Brendan Keefe, chief investigative reporter for Atlanta’s WANF-TV, distills his findings about the “zombie car” epidemic that is sweeping the nation. The automotive industry mourns the passing of the Winnebago Man and the guys give you the goods on Chevy’s newest Bison. The Truck Show Podcast is proudly presented by Nissan, in association with Banks Power, Bilstein, and onX Offroad.


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Lightning (0s):

Holman, I do not think that I can put up with another trip down a Southern California freeway and see a freaking car with its headlights off at night because of its dlss. But rather than rant about it for the next 20 minutes on this podcast, I’m gonna please some. What you

Holman (19s):

Also do,

Lightning (19s):

I’m gonna please some audio that I think you’ll enjoy.

2 (22s):

Not imagining things. There really are work cars driving with their headlights or their taillights off after dark. And you may unknowingly be driving one of these so-called phantom vehicles. We’re gonna bring in Atlanta News First, chief Investigator, Brendan, Keefe, and Brendan. This can be dangerous, not only for you, but really for all the cars around you.

Brendan Keefe (42s):

Yeah, Sean. This is something to be on the lookout for, on the roadways. Even though there are three times as many cars on the road during the day, half of all crashes happen at night. Really? That’s right. It’s more dangerous after dark. And that’s why we’ve been on the lookout for so-called phantom vehicles, and we discovered the real reason why so many drivers are truly in the dark.

Lightning (1m 6s):

Wait a minute.

Holman (1m 7s):

They must be listening to the podcast.

Lightning (1m 9s):

They’ve answered the question that we’ve been asking for, or just driving two

Holman (1m 12s):

Years. No, no. We’ve answered the question. So. I. Wanna see if they validate us or not.

Lightning (1m 16s):

I’m not just gonna play this news piece. I’m actually gonna phone up Brendan Keefe, chief Investigator at Atlanta News, first to settle this once and fricking for all.

Holman (1m 29s):

All right, I’m in. When do we call him?

Lightning (1m 31s):

In a little bit. Oh,

Holman (1m 32s):

We’re not gonna do it right now. We’re not gonna do 20 minutes to get into the show. No,

Lightning (1m 35s):

We did

Holman (1m 36s):

Four hours to get into the show last

Lightning (1m 37s):

Time. No. you know what I wanna do real quick? Can you read that review? Listen, you don’t wanna do it now?

Holman (1m 41s):

No, no. We’re gonna do reviews later. Okay. You sure? Yes.

Lightning (1m 44s):

Because that review addresses our

Holman (1m 46s):

Long intro. So let’s make the intro longer by doing more stuff before we do it. All right. All

Lightning (1m 50s):

Right. So on this Truck show podcast episode, We Are going to cover phantom cars. Okay? And later in the show, we’re gonna talk about someone that we lost, someone very important to the automotive industry.

Holman (1m 59s):

I would say, a national treasure of the automotive industry. Okay.

Lightning (2m 3s):

I’ll give

Holman (2m 3s):

You that kinda a a little bit sad and well, we’ll pay our respects.

Lightning (2m 6s):

My, and also, I’m gonna explain how I almost died. Well, I almost got killed in the Arizona Desert. There’s

Holman (2m 12s):

A lot of death going on. Is that that interview with the Psycho? Yes.

Lightning (2m 16s):

Okay, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll get to that. Well wait. He could be listening. He might be a news listener. Don’t call the psycho.

Holman (2m 20s):

Well, you told you that’s what you told me. I have no context. I haven’t heard the interview.

Lightning (2m 23s):

I’ll play the, you’re gonna want to hear. You

Holman (2m 24s):

Texted me a bunch of weird stuff and I’m like, well, are you in danger? And you’re like, don, don’t think so. But I, I recorded something and I’m like, okay, thanks for covering the show.

Lightning (2m 33s):

I ran into a very interesting character centric at a rest stop. And you’re gonna gonna wanna hear the audio, which is,

Holman (2m 39s):

That’s probably not where you wanna run into P Okay. Anyway,

Lightning (2m 42s):

It wasn’t in the restroom.

Holman (2m 43s):

Yes. You survived a rest stop. Stop. Exactly. Okay. Alright. So let’s do something we never do and let’s thank our sponsors within five minutes of starting the show. Let’s do it. All right. So

Lightning (2m 52s):

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Holman (2m 52s):

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Lightning (3m 35s):

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Holman (3m 50s):

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Lightning (3m 58s):

We should, right? I was gonna talk about the Ford seven three power pack. Oh,

Holman (4m 3s):

That’s awesome.

Lightning (4m 4s):

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Holman (4m 6s):

We should do that,

Lightning (4m 6s):

But I should pause that and for the next episode. Yeah. And we should talk about how the Real

Holman (4m 11s):

World ID dash. You’ve

Lightning (4m 12s):

Got one of our buddies out out of a jam. All right, I like that. Interesting. Do you wanna do that here? Should we just talk about the idea We play the play the audio later? We’re

Holman (4m 20s):

Thanking our sponsors. Okay. Because we’re gonna get into the show. Okay. Well, and we have this, so basically, the way this

Lightning (4m 24s):

Works, do I tie in, ID dash here. hold on. Just

Holman (4m 26s):

Hold on. The way this works is we say hello, and then we say thank you, and then we provide all of our listeners with a bunch of cool content, and then we say goodbye and thank you. And then we go home. You’re jumbling the whole thing up.

