Ford Expedition facelift coming, an enthusiast brand just lost its manuals, Ford Maverick competitor drops out, Ford Lightning price cut, Jeep Wagoneer PHEV coming, and the Kenworth SuperTruck II hits 13mpg. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan in association with Banks Power and AMSOIL.


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Sean P. Holman (0s):

Hey. Lighting Have. You Heard.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2s):

Let me think about this for a second. Hmm. I’m gonna go with no

Intro (11s):

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Intro (2m 6s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 7s):

No, I don’t think that I have. So

Sean P. Holman (2m 9s):

It turns out the Ford Expedition is about to get a new facelift. So for 2025 it’s gonna get a significant makeover that

Intro (2m 17s):

Yes, yes.

Sean P. Holman (2m 18s):

Is going to make any expedition fan happy. So I think that you are,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 23s):

Are there expedition fans? Absolutely not

Sean P. Holman (2m 25s):

Aware. Are there? You see those things all over the road. Okay. Families need these things, man. Do

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 30s):

They families need these things. What?

Sean P. Holman (2m 32s):

Do what? Just like they need suburbans.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 34s):

They do These suburbans wagons are way cooler. Way cooler.

Sean P. Holman (2m 38s):

What’s wrong with you?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 39s):

Way cooler.

Sean P. Holman (2m 40s):

Anyway. It’s gonna sport more than just a facelift. There’s new styling, new tail lights. And I would imagine the, the new interior will look a lot closer to the F-150 that’s got the big old screen and all that kind of stuff in it. So if you have been hanging out, waiting for a new expedition, it’s right around the corner.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (2m 58s):

Hmm. Okay.

Sean P. Holman (2m 59s):

Hey, Lighting, Have, You, Heard. No.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 1s):

No. Alright.

Sean P. Holman (3m 2s):

Now lighting. This is not exactly Truck News, but I think it’s something an enthusiast based podcast should be reporting to their people. And that is for 2045. There are no none. Zip, zilch, nada n nine elevens with manual transmissions being offered by Porsche. What?

4 (3m 19s):

9 9 9 9 9?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 21s):

No. What? No nine. None. The quintessential sports car.

Sean P. Holman (3m 27s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 27s):

Not in manual.

Sean P. Holman (3m 28s):

This is the first time in something like, I don’t know, forever. Maybe 60 plus years or something that they haven’t offered a manual transmission. Wow.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 38s):

Do they just not sell?

Sean P. Holman (3m 40s):

No. Porsches have one of the highest take rates of manual transmissions. Yeah. It’s something like 40%, which is massive in the industry.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (3m 48s):

Yeah. That seems like sacrilege at that point. Ferrari’s gonna go electric. ’cause you know what? And oh, you’re gonna follow this up with Lamborghini Hybrid News?

Sean P. Holman (4m 1s):

Nope, I’m not. Okay. ’cause that’s hybrid supercars is coming and it can kind of help a supercar. And that’s not as shocking as Porsche saying, well, we got no manuals. Yeah. Now there’s a lot of people think that they’re not canceled. It seems like there’ll be some manuals coming back. Because. it is a good business case proportion. I think purists will be mad, but for now, no manuals. So what,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 25s):

What do you mean they could be coming back? You lost me. Like they’re either not gonna have them or they are gonna have them. No,

Sean P. Holman (4m 29s):

I, I, I don’t think manuals are dead for sure. Now Porsche, if you wanna shift for yourself, you gotta have the PDK transmission. But I, I don’t think this is the last we’ve heard of three pedals, but the outrage is, is is heavy online? Is it?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 42s):


Sean P. Holman (4m 42s):

Is. Hey, Lighting, Have, You Heard.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 49s):

No, I haven’t, I can’t sit through that one. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (4m 50s):

So according to Motor one Toyota is saying they still are not planning on offering a direct

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 58s):

Manual transmission

Sean P. Holman (4m 59s):

To the Ford Maverick.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (4m 59s):

Oh damn.

Sean P. Holman (5m 1s):

Nothing. How It seems like that was right up Toyota’s market. Like that’s, that’s their people.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 5s):

They’re not going to offer a competitor to the Maverick Ford.

