coastal plan or compel the state legislature to change the county’s local coastal plan. And the friends argued that the local coastal plan only authorized the county, not the coastal commission to close the park. And even then the closure may only be temporary. The court agreed with that analysis and agreed that the commission’s effort to ban O H V unlawfully attempted to amend the county’s plan in violation of the Coastal Act. And the court also ruled in favor of friends’ argument that that the commission failed to comply with the California Environmental Quality Act because it failed to do a proper traffic impact analysis when it decided to close Pier Avenue as a vehicle access point to the beach.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 22s):

As a result, the court overturned the Coastal Commission’s March, 2021 amendment to the permit that attempted to end all O H V at Oceano Dunes. So the ban will not go into effect in Pier Avenue Beach access will not be closed. This victory protects jobs and local businesses. And a study show that Oceano dunes visitors from outside San Luis Obispo County generated a total e economic impact in 2019 of $500 million.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 52s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 52s):

So if you wanna be a part of an organization that’s fighting for your acts, whether you’re in California or not, ’cause remember the, it’s spreading to you. You think you’re insulated ’cause every, all the crazy stuff happens here, but we’re like the test ground for it and it’s coming your way. So if you wanna support these guys or you wanna read more about the lawsuit or what happened, go to oceano They are a 5 0 1 c three charity Friends is a grassroots volunteer organization, represents about 28,000 members and users of Oceano Dunes, S V R A. So anyway that’s, that’s huge. The fact that we had them on the podcast a couple years ago, probably now and they won and they won and would spring up to speed. So yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 29s):

Just why can’t we be like Daytona Beach where you can just do whatever you want on the sand You. know what I’m saying?

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 36s):

Because we are where

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 37s):

We are. Yeah, we’re California. Hey Holman. What time is it?

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 44s):

Email time

3 (1h 24m 46s):

You email? Yeah, I email Do it We email. That’s right everybody email type it up. You email proofread. I email send it. We email, click it every email.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 11s):

So Holman is across the table from me and he is doling out the email which he has gone through in advance. Picking out ones that hopefully will blast me as he is good at doing. The first one is from Ray, also known as RB Amsoil. Quick question is the subject line Lightning, I just watched the Amsoil video part one with Gale Banks where he toured the production facility. Great video. Very interesting and satisfying to watch. Can you explain why some of the labels product awards and advertisements show AMS oil with a Z And now all I see is AMS oil with an SS that seems an unusual event to change one letter in a product name.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 51s):

Gotta be a good story behind that. Thanks Ray. Well it is as a matter of fact. So it started as Zo, so Al Amio with a Z, that’s why he called it Zo ’cause his name was Amio. But then, well

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 5s):

Originally that wasn AM oil when he was doing it for military engines

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 9s):

That wasn am oil that

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 10s):

Wasn am oil. Yes. In 1970. And then people started calling it AM’s oil like am apostate like it own. Right because

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 17s):

That wasn amus. So then in

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 18s):

71 he changed it to AMS oil with the Z for his name.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 21s):

That’s correct. And then guess what Pennzoil said, ah, ah

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 25s):

Can’t have a Z,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 26s):

You can’t have a Z. So rather than fight the the behemoth that is Pennzoil, he changed it to an Ss. There you go. So there’s your answer.

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 36s):

I got this one from Sammy. Max says, when will the all new in quote 2024 Wrangler Circle jerk end. Who is a good one gentlemen, we’re all adults here. Can we just shoot straight with each other? First full disclosure, I’ve daily driven a 20 15 2 door Wrangler Willy since new and I love it. That said, I’m getting sick and tired. Wait

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 52s):

A minute. Stop, stop, stop. This is at Wrangler

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 55s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 26m 56s):

Enthusiast bashing us for being Homers. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 58s):

No not bashing us. Just saying in general that said, I’m getting sick and tired of folks in the media forums talking about the 24 Jeep Wrangler. Like it’s some kind of vastly improved vehicle and that everyone of our Jeep should get a big pat on the back. Yes, they made incremental improvements in some areas. Congratulations.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 27m 14s):

I like how you interpret how we this.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 15s):