Lightning (4m 42s):

So this section right here is where I say, we say thank you. Okay. We say thank you, thank

Holman (4m 46s):

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Lightning (4m 59s):

But we’re not gonna talk about the ID dash specifically here. No, we’re gonna do that later. Well,

Holman (5m 3s):

Well you can, you can talk about the ID dash specifically here, but we’re gonna talk about our friend later. The

Lightning (5m 7s):

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Holman (5m 33s):

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Lightning (6m 15s):

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Lightning (6m 29s):

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Holman (7m 7s):

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It’s the truck show with your hosts. Lightning and Holman.

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Holman (8m 18s):

So that’s pretty good. I mean we, we got into it under 10 minutes. I think so. Good for us. This is actually a, an action packed show. It is A lot of stuff going on. We Are,

Lightning (8m 27s):

We gonna do the review here with The Guy Nails Us for doing long intros? No, no, that’s still later.

Holman (8m 31s):

That’s later. That’s when we do reviews. Lightning.

Lightning (8m 34s):

I I’m, I’m, I wanna get

Holman (8m 35s):

Why are you so excited about that? I

Lightning (8m 37s):

Just am. I wanna come at him. you know what I’m saying? Like why, what, what, what buddy?

Holman (8m 40s):

What? You wanna come at him? Because for once in our lives we showed him up by doing it shorter. And you wanna be like, nah, look at this episode.

Lightning (8m 48s):


Holman (8m 48s):

As evidenced by today.

Lightning (8m 50s):

I get it. I get it. We’ll, we’ll get to that later. Alright, Holman, it’s time to dial Atlanta, Georgia. Are you set? I was

Holman (8m 55s):

Just in Atlanta, Georgia two days ago running through the airport.

Lightning (8m 58s):

Why, why, why weren’t you just

Holman (8m 59s):

Walking? Because I had You were late. I should tell him this story and see what he says. All right. He’s truly from Atlanta. Okay. And he’s an investigative journalist. I have, I have questions.

Lightning (9m 8s):

All right. hold on one second and I will dial Brendan Keefe. Hello, is this Brandon Keefe, chief investigator at WANF? Atlanta News? First it’s Lightning at home. The Truck. Show Podcast. Yes. That is me. It is. I. All right. It’s breaking news here. Lightning at home. The Truck. Show Podcast.

Holman (9m 34s):

What’s breaking news that we’re calling him? Yes. That he answered. Breaking Yes. Breaking news. Both. A real journalist has answered the phone call of The Truck. Show Podcast.

Lightning (9m 42s):

We’re gonna break some news. We’re gonna break this story wide open. After years and years of talking about ghost vehicles on the highway with no taillights, Brendan has solved it once and freaking for all. Alright,

Holman (9m 55s):

Well then if you solved that problem, I’m gonna, I’m going to throw a second problem at him. All right. All right. Lemme

Lightning (10m 1s):

Stop that stupid music,

Holman (10m 2s):

Which is my, my, my, the bane of any existence in Atlanta. And I need him to investigate that for me. What is it? All right. Tell me if this record has ever been beaten in the history of air travel as I’m flying through. By the way, my history with Atlanta Hartsfield Airport is, is robust and varied, and I don’t think I’ve ever had a good experience there, including landing in Alabama once because Atlanta was full stop for storms. And we ran out of fuel on our 7 57 and had to go land at a different airport, fuel up, and then fly back to Atlanta. But this, this trip, I’m flying from L a X to Atlanta to head to Louisiana, which is so lame, Dr.

Holman (10m 44s):

you know, flying all the way across the country, just come back and while I be in the air, Delta sends me a note, says, I’m sorry that we got you there late. We have rescheduled your flight out of Atlanta for tomorrow morning. Oh. And I’m like, no, I have eight 30 meeting. I can’t, I can’t be there at 1155. No So. it says to me on my phone, if you want to confirm this new booking, push this button. Or if you want to deny it, push this button and resume your flight. I’m, I’m doing the math, I’m doing airline math. I’m like, all right, what time we landed Atlanta. So your landing time’s this takes, by the way,

Lightning (11m 16s):

Is is there gonna be a question for Brenda at some point? Yes. Okay.

Holman (11m 18s):

20 minutes to get to the freaking gate. So, I, I’m working all that in. I get to gate a 30 or something like that. I have to get to D 18. I have 18 minutes. I’m sort of toward the front of the plane. This nice Asian couple next to me said, oh, you have a flight, we’ll stop everyone. And they get in the aisle like, you guys a flight. I’m like, awesome. So they, they, they block the entire flight. I get out, I run through fricking terminal A and then you gotta go down the escalator. As you get to the bottom of the escalator in Atlanta, there’s a train that takes you to, like, the concourses are T A, B, C, D, and E and f It’s like this massive god’s mulligan of airports.

Holman (11m 59s):

As they reach the bottom of the escalator, God smiles upon me and the tram arrives and the doors open up. And I’m like, that means don don’t have to go on the moving walkway and run that way. I can take a couple on the train. Okay. Get to the train. I get to terminal d I run all the way down to the gate from exiting the plane in a, to getting through the door on D nine and a half minutes. Nice.

Brendan Keefe (12m 24s):

That might be a new record. Yeah,

Holman (12m 26s):

I knew it. All right. What I wanna know is, how the hell do you people fly in and out of Atlanta? So we have L a x, which is actually worse than Atlanta So I. Guess I get it. But, but every time I go there, it’s like, oh, there’s, you either have four hours, 12 hours of layovers and storms, or you have 15 minutes.

Brendan Keefe (12m 45s):

They say the road to hell includes a layover in Atlanta.

