Discover the process involved in crafting a custom full-size vintage Jeep with Vigilante 4x4, and explore the reasons behind equipping one of their builds with a Viper V-10 engine. Gain insights from Gale Banks at the Banks 2023 Summer Party and receive the latest updates on the new venue for the Florida Truck Meet, as shared by Jordan Muhlbauer. The Truck Show Podcast is presented with pride by Nissan, in collaboration with Banks Power and SD Wheel.


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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (0s):

It’s The Truck. Show Podcast. I’m Lightning. He’s Holman. Miles. What’s up?

Miles (3s):

Hey guys. Miles here, your producer. We didn’t fire him. I’m really excited about this episode of The Truck Show Podcast. Oh good. You have Jordan from Florida Truck Meet who will give us an update. You also have the founders of Vigilante Off Road. Jeep fans are going to love this innovative couple. Oh, cool. Holman checks in with Gale Banks and you have a boatload of truck news. So let’s get going. Don’t screw it up.

Sean P. Holman (25s):

What you mean? Like he screwed up my name?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27s):

How about the confidence here? Miles

Sean P. Holman (29s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (30s):

Well, listen, if I spell it Holman, he just goes, no matter what I do, he says Holman. Just spell it

Sean P. Holman (35s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (35s):

I, if I say Holman, then he says Holman.

Sean P. Holman (39s):

WHOL. Just type in Holman with a W in front of it. See what is Really?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43s):

Yeah. All right. Here we go. Hold on.

Miles (46s):

Holman. Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47s):

I. Mean. That’s better. Yeah, that is better. Holman. All. Thanks, miles, appreciate the the intro. All right, so we do have a full show coming up here. Jordan Muhlbauer. Oh dude. Vigilante Off Road News and Mr. Gale Banks. Now you captured Gale at the recent Banks friends and Family party. You kind of sequestered him in the back where the engines were.

Sean P. Holman (1m 6s):

I basically saw a moment I pounced and then kept everyone away from him. I said, no,

3 (1m 10s):

It’s my turn to talk to Gale. You freaking line of a hundred people who’ve been waiting patiently. I’m gonna take up 20 minutes of your time and you’re gonna be okay with it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 20s):

How did you get him away from super Fast? Matt Brown.

Sean P. Holman (1m 23s):

I got him before super fast. Matt and him collided.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1m 27s):

Oh, I see. Yeah. Okay, gotcha. Matt. Pretty super fast. We talked about super fast, Matt on the last show, and if you guys haven’t seen his YouTube channel, go check it out because he’s going to Bonneville actually, as we record this now, Matt is in Bonneville and it is a little wet out there, but I think it’s dry enough for him to do his rookie runs as they call them. Before

Sean P. Holman (1m 46s):

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Miles (2m 5s):

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Sean P. Holman (2m 7s):

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Miles (2m 17s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 18s):

Yeah. Alright, miles, just sit in the back of the studio and stop interrupting please. We’re never go gonna get to this

Sean P. Holman (2m 23s):

Episode. I don’t, I don’t need two lightnings on the show, right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 26s):

Geez, miles.

Sean P. Holman (2m 28s):

Alright, well thanks Nissan for supporting the show. And if you’d be so kind Truck Show Podcast listener, please support them in return. A couple other companies that you can support

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 38s):

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Sean P. Holman (3m 8s):

Ooh, stainless steel. Do they turn colors?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 11s):

I Mean? I suppose they could

Sean P. Holman (3m 14s):

If they got hot enough. Yeah. I Mean. If you didn’t have an ID dash to monitor your s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 18s):

Four liters do get really hot and that’s why they fall apart.

Sean P. Holman (3m 21s):

Look, Jeeps have a very tight engine bay. If you hadn’t noticed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 25s):

Yes, well

Sean P. Holman (3m 26s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 58s):

Miles? Do you roll thirties

Sean P. Holman (4m 0s):

Tires or wheels?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 1s):

Wheels? I, I assume he’s talking about wheels.

Sean P. Holman (4m 3s):

So what’s he gonna put those thirties on? He’s a voice in the cloud.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 8s):

A Suzuki Samurai. well,

Sean P. Holman (4m 12s):

I I got no, I got nothing for that. But what I can tell you is if that’s what he wants, he should head over to SD Wheel dot com because they’ve got all the wheels and tires you could possibly dream of. Can they tell him

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 22s):

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Sean P. Holman (4m 24s):

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Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 39s):

Yes, miles, I like SD Wheel because they helped me floss.

Sean P. Holman (4m 46s):

Just start the show,

4 (4m 48s):

The truck show. We’re going to show you what we know. We’re gonna answer What? The truck, because truck rides with the truck show. We have the lifted, we have the lowered end. Everything in between. We’ll talk about trucks that run on Diesel and the ones that run on gasoline. The truck show. The truck show. The truck show. Oh whoa.

5 (5m 20s):

It’s the truck show with your hosts. Lightning and Holman.

4 (5m 27s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 27s):

Holman, you’re ready

4 (5m 28s):

To talk super

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 29s):


Sean P. Holman (5m 30s):

I have one in the garage.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 32s):

You Yeah, you do. Well what? Okay, hold on. Let me, lemme reask. It’s super. Wait, stop. How do you feel about talking vintage Super Jeeps.

Sean P. Holman (5m 40s):

How about we talk about gladiators?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 43s):

You mean a 6.4 liter hemi powered gladiator,

Sean P. Holman (5m 47s):

But not the gladiator you’re thinking about Which

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 49s):

Gladiator are you talking about?

Sean P. Holman (5m 51s):

The old one.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 52s):

That’s the one I’m talking about. The blue one on Vigilante four by

Sean P. Holman (5m 55s):

Four’s website. Then we are talking about the same one. All right. Right. Give him a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 58s):

Call. All right, here we go.

Rachel (6m 11s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 12s):

Hello. Hello.

Rachel (6m 14s):

Is this Sean? Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 16s):

We, we figured we freaked you out because Yeah, wrong number. This is Lightning’s phone calling you and you were expecting Sean Holman.

Sean P. Holman (6m 22s):

I was texting you from my phone.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 23s):

Yeah, so we were, we were, we

Rachel (6m 25s):

Were you out. Exactly.

Sean P. Holman (6m 26s):

We realized that halfway through ring number three, we went, oh wait, we probably should have called her or told her which

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 31s):

Number we’re calling from. They don’t know where we’re calling from. Some random Hollywood phone number. Three, two, three area code. You’re,

Rachel (6m 36s):

You’re lucky I didn’t cuss you out for calling me so late thinking that wasn a spam caller.

Sean P. Holman (6m 43s):

It would’ve been worth it though. What

Daniel (6m 44s):

Are you doing guys?

Sean P. Holman (6m 45s):

I would’ve enjoyed that. How’s it going?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 46s):

We’re outstanding On the phone. We’ve got Daniel and Rachel Van Dorin. Did I bot your neighbors that close?

Daniel (6m 53s):

You You got it.

Rachel (6m 54s):

You nailed it. I’m impressed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 55s):

Fantastic. Right, we have a quick intro to play. Don’t move What’s

9 (6m 59s):

In the shop? What’s in the shop? Does what’s in Your shop a segment where handsome guys talking about your crazy consumption that you, we discover some talk

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 21s):

I. dunno if you can hear that over the phone, but that’s Shop Talk. Everyone gets a bespoke intro just for them.

Rachel (7m 27s):

I love it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 29s):

Kind of old timey there. So

Sean P. Holman (7m 31s):

What’s in the shop? I Mean, you guys are known for, well you started from doing basically from the ground up restorations, all stock Jeeps. Then you morphed into this company Vigilante four by four, where you are doing some amazingly beautiful ground up restorations and resto mods of some of my favorite Jeeps, all the Fs js, full-size Jeeps, the, the J twenties, the Wagoneers, the gladiators, cheaters, I Mean, the Just Stunningly beautiful.

Rachel (8m 3s):

Yeah, it’s some of their, their most iconic pieces. Right. And that’s precisely what we have in the shop at the moment. We have some other ones on the horizon. I’ll let Daniel disclose some of those that are coming. But

Daniel (8m 19s):

Yeah, so most of what we do is generally just the wagon years, the Cherokees and the J trucks. Basically the full size Jeeps going from the early sixties up to the early nineties. We started off by 3D scanning those platforms and basically making a proprietary custom chassis for these vehicles in order to accommodate the, the modern Hemi and some Wilder platforms.

Sean P. Holman (8m 51s):

So on your Instagram right now, you are featuring a vehicle that might have 10 cylinders instead of eight in it, which definitely piques the interest of us over here.

Daniel (9m 3s):

That is, yeah, that is, it’s, this is the, the go behind this vehicle has been driven by two things. We love the high horsepower, we love the, the availability and the fact that Mopar puts out engines like the elephants, but unfortunately they’re just becoming harder and harder to get. And it’s really becoming a, a bidding war on, on how to obtain those engines. In parallel to that, we had a client that called us up and said, Hey look, I’ve got this Cherokee and I’ve got a big love and affection for the fiber V 10 Gen five engine.

Daniel (9m 50s):

And by the way, I’ve been using a lot of engines from a company called Prefix, which I didn’t know much about.

Sean P. Holman (9m 59s):

We actually have a friendship with those guys over there.

Daniel (10m 1s):

Those guys appear to be the Shelby’s of the VI world. He literally told us, Hey, look, if you can make this fit into our Cherokee and you know, without Major Modi modification and so on and so on, well let’s, let’s start talking. So, so Of course, I was intrigued about $48 liters. We had a nine liter, 825 horsepower biker, 10 delivered to us. We 3D scanned it, we put it in cad, we dropped it basically in cad, on on the chassis, dropped the body on there and gave it a go.

Daniel (10m 42s):

So we’ve got that in the build. Super, super excited about it. Absolutely way more horsepower than, than I can handle, but it’s definitely the right platform to build some.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 57s):

Daniel, when, when did this all start for you? According to your website, you were based out of Europe, correct. And you fell in love with Jeeps over there. Where are you from? Where’s that accent from?

Sean P. Holman (11m 8s):

It’s obviously the Texas Hill country. Lightning. Geez,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 10s):

He’s got that twang going on.

Daniel (11m 12s):

Hello. So I was born and raised in Belgium, Belgium, Europe. My mother is Swedish, my father is Dutch. You know, life is short. At 35 I decided to leave Europe and to pursue the dream that was building these high quality restorations from the ground up. You know, these cars never really got the right attention in my opinion. They were always just, you know, lipstick on a pig and some chrome wheels and, you know, put back on the market just to clip them over and over and over. But nobody was giving them the, the scene love and attention as other brands would have, like Icon would do with the FJS and other companies with the Broncos and so on and

Sean P. Holman (12m 2s):

So on. Daniel, were you seeing that in Europe? Is that where you discovered the scene or was that when you Yes. Came over. Okay. So what was that Jeep rest mod scene like there, It was just used like just Chrome wheels over there as well and, and how many are over there? Yes, I Mean is, it’s gotta be a pretty small amount. I I would imagine were they ever imported over to Europe, these full-sized Jeeps in any volume.

Daniel (12m 26s):

So there’s a massive, massive, massive love for the vehicle now regulation and just how the way that Evol Europe evolves nowadays is just not, not making it possible for any undertaking like Vigilante to take place out there. We, we were lucky enough to travel to the US with my parents a lot for vacation and holiday back in, back in the days And. we always loved Texas. I was kind of fed up of my life over there and I said, you know, you only live once, so pack up your suitcases. So I literally left everything behind there, took two suitcases, a mound, a bike Bluetooth speaker, and a container full of Wagoner and Cherokee and started this thing over here in, in Texas on one of my first trips back and forth to to Europe.

Daniel (13m 22s):

I was lucky enough to, to randomly meet Rachel in a in oyster oyster bar in, in Houston. And. we had a great evening together, left, I left the country after that for about 40 days. And, we stayed in touch, told her, Hey, look, I’ve got this Wagoner I need to pick up. It’s a thousand dollars Wagoner from, from Kentucky. Are you interested in doing this road trip together?

Sean P. Holman (13m 53s):

Now she, now that’s the way you decide if it’s true love or not any woman who will go without knowing on you on a cross country road trip to pick any vehicle up that is a thousand dollars or less and survives that with you as a keeper.

Daniel (14m 6s):

Yeah, no kidding. Well hold up. First of all, let me just tell y’all I did my homework. I Googled him to make sure Daniel v Nore was not a serial killer. Okay. Everything, everything came back negative. And my, my thoughts exactly after talking for 40 days, I was like, all right, alright, road trip. This is crazy. In a thousand dollars Wagoner and You have no idea how this is gonna go. You know, the car broke down umpteen amounts of times, and every time Daniel was able to fix it, there was no ac there was no radio. So windows down, no music blaring, just us through three to four different states until we got to Texas.

Daniel (14m 50s):


Rachel (14m 51s):

By the end of it, that wasn a done deal.

Daniel (14m 54s):

Literally, I dropped Rachel off at her at her house in Houston. She invited me in And. we have lived together since then.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 3s):


Sean P. Holman (15m 3s):

I, I want to know if on that first date at the, in the oyster bar And, he says, so I’m going back to Europe, but I’ll be back baby, I’ll be back. Don’t worry about it. And she’s probably sitting there going, yeah, pal. So

Rachel (15m 14s):

That’s exactly it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 15s):

So I went to new, I, I took my wife, well bef when we were just dating our second date, I met her at a nightclub. And then I said, Hey, in a couple of weeks I’m going to New Orleans with some friends, the sous-chef of Emeralds down there. Would you like to go? And she said, sure, okay. Thought I was crazy. And And, we were in an oyster bar, which I can’t eat shellfish. They disgusted me. And

Sean P. Holman (15m 39s):

So she How many did you choke down for your wife? So, so she

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 41s):

Grabbed, she, we go in, ’cause I’m trying to impress her, right? And she goes, I’m gonna have some oysters, blah, blah. It’s like, you gotta do one. I go, if I, if I suck down one of these oysters, you’re gonna marry me. and I did. And it freaked her out. And when we got back, she didn’t talk to me for two weeks. She thought I was a psycho. Oh yeah,

Sean P. Holman (15m 57s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 57s):

Oh. But then I tracked her down and well, I Mean we’re married.

Sean P. Holman (15m 59s):

Well, that was me and mushrooms. So I met my wife for pizza one

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 3s):

Night. Wait, wait, you were on mushrooms?

Sean P. Holman (16m 4s):

That’s no. Oh. So I met my wife on, she

Rachel (16m 6s):

Was, hold on. I was like, man, what kind of trip are we talking about here? That’s

Sean P. Holman (16m 9s):

A different kind of trip. Yeah. So I met my wife for pizza on her first date and she said, what do you like on your pizza? and I said, yeah, whatever. And so she ordered mushrooms, which I absolutely hate. So I, I choked down the mushrooms on the pizza and, you know, everything was good. And the second time we went to go get pizza, she ordered with mushrooms. and I’m like, And, we had been dating a little while. I’m like, no. She goes, what do you mean? I said, I don, I don’t like mushrooms. She goes, you did on her first date. I’m like, yeah, I was trying to impress you. Of

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 35s):


Rachel (16m 35s):

Yeah, there’s a lot you’ll do on a first date. Gentlemen and gentlemen. Gentlemen, hold on. One doesn’t like oysters and one doesn’t like mushrooms. Yeah, yeah. Y’all are missing. Y’all are missing

Sean P. Holman (16m 45s):

Out. But he likes mushrooms and I like oysters. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 47s):

We No, don don’t like mushrooms. You don’t like, oh, I hate mushrooms.