Sean P. Holman (5m 9s):

Just, they’re the people in their offices just said yes.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 13s):

Yes. That’s

Sean P. Holman (5m 14s):

What they said. They, I don’t know if they said it just like that. So it looks like

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 19s):

No, they said,

6 (5m 20s):

Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Although it’s kind of so bad that it’s good in a way. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (5m 28s):

Yeah. I kind of feel like they could do something there. But Hyundai, Santa Cruz seems to be the only Maverick competitor for the time being.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 35s):

It’s not really a competitor. I mean it is technically, but

Sean P. Holman (5m 39s):

It literally is a competitor.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 40s):

I know, but it’s like, it’s not, it’s not cool

Sean P. Holman (5m 42s):

Except literally it’s a competitor. The

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 44s):

Maverick is at least cool. Okay. The Santa Fe. It’s just, it is, it’s a good

Sean P. Holman (5m 48s):

Car. Hey, Lighting, Have, You Heard.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 53s):

No, I have not heard.

Sean P. Holman (5m 54s):

Dude. Ford F-150 Lightning lease deals are out of control. So Ford

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (5m 58s):

Is, lemme guess $199 a month.

Sean P. Holman (6m 1s):

No, I’d have one at that price. No, but they are cutting the prices of up to $15,250 off MSRP. Wait a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 9s):

Minute. You did successive stories? Yeah. Like I would say just before Christmas. Yeah. Where the prices kept going up and up and up

Sean P. Holman (6m 17s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 17s):

And now they’re slashing them. Yep.

Sean P. Holman (6m 19s):

Wow. And says that Ford is offering near 0% interest rates on some of the models. Huh? Dude, that’s, that’s nuts. So check this out. According to the drive, Ford’s got lease rebates of up to $15,250 for the Lightning in 10 of the regions across the country. And so, you know, we just had Memorial Day, right? And so the biggest bump was platinum grades that went from 7,500 to 15,520 off MSRP. Holy

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 46s):


Sean P. Holman (6m 46s):

So if you think about that, a platinum, which starts at 94, 635. Oh dude, I I knew you were

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (6m 53s):

A thousand for an F-150.

Sean P. Holman (6m 56s):

I hadn’t seen that in a while. I forgot like they were that expensive. And seeing that number right here is like crazy. But the discounts would lower the price for that particular vehicle to 79,385.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 7s):

It’s still still

Sean P. Holman (7m 8s):

Expensive. Still the palatable. So you’re not looking at like $300 lease rates, you’re probably looking at $699 or something like that. But they’re looking to offer them for 36 months with really crappy annual cap of 10,500 miles. Yeah. So it seems like that’s the, the big thing right now in the EV space is offering

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 28s):

Low mileage,

Sean P. Holman (7m 28s):

Low mileage leases. ’cause I think they’re hoping that the residuals are high enough when demand picks up over time, that they’ll be able to sell the secondary off lease cars as an alternative to the new EVs coming out in years.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 40s):

Do you want an EV after our like 50, 70,000 miles? Like, well, I’m asking like the battery, okay, will

Sean P. Holman (7m 48s):

Most of the batteries have an eight or a 10 year warranty on ’em?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (7m 51s):

No. No, I’m not saying it’s gonna go bad. But at what point can you only charge to like 70%? No,

Sean P. Holman (7m 56s):

The at that point that I think that battery’s done in the, in the automotive sense. So I don’t know what the particular warranties are where it’s, if the have a number of where it reaches where that battery is is not good. But dude, that’s, that’s just a lot of,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 11s):

Yeah, a lot of chatta, they’re giving away trucks or they were charging way too much for them to begin with. That’s possible too. So

Sean P. Holman (8m 16s):

Some of the major cities that qualify Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, New York, San Francisco, and of course not everybody will get those finance terms because you have to Have You know great credit. I’m sure there’s some sort of like forward, you know, loyalty thing. There’s always tricks. And a lot of the times when you see the lease rates advertised, that’s without taxes. So you gotta add another 10, 12%, whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Got it. So anyway. Alright. Hey, lighting, Have, You, Heard, I said

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (8m 41s):

No. Nope. Uhuh no.