That’s basically how it looks when he writes it. Okay. But speaking for myself, they lost a lot of goodwill when they released the 3 92 after telling us for a decade that they just gosh darn couldn’t get a VA to fit no matter how hard their best engineers tried. Ever since then it’s become increasingly clear that don’t forget to ask your doctor about Solanis is being propped up by squeezing every scent they can from Jeep and Ram in the community. It’s sad and pathetic. I feel bad for our friend Jim who’s no doubt caught in the middle. Here are some unfiltered stream of conscious reactions I’ve had to some things I’ve heard. Okay, first of all, there’s no goodwill lost for the 3 92 at all. And when Tim Kki was the Hellcat everything guy, he was that Jeep for a year or or a little longer that wasn his pet project to make it fit.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 56s):

We knew it fit ’cause AV put ’em in Jeeps and along with a bunch of other companies,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 1s):

America’s Most Wanted, right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 2s):

America’s most Wanted and and Tom’s four by four superstore and I there’s a bunch of Dakota Customs I think was another one. Burnsville. Anyway, so we knew it fits. So the issue was, is it gonna fit and, and everything worked to OE standards for cooling and crash and all that. So long story short, meniscus came in, he made his pet project that wasn called the J nine that became the 3 9 2. I don’t think anybody’s mad about the 3 9 2 coming out. So I don’t go that this whole thing goes on to say new grill because winch I call bullshit. That seems aggressive.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 28m 35s):

I said new grill because winch, right?

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 37s):

If it were a special grill to delineate the factory equipped winch option, then cool. But no they changed the grill in the entire lineup because a winch might be optioned on a high trim level, gimme a break. Why can’t they just say it looks better? I actually think it looks great. It’s more sophisticated and generally fits the overall vehicle design in a way the old girl didn’t. Okay, well I will call bullshit right back at you. The way these things work is yes, if you look at a AV package, so like the 20th anniversary level two, it has, it’s the only 23 that has the new grill on it. And if you know like on my AAV build the witch, the back of a zon touches the bottom of the grill. When you look at the 20th anniversary edition, the grill is actually an inch and a half or so taller and it clears the back of the winch.

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 23s):

Now you have to understand they’re not gonna make 20 different grills for vehicles that have winch, don’t have winch this that they change the colors and, and maybe the the inserts and stuff but the grill’s the same. So they’re not gonna make that mold charge would be astronomical. Yeah. So the fact is that the new grill has more airflow, so better for 3 92 and things like that. It has more clearance for the winch. And you have to remember now the winch isn’t just a Mopar dealer accessory add-on the winch is now something you can order from the factory. So they have to have a grill that clears that. So it’s gonna go on all the trims even though only a portion of them might be optioned for the winch. So to your point, yeah there’s people who are 50 50 something. It looks better. I like it. I actually kind of thought well maybe it might be cool to put that winch on or that grill on mine.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 6s):

Oh you you wanna retrofit it? Well the reason is, and it’s a direct swap so there’s nothing different. You slide it right in. The reason is it has more airflow. So you know, 3 92 me go in the desert. I think there’s a functional improvement with it as well. And yeah anyway, so he continues new interior technology. Wow you slapped a big ugly tablet on the desk. So cool. Yeah, don’t bother changing anything else on the center console. No one will think the display sticks out like an aftermarket bolt-on. Add more ox switches to compete with Bronco. Make the front locker individually selectable. Why bother I guess. Okay, sure. Whatever. I think the interior looks great. They actually gave you a really amazing screen and I knew this was coming when I bought my 23 and the changes to your point weren’t enough for me to wanna wait for 24 but I drove the 20 fours and there are a lot of really nice improvements including that big screen that has a lot of great features.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 53s):

More auxiliary switches. That is my, one of my number, you know Well let’s call it my top five things that I’ve told Jeep that I’d like to see is I think four’s not enough. So to your point I agree. Make the front locker individually selectable. Mm That that gets into lowest common denominator use cases and warranty and things like that. ’cause there’s a time to use it. Time not there’s education that has to go with it. People can blow up the front locker and then now they have a big warranty cost so they gotta think of all that kinda stuff. New huge towing capacity. Literally in quotes with the exclamation. So I’m not that using it. He’s still going. There’s a lot of vitriol in this email. Oh a lot. Wow. Thanks for looking out for the little guy. I might wanna tow more with his Wrangler sport. Oh wait, it’s only available in the Rubicon which has an M Ss r p what now? No. Okay. Anyway. Two liter and three six only get up the full float and it’s 5,000 from 3503 9 2 still 3,500 pounds, whatever new safety and quiet refinements.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 42s):