Holman (12m 50s):

That is completely true. So being a Delta flyer, I’m in and outta that place all the time. I try to avoid it at all costs. ’cause I can go through M S P or Salt Lake City normally, or even Detroit. But man, Atlanta ain’t great. What’s so

Lightning (13m 4s):

Funny is when we were originally scheduled to talk to Brandon a week or so ago, and he was tied up and he was, I think you were traveling through Atlanta, right?

Brendan Keefe (13m 12s):

That’s right.

Holman (13m 13s):

What is your, what is your your worst, best Atlanta a t l story? You’ve gotta have one.

Brendan Keefe (13m 18s):

Oh, I’ve got so many stories. But you know, like, like any difficult situation, I’ve repressed about half of them take to extract them. But we just did a big investigation at the airport where they, a gun had gone off about 18 months ago, a felon, and brought a gun through the checkpoint. And I thought, okay, they’re gonna put barriers up now. you know where they do that secondary screening where Yes. you know, they say, Hey, there’s something in your bag. There’s no barriers. The T s A doesn’t have a barrier. And so the guy just reached into the bag and the gun went off when he grabbed it shut

Holman (13m 50s):

Down all these

Brendan Keefe (13m 50s):

Airport in the world. What? Yeah. And that thought they would put the barriers in, but 18 months later, you can still reach into the bag. It’s the honor system. So, so that’s like the craziest story I’ve seen at the airport, Monroe

Holman (14m 1s):

Airport in M L U in Louisiana, which is a little two gate airport. It’s actually the birthplace of Delta Airlines. That was my final destination on this trip. And they have a plexiglass barrier for the secondary. So if the conveyor kicks your bag to the back to slide out, you can’t reach it. How can you do that at Atlanta, which is the world’s busiest airport?

Brendan Keefe (14m 21s):

Yeah. It it’s a mystery, isn’t it? I mean sometimes, you know, scale is not the answer, right? I mean, it’s just so big that sometimes they don’t answer these problems. But. that, that’s really the ts a’s responsibility. And we asked the TSA and they said they don’t, you know, they, they’re gonna do a pilot program, but they’re not really interested in it.

Holman (14m 38s):

Is there somebody still

Brendan Keefe (14m 40s):

To take your shoes off for a failed shoe bomber 20 years ago?

Holman (14m 43s):

Is, is there somebody to actually talk to at t s A? Do they actually respond Because? it just seems like it’s, yeah, the abyss of, you know, government bureaucracy and any question just goes into the, into the ether and nothing ever comes back. I think the thing that I was mildly annoyed at, definitely not amused with is, if you remember, they went to those bins with conveyors at airports, then they started putting ads in the bottle, bottom of the bins, and you go Wait a minute. This is complete crap. You can’t be monetizing security like that just says right there. Oh,

Lightning (15m 13s):

We don’t take it

Holman (15m 14s):

Seriously. It’s not, it’s not about security, it’s about the ads that are in the bottom of the bins. I mean what? Like what the hell? You’re

Brendan Keefe (15m 20s):

A terror free flight brought to you

Lightning (15m 21s):

By Depends.

Holman (15m 24s):

Well, so the point of this whole conversation is that as safe as air travel is, thanks to our friends at the t s A road travel has seemed to taken a step back, especially at nighttime.

Brendan Keefe (15m 36s):

Yeah. And you know, I’m sure you notice this, I, the great thing about being an investigative reporter is you see something that doesn’t seem right and you get to find out why it’s literally your job. And so that’s kind of cool. So just driving down the road, I noticed more and more of these phantom vehicles, these cars with no headlights or headlights, but no taillights. And I know, okay, those are the daytime running lamps, but I flash the high beams or try to signal to them and they just think I’m a crazy person. They don’t realize I’m trying to tell them their taillights are off. Well that’s, and they don’t even know

Holman (16m 7s):

It. Jay bought a sign that he could flash at people. You

Lightning (16m 11s):

Mean Lightning me?

Holman (16m 12s):

Yes. Lightning Lightning bought a sign that he could flash at people that scrolled the problem is the sign scrolls too slowly. That That wasn even weirder that just flashing at them. They couldn’t read it. That said, turn your lights on. All right. If this, yeah, go for the deep, deep, deep dive.

Lightning (16m 27s):

I feel like this is a deep dive here. Here we go. hold on one second, Brandon,

9 (16m 30s):

Prepare to dive.

Lightning (16m 31s):

Prepare to dive. Hi Captain.

9 (16m 34s):

Captain, we’re too deep. There’s no such thing as too deep. Okay. That was too deep.

Lightning (16m 55s):

Well, we don’t play that one very often. All right. That, that’s your intro there, Brandon. So We Are doing a deep dive into, into ghost cars, fantom cars. And so this started home and how long have I been bench in a moment about this? Two, three years? No longer than longer. Okay. Longer than that. Since the beginning of the episode. the show, well, the, the

Holman (17m 8s):

Problem, the problem is dls, right? Like that’s what we’ve, I’m curious if, if our investigative reporter friend on the phone has aligned with the own internal investigative reporting on The Truck Show Podcast. So Lightning and I have had an argument where, where, you know, to me it’s, it’s, well you

Lightning (17m 25s):

Said That wasn the, the dashboard, right? And I said That wasn the dlss, right? So I think it’s a combination of both. Because what I noticed is that several years ago there weren’t l e d well there were daytime running lights, but they were usually dimm incandescent bulbs, right. That just had, you’re

Holman (17m 38s):

Talking about the L E D signature lighting that’s now on vehicles. That’s, that’s correct. Which lights at the road? And I’m talking about back in oh five for example, when the Toyota Tacoma went to an l e d lit backlit dash That wasn on all the time. So there’s nothing to cue you internally as to whether it’s your headlight mode or just d r l mode. So I

Lightning (17m 55s):

Thought the DRLs are so bright with, at the advent of l e d forward facing l e d, dear daytime running lights, that the average person sees a glow on the ground in front of them and assumes their lights are on.