Sean P. Holman (16m 50s):

Well, I like oysters. I’ll, I’ll do oysters all day long. Oh geez. Delicious. Geez, Louise.

Rachel (16m 54s):

The fun thing that went with that, the whole reason I was out to get oysters was ’cause I was going to a Blue Oyster cult concert

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 1s):

And then No way was that, is that true? Yes.

Rachel (17m 5s):

No. Yes, it’s totally true. It’s totally true. That’s

Sean P. Holman (17m 8s):

So cheesy, but also hilarious.

Rachel (17m 10s):

It’s, it’s, I just don don’t know. I, I’m like, you know what, it’s gonna be an oyster kind of night. And hey, for whatever reason, what, however that popped into my brain, I ended up meeting my, my husband. So,

Sean P. Holman (17m 22s):

So, so Daniel, we shut, what did you choke down for Rachel to, to impress her?

Daniel (17m 27s):

I Mean. I was impressed by Rachel, just in general, her beauty and her and, and just everything. And then the fact that you’re in America, you, you guys don’t,

Sean P. Holman (17m 37s):

He is charming, isn’t he? Like,

Daniel (17m 39s):

You know, it’s a,

Rachel (17m 39s):

It’s, he is pretty charming. I’ll tell you. He did go to that concert with me, And. he really didn’t know who they were, so he had no idea. He had no idea. And bought a, a concert to on the spot and went, went with me right away after we shut down, by the way, 60 oysters. Oh. and I sat down at the bar. Oh my, I know, I know. Y’all don’t wanna hear that. Oh, I know y’all don’t wanna hear that. I, when I sat next to him at the bar, I ordered my oysters in my beer being the American that I am. And his oysters with champagne came out being the European that he is And, we just kinda looked at each other and just started talking And, that was it.

Sean P. Holman (18m 19s):

And look, it led to modifying vintage four by fours, which is a completely natural, who knew progression developments with some big ass

Rachel (18m 26s):

Horsepower. Who would’ve freaking thought, who would’ve freaking thought? Now, so guys, I do wanna backtrack a little bit because you asked about Daniel’s history Yeah. With the Jeeps And, he jumped from 35 to coming here, but he received his very first Jeep from his dad at 15 to restore. What was it and what’s cool that wasn a Cherokee chief. Okay.

Daniel (18m 48s):

That wasn a 80 81 Cherokee.

Rachel (18m 50s):

Awesome. And. he has never owned anything but a Jeep since, since that first car.

Sean P. Holman (18m 56s):

Do you know where that particular vehicle is? Or have you tried to find it? Obviously it would be in Europe, but have you tried to locate it?

Daniel (19m 3s):

Yeah, it’s, there’s a point as well where we do this and I I’ve owned many, many, many cars. We, there was a point where there were 40, we, you know, the low, the low milers, the super rare ones and so on and so on and so on. The collection just extended, it extended that wasn never a, that wasn never a job for me, right. that wasn always an escape valve for basically releasing pressure from the, from the day-to-Day work and hanging out with friends and tinkering. And each time people would tell you, Hey man, you’re crazy to put so much money into these cars, nobody’s gonna ever, you know, it’s, it’s not worth it.

Daniel (19m 44s):

And so on and so on and so on. And every time I finished the project, for some reason there was some big shot that showed up and said, Hey man, I absolutely wanna have this car that just allowed for things to evolve naturally and also to, you know, to gain trust in what you, in, in what we are doing at this point, 20 years later, basically. Right. Tracking down the old cars and tracking down, you know, the historical feature and all of that. Once you start going as deep as we are doing with the Vigilante story and getting that experience of having something that is totally unique and, and, and so looked into that, it becomes, yeah, it’s a very, very special feeling of, of driving and of, of the tactile feel and just the whole experience is absolutely unique.

Daniel (20m 39s):


Sean P. Holman (20m 39s):

Behind the, you

Daniel (20m 40s):

Have no more affinity for, basically for a low miler or for the historical aspect of it, you know, we can take a basically a thousand dollars car and, and, and make it a 350,000 vehicle.

Sean P. Holman (20m 53s):

Well, and I, I was gonna say, it doesn’t matter the, the, the driving experience behind the Wheel of one of those vehicles, if you’ve never driven a, a full-sized Jeep with that little skinny steering Wheel, every pillar is really skinny. So you can have really good outward visibility, And that big giant hood that tends to kind of move on its own when you go over a pothole or, or whatever, I Mean. It’s just, you’re just driving down the road and this, this whole beast of all these, you know, parts, they kind of move in unison and there’s a certain sound. To me it’s the, the way the dash looks on those. I love driving those old full-sized Jeeps.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 28s):

But wait a minute, is there any sound of the body over the engine over a 6.4 Hemi or a, or a, well

Sean P. Holman (21m 33s):

I haven’t driven one of the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 34s):


Sean P. Holman (21m 35s):

Engine, I’m guessing you don’t hear anything but the engine, right. Which is probably good because I think when those things were brand new, they rattled

Rachel (21m 42s):

Right here, right now with the audience listening. If, if you, you, if you guys are in Texas, stop by and see us and do a test drive, especially if you’ve driven one before to jump into one of these. And you, it’s, it’s a little bit of a mind twist, right? You’re sitting in this vehicle from the late seventies, early eighties, which seems to be mostly what we’re we’re doing at the moment with the Cherokees and such. And, but the feel of it is just like you’re a modern daily driver. It’s in and the, the go power and the response on the steering Wheel and the suspension and the powerful brakes and the fact that when you press the gas, you get an immediate response rather than pressing the gas

Sean P. Holman (22m 27s):

And waiting

Rachel (22m 28s):

And it takes five minutes. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It’s such a cool, mind boggling fun experience.

Sean P. Holman (22m 38s):

Now does that ex, does that invitation extend to your two new favorite podcast hosts when they’re in Texas?

Rachel (22m 45s):

Yeah, that’s exactly what I was talking about. Oh, I wasn’t talking to the whole audience. I was talking

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 49s):

To you.

Sean P. Holman (22m 51s):

We, we will take you up on that.

Rachel (22m 53s):

Please. Come on.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 55s):

At what point did you guys start putting in the larger engines? Because it sounds like you started modest, but then the engine, the displacement and power grew. Take us through that evolution

Rachel (23m 8s):

In general. We start with a Hemi 3 92 and honestly that’s the perfect amount of power for these vehicles, but there’s always going to be the individuals that want, want their toy, they want their power toy. And so we’ve, we’ve done a few hellcats. The elephants, like he mentioned, are much harder to source. So that’s why we’re playing around with the Viper engine. The HEMI 3 9 2 is really where we feel the most comfortable. But we’re, we’ve worked it out and done the scanning for the vehicles to make sure the larger engines fit without having to hack up the firewall.

Daniel (23m 49s):

There’s a lot of excitement going on right now in the, in the whole Jeep world with the, the new new six cylinders coming out that have, have similar amount of horsepower.

Sean P. Holman (23m 58s):

Yeah, the new hurricane with the twin turbo straight six. Correct.

Daniel (24m 2s):

So it’s, it’s, the platform is basically compatible with those engines we are in line to, to get, you know, the first production ones that, that come out And that are available as creates Awesome. To integrate those in there. Now my, he beats for the VAs to be honest with you. So, you know, I’m always gonna defend the VAs that’s, and sure, it’s, it’s fun to have a lot of horsepower, but it’s also a, a balance, right? It’s a balance of what you feel comfortable with, what the experience is for the user and also a 3 9 2, you can definitely share with your family. It’s something that is, yeah, it’s more power than

Sean P. Holman (24m 43s):

What I have a 3 92 Wrangler that I share the exhaust note with my entire house every time I started up in the garage. So that’s great. Right,

Daniel (24m 52s):

Right. But you also feel comfortable in sharing that vehicle with, with the rest of the family members. Maybe

Rachel (24m 58s):

Not the, but yeah,

Sean P. Holman (25m 1s):

Actually, actually she’s, she’s the worst one. She’s clapping in the backseat going more rocket ships. So he

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 5s):

Actually shares it with the block, his entire block knows when he’s coming and going from

Sean P. Holman (25m 9s):

Work. Yes. Yeah. and I had A-A-T-R-X before that, which was obviously ridiculous. And I have driven the new Grand Wagoner with the high output version of that straight six. And what’s interesting about it is it’s plenty powerful. It’s really torkey. We were able to get a grand Wagoner to break a hundred in the quarter mile loaded down with luggage and stuff like that at a racetrack last summer, which is a whole other story, but it’s a great engine I think people associate straight six with Jeeps. So I think that’s a great place to go. However, it’s really, really refined and quiet. So it’s probably gonna change the personality of, of what you guys are doing, not necessarily in a bad way. It’ll just be different. I’m like, Daniel, I I, as much as I enjoy driving that Wagoner cross country, I, I’m a V eight guy, I like to hear the, the engine talk to me in the, in the vehicle talk to me.

Daniel (25m 58s):

Right. And, and most of the time, you know, people have enough of the toned down traditional vehicles for their daily commutes. And so in the weekends when they take out these vigilant, they want to hear it rumble and they want to hear it roar and just, yeah, they just wanna have a more of a feeling from what’s happening in the car and, and translating that into emotions, which I’m skeptical about the, the six, we’ll see

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (26m 28s):

Now I’m curious to support the weight of the engines, the power of the engines. You don’t twist the chassis all up. Tell me about making and beefing up the frames. Are you, are you using the original chassis? Are you, I I couldn’t tell from the, the photos on your Instagram, it looked like they were new chassis or are you stripping them and then gusting them? Take me through that because some of your chassis are artwork. They’re beautiful.

Daniel (26m 55s):

Thank you. So we take a great pride in, in, in the whole process. Right. And the chassis is one of the main components in there. You know, once you start adding power to a vehicle, there’s a, yeah, there’s just a threshold of of how far you can do that before, you know, the rest of it breaks down in order to to, to add more power, you know, you need to work with a transmission that can handle it, which is either a six speed drum tr 60 60, which is a really, really fun six feet manual transmission or a dollar for a lady, which is built for up to a thousand horsepower.

Daniel (27m 39s):

That’s backed by a, an Atlas two transfer case, Dana 60, Dana 44 back and forth. And four link suspension on a brand new chassis that we basically designed based on a 3D scan of the vehicles.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (27m 59s):

So the chassis is in fact yours and it’s fully boxed,

Daniel (28m 2s):

It is fully boxed from front to back. It accommodates bracketry for the original bumpers, whether it’s the, the seven 60 seventies bumpers or the eighties 19 one piece bumpers. And it allows us to play around with engine mounts that are basically the whole heavy Emmy family.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (28m 23s):

That’s awesome. I was wondering, let’s, let’s move into suspension because Holman is a huge suspension fanatic and I’m a and a, I’m a newbie when it comes to it. And it looks like you guys have invested in only the quality parts I’m looking at. So for example, your six four Hemi is in the new gladiator, so it’s a 485 horsepower SRT eight powertrain with your treit gearbox as you’ve mentioned. And also I’m I can peek through where the, the headlight would be and I see a fox shocks or a, a remote reservoir stepped in there,

Sean P. Holman (28m 54s):

Coil overs and, and obviously you’re putting that kind of power to a vintage vehicle, you have to be able to control it. So big brakes, appropriate suspension, appropriate tire size in addition to having the, you know, drivetrain the transmission, be able to hold up to it in the axles. I noticed that you guys have, you know, Dana 44 and 60 looks like curry axles on there and I like that. you guys have your brake and your own branding and it’s really, it’s really a beautiful looking package.

Daniel (29m 19s):

Thank you so much. So yeah, it’s a four link in the front and the back and it’s really dependent on who’s gonna drive the vehicle, what they’re going do with it, that’s gonna set the quality parameters. The shocks are always Fox with the remote res reservoir And, we use IAC coils and those ratings are really dependent on, on the usability that is something that comes standard with every car and six piston brakes all around their bare brakes front and back six piston coppers. We use Hydrobot with that and in order to accommodate those big six piston coppers, we literally just machine wheels that look.

Sean P. Holman (30m 2s):

So, so let’s stop, let’s stop there for a second because what the wheels are, one of the things that when I was scrolling through your page and, and playing around on the website, I was really impressed with because you guys have a set of either like a kidney being slotted mag style or the later grand wagoner turbine style wheels, but they’re in a modern size and fitment and you guys are running bfg a TKO twos on there and you can tell that it’s a modern size Wheel and tire package, but they look vintage and they look really good. Is that something that you guys went out and did or is somebody making that for you? ’cause Absolutely. I I, I haven’t seen a, a modern fitment of that caliber in that style.

Daniel (30m 43s):

It’s not an off the shelf Wheel, they are machined out of a big chunk of aluminum. Wow. Each and every, each and every build. So we’ve got those two packages. We’ve got a super wagoner coming now with the, the spinner in the front as well. 17 by nine as well. Just a very special and unique Wheel that is Yeah, that super wagoner is, it made a only a, a handful of them. We were lucky enough to find one and find the right customer for it. I

Rachel (31m 13s):

Was also, are you familiar with the super Wagoner

Sean P. Holman (31m 16s):

A a little bit. That was a, that was a really limited edition vehicle.

Rachel (31m 21s):

Yeah. Very limited about two years of builds. But if you haven’t seen one, look them up because we are pumped about this build.

Sean P. Holman (31m 28s):

That’s like what, 67, 68 timeframe, something like that. Correct.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (31m 32s):

What’s different about it? Why is it so limited? Is it, is the wheelbase different or is it capabilities, was it engine? What made it unique

Daniel (31m 41s):

That wasn very It was just a very deluxe package with how they like to call it back in the day.

Sean P. Holman (31m 45s):

Super deluxe.

Daniel (31m 46s):

But there was a, yeah, there was a, yeah, a center console in the, in the middle, in between the two seats that would basically have a shifter grow through the, through that console. Just a lot of small refinements

Sean P. Holman (32m 1s):

And it had the cool Gillette razor grill that everybody loves. There was the Wheel covers were a little bit special, they just looked more upscale. And then the, the trim on that I I I would imagine trying to find all the trim from that particular model would be very difficult to re replicate today.

Rachel (32m 18s):

Super difficult. That’s why we got so lucky that we found one.

Sean P. Holman (32m 21s):

Was it complete?

Daniel (32m 22s):

Yes, that wasn on the trim side. that wasn complete. Lucky enough. Because if you were to just to have to recreate the stream, you did the 30, $40,000 just on trim.