Sean P. Holman (8m 44s):

A report says the Wagoner and Grand Wagoner plugin hybrid vehicles are coming as soon as the 2026 model year. And so it’ll mimic the Ram 1500 Ram charger. And we all knew that the hurricane was designed with electrification as a hybrid in mind. So no shock. But if you want a really big, really luxurious, super awesome cushy couch

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 8s):

And also a little complicated

Sean P. Holman (9m 10s):

And better if fuel economy, then you might wanna wait till 2026 to pick yourself up a wagging.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 15s):

I was watching a, a short from a mechanic the other day about the wagoner and he had to replace a, the, the rear air conditioning

Sean P. Holman (9m 24s):

Controls. Oh. The one where he pulled the whole dash apart.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (9m 25s):

Oh my lord. He had to pull the whole truck. The interior all had to come out like it was crazy. It’s like just replace this one tiny little part. Yeah. The interior had to come out. Oh, it looked like a mess.

Sean P. Holman (9m 36s):

Oh yeah. Well hey did you see that that Jeep teased the Wagoner S electric vehicle? Nope. Yeah. So there’s a video where they teased it and they’re saying zero to 60 faster than the Tesla model Y. So in this new ad that just dropped, they basically put it up against a Tesla model Y performance and then a Jeep Grand Cherokee Track hawk, and of course the Wagoner S one because why are you gonna market it if it didn’t? Right? So

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 5s):

You’re saying that it’s gotta be quicker than like a 4 1 4 2, something like that.

Sean P. Holman (10m 11s):

So they’re saying 3.4 seconds. What?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 17s):

I couldn’t have been more wrong in every single way. 3.4 seconds for a Jeep.

Sean P. Holman (10m 22s):

600 horsepower, 617 pound feet of torque in a driving range of over 300 miles. Okay. So looks like this is the electrified version of when the Grand Cherokee Track Hawk went away. This might be for those folks who aren’t looking to mod and just want that ex luxury and and performance. Right. This might be a good option for them. So we’ll see. Okay. Hey Lighting, did you hear?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (10m 49s):

I don’t think so. Tell me the story.

Sean P. Holman (10m 52s):

So we talked about on the last episode a little bit, but Kenworth revealed its super Truck two as a concept 10 wheeler and it’s a diesel hybrid that weighs less and hauls more and gets almost 13 miles per gallon. What? So could you imagine hauling 85,000 pounds down the road and getting the same or better fuel economy than my Wrangler?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 14s):

That’s nuts. And what did most get are like what, 5, 6, 7 miles per gallon is, is

Sean P. Holman (11m 20s):

Around six or seven. Yeah. So anyway, the first super truck one, they wanted to achieve 50% increase in freight efficiency compared to a 2009 baseline vehicle, which was a Kenworth six T six 80 tractor. And then the super truck two, they wanted another 50% over the 2009 floor. So they’re basically saying based on efficient truck from 2009, we wanna do a hundred percent better fuel economy or fuel efficiency or what they call freight efficiency. Which is a different metric than miles per gallon Because it takes They’re

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (11m 52s):

Calculating weight into it. Yeah. Weight, exactly.

Sean P. Holman (11m 53s):

Okay, gotcha. So because a lighter tractor trailer could carry more weight, you know, before reaching the 80,000 pound legal max that’s on the highway, blah blah blah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, Kenworth says it has pulled off 136% better freight efficiency than a 2009 Kenworth Semi. Huh. Which is a lot.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 13s):

And they’re doing this to again, how

Sean P. Holman (12m 14s):

So it’s a diesel with a mild hybrid. So it’s got a 48% improvement in arrow, takes 7,100 pounds out of the tractor trailer so that it can haul more weight. And it says the super truck returns an average of 12.8 miles per gallon, which is a massive number. How

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (12m 32s):

Are they pulling 7,800 pounds out of The truck? It’s not like they’re making it outta carbon fiber, are they?