Holman (18m 7s):

And the reason I disagree with That is ’cause I think most people are driving where there’s streetlights and the road’s already lit up and I think they’re seeing the dash. So Brandon, what say you, can you crack this, this the code? Yeah. This this Mexican standup.

Brendan Keefe (18m 20s):

Do you wanna know who’s right? Yes. Do you wanna know who’s right? Yes. Holman and Lightning are both right. ’cause it’s, it’s a combination of the two. And so the daytime running lamps, you know, these have been out for years. And the irony is they were designed for safety, right? So to increase visibility during the day. But at night, if you think your, your headlights are on, because you do see a faint glow, and we were shooting video even in the bright Atlanta traffic, you know, you could see the daytime running lamps illuminating the road. And then if you look at the dashboard, there’s this visual indicator because it’s always on. Now the instrument panel is always lit, you know, the gauge cluster. And so you’re gonna assume, oh, my lights are on.

Brendan Keefe (19m 0s):

There’s no sort of cue that your lights are off. you know, if you, if you were driving a 19, you know, 87 Silverado 1500, you’re gonna say, oh, my headlights are off because the dash is dark. And that’s just not the case anymore. So the combination of those two are, are really potentially deadly cocktail. That’s like one of those phrases investigative reporters like to throw out.

Holman (19m 24s):

Do you have a book of phrases?

Brendan Keefe (19m 26s):

We do. you know, there’s the whole, you know, sources close to the investigation that’s control.

Holman (19m 32s):

I think that’s a good one.

Brendan Keefe (19m 33s):

You know, stuff like that. But yeah, no I mean it’s, it’s definitely a combination in this case. And the proof of this actually is Porsche, who is yet to make a great pickup truck. But Porsche, where they’re headquartered here in Atlanta, at least Porsche North America, they only have this always on headlight feature on their vehicles that don’t have always on dashboards. They have a couple of vehicles they make that don’t have always on illuminated dashboards. And on those vehicles they don’t have the always on headlights. And they said it’s because they’re not necessary like they are in the other vehicles.

Holman (20m 6s):

Well, and as things change, where you go away from traditional gauges to a screen, That is displaying a graphic of gauges, there’s not gonna be any way to know that that screen is, you know, it’s either on or off. It’s either displaying pages or, or not So, it wasn always beyond like

Lightning (20m 19s):

Tv. They don’t have like some of, remember when they first had the big screens for just the audio and you could actually turn it off, you could go to black, but they’re not gonna offer that for your speedo and your No, you have to have that. Yeah. Things like that. So I noticed it mostly on Lexus, Toyota and Lexus specifically. I don’t know why Lexus, is it the turn, the dial on the left side where you’re, where it’s auto on off and they just, it gets clicked and they don’t know it. Or, but I’m telling you, I it’s about 70% Lexus No. Where I, I, I find this issue. Alright,

Holman (20m 50s):

Well we have to do a survey because I’ve seen it a lot on Volvos. Mazdas are really notorious. And even Teslas Tesla,

Lightning (20m 58s):

I haven’t Tesla as

Holman (20m 58s):

Automated as the fricking Tesla is. you would think that that wouldn’t be a thing. But again, it has those screens that are always on. And I think as we get into the EVs and even the internal combustion hybrids that are now replacing traditional gauges with a screen, it, the problem’s gonna get even worse if, if the manufacturers don’t figure out a way to let people know they’re driving at night with their headlights off. So

Lightning (21m 19s):

Brandon, a couple questions. You did this investigation and you came to a conclusion as I recall in your piece where you said, look, we’re stuck with this for a certain number of years, right? Because there are vehicles built between X date and X date, like a, a swath of a decades worth of these vehicles that can go in ghost mode, right? But that’s gonna change, it will end because there’s I think a Canadian law. Can you bring us up to speed on what you found?

Brendan Keefe (21m 43s):

Yeah, so the Canadians are to the rescue. It, it kind of shocked us in the middle of the story where we found out that Porsche has like the best technology, but Canada has the best regulations. So we have German engineering and Canadian regulations to think for fixing this. But Canada, and it’s mostly the northern, so, you know, hemisphere country, extreme northern hemisphere like Canada, Norway, Sweden, they have all these regulations related to headlights because, you know, for half the year they’re driving in the dark. And so Canada said, wait a second, if you’re gonna have daytime running lamps, our regulation is that the taillights must also illuminate. So if your DRLs are on, your taillights are on.

Brendan Keefe (22m 24s):

And then the alternative is on a default, always auto on headlights that you can’t deactivate. Now I know, we all hate those nanny controls you can’t turn off. But in this case, they gave them really three options and all of them make sure under these Canadian regulations that you cannot possibly be driving at night without taillights or headlights. And what’s great about That is that the manufacturers to save money in North America, if you sell cars in North America, why would you make an American version and a Canadian version? They’re just sta starting to make these vehicles sold in the United States that already have these safety features ready to go. So and so they’re already hitting the market.

Brendan Keefe (23m 5s):

It’s just they’re gonna take 12 to 14 years to replace the current fleet that’s on the road.