New power seats, new wheels new, more expensive to replace windshield with integrated antenna. This literally should have just been done without telling anyone about it. This is like wanting credit for spelling your name correctly on an exam. They should have just simply let the Jeep community uncover these new features for themselves to keep up appearances that Jeep is a humble and understate brand that rewards the loyal. Instead they patronize us like pro par idiots.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 0s):

Wait, wait, hold on a second. That’s kind of funny. Their job is to sell vehicles. Do you understand

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 5s):

This is a multi global corporation that has like that marketing is so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 13s):

You want them to just roll things out without telling anyone. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 16s):

Everything’s an Easter egg. Sorry. It doesn’t work that way in corporate world. There there’s, listen this

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 20s):

Jeep is not a hobby project for

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 22s):

Somebody. Exactly. There there’s something that is what you think or what you feel or what you nostalgia if that’s the word of what something is.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 30s):

Sure. Nostalgic

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 31s):

Whatever. And then there is the reality of what it’s actually like to build a vehicle. Yeah. Listen I’ve said it before in the podcast. If somebody came to you and said let’s build a convertible vehicle that the doors come off, it can crawl at one mile an hour over things without scraping and the drive 70 miles down the freeway with adaptive cruise control and you know Android Auto and CarPlay playing on your stereo and it passes all the crash things and it the windshield folds down and has a winch. He’d be like, no that’s stupid. Nobody’s gonna make that thing yet except for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 32m 58s):

For Bronco.

Sean P. Holman (1h 32m 58s):

We have Bronco in Wrangler. No I mean windshield doesn’t fall down. The Bronco are stupid. Good point. But anyway, but the point being is like if you looked at all the things a wrangler is what it takes to build that vehicle and get it to go through all the crash and federal standards and all the things like just freaking be happy anyway, he says the thing is all the above would’ve been quickly forgiven had they done something truly exciting like release the new in line six hurricane engine. But no, we will continue to be strung along. I swear to God if the hurricane becomes a performance model only option or they try to claim that wasn too big of a failing ranger wrangler, I’m done. Well here’s the deal, it doesn’t fit. You have to extend the nose like four inches and it throws everything off. So I wouldn’t expect the the straight six to make it to Wrangler.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 41s):

Right? Not not in the jail platform.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 33m 43s):

You might as well just put a cummin six b t in there while you’re at it. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 46s):

It’s just, it it, it doesn’t fit. Sorry. A V eight fits in the in the space. A straight six is is long and you might not wanna hear that but when I had talked to a friend within the empire, I said, so when’s the hurricane coming? He goes, it’s in there now it’s just for a four cylinder hurricane. And I went, okay, touche. Anyway, Sammy Max says thanks for listening head to vent these thoughts somewhere. I appreciate having a safe space for my ramblings. Keep up the great work. So All right well oh wait,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 14s):

He complimented us at the end. Nice. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 34m 17s):

No I appreciate that. So Samuel McCutchen goes by Sammy Mack on his, on his email. Dude just, you know, hopefully we explained it and it makes sense but the automotive world is not all rainbows and unicorns. There is a corporate essence to it that you know has to happen.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 34m 33s):

So yeah, maybe don’t drink so much haterade next time. This one’s from Nicholas Ano. Hey guys, I know Lightning is dying for a black license plate so I thought I’d share something cool. We have in Wisconsin, we have collaborations with the Milwaukee Bucks, Milwaukee Brewers, Harley Davidson, and now Road America for Cool License Plate options. Road America is a legendary four mile road course that is arguably one of if not the best tracks in America. It combines 14 unique turns and multiple elevation changes to challenge even the best drivers. If you ever find yourself in Wisconsin, you should check it out Anyway, I obviously love the track and jumped at the opportunity to show my support. Plus a black plate on a white vehicle just looks good.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 14s):

Also, I sent the email below so you can read it on the podcast, but I never received any stickers. What gives Lightning keep up the great work. Yeah buddy And five stars.