Sean P. Holman (32m 33s):

Oh, oh man. So on unlike the later wagoneers that had the, the wood siding treatment to it, there’s, there’s a sticker basically, and then the Trend that goes around that on the super wagoner that wasn like that. But a two-tone that wasn like a textured looking lighter piece over black surrounded by chrome on all four sides. And that wasn, that wasn I Mean. You think about the heyday of Chrome in the sixties, the super wagoner that was it rivaled anything out there with, with the rum, but that wasn delicate it, these these pieces were were straight with chamford edges on them. Were

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 8s):

They like, Cadillac hold my beer

Sean P. Holman (33m 10s):

I Mean. If you look at the, yeah, if you look at how detailed it is, it’s, it’s, it’s really delicate and, and looks I Mean. It’s just a special vehicle.

Daniel (33m 19s):

You love it or you hate it. It’s like the Jeep steer commandos from those years as well. The super wagoner has, has refinement to it, but like the Jeep steer commandos of those years, they’re so upbeat that, that they’re actually beautiful. That’s how I like to describe them. Yeah, that’s really, that’s one of the developments that we are doing for this year is the scrambler and the, we’re adding the scrambler and the Jeep steer to the, to the fleet basically,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (33m 46s):

Guys. How does the, the, the business work out here? Are you finding customers after you built the vehicle or are customers now because you’re getting so popular coming to you saying, I want this with this engine and the suspension. Because I can imagine you’re getting it from all angles.

Daniel (34m 1s):

Everything is built to order. Nothing that we have here is available. It’s all built to order. Now we do have about 40 or 50 donor vehicles out there that we can pick from that we just sourced out through the, through the years just as good, you know, good donor vehicles. There’s no immediate availability on inventory.

Sean P. Holman (34m 24s):

That’s amazing because wagoneers, there’s a, you know, a few companies out there who are restoring them. They are getting picked up left and right and the price of a Wagoner now for a rust-free body of almost any vintage is really incredible. What they’re going for six figures or, or more for just a driver. Not, not anything special for the right car that had the right options on it. It’s, it’s crazy Wagoner prices where they’re starting after donors.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (34m 53s):

Why, why I Mean? Is it just the scarcity or is it they’re, what is it about the Wagoner that makes it so special today that like a travel law? You know, our buddy Ben up at 4 0 6 Garage, he’s making travel laws, but they’re not commanding this kind of money at least yet.

Sean P. Holman (35m 10s):

I, Mean, I. think the Jeep is a, the original four Wheel drive. SUV,

Rachel (35m 15s):

That’s it. It’s the original wagon. Right. And it’s like a Jeep is just so iconic. They, they, they had these years where they made these glorious looking vehicles. The design of the vehicles was beautiful, but a lot of the components that went with it were, and people just got tired of that. And now you’re, you’re able to bring them back and add some modern components to them that still you can hold onto the beauty of this vehicle. But it’s better than that wasn when it came out 40 years ago. And that, that wood paneling is just so you know, a wagoner, when you see one immediately, you know it when you see it.

Rachel (35m 56s):

Yeah. There’s

Sean P. Holman (35m 57s):

There’s no ambiguity about that vehicle. I just pulled up for Absolutely not Lightning. We have a, a TV here in the, in the studio studio. So I just beamed from my laptop a picture of what a super wagoner looks like. Th this is a white one. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 11s):

Can say that. I’ve never seen one. This is I Mean in person anyway. Yeah, this is

Sean P. Holman (36m 14s):

A white one with the black and gray trim with the roof rack and everything and it is just awesome looking.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 21s):

I like theirs better though. I like the Vigilante one better. I gotta say it. It looks I wait until you I Mean this what up appear on the screen Looks a little pedestrian. And I. Gotta say wait

Sean P. Holman (36m 31s):

Until you see the Vigilante version of a super wagoner and that’s gonna be the, the creme de la creme.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 36s):

Oh my Lord. What engine are you putting in the, the super

Rachel (36m 39s):

That’s getting a 3 92 and a six feet manual

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 42s):

Of course It is perfect Of

Sean P. Holman (36m 43s):

Course. It’s, that’s the best. That’s really the best. That’s really the best option right there. I I think a six two with a stick is pretty special.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (36m 52s):

So if someone wanted to order a vehicle, do you just say kick rocks we are booked for the next six years Or how does it go down? I Mean, they go to Vigilante four by and they drool all over their laptop.

Sean P. Holman (37m 4s):

And what is your wait list right now or your wait time?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (37m 6s):

That’s what I’m asking. Yeah,

Rachel (37m 8s):

Yeah. Right now our build time is at 36 months. Wow. 36 to 38 months. So no, we don’t necessarily tell you to kick rocks, but we do tell you that get your place in line now and you’re just, you’re gonna have to be patient.

Sean P. Holman (37m 22s):

How many employees do you guys have?

Rachel (37m 24s):

’cause we’re not, we’re not, we have 12 and we’re not, we are, we are a boutique. We are not a big production line. We will always say a boutique because we want it to stay fun And, we want it to stay personal. And, we want that. The Vigilante brand stands for quality and you know that you’re getting a quality product.

Sean P. Holman (37m 48s):

I, I laugh a little bit because when you look at the super wagoner, some were available had the black or different colored top than the body. And today’s Grand Wagoner, you can get that black top and everybody thinks it’s so novel. It’s so new today that you would have a vehicle that has a black top and it’s like, no, Jeep was doing this back in the mid sixties as their, you know, version of luxury. It’s pretty cool. Yeah.

Rachel (38m 11s):

And I think two-tone in the sixties was just a really big deal in general.

Sean P. Holman (38m 15s):

Yeah, I I would, could

Rachel (38m 16s):

You look at some of those Cherokees? Those are two-tone as well, right? With the black top and the Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (38m 21s):

They’re, they’re, they’re gorgeous. So to me the the the front end, like I said the skinny A, B, C and D pillars, the view outward all the chrome. I like the earlier ones a little bit better just from a styling standpoint, but there’s nothing to me that last year, what was it, 91 or something like that of a grand wagoner somewhere in that range, correct. With

Rachel (38m 43s):

The big Yeah, the final edition.

Sean P. Holman (38m 44s):

The final edition with the big overstuffed seats. And you know, I, I imagine one that’s like whatever color black with like the red casket interior. That right there is, that’s that’s my jam right there. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (38m 59s):

The ca me out right

Sean P. Holman (38m 60s):

There. Yeah. I might do something like granite crystal metallic on that one with the red interior. I bet that would be pretty

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 6s):

Nice looking. You’re never gonna do any of these. What? No, I’m never, I’m fantasizing. I spent all my

Sean P. Holman (39m 9s):

Money on a 3 92 angle. I got nothing left.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 11s):

Hey, I’m curious.

Rachel (39m 12s):

These are your fantasies.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (39m 14s):

Hey guys has

Daniel (39m 15s):

Let, lemme tell you something about the, the different generations of wagoneers. The early model models were the, the the best because the gauging and the steel and the sheet metal was just so much way better thicker back in the days.

Sean P. Holman (39m 29s):

Do you guys remember the one that the Jeep design studio did? So that wasn, they called it instead of Vintage green, that wasn Mintage Green because that wasn a mint color. It had the off-white Steelies on it and the green Coke bottle architectural glass. So I had that Jeep dropped it off at my house for a week. And my daughter, who’s a teenager who loves everything vintage, we drove that thing around And that had a five seven Hemi swap in it. And, we drove it around. I live in Huntington Beach, California took it up. PCH, everybody was turning their head. You’re in those low back bench seat in the front where you know, you got your arm around the back, everybody can see you.

Sean P. Holman (40m 11s):

The windows aren’t tinted and everybody wants to be you ’cause it looks like you’re having a good time. And she fell absolutely in love with driving that old Wagoner. And she’s never forgot that experience. She’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 22s):

Gonna have to make Oh, I can serious cash, right? She’s have to hit the lottery and buy dad one someday day. well,

Sean P. Holman (40m 28s):

I I think it’d be cheaper to fly her out to the hill country in Texas than just, it might test drive one for a day or something. Like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 34s):


Rachel (40m 34s):

Give her another, yeah,

Daniel (40m 36s):

Give her another come around, another taste

Rachel (40m 37s):

Come around.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 38s):

Have you guys ever had anyone throw so much money at you to get to the front of the line? Like some oil tycoons, like I need this and I need it now.

Sean P. Holman (40m 46s):

Really? Like from that voice?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 48s):

Yeah, just like that. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (40m 49s):

Just checking.

Rachel (40m 50s):

We’ve had people try. Oh, we’ve definitely had people try. But we have to keep the trust of our, our clients and so

Sean P. Holman (40m 58s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (40m 58s):

Like that. Interesting. You had a, didn’t you have a question about whether their location about the shops they were nearby? Oh

Sean P. Holman (41m 5s):

Yeah. We, we saw the, the address and we were wondering if you were by some of the other well-known shops in the automotive world,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 14s):

I think like Martin Brothers. Sure,

Sean P. Holman (41m 15s):

Yeah. Martin Brothers Lane. And, and do you know our friend Shaq Arrington? Yeah.

Daniel (41m 18s):

Of course.

Sean P. Holman (41m 19s):

See everybody in Austin all knows each other. That’s the part

Daniel (41m 22s):

We’re, we’re literally across the street from, from Joe and Amanda and, and Shag and, and and everyone. So yeah. Awesome. Absolutely. It’s so wonderful to be out here

Rachel (41m 33s):

And to have this pool of confidences that are just so emotive driven and there’s so much going on. There’s a few other outlets out here that are just popping out of, out of the earth that are all very passionate about their own brand or their own skills and, and yeah, we help each other out for sure.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (41m 52s):

What is it about Texas And that like, you know, for being from the west coast? Jesse James was one of the first guys to move from California out to Texas, out to the Austin area. I think right? Austin? Yep. Yeah,

Rachel (42m 1s):

He’s down the street here too. Yeah. Yeah. They’re all down the street.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 5s):

What is it, why is it such a magnet? Or is it, it’s just like, it’s like what America used to be or is I I Mean.

Sean P. Holman (42m 12s):

Why do you think America has this horrible accident?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 14s):

I Mean. ’cause it’s funny. That’s why I think it’s funny. It’s funny for me to

Sean P. Holman (42m 17s):

Do it. That’s where California Pompousness comes from. It’s you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (42m 19s):

Yeah. It’s funny Dick. So what I just think it, so what is it about this area of the country that is the magnet for people who want to build either resto or there? Actually there’s, there’s a huge Lamborghini scene down there. So it’s like the car culture is moving from Southern California east and it’s like stopping in Texas. Yeah. Why?

Rachel (42m 39s):

Well y’all have pretty hard emissions laws, don’t you? That’s that’s,

Sean P. Holman (42m 42s):

Well that’s a big one.

Rachel (42m 44s):

Ours are definitely a little more lenient, but also we have, we just have a lot of wide open spaces and long ass roads to drive on. Right. Ah, so I Mean, every time we build a car, we end up doing a test drive from here to Marfa Big Bend Terra Lingua. And that’s how we put the mileage on our cars to, before we do our punch list. And you talk about some long open roads, I Mean, it doesn’t get more beautiful than that.

Sean P. Holman (43m 15s):

And Marfa, for all of you who don’t know, is famous for the Marfa lights that wasn a famous UFO incident out there. So I would be all about driving a vintage Grand Wagoner off to go see UFOs. That’s like a perfect weekend for me. Yes. And then be able to pull over and get barbecue on the way. Even better. That’s like, and Dr. Pepper boom

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 32s):

Try. Oh my gosh. Qua

Sean P. Holman (43m 33s):

Fecta right there would be, that’s that’s me all over the place.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (43m 36s):

That’s why they live there. Yeah,

Rachel (43m 37s):

You just, you just hit Texas all in one sentence. That’s amazing.

Sean P. Holman (43m 41s):

Well, you, you guys don’t know, but, but I was made an honorary Texan from our listeners. We have a Texas flag because of my love of barbecue. I’m, my skillset, my superpower is, is Bri smoking brisket. My love of Dr. Pepper. You guys don’t know this, but we actually have a Dr. Pepper fridge in our podcast studio, which was gifted to us by a listener and also my, my love of firearms and freedom. So, and the only thing where we rub Texans the wrong way, but I think we’re, we’re coming not everything from California. Are you gonna, are you gonna ask them the million,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 12s):

The million

Sean P. Holman (44m 13s):

Dollar question? A million dollar question for all of our Texan deaths?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 14s):

Well first they’ve been here, have they been to California? It doesn’t matter.

Sean P. Holman (44m 17s):

Just it doesn’t matter because they don’t have to have been here for this. The answer to this question. Okay. Okay. Alright. So the one place where we differ from, from Texans and the one thing I’ll say that California isn’t all bad is we did bring in and out to you guys and it’s so much better than that crap. Whataburger.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 33s):

Yeah. Whataburger is bad, right? Do don’t you admit that Whataburger sucks.

Rachel (44m 37s):

Don’t don’t put me there. First of all, I’m from Texas.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (44m 42s):


Sean P. Holman (44m 42s):

We had a friend of ours from Texas who was, it might have been a listener who’s arguing about the, the, you know how great Whataburger was. I’m like, what A burger used to be a family business that was bought out by a corporation and now their’s food sucks And. he goes, yeah, you got me there.

Rachel (44m 57s):

That is the truth. That is

Sean P. Holman (44m 58s):

The truth. And one of my friends was arguing about In-N-Out versus Whataburger And. he was, he likes to always send me what a burger posts and stuff like that. and I a sending him pictures of me in the Inn out drive-thru. and I had gone to Au actually It was just in Austin a couple weeks ago and I was laughing because we passed by a Whataburger and there was no cars in the drive-Thru And. we passed by Inn out and there were 50 cars wrapped around the building in the drive-thru. I’m like, if you Texans think that Whataburger is so superior, why are you all in and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (45m 25s):


Rachel (45m 27s):

Yeah, correct. Did you send your friend that picture? ’cause that would’ve sealed the deal right

Sean P. Holman (45m 30s):

There. You know it, you know, so that’s the only place that you know, the, the, the Texans bristle with us, but everything else I think we’re in line. So we, we are, we are honorary And I. I have had a chance to drive around Austin with Shag a few times, so that was pretty cool. All that’s

Rachel (45m 44s):

Awesome. So hey, you gotta get outta Austin A. Little bit and you gotta come out here towards the Dripping Springs area, which is, I love it. Lovingly now called Radi Radiator Springs because there’s so many. That’s great.

Sean P. Holman (45m 55s):

Oh my God, I love, it’s

Rachel (45m 56s):

So good. There’s so many car cars, companies moving out here. Well,

Sean P. Holman (45m 60s):

Next time I head out to you, Texas, which I’m out there a few times a year, I’ll look you guys up and, and see if you’re around the shop. ’cause in all seriousness, I would love to come and and see what you guys are doing in person because the, the, the photos and everything on your website, the, the quality looks amazing. The vehicles look amazing. I, Mean, even the detail work for how you wrap the doors, I, Mean, small things like that, that, that show you’ve got acumen to touch everything and And that those special touchpoints on the vehicle are cared for and are are loved the same way as the paint and body is is is really cool.

Rachel (46m 32s):

Well thank you for noticing that. That means, that means a lot. That means we’re people are noticing And, we’re doing it right. Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (46m 38s):

You guys listening? Go to Vigilante four x Vigilante four by and they’ve got all of their, their social feeds kind of baked into the website. So not only we see all the, the trucks they’re working on, but you’ll also see the photos all in one spot. It’s a very, very cool website. Vigilante four by Yep.