Holman (23m 10s):

So what are the new vehicles that it basically coming out right now is the new Chevrolet Colorado and G M C Canyon, which no longer feature a physical headlight switch. Oh, no

Lightning (23m 22s):

Kidding. So

Holman (23m 23s):

Those vehicles, yeah, right. You have to control it through the infotainment screen. So basically it’s a sub menu inside the 11.3 inch touchscreen. And the problem is that if you reach a daylight, you know, headlights section, you might have to fiddle with the touchscreen. Or if you need to control your lights to turn ’em off, you have to do it. Otherwise they’re, they’re automatic and I’m guessing, guessing that’s probably because of these new regulations coming out. And my guess is you’re gonna see that this becomes standard across GM vehicles as they, you know, move to new platforms. The other thing is how many people complain that the four Wheel drive switch and headlight switch look like each other or took up that real estate? So GM is saying, well basically we can get rid of the headlight switch, we can solve this problem, we’ll make ’em automatic all the time, and we free up space to the left of the steering Wheel makes sense for secondary controls, right?

Lightning (24m 12s):


Brendan Keefe (24m 12s):

I have a 21 G M C Yukon myself and the switch is, is it’s got a a, a spring in it so you can turn the headlights off, but the spring automatically sends it back mechanically to auto and the next time you cycle the ignition, it’s going to default back to auto no matter what you do.

Lightning (24m 37s):

I wonder on the vehicles that I’m seeing that we’re all seeing how they get like that, like are they taking it to a mechanic or car wash or like under what circumstance is someone turning it off manually? Are they in their driveways sitting at night on the phone for

Holman (24m 51s):

A while? I mean I’ve,

Lightning (24m 52s):

I’ve done that Sure. And turn it off. So they don annoy their neighbors. I

Holman (24m 54s):

Come home at night and I may, you know, be eating tacos in the driveway after a night of binge smoking cigars in, in bourbon and you gotta have tacos.

Brendan Keefe (25m 2s):

I’ve got a simple answer for you. Yeah. I mean we’re, well two things. One, as an investigative reporter, sometimes we stake out corrupt officials. you know, if you’ve got two headlights on, that doesn’t help. So turn those off. But obviously they’re not making them for the, the sort of subset of the market that does investigative reporting. But, you know, sometimes I’m parked on a hill at a, at a light waiting for it to change. And because of the angle of the hill, I am blinding the driver on the other side of the intersection. And in those cases I switched to the parking lights and until I’m through the intersection.

Holman (25m 36s):

Well I think you’re bearing the headline here. The headline is there are still courteous drivers in America. That’s what I’m getting outta this.

Lightning (25m 43s):

Not many of them. Holman has been with me on several occasions when I’ve flashed people and I mean with my headlights ’cause my, the other kind of flashing up that, that

Holman (25m 51s):

Would actually cause a accident. Yeah, that’s

Lightning (25m 52s):

Exactly the only safety issue. Sure. Yeah. So I. I can’t are

Holman (25m 56s):

Those man boobs or

Lightning (25m 57s):

Other, so Oh, so the the flashing

Brendan Keefe (25m 60s):

Your high beams are on, it’s cold out. Exactly.

Lightning (26m 2s):

So the, the flashing doesn’t work because the flashing tells the guy in front of you get outta the way and it’s southern California here. And they don’t care. They’re like, Nope, I’m gonna go 50 it the

Holman (26m 12s):

Says shoot at me if you happen to have a gun

Lightning (26m 14s):

In your car. Well that’s in East la Yes. But so the flashing just doesn’t work almost ever. They have no idea idea.

Holman (26m 20s):

They have no idea. ’cause they’re looking at their dash and they see the road lit up and they see their dash lit

Lightning (26m 23s):

Up. So, I’m behind them and I go off on, off with my headlights. I’m going And

Holman (26m 27s):

They think you’re going to attack them. So they speed up. So it’s now they’re even more dangerous

Lightning (26m 30s):

If someone behind me is turning their headlights off and then on again that like, I’m thinking, okay, they’re signaling me to do something and I’m looking around and they, that doesn’t work either. So then I use my,

Brendan Keefe (26m 42s):

It doesn’t, it doesn’t work.

Lightning (26m 44s):

No. So then I get my freaking taser and I wag at ’em, which is totally illegal. I go left, right, left, right like a police car. ’cause I can make my lights flash left and right. And in my ambers that doesn’t work either. So then I get up on the side of them and I roll the window down.

Holman (26m 57s):

At this point you just need to drive away, spend too much effort on totally

Lightning (26m 60s):

Upsets, totally obsessed. And I get to the side of them, I roll the window down and I’m like, headlights. And then they don’t roll the window down ’cause they’ve scared them. Then I get my flashlight, my little stream light and I flashlight them, you’re

Holman (27m 12s):

Gonna die. And then

Lightning (27m 12s):

They and then they roll the window down. Yeah, but it’s like a little old lady. She finally rolls the window down and I go, your headlights are off, your lights

Holman (27m 19s):

Are off. And then she can’t hear you.

Lightning (27m 20s):

No, she hears me and she goes, she looks at me and she goes, no, they’re on, they’re on. And I said, they’re off. And I said, your lights are off. She’s like, no, they’re on. And she, no, she’s arguing with me. Why, why would I be lying to her at 45 miles an hour in the slow lane on the freeway?

Holman (27m 35s):

Because you’re crazy. This reminds me of you’ve chased her. This

Brendan Keefe (27m 39s):

Reminds me of, do you remember John Candy and planes, trains and automobiles? Yes. They’re driving the wrong way on the interstate. And the guy goes, you’re driving the wrong way. And John Candy goes, how, how do they know? Or you’re going the wrong way. And they say, how do they know where we’re going? you know where we’re

Lightning (27m 54s):


Holman (27m 54s):

Exactly. Yeah. My, my dad was the same response was driving me home from the, the, you know, miscarriage of an airport that L a X was and we’re going down the 4 0 5 and sure enough, here’s a car speeding by ghost mode. Right. And then it almost runs in the back of another car with no taillights on. And we’re like, what now? They’re so pervasive, they’re gonna hit each other. Yeah.