Sean P. Holman (12m 37s):

Yeah, I I I think that’s absolutely part of it. Oh really? Advanced materials, there’s a new chassis. So it’s narrower in the front and wider in the rear than a traditional semi. So it’s, it’s bullet nosed and the driver sits in the middle like on a Tesla semi and it’s got a 48 volt hybrid system that has a electric starter generator motor and the steering’s electrically assisted and it uses a heat pump for hvac. So there’s no accessory drive on the diesel engine. Everything is is run off of the motor and there’s only one drive axle on the back. It, it doesn’t need a second drive axle because Kenworth was able to take 7,100 pounds outta the curb weight of the tractor trailer combination. And the semi itself is two tons less than a comparable semi from 2009.

Sean P. Holman (13m 23s):

And then they also have a matching trailer and the trailer weighs 3000 pounds less by itself. It still uses a a two axle arrangement. Even though the super truck on only carries 80 gallons of diesel, it can still go the same distance as the traditional semi, which is pretty awesome. So, and then there’s some other stuff. The narrow frame in the front allows for a unique offset Wheel. So they’re under fully enclosed body work.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (13m 47s):

Huh. I wonder if they’re still like super singles? Well, oh I guess so. Only the dump trucks and stuff have super singles. Right? Well

Sean P. Holman (13m 52s):

I don’t know if they could be super singles in the rear, but I’m talking about the front steer. They’re behind fender skirts, but you can do a full turn to lock. Okay. Within the fender skirts. Huh. And then also uses cameras instead of mirrors, which I believe is not approved yet for, for real world use. You

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 8s):

Think they did that for Arrow?

Sean P. Holman (14m 10s):

A hundred percent. Okay. They also have the cab for the driver is also set up differently. So there’s a table and a counter and you can easily stand up in the cab and then there’s a couch that can, that allows for like a Murphy style fold out bed. So you still have the sleeper arrangement. Okay. So nothing that’s gonna come into production anytime soon. But you know, even though we don’t focus on big rigs, I’m al always blown away when one of these super trucks from a manufacturer drops and to see what they’ve done with it because they just think it’s so freaking cool. And by using 10 tires with lower rolling resistance, you don’t need 18. So it reduces fuel maintenance, you know, all those things. So a lot of thought went into this thing and it’s still a diesel truck.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 52s):

Should we interview someone from Kenworth?

Sean P. Holman (14m 54s):

Sure. Find them.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (14m 55s):


Sean P. Holman (14m 55s):

Alright. And last but not least, Ram is Rebadging a Chinese pickup truck? Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 4s):


Sean P. Holman (15m 5s):

For, for sales overseas and they’re calling it the RAM 1200. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 8s):

No, 1200.

Sean P. Holman (15m 10s):

Yeah. So it’s somehow, somehow

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 13s):

It wasn’t big enough for a 1500. It had to be a 12.

Sean P. Holman (15m 16s):

Okay. So, so somehow it is tied to the EO land track and fiat ano. Oh I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 23s):

Love EO.

Sean P. Holman (15m 23s):

And they’re, I guess could be built in China. They’re based on the Chenin ENE F 70 developed by Chenin Automotive. I

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 34s):

Love Chenin Cha actually that F 70 is awesome.

Sean P. Holman (15m 37s):

Chenin automobile, whatever that is. Yeah. And the former PSA group before it merged with, before it merged with FCA to forms stellantis anyway, it’s actually body on frame. It’ll be sold in Mexico but it’s not obviously coming to the US And

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 51s):

So what does it look like?

Sean P. Holman (15m 53s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (15m 53s):

Goofy. Let me see this. That is what’s wrong with the, the nose of it. Well

Sean P. Holman (15m 59s):

They grafted a a, a ram full-size truck grill on a mid-size Chinese pickup truck. Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 3s):

Ram stop it.