Sean P. Holman (46m 56s):

And that happens to be the same on their social Instagram. And there are a thousand posts of photos that you are gonna love if you’re a full-size Jeep fan to see what they’re doing with these things. You’re gonna be blown away if you go and check out their, their Instagram feed.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 12s):

Daniel, Rachel, thank you very, very much for spending some time with us. Really appreciate it. Yeah,

Rachel (47m 17s):

Thank You’all. We really appreciate you. Thank you so much. We

Daniel (47m 19s):

Wait for you early next year when the Super Wagon Wagoner is gonna be ready. And, we gotta take it on. Test drive to Martha. Awesome.

Sean P. Holman (47m 27s):

Let’s do it. Let’s, let’s set it up. well I would love to have you guys come back on when that vehicle is done and if we can do something with you that would be great.

Rachel (47m 34s):

Amazing y’all. Thank you. Very cool. Alright

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 35s):

Guys, congrats on the success talk soon.

Rachel (47m 38s):

Thank you again. Bye bye.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (47m 41s):

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What’s new in trucks? We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need to know what’s new in trucks. We need

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To know lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks?

Sean P. Holman (47m 60s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 1s):

That was good.

Sean P. Holman (48m 2s):

Yeah, it wasn’t, wasn’t bad. Yeah. Hey lighting, did you hear? No, I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 6s):

Haven’t heard the news. What’s the story? Dude, I’m supposed to miles sit freaking down. No, I haven’t heard. I’m gonna fire your ass. Stop buttoning in.

Sean P. Holman (48m 15s):

And in today’s news, Lightning has a new toy on the board. Sad news from our friends at Nissan, they’ve announced that the Titan will officially go away after the 2024 model year.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 29s):

Booy Booy. No,

Sean P. Holman (48m 32s):

It’s, you know, everybody that we’ve talked to or know that has one of those trucks absolutely loves it. don. Don’t think I’ve talked to anybody who’s like, oh no, that truck’s, you know, not what I thought. Everybody loves those things and I’m driving a 2020 right now and it’s a great truck so I’m gonna be sad to see it go. Basically What happened was their, you know, obviously sales were a lot lower than everybody else. And are you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (48m 55s):

Saying that The, Truck, Show Podcast listeners did not step up like they were supposed to? I think they

Sean P. Holman (48m 59s):

Did, but it wasn’t enough. That’s where I’m gonna land. Okay on that. I like that. The problem is, you know, Nissan doesn’t have as much dealership density throughout the US and the, you know, they’re in the smile states as you will, which are less of pickup truck buyers and not so much in, you know, as dense in middle America where people buy trucks. And so it wasn’t enough for the US made truck in Canton, Mississippi to keep going. And then the, the memo was leaked and you know, a spokesperson came out. But the memo said production of the Nissan Titan will end in summer of 2024. Under Nissan’s ambitious 2030 vision of electrified future. We’re accelerating the process of transforming the Canton Plant with the latest in EV manufacturing technology.

Sean P. Holman (49m 40s):

This will support the production of two all new, all electric vehicles and there will be no workforce reductions due to this action. The Titan has been an important name played for Nissan in North America for 20 years and we’re grateful to the dealers customers and thousands of employees who have played a pivotal role throughout the Titan’s lifecycle. So I’m definitely sad to see the Titan go away, but the frontier lives on And. we are excited about that and Nissan will be doubling down and I hear that we will have some Nissan Frontier news very shortly, like within the next few weeks. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 11s):

Far goes. That’s all I hear right there. Wish

Sean P. Holman (50m 13s):

I could tell you more but I can’t. So we’ll take the next week to, to mourn the passing of the Titan and Titan XD and then we’ll celebrate the new news for the Frontier coming up after

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 24s):

That. What I’m hearing is that you should be part of an exclusive click go to your Nissan dealer and pick up a titan while you can.

Sean P. Holman (50m 32s):

You’ve got until basically summer of next year. So Oh,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 35s):

You got time, got

Sean P. Holman (50m 36s):

Time. Go. Go pick yourself up a Titan I. think if you’re looking for a really

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (50m 40s):

Can I, can I gimme a bronze edition?

Sean P. Holman (50m 41s):

You can. I I think if you’re looking for a really reliable truck that you know isn’t saddled down with a lot of the technology and gizmos for example, I don’t know if you saw I had that Honda CV in my driveway. Yeah. So my dad’s looking for a new car and he’s like, yeah I like the cv, you know, but I don’t wanna buy a new car screen’s everywhere. I don’t need all that stuff. I just want a simple vehicle. I can get in and drive. don don’t need all this. You know, CarPlay would be nice, A nice stereo would be nice, but it doesn’t need to be complicated. So I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 11s):

Called, what you’re saying is he doesn’t want all of the acc ma

11 (51m 15s):

The acc ma that you will need a coutre ma.

Sean P. Holman (51m 18s):

I said, well why don’t we get a stereo V for you to to to drive and And he likes it And. he goes, I like this vehicle because it’s super simple. I can just drive it. It’s easy to navigate. And to me that’s what the Titan is. It’s a simple pickup truck that you can get in and drive. It’s comfortable, it’s quiet, it’s powerful. It’s got CarPlay Android Auto. It’s got everything you need and it doesn doesn’t,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (51m 38s):

It’s durable. You can beat the snot out of it too. Yeah. And

Sean P. Holman (51m 40s):

It, it doesn’t have all this other stuff. You know, I feel like some of these trucks have so much tech in them. Are they really gonna be around in 15 years? What’s the part supply chain gonna look like, you know, with all that. Anyway, I’ve always been a fan of the titans. Sad to see it go, but you got time so get on down there and and pick one up for yourself. Hey lighting. Did you hear what?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 0s):

No, nope. I haven’t heard.

Sean P. Holman (52m 2s):

The Ram 1500 has been spied in rebel trim with the new facelift for the 2024 or 2025 model. Whichever the, the new mid-cycle refresh is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 13s):

Now Is this the one with my new taillights? No, that was the other one that

Sean P. Holman (52m 16s):

Wasn the ram page and Rampage not here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 18s):


Sean P. Holman (52m 19s):

Damnit. Dammit. Damn it. No, this is the ram that’s gonna replace the Hemi with the new twin turbo straight six mm So what’s Gale Banks say? You gonna get into some parts for that truck? I, Mean twin turbo gas right up his alley.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 33s):

No, it’s kinda hard to tune those at least right now. Hmm. Yeah, I don’t think so. I think the future of the company is looking. Look at

Sean P. Holman (52m 44s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 44s):

I think the company is looking at some, some hybrid action. Hmm. We were just so can I, I gotta tell you, this is weird.

Sean P. Holman (52m 53s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 54s):

So I alluded to the fact that we are working on a hybrid Humvee, right?

Sean P. Holman (52m 57s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (52m 59s):

And we’ve been sitting on this news, the project, it’s super, super top secret. Do we have encrypted doc encrypted folders at work? Where?

Sean P. Holman (53m 7s):

Oh. And, and buildings that require special access. We have, we

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 9s):

Have encrypted key, like USB drives, like thumb drives. They have codes on ’em that I, I’ve like straight spy stuff. It’s wild. So we’re treating this like a super secret program. The guys from Ricko, R-C-C-T-O, it’s rapid something, something I don Dunno, if you’re in the army, you know what? It’s right, right. They’re the advanced team of the army and they work on the prototypes and they try and sell it to the higher ups and government, et cetera. Anyway, so there’s a group of ’em in here last week, or at Banks last week, and they’re checking on the status of the Humvee That is hybrid.

Sean P. Holman (53m 39s):

They’re not allowed to talk about yet.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (53m 41s):

I’m just telling you that exists. They’ve said that it exists in Gale, Banks engineering, the parent company to Banks Power got that contract and is working on it. Okay. And so I’m taking some photographs of the group. They’ve formed like a semi-circle around the, the truck. We’re taking some photographs and I’m And I mouthed off and said, when can we talk about this in the news? It’d be so cool. It’s such a missed opportunity. And it’s just, it’s so special. And, and I figured they would just shut me down and the guy looks at me And. he goes, oh, what? You guys haven’t had a press release yet about this?

Sean P. Holman (54m 11s):

And you’re like, what?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 13s):

I said,

Sean P. Holman (54m 15s):

What? That’s what I just said. You said

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 19s):

And. he says, well just submit something and we’ll get it approved and you can tell the world. We’ve been working on this for a

Sean P. Holman (54m 26s):

Year. Yep.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 28s):

And he’s like,

Sean P. Holman (54m 29s):

So is there a press release coming?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 31s):


Sean P. Holman (54m 31s):

Is it gonna be in news or is this it right here? Are we telling

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 34s):

The world? No, I’m not telling the world. I have to get it all approved. I’m just saying like, I could’ve been talking about this project for a year.

Sean P. Holman (54m 43s):

All right. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 45s):

No, no, no. I didn’t hear

Sean P. Holman (54m 49s):

Moura. Tesla Cyber truck spy photos are emerging from the factory, including one that shows a really short fr

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (54m 55s):

Really? Let me, hold on, let me get over here. Oh, that is interesting. How, how that opens

Sean P. Holman (55m 5s):

Up. Well the windshield goes all the way to past axle center line. And so it’s this really stubby shorty kind of trunk thing that opens up. I gotta say

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 13s):

That’s actually kind of cool looking. No, it’s small. It’s very, it’s very like I don know, like a Ferrari or something that lame like a mid engine vehicle.

Sean P. Holman (55m 21s):

It’s too small. It could be a lot bigger.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 24s):

Yeah, small. It’s small, but it’s cool looking.

Sean P. Holman (55m 27s):

It’s cool looking. It’s just the nose pops

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 29s):

Up on it. I think it’s cool. Looks like a jet When you drive vehicles into the, into a 7 47, would

Sean P. Holman (55m 33s):

You say that 1.9 million reservations?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 36s):

It’s something absurd.

Sean P. Holman (55m 37s):

And, and when did they announce it? What, four years ago or something like that?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 40s):

It’s been I. think we started the show around the same time they announced it. Man,

Sean P. Holman (55m 44s):

That’s great. Oh well that wasn a little bit after

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 46s):

I think. Yeah. No, that wasn, I’m just exaggerating. But you know, like all this hype Lightning still has no correspondence from Tesla. Just the original email. Just this

Sean P. Holman (55m 57s):

Right here. That’s it.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (55m 59s):

No correspondence. Isn’t that

Sean P. Holman (56m 1s):

Weird? Yeah, but Elon Musk said in April, 2023 that they would have a Cybert truck handover vet toward the end of the third quarter. And that’s coming quick. So it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 10s):

Is, but look, this Jay’s Cybert

Sean P. Holman (56m 12s):

Truck, I know we talked about

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 13s):

RN 1128, but it’s no correspondence. Nothing. Listen, it’s coming soon. Hype up buddy.

Sean P. Holman (56m 19s):

Listen, what? There’s a guy on Twitter And. he got ran a drone over the factory and there was apparently one just sitting out in the car lot, the gig of Texas yesterday, according to this post. So he, he shot it. So it’s, it’s, they’re surmising that, that means it’s really close to getting delivered. So yeah. Hey lighting, did you hear?

12 (56m 40s):

No, no,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 44s):

No. I don’t think I heard.

Sean P. Holman (56m 45s):

So Nitsa, the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration is looking to potential problems with power steering.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 51s):

Oh, is this the ram? Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (56m 52s):

Ram 15 hundreds. 23 to 2016.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 55s):

But it’s not very many of them.

Sean P. Holman (56m 56s):

1.1 million pickups. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (56m 60s):


Sean P. Holman (57m 4s):

Ouch. So it says, NSA is hoping to uncover that why owners are reporting either partial or total loss of power steering that has a EPA system on it. The agency has 380 reports from owners so far with the most recent, you know, this month it involved a 2014 Ram 1500, 118,000 miles that lost power while towing a trailer. So yeah, that’s, that’s seems pretty serious. So,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (57m 31s):

But you don’t, are they losing, they’re not like, they’re not losing steering completely. They’re losing, they’re power steering. So you could muster through it, right? If you’re Sure it’d be hard to steer.

Sean P. Holman (57m 40s):

Well I think that’s what the investigation is going to uncover is whether, you know, you lose all of it part of it. So anyway, they’re looking into these potential issues. So if you have had an issue and you want to add to it, you can now reach out to the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration and add your story into the mix. So be be safe out there people. Be safe. Hey Lightning, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 3s):

No. Nope.

Sean P. Holman (58m 4s):

So, you know, Airstream has that cool base camp travel trailer. It’s shaped more like a, I don’t know, a horseshoe than it is shaped like a, a pill.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 12s):

Okay. Right.

Sean P. Holman (58m 13s):

It’s the, the off roadie one. The adventurey one?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 16s):

No, I don’t recall. Oh yes, I do know the one you’re talking about.

Sean P. Holman (58m 19s):

Anyway, it’s more of an entry level trailer. So apparently they’ve collaborated with REI and they’ve got a, a new one. So last year they introduced the 2023 REI special edition Basecamp 16 x. And now they’ve extended the length of the trailer. So now they’re offering a 20 foot base camp, travel trailer rather than the 16 footer. So it’s still a single axle. It’ll be the 2024 Airstream, REI special edition base camp 20 x. And it’ll be packing all of the original special editions features into a bigger floor plan. So the 16 x starts at 52, 900.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (58m 54s):

Yeah. But what I was gonna ask, when was the last time you’ve been inside an REI?

Sean P. Holman (58m 58s):

About two weeks ago. Really? There’s one right here. I go there all the time.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 2s):

So I love it. It’s like going in, what’s the big outdoor spot that has boots and everything else? They’re all over the place. Bass Pros. Okay. Right. It’s like a bas pros bas bells. Right, exactly. Except more expensive.

Sean P. Holman (59m 13s):

No, it’s not r it’s not even the same at all.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 15s):

Ludicrous expensive. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (59m 16s):

But it’s, it’s a co-op. So you get money at the end of the year and you don’t Say what? It’s a co-op. So you get money, it’s part of your membership. You get money toward

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 25s):

I I bought things at REI without being a member. Is that why I paid more?

Sean P. Holman (59m 29s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 30s):

Oh, interesting.

Sean P. Holman (59m 31s):

So yeah, get in the mail and it sends you, says you spent this much and here’s your dividend and then you can spend it on stuff next year. What’s wrong with

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 39s):

Stupid? Just be a store, dude, buy things and take it it home. They’re a store. No, but I Mean, it’ll be a co-op. What’s that?

Sean P. Holman (59m 45s):

Okay. Anyway, we’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (59m 46s):

All green. We’re co canop.