15 (1h 35m 26s):

Yeah buddy. Five star review five stars.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 35m 31s):

Thank you for that. Nick

Sean P. Holman (1h 35m 33s):

All right? Got one here from Brian who emails us from time to time. Lightning Holman with the recent release of the G M H D Offroad twins Chevy Silverado, HD Z two and G M C CR HD A T four X. I’m interested to hear your thoughts on your favorite HD Offroad Trek from the big three. Please rank the following. Most favorite to least favorite. Here’s the caveat though. No Diesel engines gas vates only. The unfortunate reality is I’m a firm believer that Diesel Inappropriateness exists. So here we go. Please rank and order. Most favorite to least favorite Ford superD tremor with the seven three gods V eight Ram 2,500 Rebel with the six four Hemi or Chevy HD Z R two G M C HD A T four X. I’m stuck because I wish I could take the seven three V eight and 10 speed transit on the Super Duty combined with the exterior and interior styling of the ram and throw it on the Multimatic D S S V shocks from the GM trucks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 19s):

Keep up the great work continued success with T S P in the pod shed and congratulations on now having your own independent program. Five stars.

16 (1h 36m 27s):

Congratulations. You have earned five stars,

Sean P. Holman (1h 36m 30s):

Brian from PA and he says soon to be trading by 2017 Nissan Titan XD with 195,000 miles for one of the HD trucks mentioned above. So it looks like he needs a little bit more truck than his XD but he got good life outta it. Brian, I’d actually love for you to email us back because we are working on our review of regular listeners who drive trucks. I’d love to hear what your 195,000 miles with your Nissan XD was all about. But so

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 36m 57s):

He’s talking about the 4 7 3, the RAM six four and the GM six six. He

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 1s):

Said it exactly in the order that I would do it. The 4 7 3 tremor is phenomenal. I think that’s the best looking truck. I think it rides great. There’s a lot of stuff you get with it, 30 fives, all that kinda good stuff. I would get that truck and I would change the shocks ’cause it’s got a big bore twin tube on it. I would go to Bill Stein, I’d change the shocks on the truck and I wouldn’t change another thing. I’d go enjoy it ’cause you can get the factory wind option on it and you get the locker on it and the interior styling’s nice. It’s pretty understated on the outside. It’s got I think the black wheels and the blacked out grill, which looks nice. That truck on there blue or that metallic red color is phenomenal. So that’s my favorite. That seven three gas is just a beast.

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 42s):

I really enjoy that engine a lot. The ran 2,500 Rebel I struggle with a little bit. I love the RAM interior, I love the RAM platform in general. The thing I don’t like about the rebel, and keep in mind I drove a rebel HD Diesel and so that may change this, but it rode like ass and it had 20 inch wheels and 80 P S I and it just beat the crap out of you on the trails. I would like to see them and they have talked about it. Doing a 18 inch Wheel option on that I think would make it a a gazillion times better. And I think with the six four Hemi, it also rides a lot better. Not all that weight and spring right under the front, but either case would still be my second place. And then lastly, wait, wait,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 22s):

Wait. I’m gonna interrupt you here. Here’s a weird thing with a RAM six four really popular with pedal monsters.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 30s):

Okay? So, and there,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 32s):

So people are ordering pedal monsters, throttle controllers to fix something on the six four and they’re not really trying to fix the same issue with a seven three.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 41s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 41s):

So it’s laggy is what I’m saying, which is

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 43s):

Weird. Well it’s not, it’s not laggy, it doesn’t have a turbo. These are all naturally aspirated gas engines.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 38m 46s):

No, that’s no dude what I’m telling you. No, there’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 48s):

Pedal latency and then the last one’s the Chevy HD zero two G M C HD A T four X. Here’s where I’m at on that one. I haven’t driven the HD Z R two or a T four X yet, but I hate the six six. I think it’s a dog of an engine and I’m not impressed by it. Although I really like the truck. I love the Multimatic, I love the new interior and it’s a really nice truck. But I kind of feel like, and I, again, I haven’t driven it yet, I hope the D SSVs make all the difference. That truck I have driven a six six gas heavy duty non D S S V truck and I thought it rode awful. I thought for I F S it rode worse than the solid axle trucks and it just wasn’t impressive.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 28s):

So until I drive that, I will say this is my order, but I reserve the opportunity to change that at any time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 36s):