Lightning (28m 18s):

When you’re doing this reporting Brendan, did you talk to anyone who was in an accident because of this?

Holman (28m 24s):

Or did you just go up on every car you saw, flash them, run them off the road and yell your headlights are off. And then when they pulled over you, you said, hi, I’m an investigative journalist. I, I’d like to know why.

Brendan Keefe (28m 36s):

Pretty much the, the first thing I did is I actually went through our own archive of acts of major accidents in our news station. And, and the company I work for is, our parent company’s called Gray Television. They own over a hundred television stations across the country. And so through our intranet, I can search every news story we’ve ever done. And I pulled up all these crashes that with the keyword lights or headlights. And it turns out there’s almost always a secondary factor that was treated by the police as a primary factor. So obviously alcohol speeding, things like that. So very rarely are they writing this down as, oh, That, wasn, the lack of headlights caused the crash or the lack of taillights.

Brendan Keefe (29m 21s):

I think it’s very similar to lane use, which is one of my biggest pet peeves when someone is in the, in the hammer lane and you know, they’re driving like Miss Daisy and they have no idea I mean like, hey, hey here’s a clue. If you look in your rear view mirror and there’s a stack of cars behind you and you look forward and the road is clear, you are the problem. you know, it’s like, call up, call up Taylor’s

Holman (29m 43s):

Swift, not me. I’m

Brendan Keefe (29m 44s):

The problem. It’s me, me. Yeah. you know, and, and so, but the thing is though, that, that’s a primary C cause in many crashes, but it’s never written down that way. ’cause what you have is someone behind that slow driver who then swerves into the right lane to pass them and then it causes a crash or road rage or whatever. But then, you know, the sort of second level, you know, originating cause isn’t on the police report. Hmm. So no one’s tracking. This is the bottom line. I actually called two police departments here in Metro Atlanta and they generally don’t like to hear from me very much because we’re usually, you know, holding them accountable for something. But I’m like, no guys, this is a good one. We’re gonna go and do a ride along with you and you’re gonna talk about, you know, this problem, we’re gonna help, we’re gonna work as public safety partners.

Brendan Keefe (30m 30s):

And they say we’re not seeing the problem. And the reason is they’re not seeing it as a primary cause when it really is a primary.

Holman (30m 36s):

They’re not seeing it in in their statistics that they’re writing down. So to them, there, there’s a always at a police department is a statistician who looks at through all the tickets and accident reports and regular case study numbers and, and then they’ll assign location and they track all these different categories of crimes or accidents or traffic so they can look on the map and see hotspots within the city where there might be some sort of a pattern happening. And then they’ll go, you know, adjust their resources. But if that person doesn’t have that category to, you know, write it down, it doesn’t really exist to the department. At least not the administration side of it.

Brendan Keefe (31m 11s):

Yeah. I think that’s Exactly, right? And so then it becomes a big problem. And that’s why we did a story on it because we saw no one had actually looked into this I mean, usually what I do is, you know, stories that change laws put corrupt officials in prison, you know, that kind of thing. We, we look at systemic and institutional failures. This one seems sort of seemed like low hanging fruit, but the bottom line is it affects everyone. And especially in a city like Atlanta where, you know, Atlanta’s like LA in terms of being spread out, you, you know, the, there isn’t a lot of reliable public transportation. So we’re a driving city and we spend a lot of time in our cars because Atlanta, as you know, is an hour’s drive from Atlanta and because of the traffic.

Brendan Keefe (31m 53s):

And so yeah, we wanted to make sure we could help, you know, people stay safe and, but the bottom line is, I was seeing it every night and, and seeing it more and more, which actually makes the argument that it’s the dashboards, the, the gauge clusters are the primary cause only because DLS have been out for more than 20 years. And these illuminated dashboards are a newer phenomenon.

Holman (32m 16s):

I’m gonna take that as a win Lightning.

Lightning (32m 18s):

Yeah. No, he said That wasn, both of us and I

Holman (32m 20s):

Think we Right? Then he backtracked and just clarified his stance right

Lightning (32m 22s):

There. The dashboards. Well what do we do Brendan, in your opinion, after having flashed your headlights, turn ’em off and on and, and and yelling at people? Well you didn’t I did. How do we communicate this? I would like So I. I bought, I went on Amazon. I actually did a little bit of research, which who had the best l e d scrolling screen. I bought one that was about eight or nine inches square. You program it with your mobile app and you can do happy phases, middle finger, you can do a scrolling message, whatever it goes in the back window. it has a little suction mount and I would scroll the word headlights and that didn’t work. And then I would hold it out my window, like literally at the person and I’d scroll headlights and they wouldn’t read it or didn’t care.

Lightning (33m 3s):

So that’s out. That’s not gonna work is do I make a giant l e d thing and I put it backwards like the word ambulance on my hood. So when I’m behind someone, they can read it in the rear view that says lights. Like is there a solution to get people to turn on their fricking lights? Because I’m seeing it every single day and sometimes I’ll see two and three a night.

Brendan Keefe (33m 23s):

Yeah, I have an idea. First and foremost though, what you’re doing this show, all kidding aside, I know that the show is fun and irreverent and all that, but this is a public service who joined right now because it’s one person out there listening thinks about this and then says, wait, you know what? I’m gonna look for that icon on the dashboard. you know, no one knows what any of those icons mean, but those, there’s a headlight icon that’ll tell you if your headlights are on or just your parking lights or just your dlss. And then the story we did. But one thing I’m looking at doing is going old school. you know, when I was younger, I g gosh, I’m 55 this year. So I started driving in the early eighties. I had a ccb and the CCB had a PA system on it.