Sean P. Holman (16m 5s):

It gets a 2.4 liter gas engine. 207 horse, 236 pound feet of torque, six speed manual or automatic.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 12s):

It looks like an ugly snout doesn’t it? Like that’s weird looking. Just

Sean P. Holman (16m 15s):

Weird looking

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 16s):

That don’t, but Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (16m 17s):

But you love all that weird stuff.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 18s):

Not all of it. Just some You’ll not. This one, not

Sean P. Holman (16m 21s):

Only will you be able to get a manual unlike Porsche, but you get a single or double cab versions and it’s gonna be an,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 27s):

Can you imagine like Porsche people like rebelling by getting this round,

Sean P. Holman (16m 30s):

By buying that in, in the Chinese truck made in Mexico tradesmen Bighorn Laramie. And the maximum low capacity will be 2,645 pounds and should be able to tow almost 7,000 pounds. So that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 42s):

Not bad. The prices

Sean P. Holman (16m 43s):

Starting at 26,600 for body on frame truck. Huh? It’s pretty damn good. It is. Especially you consider the Maverick’s like $400,000 now.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 50s):

Doesn’t matter though. You can’t buy it here.

Sean P. Holman (16m 51s):

Why? Why is the Lightning $50,000 and the Maverick is now $400,000?

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (16m 58s):

That is a weird paradigm shift. Just like, yes. I don’t know.

Sean P. Holman (17m 1s):

Obviously the EV thing’s free falling and everybody wants the cheap Maverick. But now the cheap Maverick’s not the cheap Maverick, the hybrid’s the more expensive maverick and the right and it’s like,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 12s):


Sean P. Holman (17m 12s):

Fully loaded. It’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 13s):

46,000. It all cracks me up. It’s all funny. Like, you know, just we’re in

Sean P. Holman (17m 17s):

Bizaro world.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 18s):

Oh, the, the, this is the

Sean P. Holman (17m 20s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 20s):

Living taking over and then people like us. No, no, no. We’re

Sean P. Holman (17m 23s):

Living in the shell. Well, no, I was gonna say is we’re living in Shelbyville. This is the Shelbyville Simpsons where everybody looks the same but they’re drawn kind of messed up. Yeah. Like that’s where we are right now.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 31s):

That were like, you and I have been doing this show long enough to like it was, we were fearing the dawn of EVs like, or or the, the, the overcoming of these or like the, they were gonna take over and there was nothing we could do about it. And then everyone collectively in America said, wait a minute. Pump the brakes. Pump the

Sean P. Holman (17m 48s):

Brakes. Well there’s a few highly public things that happen like vehicle fires and like that, that winter storm through Texas that took out the power grid. That

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 58s):

That does help

Sean P. Holman (17m 59s):

Because that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (17m 60s):

The case. But, but I think it’s really people collectively, every podcast, every no talk show host, they’re all saying the same thing. Which is logical.

Sean P. Holman (18m 8s):

I know. But that same thing they’re saying is coming from people with experience. That’s what it took. Right. It took enough people with experience, positive or negative to realize, hey, EV’s great here and it’s awful here. And then Jim Farley driving cross country in a Lightning, you know, probably didn’t help that cause ’cause well imagine this A CEO that’s honest about it. That was pretty refreshing, right? That’s true. It’s pretty cool. Listen, I’ve said it before. I’ll say it again. You

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 33s):

Don’t need to see it again. We got it.

Sean P. Holman (18m 34s):

EVs are ev EVs are are great. Alright for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 36s):

A say it again

Sean P. Holman (18m 37s):

For a piece of a piece of the pop. Right. Can’t be everything. I love my Nissan aria man. I love that thing. I got 1200 miles on that thing already.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 45s):


Sean P. Holman (18m 46s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 47s):

You have been driving a lot dude.

Sean P. Holman (18m 48s):

I love that thing. It’s awesome. Oh, it’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 50s):

Perfect. What’s the farthest you’ve gone?

Sean P. Holman (18m 51s):

Palm Springs.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (18m 52s):

Okay, that’s that. So a hundred and just about a hundred miles, right? Yep. Okay. I am interested to see how far you can go with it. Just on E

Sean P. Holman (19m 2s):

So I got down to 8% the other night. Oh that’s pretty low. And it had all sorts of lights going, you know, plug in sucker. Well I’m translating.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 11s):

That would be awesome if Snoop Dogg came out of the, the dashboard says, yo, plug in,

Sean P. Holman (19m 15s):

Suck up. When we had the, when we had the rivian and we were doing rivian across the United States and the Transamerica Trail, we were negative battery territory, we were full zero and it was shutting stuff down. It’s like, oh, now we’re a two Wheel drive. Oh HVAC is being shut down. Oh now we’re, now we’re limiting power. Hey pal, you better find something. And I think we were seven miles past zero or something and it was, and we rolled into the charger like, like just toughing. But it’s bad for the batterie. So like I don’t want to do that to my own car but I You had under 10%

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 42s):

Can you deep cycle a lithium ion battery? You can’t. Right. You just hit zero.