Sean P. Holman (59m 47s):

Can I go back to the pricing of this thing? Co-op. So 16 x starts at 52 900 and the 20 x special edition is 62 400. So that’s, that’s still some coin man. But you get 3,500 pound gross figo weight rating on the 16 x and on the 20 x it goes up to 4,300 pounds. So a a smaller vehicle should be able to tow that. A mid-size truck. No problem. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 11s):

How about a Ford Lightning? Who was it the other day? It was just that wasn a article or maybe that wasn on Facebook where the guy’s like, Hey, I bought a Ford Lightning and I pulled my boat and I made it 50 miles.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 22s):

Yeah, there’s some of that I Mean that’s part of the electric truck experience right now. Unfortunately, I think there’s a, a place for those vehicles and there’s also, it’s in the trash. Not a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 30s):

No, no, I’m kidding. It’s being, I’m being harsh. I I

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 33s):

Think I think they’re not right for everybody. I think that’s the easiest, easiest way to put it. Right?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 39s):

I would buy one to go to work. I’d buy a little, little bolt, little Chevy bolt. Yeah. Or something like that. That’s perfect for

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 45s):

That. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 45s):

Little Tesla model Y three, something like that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 52s):

Did I tell you I’m gonna go drive a lifted one off-Road tomorrow?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 57s):

Tell me more. No, I’ll

Sean P. Holman (1h 0m 57s):

Tell you the next show we do. Really? Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 0m 59s):

You’re gonna recap it for us?

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 1s):

Yeah. Why not? Okay. I think it’ll

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 2s):

Be cool. You are going to off-Road. A lifted Tesla.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 6s):

A lifted Tesla? Yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 7s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 8s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 8s):

Why? Huh? Why

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 11s):

Because why not?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 12s):

’cause you can,

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 13s):

Why not? Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 14s):

Huh. Wonder how loud it will be inside? ’cause they don’t have much dampening.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 19s):

Yeah, our friends at sounds can make a full model three.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 22s):

It’s, wait, is it damping or dampening? It’s dampening. No, no,

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 25s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 25s):

Dampening. Damping.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 25s):

Damping Dampening is getting wet. Yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 27s):

That’s right. Damping.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 29s):

Alright, well that’s it for news. What do you say We give our, well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 31s):

That’s it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 32s):

No, it’s fine. We’re gonna extend the news with an UPDATE from our buddy Jordan au from Florida Truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 1m 37s):

That’s not how you say it. Update. The thing is Holman Jordan can’t hide from us. We just gotta call him, you know what I’m saying? Like Jordan Auer. You’re gonna pick up the phone? No,

Sean P. Holman (1h 1m 45s):

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You can’t just go into it that way. We have to preface with George’s like, guys, I got news. I I’ve got a update. And he’s like, can I be on the show? We’re like, well we’re not recording for like another week And. he is like, yeah, yeah, call me. And then we forgot. And then I’m like, we should call him. And then we’re like, do we tell him we’re calling him? And you’re like, no. Bomb. Rush

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 5s):

Him. Bomb rush. So that’s what this

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 7s):

Is. We Jordan doesn’t know that we’re calling right now. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 9s):

He does not. And he’s three hours ahead and it’s late. Really late there. Oh. Not

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 13s):

For Jordan. He hasn’t passed out

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 15s):

Yet. Nah, I think he does.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 16s):

He passes out on midnight or one

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 18s):

Really that late. Yeah. I think he’s getting together with his new girl.

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 22s):

You’ve been following that odyssey on? I I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 25s):

Was there on the gram. I was there when they got together the first time. Yeah, there was some of that. Why is he not picking up Jordan Brown Chicken, bro. Cow.

Daniel (1h 2m 35s):

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 37s):

He’s right there. Whoa.

Daniel (1h 2m 40s):

Oh my goodness. Which

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 41s):

Told, should we call you for an

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 42s):

Update? Yeah. Now hold on. Jordan, we need to know Are you getting down? Are you t there with the Chicky?

Daniel (1h 2m 48s):

No, no, no, no, no. Not right

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 50s):

Now. Liar.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 51s):

Not right. Is

Sean P. Holman (1h 2m 52s):

Is she within an earshot?

Daniel (1h 2m 54s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 2m 56s):

You and you and your new gal pal have been gallivanting all around

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 0s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 1s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 1s):

Planet. No. He and his new gal pal need to get the hell out on my Instagram feed. ’cause I’m like, holy. Not

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 5s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 6s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 6s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 6s):

Dude. Like seriously, if I see that fricking ginger red beard and straw hat one more time, he’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 12s):

Like, I think he quit. He’s just vacationing with her. So what’s the story here? You sold Florida Truck meet and now you got something new?

Daniel (1h 3m 21s):

Hell no. If I sold Florida Truck meet, you guys need to check me into the insane asylum. I I love that show now. No, we just, we’re moving, we’re moving north. You’re moving again. So we’re, yeah, we move it again. All right.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 34s):

Give us the dates. What’s happening? So Florida Truck Meet is now called

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 39s):

Carolina Squat

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 40s):

Meet. No, not Carolina

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 41s):

Squat. Oh, we didn’t go that far

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 42s):

North. No. Oh, come on now. Oh.

Daniel (1h 3m 44s):

Ooh. We’re, we’re keeping Berda we’re keeping the name the

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 47s):

Bermuda truck meet.

Daniel (1h 3m 50s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 51s):

Truck meet. What’s it called? Florida Truck Meet is now called

Daniel (1h 3m 55s):

Florida Truck Meet.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 3m 57s):

Oh wait, what? What?

Sean P. Holman (1h 3m 59s):

It’s still in Florida. Lightning.

Daniel (1h 4m 2s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 3s):

I thought that wasn changing the names and

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 5s):

No. Why would he change the name? He already has the URL. No. What a pain in the button is. Remember everybody to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 9s):

Hold on a second that wasn Daytona truck meet. Right? And then that wasn and that wasn, you couldn’t call it Homestead Truck meet. That’s lame. No. So that wasn get Florida

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 15s):

Truck meet. Right? And so now Florida’s even better ’cause he can move it anywhere within the state. Even the fricking Panhandle And. he doesn’t have to change Ur L or his T-shirts.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 23s):

Okay, ORs Business

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 24s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 24s):

Exactly. So then where and when is Florida Truck meet? 2024.

Daniel (1h 4m 31s):

It is at Orlando Speed World in Orlando, Florida. April 5th through the seventh.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 39s):

All right. So Lightning’s gonna create an event for you. An event page on truck Show Podcast dot com. If you email him Lightning at truck Show Podcast dot com, the details, because even though he edits the show, he will not write this information down. And. we will need it an email in order to promote it on

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 4m 56s):

I. think I’ll just go to his website and get it. Or his Facebook feed or Instagram.

Sean P. Holman (1h 4m 59s):

All right. That, that, that date again, that date again?

Daniel (1h 5m 4s):

April 5th through seventh.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 5s):

April 5th through seventh. Five

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 6s):

Through seventh. I’m

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 8s):

Just seeing if it’s, if I can go this year.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 10s):

Wait a minute, you don’t have plans a year from now? I do.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 13s):

How? Why?

Daniel (1h 5m 13s):

You already know it’s gonna be Easter Jeep Safari time. So you can’t make the,

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 17s):

You No, no. When

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 18s):

Is Easter Jeep Safari?

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 20s):

No, Easter’s the 31st of March. This is after Easter. I might be able to go. What? Yeah. Alright. I’m putting it in the calendar. Don’t worry. I might be able to go.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 31s):

What do you mean might Well, because

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 32s):

I’m commit to it. I’m poor now. Commit to

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 34s):

It. I I

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 35s):

Don can’t even afford gas to go out in the desert. How to,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 37s):

How I gonna do it? It commit to it. I’m

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 39s):

Putting it as a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 39s):

A here holder in my calendar. I’ve already listen. Oh my goodness. Listen, Jordan, IJ we had a sidebar and he’s gonna pay for us to fly first class to Orlando. I already talked to this. He’s putting up putting us up in a hotel And. He’s got a golf cart for us.

Sean P. Holman (1h 5m 53s):

If he has all those things, I’ll definitely go. He,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 5m 55s):

Dude, he’s doing it. He’s going big. That’s how much we’re gonna dedicate so much airtime to Florida. Truck meet in Orlando. April three and 4, 3, 4, 5, whatever. It’s, what is it again? April

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 6s):

3, 4, 5, 5, 6, 7, 5, 6, 7.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 7s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 8s):

24. Exactly.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 9s):

Next year. And it’s in Orlando. It’s gonna be off the chain,

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 12s):

Dude. Right? Dude, look. Look. What have I done in my calendar? Right there. There it is. It’s in there now. That’s by the way. Wait.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 17s):

A as you know,

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 19s):

Hold on, hold on. Lightning’s

Daniel (1h 6m 21s):

Never thought I’d see the day.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 22s):

Hold on. Hey, I’ve been out there before, pal once or I just been a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 6m 25s):

Couple years. How many times has Lightning been there? Hold on. Four.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 27s):

No, that’s right. Four. Because I can send you as my proxy. ’cause that’s how that works. Sometimes you’re weak. Listen, just like I sent you, it’s not the same Anzo as a proxy. Just like I sent you to your own Banks event as my proxy. Just as you sent me to your own Banks event as your proxy, whatever. All right, listen, you should know that the first step in getting Holman to show up anywhere is for him to put a placeholder in his calendar. You this, this is ous. Yes. If that’s in there,

Daniel (1h 6m 54s):

It lives by, it lives and dies by the calendar.

Sean P. Holman (1h 6m 56s):

It does, it does. If my Apple watch doesn’t tell me where to show up in the next 10 minutes, I don’t know what I’m doing this day. So

Daniel (1h 7m 2s):

It’s even better if there’s bourbon and a cigar waiting for you.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 5s):

Lightning, let me show you this. This is my July, 2023 calendar.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 10s):

So all days are marked in different colors. There’s not a single day that’s not marked in

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 14s):

How many And and some of these days have like this one? Yeah. Five more events under those four day ones. That’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 20s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 21s):

That’s my calendar. Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 22s):

Erase some. well,

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 23s):

I have, I’m busy my point. That’s why I’m saying I’m getting in calendar.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 27s):

But you can’t put things like, like go to the bathroom and eat breakfast. Like you can’t put like daily activities

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 31s):

On there. No, that’s not what’s in there. Well, what is what

Daniel (1h 7m 34s):

His poop schedule too?

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 36s):

No, that I can’t do a schedule on that. It just, it’s not, it’s not consistent enough. Really? Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 7m 41s):

Once you get older. Oh, that’s when you get older. It’ll it’ll be consistent.

Sean P. Holman (1h 7m 44s):

No, it’s co consistently not consistent. Really? Yeah. Except for the one at certain days after, you know, like a, a 1:00 AM Carneia burrito and then it’s like you get the four 30 or 5:00 AM one where you’re like planning to wake up at eight. Oh no. But now your day’s ruined because you got the gurgles dude. The, no, not the gurgles. The, the sleep poops like the worst in

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 8m 4s):

The world. That’s the worst. Like, don

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 5s):

Don’t mind dude, I had that about, I don’t mind waking up to pee. You get up, you’re like on autopilot. You, you hit a couple walls with your shoulders, you find yourself to the bathroom. You probably are pretty good. And don’t pee all over the seat. You return to the bed and you pass out. If you are up for 10 minutes because of a sleep poop, you’re up that wasn erupting. That’s it. You’re, your day has started. Dude, I had eruption that wasn awful. and I, I spackled the toilet. And, and you went for coffee right after that and read the morning newspapers? I do not drink coffee. No. There was

Daniel (1h 8m 32s):

No chemical I can clean up. That meant got

Sean P. Holman (1h 8m 34s):

Up. I had a half a, like a quarter of a monster. And did you go, took my shower in. Did you walk to like the local park and sit on the park bench and just sigh with what? You should be sleeping, but you’re not. So now you And that old guy who takes his walk every morning at five 30 or hanging on the park bench together. Just watch the pigeons fly around at Dawn. Yeah. Something. Oh, oh. Watch the pigeons fly around at Dawn. Yeah. That’s, that’s an album. It’s an album cover. Yeah. Right there. All right. So Jordan, it’s in my calendar. I am pretty darn sure that I will be able to make this happen. Jordan. What is,

Daniel (1h 9m 6s):

I really hope that’s true. Jordan

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 7s):

Jordan, we ask you this every year. What is going to be different? What do you have yet? What do you have planned for Florida Truck Meet in Orlando next April?

Daniel (1h 9m 18s):

So we’re really switching gears on this. We’ve normally always just been kind of a show with, you know, little, little tidbits of things here and there. You know, like we did the tug of wars last year. And, we always, which is a lot of fun

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 29s):

By the way. I gotta, I got gotta

Daniel (1h 9m 30s):

Oh yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 31s):

Gotta give you mad prospect. That was with trucks, please. Right. Let’s how that wasn with trucks. They’re,

Daniel (1h 9m 36s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 36s):

Just checking.

Daniel (1h 9m 37s):

Yeah, they’re coming back again. So we’ve got that. But we’re really switching gears to more performance style. And with the venue that we have now, we have a drag strip. So we will be having Diesel drags among other things now. So we’ve added that among other things. We dyno competition coming on trucks going while we’ll be back. They’ll be doing tug of wars at night. Will you

Sean P. Holman (1h 9m 56s):

Have a T-shirt Canon for me? I don’t care about anything else. Will you have a T-shirt can on Nitro for me? On Nitro? Yeah. Remember there were nitrogen And we’re shooting like big old puffy like clouds of explosion and T-shirts out the crowd. And then I, I had the CO2 and I was because that wasn muggy, I had to get the sweat off the models with it and stuff. Yeah, because you had the one to punch. You were on, we were on the stage with the models with all the bi bikini girls. Yes. and I was cooling them off And. we were shooting or throwing T-shirts. that wasn great. Is that what you call it? I don whatever. Yes.

Daniel (1h 10m 23s):

We’ll, we’re gonna have all that. We’re gonna have the same DJ guy. He’ll have the studio O2 Cannons. And then I know for a fact my buddy Zko, who actually has the killing at Lifestyle Mud truck, he’ll have a T-shirt cannon. So yeah, we’ll have all of that for you, you

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 37s):

Know. Alright, love it.

Daniel (1h 10m 38s):

Do you have permission to do the bikini contest again?

Sean P. Holman (1h 10m 42s):

It’s better to ask for forgiveness, my friend. Once Listen, once you put a ring on the finger of that girlfriend of yours, you’ll realize that the the rules change and you have to, you’ve gotta subvert some, some things and no, no. Holman’s wife is cool. She’s fine with it. She’s no, he, he’s not banging around or anything. He’s, he’s a loyal dude. So I, I,

Daniel (1h 11m 0s):

My girlfriend’s pretty cool too. She was actually on the stage during the bikini contest in Homestead, so she was enjoying it as well. Nice.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 7s):

Oh, that’s cool. Yeah. That’s a keeper. Yeah, that’s a keeper. What kind of food are you gonna have? Because halfway through the day I’m gonna be really hungry and I don’t wanna wait in a fricking eight hour line for a grilled cheese sandwich from a truck.

Daniel (1h 11m 18s):

I know. The, the track already has a bunch of food trucks already coming, so. All right.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 22s):

Make sure they’re good

Daniel (1h 11m 22s):

Ones. They got that covered for us.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 24s):

And will there be cold Dr. Pepper? Hold on. Wait, I gotta stop. He no cold. Dr. Pepper. That trump’s all. He’ll have that. He’ll have that. He, he’s, I want hear from him. Lightning. Okay.

Daniel (1h 11m 31s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 32s):

Yes. What?