Brendan Keefe (34m 6s):

Remember those?

Holman (34m 7s):

Oh god, you said the magic word. He’s standing up with his arms in the air. He’s screaming hold on.

Brendan Keefe (34m 13s):

Wait, Brandon doesn’t know this. They sell these little eight ohm speakers. Oh, do you have one? Oh,

Holman (34m 17s):

Brandon, wait,

Lightning (34m 18s):

Why? Wait, wait, Brandon, hold on one second. So we had the president of Phoenix, it’s f e n i e. They,

Holman (34m 25s):

They make emergency first responder vehicle things such as they make all the

Lightning (34m 28s):


Holman (34m 29s):

Sirens, all that stuff.

Lightning (34m 30s):

I just bought a PA system with not one but two 100 watt PA speakers that I’m installing on my truck manana tomorrow. They’re going in. I’m doing, I’ve got the handset.

Holman (34m 42s):

This, this is the difference between you and me because when I had my 1994 Ranger splash, I installed a PA system on it. So I too could yell at people except that

Lightning (34m 52s):

That was so, because that was, you said there little more stuff in the drive through, you could

Holman (34m 55s):

Order that exactly what I did. We would pull up to the drive through and they’d say, welcome to McDonald’s, what do you want? And you’re like,

11 (35m 0s):

I want water. Now I big man.

Lightning (35m 6s):

No, no,

Holman (35m 6s):

I’m sorry sir, I can’t understand you. What I

11 (35m 9s):


Holman (35m 9s):

Was, oh, That wasn awesome. So I thought

Lightning (35m 11s):

You would say you order more stuff for the guy in front of you who’s in line. No, that’s funny too.

Holman (35m 15s):


Lightning (35m 15s):

Orders like a cup of coffee, McDonald’s, and you pile on like, you know, 20 big masks. This

Holman (35m 19s):

Is the problem. Nobody wants to hear your voice. It’s already tenable that you’re on a podcast and you’re coming through their, their stereo system. But

Lightning (35m 27s):

These are people that don’t know me.

Brendan Keefe (35m 29s):

Can I tell you a quick story about the PA system that I used to have in my car? Yeah. Okay. So my best friend Charles, we, we’ve been best friends since third grade, we’re still still best friends in our fifties. But back when I was in college, I had like a hand me down Subaru gl and I had the CB in it because I had to drive from Connecticut to Ohio for college back and forth on, on I 80 with the speed limit was 55 through Pennsylvania. And they were notorious for getting you at 56, you know, and I wanted to do like, you know, what the car’s supposed to do, which is 80, which I don’t think that Subaru could do. But anyway, So I had the CB and I had the PA system in there. And when I was home visiting from college, we went to Burger King and we pull in and That wasn about nine 30 and we figure, oh, it closes at 10, but we pull in, we pull up to the drive-through, it’s all lit up, but nobody’s talking to us.

Brendan Keefe (36m 17s):

So we pull forward to the window and we look inside and we see that there’s a guy mopping the floor. So we go, oh, it’s closed. And my friend Charles says, Hey, you still have that PA system, right? And I said, yeah. He goes, we can’t be the only ones thinking this place is open. He goes, pull around to the drive-thru again. So we park behind the drive through, like there’s like a little island there where the, you know, where the trash dumpsters are. And so we park behind the drive through screen and it’s all lit up so no one can see us there. And we wait for a guy. Now we realize this is, you know, mid eighties So. It’s an, the guy pulls in in an IROC Z with T Tops. Yes. And awesome. And we go, welcome to Burger King.

Brendan Keefe (36m 58s):

Can I take your order please?

Lightning (36m 59s):

That is awesome. And the

Brendan Keefe (37m 1s):

Guy’s like, yeah. And the guy and the guy’s like, you know, Whopper, oh, we only have Big Mac. Well this is Burger King. Yeah. We only have Big Mac now. We switched to Big Mac, This goes on. And then we go, okay, that’ll be 42 50. What? What 42. Yeah, the prices went up and then this went on for a while until finally we insult insulted his girlfriend and he threatened to hurt us. And, and I said, why don’t you come up through the window and say that? And he peeled out. He people peeled out the entrance. Well, I had it when I was a reporter in New York City. I had one in my car. And when there’s somebody like holding up an intersection, I would ’cause of the, it would bounce off the buildings. You wouldn’t know where That wasn coming from. And So I would just like, all right, move it along, let’s go.

Lightning (37m 42s):

You know,

Brendan Keefe (37m 42s):

They had no idea where That wasn coming from. It’s

Holman (37m 44s):

Just the voice of God. I’m

Brendan Keefe (37m 45s):

Thinking of putting that on my news car just so we can, you know, for the head. I don’t know. Look, I don’t I don, I’m, this is not the legal segment. I’m not a lawyer, I just play one on tv. So this is a legal advice, but I wonder, I don’t know what the, you know, what the legality of it is, but it certainly makes a lot of sense if you can tell someone without distracting them in any other way to, Hey, your headlights are off. I think you’re doing a public service.

Holman (38m 11s):

Hello, this is an investigative reporter from WANF. Please dial into our station 46 and learn about how to turn your headlights on. Thank you.

Brendan Keefe (38m 23s):

That’s right.