Sean P. Holman (19m 47s):

Well I don’t know what I, yeah, I don’t know what, lemme put it this way. All these vehicle batteries zero’s not really zero. Right. If you look at what Ford advertisers,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (19m 57s):

There’s, there’s a basement. Yeah. If you,

Sean P. Holman (19m 58s):

If you look at what Ford advertisers for the F-150 battery pack size and you put one on the lift, the number on the battery pack itself is way bigger. So they’re, they’re playing that game. There’s always gonna be reserve and they don’t al they don’t want you at zero. So I bet zero is probably really like 10% Okay. Remaining. They just don’t want you to do that. ’cause you’ll roach the battery. And I will say it’s been interesting charging the closest charger would be are 50 kilowatt hours. So it’s like an hour and a half to fully charge. But I found one that’s like three miles further away. That’s 300 kilowatt hour. Dude. Like 30 minutes. Like I’ll just go that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 31s):

You said, how far is it away from you?

Sean P. Holman (20m 32s):

Oh, it’s like probably five miles total. It’s a couple miles past the one I’ve been going to and they have a one 50 kilowatt and a 300 and the aria maxes out somewhere north of one 50. So can’t use all the 300. Okay. But man, you plug that sucker in and it’s like you’re watching the numbers get added back. And the

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 48s):

Difference there is like when I take the diesel truck over to like a big rig station. Yeah. And you get the big like one and a quarter inch.

Sean P. Holman (20m 56s):

Yeah. Nozzle. Nozzle

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 57s):

That’s just like, yeah,

Sean P. Holman (20m 58s):

That’s, that’s

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (20m 59s):

Exactly 30 seconds.

Sean P. Holman (20m 60s):

Oh dude. It’s, it’s, you know, I’ve been going late at night when it’s quiet and I’ll go grab something to eat and I’ll just sit there. I’ll bring my laptop and I’ll plug in ’cause it’s free. Right. So I’ll do my, I’ll do my stuff and then it’s like an hour and a half, you know, I’m not never at zero. Right. And so it’s like an hour and a half outta my day, but I’m, I’m doing something. Then I found this other one and

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 19s):

You were spending an hour and a half at the charging station.

Sean P. Holman (21m 23s):

So the fact that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 24s):

Is stupid.

Sean P. Holman (21m 24s):

The, the, the fast charger is almost four times faster than that. So you’re talking 20, 30 minutes. Still too long. Dude smoke

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 30s):

It. It’s, and it’s going to like light something on fire. It’s so No, I’m the heat energy that’s being created right there. Yeah.

Sean P. Holman (21m 37s):

That’s why you have thermal management. Yeah. It’s crazy. It makes all these clicking noises and does its thing.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 42s):

20 minutes to fill up. Yeah. I go to a diesel station. It was so fast the other night I did 33 gallons in like 45 seconds. You did not

Sean P. Holman (21m 53s):

Do it in 45. Now you’re, now you’re telling fibs. No,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (21m 56s):

I’m, I am fibbing but like it was crazy fast. Some of these pumps, you gotta be careful ’cause when it, like, as it fills up, it’s so much pressure, so much volume coming outta that nozzle. It’ll blow back at you.