Daniel (1h 11m 32s):

Yes. I will have ice cold Dr. Pepper.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 35s):

Thank you. I don’t remember the

Daniel (1h 11m 36s):

Name of The. Truck, do you want the glass bottles again?

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 38s):

Yes. If that’s a possibility. Of course. The only bottles that are good with soda are glass. The cans are, the

Daniel (1h 11m 46s):

Cans are better. If you

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 46s):

Want it,

Daniel (1h 11m 46s):

You get it. Just, just tell me. I will have it there. Ice cold waiting.

Sean P. Holman (1h 11m 51s):

I like this. This is good. I like this Jordan. Yeah. New York Style Pizza. Hey, Jordan, did I send you a picture of the podcast? Did you hear me? Wait, New York freaking style pizza. He had a New York style pizza. A guy from Brooklyn. Yeah, it’s set up in Naples, Florida. Right. And. he had the truck show up. Right. And I had a piece each day. All three days. But the problem is you realized New York pizza can’t be replicated outside of New York because the nasty New York water is what makes it so magical. Really? Yeah,

Daniel (1h 12m 13s):

They ship the water down.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 15s):

Oh. Oh. All right. well, I got nothing. I got nothing. This guy was straight, his accent was thick. He was I love that wasn. He was from Brooklyn. No, but that’s the thing. They’re like, the reason New York pizza can’t be directly copied outside of New York City is the water to mix the flour into the dough is, does not have the same mineral content and rust and sewage that regular New York has. And so it just doesn’t say too much, too much iron in it. The whatever it is. And, and I’ll tell you, they, they cook off all the bad stuff in the brick oven and, and what’s left is just pure edible magic.

Daniel (1h 12m 48s):

Yeah, no, they, they fixed that problem. They had the water shipped down crazy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 12m 52s):

Hey Jordan, I sent you a picture of our sticker wall in the pod shed. Right? And, and you saw what was at the pinnacle of the roof.

Daniel (1h 12m 59s):

I Mean. I couldn’t be more honored. I Mean. That’s just perfect placement right there. You are

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 3s):

Dirt. You are our highest place sticker. It is. I’m the, the construction podcast. I’m not gonna say he’s where Jesus would be. Well, but if, if he had a Jesus statue. Hey, listen, in other parts of my house where the Jesus cross is. Yeah. It’s Jordan and occupying that space. Although you’re on top of a set of steer horns. So take that for what I can, I

Daniel (1h 13m 22s):

Can be a red beer to Jesus. What

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 24s):

Is, but the sticker, for those who haven’t seen it, Jordan’s arms are outstretch. It’s a cartoon of Jordan and it says update in orange across it. And his arms are outstretched. It’s hilarious.

Daniel (1h 13m 35s):

It’s the best.

Sean P. Holman (1h 13m 36s):

Okay, Jordan, we gotta get down to the brass tacks here. So we own a truck And. we want to show our truck, or our club wants to show all of our trucks in Orlando next year. Where do we go? What do we do? What does it cost?

Daniel (1h 13m 48s):

So our website is fl truck I think next week we’ll have all registration and everything open, including vendor pricing, stuff like that. This, this, this whole move happen really, really fast. We, we got been about two years in the making of talking to this venue and finally getting a meeting set up and all that stuff. You know how that all works?

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 10s):

Did you had to get dirt on them?

Daniel (1h 14m 12s):

I, Mean. I got dirty there.

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 14s):

Did did you have to like grease the mouse or anything or, because you know, they don’t like competing events within their space.

Daniel (1h 14m 22s):

No, it worked out great actually, they, they even moved one of their events to help us fit in there. So we, we’ve got control of the entire property. So we’ve got, they, they even have a oval track on site. They’ve got a skid pad way out in the back. They’re clearing out more land for extra parking across the street. So we’re gonna have room for, oh man, thousands of trucks. Dude, no,

Sean P. Holman (1h 14m 45s):

It’s gonna be awesome when Daytona calls you crying and groveling on their knees and you’re like,

3 (1h 14m 50s):

We’re so sorry. We were shortsighted and done Mr. Jordan.

Daniel (1h 14m 55s):

Yeah. We’ll see if that ever happens. But I, we’ve been, we’ve been put in the work to get back to Daytona. That’s the goal is to always get back there. And I think with the placement of, you know, the April dates that keeps us open to having Daytona, you know, in our June timeframe, like we’ve always had it just a beginning of the summer type thing. The government in that area is still a little iffy. Wonky. Wonky. Yeah. We’ll, just wonky. So, you know, once that gets corrected, you know, we’ll probably end up getting back there. But just for right now, it’s still a temporary hold. But we still stay in contact. We still work with them very well. We love the people over there at Daytona. They, they’ve been busy, that’s for sure.

Daniel (1h 15m 37s):

So we, we’ll be here when they’re ready for us.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 15m 41s):

Tell me, Jordan, what do you have planned for nightlife? Because in Daytona you didn’t, the nightlife wasn’t really a thing in Homestead, but in Daytona, which is kinda your birthplace, it popped off at night, it went off. that wasn a lot of fun. And that wasn close to the beach. So what you would do during the day, you’d cruise the beach and then you’d go to the show and then at night you went to this massive outdoor mall across the street from the racetrack there in Daytona. And it would be thousands of trucks and people blasting stereos. And that wasn surprisingly no issues, no fights, just music. There’s like a, people break out and break out in dance parties and stuff. But that wasn rad. Will we expect to see any of that in Orlando?

Daniel (1h 16m 21s):

Yeah. So the, the property itself is about 15 to 20 minutes from downtown Orlando. And the nightlife there is awesome. But we’re also working on doing nightlife at our own venue. So luckily with Orlando Speed World, they want us to stay there at night. They want us to Oh, that’s great. Have a basically a full-time schedule. So we’re already working on a pre-party there. That’ll be either Thursday or Friday night. And then also doing nighttime truck tugs. Dino runs even drag racing at night. And one that place is actually one of the very few places in the state that doesn’t really have a curfew. Like they don’t have a sound ordinance issue there. So they can keep going as long as they just don’t really piss off the neighbors very much.

Daniel (1h 17m 4s):

But apparently all the neighbors love the place right now. So Well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 7s):

Don’t let Jordan ruin that. Don’t tell those, that Miami audio company that comes with that red Jeep JL every year. Dear God. Is that loud? Holy mackerel. What is that? Not what is deviate dv What’s that? What’s that company? DD s a T. Yeah. Ho. Oh my Lord.

Daniel (1h 17m 25s):

D s a T. Yeah. Damn. They are, they, they’re just like their slogan. We like it loud. That’s how they do it. Dude.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 32s):

Holman and I. Don’t know if you ever experienced that. That is like Exactly. Holy macro, huh? Yeah. I love, I love car audio more than anyone in this. I I don this

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 39s):

Room. don don’t like to feel it inside my veins, but dude,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 17m 41s):

This pierced my mind. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 43s):

Yeah. I’ll be, I I’m gonna, I I learned some things from the last time I went out there and that’s bring earplugs just in case.

Daniel (1h 17m 50s):

We’ve already got a section marked off of them, kind of off to the side so they can blast music at each other and just have a good old time doing that.

Sean P. Holman (1h 17m 57s):

So has your lovely governor submitted a letter of commendation to you yet for doing the Lord’s work down there?

Daniel (1h 18m 5s):

Man, I would love that. You got any connections?

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 8s):

No, no. I I, I, I’m just going to, I’m, I’m waiting to see if you guys are gonna have to replace him or not. ’cause I kind of feel like don’t, don’t, don’t leave a good thing replace

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 18s):

DeSantis y

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 19s):

’cause he might leave. If he ends up going the next level, then what happens to Florida? I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 24s):

Hope when you say going to election, there’s either president or run for

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 27s):

Governor again, I’m sorry if you haven’t opened up the newspaper lately. Lightning, but he is running for president.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 31s):

I, I realize that. So if

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 32s):

He were to get elected, what happens to Florida? Are there enough? Yeah. Shark teeth down. There’s, that’s a question

Daniel (1h 18m 38s):

We’ve all been asking there.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 40s):

He’s not, I

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 40s):

Personally, I personally think you guys are the ones that are sabotaging his campaign because you don’t wanna give him up. You don’t wanna share with the rest of the country.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 18m 50s):

He’s not, he’s not going right there. He’s not going the distance. My friend. You’ll,

Sean P. Holman (1h 18m 54s):

You’ll see Yeah, because of Florida. They’re like, nah dude, we’re we’re, they’re, they love the guy. They’re taking up dirt on him. Yeah, they’re, they have ’em chained to the basement. They’re like, nah dude, you can’t leave. Can’t leave

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 4s):

Fl truck is where you’re gonna get all the, the details about how to show how to attend and all and and whatnot. Yes, sir. All right.

Daniel (1h 19m 12s):

Yeah. Fl truck is their website for all registration and info purposes. But you know, our Instagram, Florida truck meet all one word. That’s where we, you know, do most of the posting and it goes to our Facebook as well. So that’s how we do it.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 26s):

All right, brother. Well thanks for picking up your phone. ’cause we thought for sure this was gonna be a big giant dud and it ended up being all right. It’s only,

Daniel (1h 19m 34s):

It’s only 1130 in the east coast. It’s fine.

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 37s):

Lighting said you had warm milk and went to bed at 10. I’m like, not our Jordan.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 40s):

No, but remember Hold on a second when we were in our last two, if

Daniel (1h 19m 44s):

I had warm milk, I actually would. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 19m 46s):

Here just a second. If you recall Holman, when we were at MotorTrend. Yeah, And. we called him that wasn about like, I do recall that wasn about 11 o’clock his time. And it rang and it rang, rang the next day. He

Sean P. Holman (1h 19m 56s):

Goes, you left a message for us. Sorry. That was rare. We just caught him on an off night. That’s all. Well,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 20m 1s):

We thought tonight he was boning. You know what? I Mean like, we just thought he was

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 5s):

I. Mean. I don’t think of Jordan like that. you And. that was all you,

Daniel (1h 20m 8s):

You caught me at just the right time. I was just about to doze off. So you, that wasn perfect timing, dude.

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 13s):

We got him right after his evening poopy and right before he went to bed. The best part is now he’s all pumped up. He’s not gonna go to bed. Yeah. You know, he can sleep and you know where he’s going, staring at the ceilings. He’s gonna walk in the park and sit on the park bench and stay awake for a while and watch, watch, watch the pigeons and gone watch the moon moonrise or something. All right brother. I’ll go over there. Good, good to chat with you.

Daniel (1h 20m 31s):

Oh, it’s always good to hear from you guys, man. I, I miss you guys so much. And Sean, I really hope that you get to make it this time

Sean P. Holman (1h 20m 37s):

Because now wait, Jordan, I’ve got Jordan, Jordan Jordan Jordan Jordan. I’m gonna give you a tip here. A friendly tip. Just the tip though. What you got? If you just, the tip that’s disgusting. If you, if you book his flight for him, he will attend. I’m just saying if you, if you say, hey, give me your driver’s license, your Delta frequent flyer info, and you book the freaking ticket, the dude will attend. But if you leave him to his own devices, it’s 50 50. I would agree with that. It’s 50 50 if left my own device. No, listen, it’s in my calendar, so I’m gonna move the odds to 70 30. Just don’t, not great. No, listen,

Daniel (1h 21m 15s):

It, it’s a good thing. It’s a good thing that I bought the package for the Frontier Airlines for the chief flights. So you’re good.

Sean P. Holman (1h 21m 21s):

You’ll be fine. Frontier. Yeah, I’m definitely not going there. No, I wouldn’t go either. Listen, any, anything that has an engine cowl with like animals on it is not, you know, they’re not in a serious airline. The, the, the things that are inside the tube shouldn’t be on the outside of the tube. If I’m like, oh, I’m gonna be on the, the wild animal flight. Yeah, no thanks. It’s just like Spirit Airlines are like, Hey, we’re a cheap ass airline written on their engines. You’re going, yeah, no, no, just gimme a regular old mainline airline that takes off and lands safely. It’s like 40 bucks more And, I get, you know, a water and some sun chips. And I’m happy like don don’t require much.

Daniel (1h 21m 57s):

I I freaking love you guys.

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 0s):

Well dude, we, we gotta drink bourbon together ’cause it’s been a while. And And I gotta tell you, I have gotten into some good stuff lately. and I, every time I have something good, I always say, ah, maybe I should, I should text you with a photo and I remember that you’ll text me and I’ll do me about five to one and then I just don’t do it because I’m like, I just

Daniel (1h 22m 18s):

Listen. I will roll out the full-blown red carpet for you. I will bring down some of my best bottles, all the will it purple tops, the old car, whatever you want, man. I got you. And I’ll hook you up with a 50th anniversary for drone. So,

Sean P. Holman (1h 22m 33s):

Oh dude, that’s a, that’s a mighty, that’s a mighty good one. Dude. I’ve been, you know what I’ve been loving lately that are so hard to find is Liga Bravada, T 50 twos and and Nasty Friis. Oh my God, that’s my new favorite, like porch smoked cigar. Oh, anybody who’s listening right now, if you love a good dark Maduro style cigar and if you know anything about Drew Estate, they’re like killing it with cigars right now. Like every other brands are off the hook. But they’ve these, what did you say Drew a drew estate state. They’ve got a brand called Estate Liga Bravada. And there’s what’s called, and I shouldn’t say this on the air because they’re already freaking hard enough to find all you people are gonna start looking for ’em. I had to buy my last box from Hong Kong. That’s how hard they are to find. Anyway, so they got the league of bravado number nine and the T 52, T 52 I absolutely adore.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 16s):

But they have this one called A Nasty Frees and looks like little, you

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 20s):

Know what you’re

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 20s):

Doing right now, hold on just Hold on a second, lemme tell my story. And then you can, but in with your Lightning ness, it’s like a little megaphone, right? A little triangular shaped thing. But what they do is they take the trimmings or the cuttings from the T 52 and the number nine and make this little cigar called a nasty friis. It’s oily, it’s smokes like a freight train. There’s there hints a coffee, cocoa leather. And it is one of the most just sublime porch smokes you’ll ever have. So there’s my, there’s my pro tip to you guys. I’ve been really loving that. Oh, by the way, I all

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 23m 53s):

I can hear, all I can hear is I’m spending money when I should be making truck. Show Podcast T-shirts.

Sean P. Holman (1h 23m 58s):

I didn’t say I spent that recently. cause I, I’m,

Daniel (1h 23m 59s):

It’s good money to spend. You only lay once there, Jay. Come on.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 3s):

You know what would be spending good money is opening up that birthday bourbon with me. That would be spending lots of good money.

Daniel (1h 24m 9s):

There we go. Let’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 10s):

Do that. you, I haven’t had the birthday bourbon. I keep hearing how good it is and it’s like, man, so

Daniel (1h 24m 13s):

Well it depends which year you get Yeah. I think like 20 28, 20 18 or 2019 was was like the last of the two good years. Ooh. Didn’t anything past past 21 is just kind of water.