Frontier spotting from Richard Keegan finally got one from the cab of my truck and it’s not the company truck. Keep up the great work and five stars and it is a photograph of a frontier. So Richard, I’m gonna be sending you some Trunk show podcast stickers that’s, thank you for shooting the, the frontier that’s still going By the way I sent another batch late last week. So there’s some more stickers going out. If you see a Nissan Frontier out of side windows windshield, shoot it. Send it to us Lightning at truck show Home at The Truck Show Podcast dot com or truck show Whatever you please send it to us and I’ll send you some stickers. Our

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 15s):

Buddy Lars sends this one. He says, Hey guys, I’m behind a few episodes ’cause of some summer holidays, but I just noticed two podcasts from June 18th. What happened there? So he sends us to the screenshot and it has basically episode 25 and episode 24, both show June 18th. So there was some hiccup in our hosting service and for some reason it had an incorrect launch date on it. And the stats on that one are messed up. And so there’s, it’s just some weird backend deal and that’s why. But I guarantee you they both came out on a regular Monday because I put ’em up.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 49s):

Another one, frontier spotting from Zack Morehouse. My neighbor purchased a Frontier Ssv recently, which goes along with my 2021 Titan formally driving a 2017 Titan xd. And there it is, another Titan. So Zach stickers to you, my friend

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 7s):

All, right? I got this question from Dave Inwood and he says, Hey guys, I got hooked on your podcast about three years ago and since then I blew backwards through all your episodes until I ran out. Now I have to wait till Monday. Probably like a lot of your listeners keep up the great work. So here’s my deal. I have a 2004 Tahoe that I upgraded with Wheels Tires Leveling Kit and Bill Stein 51 hundreds, a 2004 stock height Silverado 2,500 HD six liter four Wheel Drive with 5,100 Stow Rig 2004 two Wheel Drive, Dodge Ram 5.7 S L T Standard Cab with a MAOIs two four lowering kit with the 4,600 series Bill Steins. I’m only letting you know about my other vehicles ’cause I am abil Stein believer and have upgraded from other aftermarket shocks to the Bil Steins. When you can make a purchase for your rig and notice substantial improvements, it’s always an awesome feeling.

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 50s):

So anyway, to my question, I’m rebuilding the suspension on my 2005 Silverado two Wheel Drive Standard Cab five three and installing the Bell Tech two three kit. That’s the part 6 53, the one without the shocks, I’m hoping, how do I determine which shocks I need for this application? Basically just a two inch drop spindle with the Stock Springs and a Arms, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your podcast guys. He says PSS Lighting Eye is a big car stereo guy from Portland, Oregon starting in the early eighties as a box boy at age 14. Guy installing at age 16 until the nineties and they going to work for Phoenix Gold. It’s great to hear some of the names of folks from that era. And he says

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 26s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 27s):

Gold. Yeah you guys,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 42m 27s):

That’s that was a great name. that wasn good cables, good connectors, all of it. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 31s):

Alright, so here’s the deal. I did a little research for you and we reached out to, to our friends over at Bill Stein and they were more than happy to help out. So apparently they have everything you need. So from Bill Stein, they gave the part number 24 0 2 9 0 2 5 is a stock shock. It’s a, the rear is a cross-reference to match the yellow color. It’s from an FJ 40 but will work great. That’s the 24 0 0 2 5 85. He said the rear will need bushing and sleeves replaced ’cause I think it’s a t or a crossbar on the top of the shock.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 11s):

And so they actually sell those bar all push vulcanized rubber ready to be pushed in your shock. Really, you can get four pieces, you’ll need four pieces of each E four dash B four, six dash 6 0 1 R one, and a 22 O two G. So you,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 21s):

I can just imagine trying to pause and rewind this shit. Yeah, yeah. Over and over again.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 25s):

He’s, well I’m doing this for him and not everybody wants to anyway. Or you could just email me and I’ll, and I’ll send you the stuff. But the, the point is,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 31s):

It’s all Holman at truck show Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 33s):

So the point is that they’ve got the, the part numbers that will work on that kit and that truck, it may not show up that way in their application guide, but the valving and all that stuff’s close enough and they’ve got the parts to change from a to I to a a bar. So. Awesome. Anyway, you’ve got, you got options, Dave,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 49s):

This one from Josh Cullen. Love the show guys. Saw this awesome Nissan hardbody truck with a sunroom porch, mezzanine level on the back. Probably not factory equipped. What is this Josh? Thank you for this photo.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 7s):