Sean P. Holman (22m 6s):

Oh dude. Well listen, sitting in a parking lot charging at night when it’s quiet for an hour is like no big deal considering that if you charge peak at your house in southern California, like, people are like, well what’s your kill? You know, it’s brutal. 37 cents a kilowatt hour. Dude. That’s a lot. Yeah. So I have a

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 24s):

60. It’s gonna cost you more than

Sean P. Holman (22m 25s):

Gas. I have a No, it’s not gonna cost you that. It’s, I have a 66 kilowatt hour battery, which I’m never gonna charge the whole thing. So you’re, you’re looking at 37 cents times a 66 and then you’re like 25 bucks. Okay. So even on the peak peak it’s 25 bucks. Oh

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 39s):

Yeah. I still less or

Sean P. Holman (22m 40s):

I can go get free.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 42s):


Sean P. Holman (22m 43s):

And if I drive two miles further, but

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 44s):

Not everybody’s getting free. You got the special deal ’cause you bought the Nissan deal, but Yeah,

Sean P. Holman (22m 48s):

But Toyota’s offering that, Nissan’s offering that all that stuff. So I’m gonna take advantage of it. Right. So I’ll take free over 25 bucks. But even 25 bucks is not that big of a deal. Yeah.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (22m 56s):

But 25, that’s how much what luckily you can work remotely. What about people who can’t work remotely? They’re taking time outta their day to go, you know, top off their That’s

Sean P. Holman (23m 4s):

What I’m saying. It’s not right for

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 5s):

Everybody. Right. Imagine trying to top off a semi-truck.

Sean P. Holman (23m 8s):

I think my off peak hours, well they’re going to 800 volt architecture. So that’s, that helps that. But I think my off peak is like 24 cents. So that’s $50. So basically a $10 difference between fully charging off peak and, and on peak from a residence.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 23s):

So it’s only gonna get worse though.

Sean P. Holman (23m 24s):


Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 25s):

Sure. That mean they’re gonna rates or rates whenever wants.

Sean P. Holman (23m 26s):

Oh no. Well they’re already California just did it again. They’re trying to figure out if we can charge per mile to track us. Oh no, it’s randomized. You don’t have to worry about the government. We won’t know who you are. Oh. But we’ll send you the bill for how many miles you drove. ’cause they realized they effed up because they can’t do a gas tax because EVs don’t use gas. They pushed us. They went, oh, now we don’t have any money. Yeah. Dummies. So now they want to track people. I’m like, Uhuh. No way.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 53s):

No way. What do you mean you don’t have any juice? You can’t

Sean P. Holman (23m 55s):

Stop them. I could not buy an ev.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (23m 57s):

You did buy an

Sean P. Holman (23m 58s):

Ev. I yeah, but they’re not tracking it right now. You go to start tracking me and all that. Well

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 2s):

Then what happens? Would you sell it if that happened?

Sean P. Holman (24m 4s):

Yeah, it gets turned back in. I’m not gonna have the government like track me and everything and go, oh, here’s your mileage bill at the end. How do you know that’s even right? They can’t do anything. Right. Let alone like track 400 million people. I don’t know what How many people are in California. 20 20 million maybe I I know that

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 20s):

It, it the la Orange County metro. It’s 14 six or something.

Sean P. Holman (24m 24s):

Whatever. Yeah. So it’s California is huge and they’re not gonna be able to do that. Right. And so yeah,

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 30s):

But they’re score the

Sean P. Holman (24m 30s):

Try. Oh they’ve tried but they keep getting sued because of the privacy concern. So that’s where like the a CU on your good side. We By

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 38s):

The way, we did not talk about the fact that that law is getting closer and closer to alerting you when you speed. They’re gonna have an audible speed detection. I don’t 10 miles an hour overt.

Sean P. Holman (24m 49s):

No, I don’t think

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (24m 49s):

That’s gonna happen. Well, there are guys writing it up on online as if it’s gonna happen. Well

Sean P. Holman (24m 53s):

Of course they are because they’re paid by the machine to go do that. Don’t just fight back people. That’s all we’re saying. Fight back hope. Enjoy your cars and do rowdy burnouts and just stop complaining about everything.

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 5s):

You what? Say, come on woman. You no.

Sean P. Holman (25m 9s):

You know Lightning sometimes when you, the best way to fight the man is to ignore the man

Jay “Lightning” Tilles (25m 17s):

As you sip on your bourbon. Good episode. Thanks.

Sean P. Holman (25m 21s):

Yeah, no problem.

8 (25m 23s):

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