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 27s):

All right, well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 28s):

Then, so give me the crappy stuff and I won’t know the difference. And you guys, well here down the 18 and

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 32s):

19. So I love the, I love Angel’s Envy. I love Angel’s Envy Rye. That’s like one of my go-tos. And they had that Angel’s Envy. Oh yeah. Ice cider. and I thought that was gonna be, I have that amazing. And It was just, okay. I still love Rye. It’s just a great for the price. I don’t think you can Better glass. So good. Are

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 47s):

We still talking about bourbon,

Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 48s):

I. Mean. Jordan and I are, yes. ’cause we’re gonna bond over it in Florida when I see him, it’s in my calendar. Oh man.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 53s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 24m 54s):

All right brother. Yep.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 24m 55s):

All right. Fl truck guys, register your truck. Get you your tickets now. ’cause this thing, this one will probably sell out.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 2s):

It will sell out. Especially now. This

Daniel (1h 25m 4s):

Is gonna be a good one for sure.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 5s):

Yeah. Alright, Jordan, go to bed. Goodnight all buddy.

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 7s):

See ya.

Daniel (1h 25m 8s):

Love you guys. All

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 9s):

Right. Later. Love you mate it.

Daniel (1h 25m 11s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 12s):

Alright, we go from a future event to a past event. Now, Holman, you joined the Banks Friends and family event about two weeks ago, two Saturdays ago. And it originally, that wasn gonna be for like 170 employees at Banks for their friends and

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 27s):

Family. It, it ended up being for a thousand people and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 29s):

It ended up being for many more than that. that wasn

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 32s):

Quite a bit of people that wasn actually really well done. So I think I said this on the last show. Kudos to you and the, the Banks team that wasn very cool seeing how many disparate vehicles had Banks product on ’em.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 25m 42s):

Yeah. that wasn Wild from a, a big turbo Volkswagen bug all the way on up. All the way up to a ginormous lifted dually. Yes. So you and everything in between

Sean P. Holman (1h 25m 51s):

You guys asked me if I’d be willing to walk around and do some internal videos for Banks and stuff. But then I had a really actually pretty cool off the cuff conversation with Gail himself that you guys turned into its own standalone piece that you launched out on the interwebs. And so we can share that here on The Truck Show Podcast if you want. Yeah, sure. I think that’d be cool. I was fortunate enough to be invited to the bank’s headquarters in Aze of California where Gale Banks was hosting a friend and family event. They had trucks, Jeeps race cars and activities to keep everyone entertained. But I think the biggest thrill is being able to talk shop with Gale himself. Alright, so here we are inside bank’s power at the bank’s summer 2023 open house.

Sean P. Holman (1h 26m 34s):

And we’re just gonna wander around, find some people, find some great products, and maybe even find the man himself. What do you say? Let’s go find Gale. Look, it’s Gale Banks the one and only. Yeah. So you’re throwing this 2023 summer shindig here at the Banks campus. Yes. Last year just celebrated 60 years in business.

15 (1h 27m 2s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 3s):

65 years in business.

15 (1h 27m 5s):

1958 to 2023.

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 7s):

So how long have you been at this facility?

15 (1h 27m 9s):

80. Since 83. So do the math. 40 years, huh?

Sean P. Holman (1h 27m 14s):

So where are we standing right now?

15 (1h 27m 16s):

We’re in north engineering. This is kind of the electronics area, but a lot of hot test happens up here. Chassis Dino is outside. There are two engine Dinos to our back here. And we have three more engine Dinos in Banks Tech where we build the military engines. As we develop electronics, we want a live test at the street is not always friendly. Conducive. Yeah, yeah. Or the weather’s not conducive or the wind is, and it screws up your reading. So we duplicate the street on the chassis dyna and it’s repeatable there. And you can control the weather, weather condition.

15 (1h 27m 56s):

There’s no windy aspect to it. The dyno adds in that drag and it does it the same every time. The the normal arrow on a still day that you might have. So I’m real happy, you know that it’s a double absorber mustang that we’ve been running. You can run a soft Bonneville car on it. You, you can run up to 200 miles an hour when

Sean P. Holman (1h 28m 18s):

You have had it calibrated versus Oe DNOs that are other places in the country. So you know exactly how reliable and accurate. It’s

15 (1h 28m 26s):

Fancy Dino it that wasn kind of a Ford thing. Ford got a little W war, a horsepower war. They’re still in a horsepower war with Cummins and Duramax and came out with a soft tuneup. This is years ago, you may remember this. And then Duramax came out with their power number and beat ’em. But Ford had one, you know, a hole card. And so they come out with a, a more aggressive tune. Somebody, a journalist, I can’t remember his name, it’s years ago, came out here And. he was working with Fords. We ran the original tune. He took the truck to the dealership, came back And.

15 (1h 29m 7s):

we ran the hot rod tune so to speak. And our numbers were within two horsepower Ford. So I went, you know what, we’re looking pretty good. Yeah. Our engine Dino was a similar deal. We did a comparison with Cummins.

Sean P. Holman (1h 29m 20s):

Well and behind you right now you have all these engines that have Banks products. You’ve been talking to people all day. You’ve got employees that are here. You’ve got former employees that are here. You’ve got friends, fans of the brand, people coming up and saying hi. Yeah. What’s, what is today all about and what does it mean to you after 65 years of business? Well,

15 (1h 29m 37s):

I tell you what, this is where everybody gets to rock their stuff that works here. This is what I do. Show the family. Yeah. We like to do stuff like this. You know, we do food truck Friday once a month where all everybody assembles And. we talk it out and have have chow and what have you. But we like to do things that involve the people that work here. And it’s just part of saying we value you being here.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 6s):

Yeah. I, Mean. You probably wouldn’t have gotten this far without all the great people that have collaborated worked with you over the years. And it’s amazing to see some of the old faces. I, Mean, there’s people here with you. Well over 30 years.

15 (1h 30m 17s):

You know what, you can have a facility. We have a pretty nice facility. We have pretty nice equipment. But unless you have people that can come in and design the stuff on the computer, fab the stuff in the fab shop machine, the stuff in the machine shop, bend the tubing, do all the stuff.

Sean P. Holman (1h 30m 34s):

And you’re doing all that right here in Azua, California.

15 (1h 30m 37s):

Yeah. And And, we, you know, I’m trying to keep everything in the United States. Yeah. Some of the stuff we’re, we’re doing in the Midwest. So we supply a lot of engines currently to Oshkosh truck for the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle program. We’ve done about 22,000 Banks Duramax engines. And, we just won the, the second contract against Cat. So that’ll be till 24 to 20, 34, 10 years. Wow. Worth of engines. And. we had to kind of do battle with Cadillac, a cat, Cadillac, cats, caterpillars. Right. Sales engineers.

15 (1h 31m 18s):

So I put my sales hat on, went back back and did a contrast for the Army. It’s pretty

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 23s):

Nice when the guy who has his name on the building is the same guy shows. Yeah. Right. Yeah.

15 (1h 31m 28s):

But you know, I enjoy showing up. Yeah, I know you do. Well I’m 80 years old. What the hell am I doing here? Why am I not kicked back in The Bahamas or something? well, I can’t drink that much. Let’s start there. I can’t spend all day booing it. I’m a hit one and I’m done for the day. But this stuff, if you keep learning, you don’t get old. Right. And I get to hang with people Exactly like you. Yeah. So I Mean, it’s just how it is. I love this. Doing this.

Sean P. Holman (1h 31m 57s):

What does it mean to you as long as you’ve been around. Yeah. See the company grow, the diversity of product. I Mean, you started with a very different product than what you offer today because the industry and technology has evolved and you’ve evolved with it. Exactly. But to see all these people who showed up because they’re fans of what you did, they’re, they’ve got products on their vehicle that has your name on it. Yeah. And your name means something in the industry. I think that’s, that’s can’t be understated

15 (1h 32m 25s):

I. think the history of what we’ve done. You know, we, I had all my heroes when I started out 1958. One of ’em, two of ’em are still out there. Alex Exus and Ed Arian both over a hundred. Both over a hundred. I went to ike’s hundred and second birthday what? 10 days ago. Yeah. And he’s lucid and with it I Mean. Good god. He’s the first guy to ever sponsor me. Cam and Kit. And I’ve watched the industry change, you know, we didn’t touch Diesel till 1978. So 20 years in. Yeah. and I wouldn’t have touched Diesel at that point except GM gave me these pre-production six two Diesel engines and said, can you make a marine engine outta one of these?

15 (1h 33m 8s):

Put some turbos. And they sent us a couple of pre-production pickups with the engines as well to support a Pontiac Firebird thing I was doing with Pontiac And. we soon learned they were gutless and when we tried to try to put a couple of turbos and make them competitive as a hot boat motor, they, they didn’t take the joke. Yeah. But we found a point where they were really serviceable and the turbo versus no turbo less smoke and better fuel economy and lower exhaust temperatures. Everything

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 41s):

Gets, people don’t realize

15 (1h 33m 42s):

Everything gets positive.

Sean P. Holman (1h 33m 44s):

You beat the industry with the first turbo charged Diesel pickup truck in a dealership

15 (1h 33m 49s):

That Yes, we beat, we beat And. we did. We did a lot of work with John Rock when he was running GMC and one of the programs other than the cyclone, two years at Bonneville running that program, the engine plant at More Ohio, which was a, that wasn and is a great group of people. Probably the highest quality engine plant in the corporation is the DMAX plant today. Same people. They were down to 17% capacity. ’cause in 83 Ford came with the six nine International Harvester Engine. Yeah. And everybody gravitated towards that. And pretty soon after a few years of bringing out the same sheet metal with the same engine, the press wasn’t paying any attention to them GM.

15 (1h 34m 36s):

So we used to have the International Truck Show in Anaheim. I get a call from Rock And. he says, Hey, I’m gonna be out for the truck show. How about we have breakfast? I want pitch a couple of things to you. So we had breakfast And. he told me, Hey, I either closed down this engine plant or find another, you know, and find another Diesel source, which there aren’t any because he’d sniffed out the deal with Chrysler Corporation in Cummins. Yeah. And. he said the only logical thing is do something with the present product that’ll attract the press And. he says, you’ve been turbocharging these things since 82, since the first truck came out.

15 (1h 35m 17s):

We know And, we don’t feel you in our warranty expense. That was a huge compliment. I knew then I did it right. You know. And I said, okay, what what do you propose? He says, well I, if, if you will warrant your turbo system and your instrumentation exhaust and all that, we’ll warrant the truck and we’ll sell ’em out of our dealerships. Of which they had 2,500. So one year before the Dodge Cummins came out, the Banks Turbo six two was out there. So that was insane. We only did it with GMC. The sales were fantastic. We set up working with the, some of the rinky family in Detroit area, an install facility run by the Reikis in Almont, Michigan and an impound yard.

15 (1h 36m 7s):

So they built the, the trucks and the suburbans in Flint. Flint assembly. They sent ’em horizontally across the map to us. The Reikis put our stuff on and I said, you gotta inspect the whole truck. If anything’s wrong with that truck when it goes to the dealer, they’ll blame the turbo. Yeah. You know, it could be the windshield wipers, they’ll blame the freaking turbo power door locks, whatever. Oh it’s a turbo. People didn’t understand it. So what really was beneficial was we got a lot of press.

16 (1h 36m 36s):

We’d have a hard time getting along without our Chevy Suburban. It’s roomy efficient and comfortable. Plus its Diesel engine delivers the fuel economy that we need on our long highway hauls. It’s only drawback is that its Diesel isn’t as quick as a gasoline engine. There is, however, a solution, an aftermarket system is now available that can turn a Diesel suburban into the biggest hot rod in the neighborhood. You can buy the turbo system over the counter at any of 600 Gale Banks dealers. And if you’re considering a new suburban, the conversion is a factory option available at 2,500 GMC truck dealers,

15 (1h 37m 14s):

And that went all the way through GM introducing the six five. And they, the early six fives weren’t turboed either. And ultimately they were. And then motor Trend Magazine, I’d never seen trucks. And MotorTrend up to that point did a test of the Dodge Cummins, the six five I. think the Ford was in there and ours And, we outperformed I. think we outperformed all of them. We didn’t have the best fuel economy. But it’s like, yeah, what the hell it that wasn close.

Sean P. Holman (1h 37m 50s):

So you own multiple patents. You started a cottage industry of Diesel performance to see where it’s gone today. I, Mean, all that came out of, you know, basically taking a lump of an engine from an OE and making it worth something. Yes.

15 (1h 38m 4s):

Yeah. And you talk about the patents, you know, that’s 40 years ago, 41 years ago. Patents I did then have run their course. Yeah. and I don’t have them. But I keep doing new ones. That’s the other thing that keeps me young is I continue

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 20s):

To think about You’ve gotten several in just the last year. Yeah.

15 (1h 38m 22s):

Yeah. In in electronics and I. I’m coming back into the oil system. I’m doing a general, I have a patent on a new way to control oil in the crank case. Instead of impact profile scrapers, all that jive, I do it. Passive drops, aeration drops, oil temp picks up a little horsepower. Which is the horsepower that was being used to slam the oil into stuff. Now I’m doing a second generation, the patent hasn’t run out, but she, I can’t turn it off. You know.

Sean P. Holman (1h 38m 57s):

Well, I I think it keeps you young. It’s great to see the company. A lot of companies get to a point they rest on their laurels. Yeah. You have absolutely continued to innovate. So congratulations on the success of the company over the years.

15 (1h 39m 8s):

I want to, I wanna make something absolutely clear. To the extent I, can I get the young, younger guys involved in the patent process? ’cause when I finally don’t show up anymore,

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 22s):

They need another 20 years. Probably. They need

15 (1h 39m 23s):

To carry the fricking flag. I hope I can do 20. Yeah. You know, it’s don. Don’t think it’ll be a physical thing. I think it’ll be a mental thing.

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 31s):

Don don’t know. You’re you’re pretty sharp. I know a lot of 40 year olds that aren’t as sharp as you are. Well, thanks. Including myself. Oh yeah. Right. Well we really appreciate your time. We’re gonna go check out the rest of the show. Thanks for inviting us in and sharing a little bit about the, the history of the company and your, your passion for the automotive industry. It’s

15 (1h 39m 51s):

My pleasure.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 53s):

Hey Holman, do we have time to get to some five star hotline

Sean P. Holman (1h 39m 56s):

I? think we always have time for five star hotline.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 39m 58s):

Alright. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5

4 (1h 40m 4s):

Oh come on. Part of the show. The five star hotline. s The Hotline. Hotline.

17 (1h 40m 21s):

Hey, Lightning Holman, it’s Brandon, your rural delivery correspondent. Just giving you a call. Thank you so much for thinking. I’m about delivery guys with that for transit story. I did have one thing about that. Typically our deliveries are like six to 10 seconds. That’s putting the vehicle in park.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 45s):

I feel like we owe our audience that are just tuning in now an explanation of, of this story here. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 40m 51s):

We talked about a delivery technology that Ford was implementing or talking about. Did a patent on, I can’t remember, for Ford of Europe, for the transit and so, so it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 40m 59s):

Gonna speed up deliveries,

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 0s):

Right? Yeah. And you were saying that wasn it

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 2s):

So the door’s gonna open faster whenever I think so what? And then

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 4s):

It lock when you’re not there. You thought that wasn bogus. So this was, I still bog obviously a listener who is a, our delivery correspondent is gonna set you straight.