Dude, that’s cool. Somebody built a complete structure on the back of their frontier

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 11s):

It looks like if you’re gonna build a tree house. A tree house, that’s exactly right. A tree house in your Nissan hard body. That’s, that’s awesome.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 20s):

All right? I got one last one here from Nicholas Ano and he says hello Liberace and Houdini.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 26s):

Oh, sadly, I get that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 27s):

I get that too. Yeah. I listened to the podcast on my commute to and from work and y’all keep me very entertained today. As luck would have it, you were talking about the frontier pick challenge at the exact same time I was passing a truck full of them as I was crossing the Illinois border back into Wisconsin. that wasn like that wasn meant to be. I’m an avid Diesel enthusiast, which is how I found your show. So I love guests like Gail and Corey. I’m on my fourth duramax now currently driving a 22 G M C Sierra Denali 3,500. It is my daily driver and it’s also used to tow our fifth Wheel. How’s that towing episode coming along?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 58s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 58s):

Good. Not true. Had a hitch company actually reach out to me and I responded with

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 3s):

That. Doesn’t that doesn’t count as an episode. That’s one hitch company.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 6s):

That’s okay. If they have an expert we can make it work All. right. Fun fact, when the show was at 997 reviews, I took my wife’s phone and gave a five star review and then drove to my mom’s house and used her phone for a five star review before using mine to cast the thousandth review. Five star review. Yeah buddy. Five

15 (1h 45m 22s):

Star review. Five stars. Yeah buddy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 27s):

Anyway, I’d love to rock some stickers, but I won’t hold my breath. Lightning, my address is this. Thanks. Keep the good work. Cheers. Nick pss. We don’t have a Whataburger or in and out here in Wisconsin, but we do have a Culver’s, which is better. Anyway, I’ll happily take my butter burger with a side of curds any day. Yes. And yes. I’m not gonna say Culver’s is better thann out, but it is a piece of Wisconsin magic that is spreading throughout the country. And it is a close, I would say it’s my top three burger joints on the road. I like in-N-Out. I like Freddy’s Steak Burgers. I like Culver’s. Those are kinda my favorite drive-through ones I think.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 1s):

I think Culver’s is my number two.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 3s):

Yeah. Yeah. I just, I I basically said that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 5s):

Yeah, I I know. But there’s one in Lake Havasu, which I’m very excited to, to go. It’s the closest one that I’m aware of. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 10s):

And there’s to us of course. Yeah. There’s one in, I think it’s St. George, Utah. So I’m driving to Moab I can stop there also.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 16s):

Culver’s good. Is it because they butter the buns?

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 18s):

Well they butter the burger. There’s butter on the meat. Who there is? Who doesn’t Who? It’s butter on the meat. Dude, that’s awesome. He says p p s wanna hook a fan up with a Banks discount.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 28s):

Wait, wait, don’t crumble that up. Yeah. Guy’s address in it. That’s right.

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 30s):

Sorry. Here

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 31s):

Take me trying to send stickers to people

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 33s):

And send him a Banks discount coupon. Got

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 46m 35s):

It. I can do. Where’s this address? It’s right there All. right Stickers are on the way. Thank for writing Truck Show is the general mailbox Lightning at truck show podcast com The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Is it weird when I vary my voice like that? No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 46m 59s):

I didn’t even notice. I don’t really hear anything you say or do anymore. I just, I’m in the vacuum. Somebody, you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 47m 4s):

Just tune me out. It is. I feel like I’m like old radio guy. Hey everybody, spin of the wax spining, those wheels of steel here. We got some fancy dude and Playboy by bro. Like You know what I tried to stomach.

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 19s):

If you want to unfollow, it’s at L B C Lightning. Listen, no listen. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 47m 22s):

I was on the plane coming back from the AM Oil 50th anniversary event and I’m, and I come across American Graffiti. I’m flying on Delta. ’cause you love Delta. I fell in love with Delta. They got a great movie selection. They do. And I tried to get through American Graffiti for about the fifth time and just can’t, just cannot get through that fricking movie. It’s so slow. Cool. Cars wanna like it can’t, I feel like it’s, it’s classic Americana. It’s George Lucas. Can’t do it. What’s wrong with me?

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 58s):

Hate Mail Truck Show and of course at Truck Show Podcast at Sean p Holman. If you wanna follow us on social. Am I the I’m not, I’m not you. I gave you Lightning. Unfollow his. It’s all good. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 9s):

Wait, wait. Am I the only one that can’t get through American Graffiti?

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 12s):

I don’t even know why it matters,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 15s):

But it’s like, I feel like we as men, car enthusiasts, we should love American Graffiti in it just is so

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 24s):

Slow. I think you’re giving way more props to it than it needs Oh. really?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 30s):

I think you

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 30s):

Just, you could like it or not like it. Who cares? No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 32s):

I think it’s, it’s not like one of those things where people like,

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 34s):

It’s like bullet graffiti. It’s like bullet. You have to love the chasing and bullet. You do.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 37s):

Of course it’s real. that wasn great, but

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 40s):

American graffiti All. right? Cool.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 42s):

Hey By, the way, if you haven’t seen the new Mission Impossible. Oh

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 45s):

Dude, no. Yeah, go

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 46s):

See it. No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 47s):

Absolutely not giving the Scientologists any of my money. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 50s):

Don’t give a rat. I love Tom Cruise. I don’t care about his religion. I’m telling you

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 53s):

It not a religion. If you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 54s):

Whatever it’s Are

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 55s):

They gonna come to my house now, do you think?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 57s):

No, they don’t care about you.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 58s):

Okay, good.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 60s):

If you liked any of the mission Impossibles, damn. Is this a good one? There are a couple of scenes and it’s not the one you’ve seen that’s on the, where he does the motorcycle off the cliff and all that. They hyped that for months. That’s not the scene, that’s not the cool, the the edge of your seat scene that that is gonna blow you away. There’s another one with a train that’s fricking awesome. I’m telling you. Mission Impossible. That’s that Lightning’s movie, hip to click.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 25s):

That’s funny because when we had the show meeting, you’re telling me about the Barbie movie and you’ve, you’ve changed it to that. Now.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 30s):

I did not see the Barbie movie. That’s not me. That was someone else that wasn your other co-host. Didn’t see that. Don’t have girls not gonna see it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 36s):

I don’t have a co-host other than you All. right? Well the the actual impossible mission is sending Lightning your events and having them put them online. Well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 47s):

I did screw up and I didn’t, I forgot to advertise our buddy Sean Ramages event at his open house or whatever it’s called up at Empire Fabrication. Yeah, I totally failed. And he’s a friend of ours and I let him down and I did put it up on our socials and you saw that and hopefully some of you went, ’cause it’s the event was last weekend. Yeah. But so I, I am pretty good about posting events as you’ll go to the events page on truck show and you’ll find quite a few events there. And we are looking for your events, just like we’re looking for your calls at 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5, the five star hotline, 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 27s):

We’ll have another round of your calls coming up in the next episode.

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 28s):

And thank you for everybody who has started to send know your notes again. So we’re gonna compile those and hopefully get back to knowing your note. And soon as

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 36s):

That’s why, if you’re new to the show, that’s where you send us the exhaust note or the engine sound and we have to guess it and we have to guess what vehicle is the engine in

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 44s):

Or sometimes just how many cylinders it has

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 45s):

Or we don’t even know anything. It’s like, ’cause we do our best and it’s funny to

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 49s):

Us. Okay. Yeah, I was gonna say All. right. Thanks for listening to The Truck. Show Podcast. We appreciate all of you. We gotta thank Nissan, we appreciate them as well. Nissan Frontier, Nissan Titan Xd. If you’re in the market for a mid-size or half ton truck, head on down to your local Nissan dealer or over to Nissan where you can build and price and see exactly what Nissan has to offer for you. It should definitely be on your list of trucks. If you are in the market for a new one

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 51m 10s):

And when you’ve decided that you just need some more power for that Diesel pickup truck, reach out to Banks Type in your year, make and model and find the derringer that’s right for you. Add up to 81 horsepower, 144 pound feet of torque. It’s the extra oomph you need to get up the hill without downshifting while pulling the trailer. Downshifting is always like, oh, come on, engine. And then you’re like, my truck needs more power. That’s when you reach out to Banks.

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 41s):

That’s funny that your revving engine sounds like that because mine sounds like this.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 51m 52s):

Yeah, that sounds good. Lemme try Bri.

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 1s):

Yeah, I’m a I’m a no on that.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 5s):

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