17 (1h 41m 12s):

Hopping out, grabbing the package, delivering it, taking a photo, hopping back in the truck and then putting it back in drive. Takes about six to 10 seconds. So 20

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 21s):

Seconds. Hold on a second pause, I want you to understand what six seconds is like. So we’re gonna start right now.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 30s):

My wife knows exactly what

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 31s):

Success like. Alright, let’s do 10 seconds. Ready and go.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 41m 34s):

1001, 1002, 1003, 1004, 1005, 1006.

Sean P. Holman (1h 41m 44s):

So anyway, in about that time he has I was pretty accurate. Wasn’t parked. No you weren’t, but I was gonna out. You really? Okay. He was going to park, grab a package, drop it off, take a photo, get back in, drive to the next stop. That’s a lot of stuff in that amount of time. Yeah. Although you are good at providing a lot of stuff in a short amount of time. That’s what she said.

17 (1h 42m 5s):

So, 22nd savings from the Ford Transit van because of hitting the brake or locking the other doors. I I think there’s some good stuff within that, but there’s, there’s some other, other things that they can be doing to promote efficiency. But I, Mean, keep, keep on keeping on. Thanks for thinking about us and I’m sure we’ll cross some good stories about delivering and trucks and all that type of jazz. Anyway, five stars, those parameters and keep on Truckin guys.

18 (1h 42m 43s):

Five star review, five star master

19 (1h 42m 47s):

Monitor key engine parameters.

Sean P. Holman (1h 42m 51s):

Brandon, call back anytime if you have delivery stories. And this goes for anybody listening. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. We wanna hear your stories, your stories of trials and triumphs and deliveries.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 3s):

End code Brown while delivering.

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 5s):

No, that’s a particular package. Deliverer

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 43m 8s):

6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5.

17 (1h 43m 11s):

Hey guys, it’s Ryan here. Again, love your show. I just listened to the recent show from August 1st. I guess it’s, that was yesterday’s first show anyway. Yeah, love your show to

Sean P. Holman (1h 43m 28s):

He does. He called right back. You know, we have to leave that in here, right? Yeah. Of course. All let’s get to his actual Hey

17 (1h 43m 33s):

Guys, Ryan here. I just listened to your latest show. It’s the Hot Shot Secrets and I Swear by that stuff. I have 2005 six liter Ford that I bought as a non-running truck. and I put a brand new crate engine in it from Ford with all of the, the Banks getting stuff on there. Exhaust intake, air charger and I. Run the 60 eliminator in the oil with Zo and I. Put the hot shot field treatment in every tank, every single tank. and I. Love that stuff. Good stuff. I. think I’m gonna start putting it in the Peterbilt actually.

17 (1h 44m 14s):

So good show. Love you guys. Keep up. Good work man. Have a great day.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 20s):

Right on. Thanks Ryan.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 21s):

Thank you very much. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Guys, seriously, it’s, it’s a, we love hearing from you. It’s kind of cool. Like this is one sided, like it’s just ho and I are sitting in a fricking pod shed the back of his house yapping at each other.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 34s):

It’s like talking to a wall. So it’s nice when the wall talks back, although it’s weird. It

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 44m 37s):

Is a little weird, but no, we love it. So please do. We here, 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5. Get anything you want off your chest. If you have a question about what’s suspension you need, what tires you should be putting on that Ford F-150 that doesn’t get moed. You know what I’m saying? Like burning, burning questions.

Sean P. Holman (1h 44m 52s):

I, I love our listener from a few weeks ago. He was talking about delivering at the soybean plant for, you know, fuels and what that wasn like to be driving in the middle of the night. And we’ve had truckers call us from, you know, the, the dead of night crossing multiple states. We had that one guy who went like cross country and called us every time we hit a state line. We have listeners who are delivery drivers. You’re using a truck every day and you got a cool story to tell or just something interesting that we don’t know the nuance to your job. We don’t even think about like half the stuff that you maybe have to tell us about it. Share it with your truck show brethren.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 45m 23s):

And I’d like to know about your truck. Do you have a truck that you’re particularly fond of? Or have you owned a truck that you just couldn’t sell fast enough? You hated it,

Sean P. Holman (1h 45m 33s):

Whatever it is. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5.

17 (1h 45m 37s):

Hello Lightning Holman. This is Justin Cox from Cuco. I keep calling and not leaving my name. I’ve called a couple times last time I called about the family story with great grandparents and the travel all and the Airstream. I was just listening to your most recent episode asking for people to call in. And then I was listening to episode 1 54 trying to catch up and was listening about Land Cruisers. And it made me think of an awesome truck I saw at our local yearly car show. It’s called the Chico Concords gon, even though they let anyone in with rat rods or anything And, I’ll, I’ll follow up with an email for that car show to put it on your events page.

17 (1h 46m 22s):

But anyway, I was at that car show last year with my family and I was walking by this old Ford F1 I. think that wasn a 49. And as I’m walking by I’m like, wow, there’s something weird about this. It has like that wasn four Wheel drive, which first of all that wasn rare, but it didn’t look like the typical like high high boy style or like napco four Wheel drive. And so I get closer to it and I see that the front is IS and it’s six log. And I’m like, what? What’s going on? And as I’m walking around the hood, I hear the owner say, this is what you’re really not gonna believe. And. he pops the hood and it has a Toyota straight six Turbo Diesel out of one of the old land cruisers that we couldn’t get in the US had I.

17 (1h 47m 10s):

think it’s like the FC CJ 80 Diesel engine. And then he put the body on a nineties Toyota truck frame and drivetrain like my 90 pickup that I own. It was just a rad truck. His buddy who was a like an airline mechanic wired it for him. So all the, all the fuses were in line and the wiring was absolutely gorgeous and he painted it himself. So it wasn’t like super, super pretty, but It was just like a reliable 49 Ford that he could drive coast to coast and find parts for super rad truck. Love the show. Keep it up.

17 (1h 47m 50s):

Sorry about the beeping, I was work truck. Talk to you later. Bye

Sean P. Holman (1h 47m 55s):

Dude. Right on. and I believe on those, it’s a I think it’s an H DJ 80 designates the, the Diesel engine on those. So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 5s):

Thank you for the call. Appreciate it. 6 5 7 2 0 5 61 0 5 is the five star hotline. Five star,

20 (1h 48m 11s):

Five star, five star

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 14s):

Hotline. Alright, lighting. Before you hit the jingle and end the show, we got to remind our listener to head on over to truck Show Podcast dot com where you can click on the events calendar and you can see all the events that have been submitted. We’ve got,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 26s):

You see that I dropped a couple new ones in. Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 28s):

There are. and I actually have three or four coming up for you that I need to send you. But we’ve got the no BSS OBS truck show coming up in

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 36s):

That’s a great name by the way. That’s

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 37s):

A great name. Power Land Heritage Park. So where is that?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 41s):

It says if you click on it, I don’t recall. It’s somewhere back east

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 44s):

Just someplace.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 45s):

No, I all the info’s in there. You just gotta click into the button. All right.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 48s):

I I don’t know where it’s at. So, but you can go to our website if you’re curious enough to find out. Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 48m 54s):

Wait, when you says get tickets, click on the button right there.

Sean P. Holman (1h 48m 57s):

I I got it. But I have to do other ones. Like September 5th through ninth, you’ve got the Bronco super celebration West somewhere. Buena Vista Rodeo Center. So I’m guessing that’s Colorado. September 8th through the 10th you got the Lifted Truck Nationals, the Mid-America Outdoors from September 16th and 17th. You got the Grand National Truck Show. You got the Grand National Truck Show in Pomona. Fairplex, that’s local here.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 19s):

Yes. And. we have been asked to attend that as like VIPs.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 23s):

Who’s we?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 24s):

You and me.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 25s):

By who?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 26s):

By my buddy Chris, who is like a partner in that event.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 31s):

Well you should email me about that. And he get

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 33s):

On the calendar, by the way. He lives in Huntington like two blocks

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 35s):

In. Why, why doesn’t he come here and talk about it?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 37s):

That’s a great idea. We should have him on Why, why wouldn’t think about it. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 41s):

He’s my

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 49m 41s):

Neighbor. Chris, you know Chris, he used to work at Toyo back in the day

Sean P. Holman (1h 49m 44s):

Maybe. All right, well have him come to punch it all. Got got it. All right. All right. How about September 21st through 24th? It’s the eighth annual 70 series Land Cruiser meet and greet, which is awesome out at Wind Rock Park. And last but not least, September 29th and 30th, we’ll do it for September. That’s the C 10 Nationals in Nashville at the Nashville Super Speedway. So information on all those events are online at truck Show Podcast dot com and please send us your event truck Show Podcast at And. we will put it up on our event calendar.

4 (1h 50m 17s):

The truck show. The truck show. The truck show,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 23s):

Right? He’s at Sean. P Holman. I’m at lbc Lightning on the gram. You can email us. I’m Lightning at truck Show Podcast dot com. He’s Holman at truck Show Podcast dot com. And, we already gave out the main Gmail, so if if there’s someone you think we should have on the show, don’t forward it to us because we have way too many guests lined up

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 43s):

Or, or email us and don’t put it into our, our social. Did you see the message that now plays for anybody who tries to contact us on social? No. You didn’t see I changed

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 50m 55s):

It? No.

Sean P. Holman (1h 50m 56s):

Oh, this is, this is awesome. Alright, so now if you go to Truck Show Podcast on Instagram. Yeah. And you try and send us a message,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 51m 5s):

You, it’s automated. So it’s like an auto reply

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 7s):

That wasn Yeah. that wasn already automated. But the reply was something that was like, thank you for calling us at such a thing. And I’m like, well, that, that doesn’t work for me. So now this is what you get. Hi, thanks for contacting The Truck Show Podcast. We assure you that we’ve received your message, but Lightning and Holman are as awful at responding here as they are podcasting. If you require a more immediate response or are submitting events, know your notes or suggestions, please shoot us an email at truck Show Podcast at That’s the perfect response. That’s the response on Instagram and Facebook now. So that is

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 51m 39s):

Outstanding. Look, ’cause

Sean P. Holman (1h 51m 40s):

I want people to stop messaging us there. ’cause I, I’ll go for my, you know, a really good constitutional where I have extra time to look at extra things and go, oh, I haven’t seen anything, you know, from our mail in a while. And then I’ll go, there’s 47 messages and there’s all these people who are like, oh dude,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 51m 56s):

You guys have been need, want this or whatever. We, we don’t do enough on Facebook, we just don’t. We don’t. And And, we know you guys are there. I’m on there, I’m on Facebook

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 6s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 6s):

Day when I say all day I Mean all day. But I’m there for work and I’m there a little bit for personal and then at the end I have no time for, for TSP. Right? So we don’t have, we need to hire, I need to get like Steven from work or something just to help help a brother out. Yeah. Like we need, we like, he needs to sort through and go, Hey, you guys need to address this question and this question. Call these Facebook. Yeah. Oh,

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 27s):

It’s crazy. We’ll get there. You know what we need to do?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 28s):

We’re sorry. We need to admin one of our great listeners to help us run the Facebook page. That’s what my old Kevin and be morning crew used to do. Do

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 36s):

You think they would pay us to do it?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 38s):


Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 39s):

Find somebody to pay us to be part of our show?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 42s):

No, they gotta pay us. Oh well

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 44s):

I Mean. Seriously. that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 45s):

You, does anybody out there have like a time time or, or maybe you’ve got like a 18-year-old son that’s looking for a, like a quote unquote internship where we could give him, we’ll give him a T-shirt, fake

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 55s):

Credit and a sticker.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 52m 56s):

No, let’s give ’em some fake school credit. I’m

Sean P. Holman (1h 52m 59s):

Saying. Oh yeah, yeah. Or it could be real school credit if they accept it from us.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 53m 3s):

No, they’re not gonna accept from us. We’re a bunch of

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 5s):

Yahoos. That’s true. Yeah. Alright. Well the it is what it is. We’ll, we’ll do our best with what we got.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 53m 12s):

It is, it doesn’t have to be. It is what it is. We can

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 14s):

Get help, but, but it, we can’t, we have

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 53m 16s):

Thousands and thousands of listeners, one of them somewhere in the country, they don’t wanna work

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 20s):

For us.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 53m 20s):

We’ll, we’ll say I’ll be in that I don don’t

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 22s):

Wanna work page. No, no, no. They, they just wanna listen. They want weekly entertainment or to yell at the radio and wonder why they tune in every week. But we appreciate each and every one of you.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 53m 33s):

Well, I wanna meet the guy? I wanna meet the guy that’s actually put a hole in his dashboard because he’s pounded it so hard yelling at us.

Sean P. Holman (1h 53m 41s):

Well that guy, if he had a Nissan Titan or Frontier would not have that problem because I hear their dashboards are hu from solid blocks of granite. Oh really? So if you wanna truck that is so durable that it is as tough as a rock, it’s bend off fist. That’s right. You wanna head on over to Nissan or you could build a price you Frontier or Titan and head on down to your local dealership. You can see ’em in person and tell them that The Truck, Show Podcast sent you where people will quizzically look at you and hopefully go, well that sounds cool. I’ll listen too.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 54m 10s):

And if you’re looking for 50 state emissions compliant performance parts,

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 14s):

You know I am,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 54m 15s):

One of the spots you need to check is Banks If you’re looking for a set of 7.5 liter Gasser headers, maybe four liter for your Jeep man, you gotta go over to Banks, type in your year, make and model And. that way when you bolt the headers onto your truck and you go get ’em Smugged, you’re gonna pass

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 35s):

And you need wheels and tires, you know, you do. At least you want ’em. Even if you got a brand new rig, you’re looking at your stockers going, man that looks weak. Unless it’s some rad truck. And even then it’s still not as cool as an aftermarket set of wheels and tires. And frankly, it’s hard to find somebody that has all the bitch and sizes. No, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 54m 51s):

Wheel Wheel tires. No it’s not. Well not

Sean P. Holman (1h 54m 53s):

If you know about SD Wheel dot com. So SD Wheel dot com has the largest selection of in-stock wheels and tires. No matter what your bill style is lifted. Lord Carolina Squat, Florida hot or California desert. That works. That works. All right, that works. That works. So no matter what you got, they got you covered. They’ll mount, they’ll balance, they’ll even shipped to you for free. Don’t gloss

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 55m 15s):

Over that. They mount Guys, listen to me. You order the wheels and tires, they mount and balance them and they, they set up your TPMS sensors and then you just literally take ’em outta the shrink, wrap off the pallet, you bolt them under the truck and you burn the pallet in the desert, right.

Sean P. Holman (1h 55m 30s):

And you sell your old stock Wheel Tire set to cover the cost of your beautiful new set. So anyway, skip the tire shop, save yourself hundreds of bucks. Save yourself the hassle your time is worth money. SD Wheel dot com, all the brands, everything you need, check ’em out. And, we wanna hear from you. If you end up using them and getting a set of wheels of tires, hit us up. Truck Show Podcast at

Miles (1h 55m 51s):

Hey guys, I, think this episode was better than last week’s. You actually recorded all of the interviews.

Sean P. Holman (1h 55m 57s):

Well, well that’s, that wasn’t our fault. That was, yeah, it’s a technical difficulty. Right, exactly. Let’s back up. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (1h 56m 5s):

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