Lightning (38m 25s):

It is illegal in California. I looked it up to yell at people. No, to be, to have a PA system. Well, with as long as it can be heard within like a hundred feet of the car or something like that. It’s something pretty shallow. It’s, yeah, it’s like 30 feet or something ridiculous, right? Yeah. And it probably has to do with stereo

Holman (38m 38s):


Lightning (38m 38s):

Back. People like you. No, probably like loud stereo systems back in the day. Who knows what don don’t know, but so what, what are they gonna do? The cops gonna pull you over. Like, I was trying to help this old lady to turn her lights on so she didn’t get creamed. Like, are they gonna yell at me for that? don don’t know. I

Holman (38m 50s):

Mean it’ll be interesting story to tell as you feel the the steel bracelets go click, click on your hands. Yeah,

Lightning (38m 55s):

It wouldn’t

Holman (38m 55s):

Be the first time sign here. Sir, I, I really appreciate Brendan, I thank you for coming on the show. I wanna keep you on our good side. If you ever have any future automotive related investigative reporting that we can either help with or have you come back on to talk about, we’d love to do that. But basically I’m doing this out of the selfish desire for you not to investigate subpar podcasts.

Brendan Keefe (39m 19s):

No, you guys are awesome. Really love the podcast. I listened to several episodes. You’ve got a new listener. Appreciate that. Thank you. And just through, just yeah, thrilled to, thrilled to join you and I’m glad you recognized our reporting and hopefully it saves some lives.

Holman (39m 31s):

Lives. We, we would like you to be our honorary truck show podcast investigative reporter. And feel free to come back on anytime.

Brendan Keefe (39m 39s):

Yeah. And you let us know when there’s something we need to investigate and we’ll jump on it.

Lightning (39m 43s):

Can I throw something out Brandon? So one of my friends, BJ Dahl started, basically he’s in the process of creating the car chase channel. I think he’s, I better not say the network. I think he’s working on doing a network deal. He’s out here at a CCBs two affiliate. I think you guys are c b s as well, correct?

Brendan Keefe (40m 0s):

Yep. They say I put the BSS in c b s.

Lightning (40m 4s):

So anyway, he is the guy that first started putting the, by the way, we

Holman (40m 9s):

Put the Uck in truck. Yeah,

Lightning (40m 10s):

We did the Uck truck. I like that. We need that. So he started broadcasting or streaming the HighSpeed pursuits on Facebook direct. So

Holman (40m 18s):

We also put the odd in pod. Would

Lightning (40m 20s):

You stop it? Because, anyway, I’m getting at HighSpeed pursuits. I’m sure that they happen in Atlanta just like LA and what they do is they oftentimes go to experts and they never know what kind of truck or car the, the, the, the guy or girl is is driving. I

Holman (40m 36s):

Follow one of the helicopter guys and when it’s live I’ll, I’ll dmm him and he’s checked DMS to figure out what it is. And I’ve hit him up before So

Lightning (40m 43s):

I am offering up Holman across from me here, who I think is an expert in the field and could be called upon if you, who also seem like an expert aren’t available, they could reach out to Holman and say, we think he’s this, this guy is going 120 miles an hour on, on the, on the highway and, and we think he’s in a Tahoe. And then he comes and goes, no, that’s a, that’s a, that’s a G M C, blah blah blah. Like, and he goes, that’s got a 5.3 liter engine. It’s only capable, it’s got a speed limiter of 111. He knows all this stuff. So, I want offer him up as a resource.

Brendan Keefe (41m 15s):

That’s brilliant that you’re so right though I was a chopper reporter for five years in Houston, did a bunch of car chases and you know, you’re, it’s, it’s see it say it reporting you, you see what whatever you see, you’re saying it because you have no source, you’re not on the ground, you can’t talk to the sources. So you’re just describing it. And unfortunately, sometimes in the helicopter they put people who don’t know about cars and then also don’t know about, you know, they, they call the pit maneuver the wrong thing. They’ll call it the pursuit intervention technique when that’s not, its precision interv, you know? Yep. And mobilization technique and you know, they, they’ll screw up all those things and Yeah, no I mean I’m a details oriented guy. I’m, I’m right there with you. I mean I’d be sitting there. It’s, it’s been several years, but I’ll say, oh, that’s a 1970 Monte Carlo with a 3 54 barrel, you know, carburetor and you know, it’s, and so, and you know, back, back then they’re like, yeah, but what’s he wanted for, Hey, let’s talk about the car.

Brendan Keefe (42m 7s):

Yeah, exactly.

Lightning (42m 9s):

Get the car

Holman (42m 9s):

Ride first. Were that Wheel because if you go get the car wrong, what else do you have wrong? Right. And that am I, am I right? Right, right. Yeah. So I actually help local police departments too. When they have a, something caught on video and they’re looking for suspect car. I have a couple departments that will send it my way and go, Hey, can you identify the car that’s in this freeze frame? So please, if I could ever be a u a resource for identifying vehicles, it’s, it’s one of my superpowers. Yep.

Lightning (42m 33s):

And if you need a jackass,

Brendan Keefe (42m 34s):

It’s, especially if

Lightning (42m 36s):

I, I got you.

Brendan Keefe (42m 37s):

If it’s a custom job, I mean, you, you might be talking about it. you know, there’s three or four of them in the whole country. Absolutely. So, you know that, that’s really helpful. you know, Hey look, my cousin Vinny I mean, it, it determined the whole case knowing what kind of car was involved. A

Holman (42m 51s):

Hundred percent.

Brendan Keefe (42m 52s):

Alright, you guys are awesome. Thanks so much for having me.

Lightning (42m 54s):

Yeah, fantastic. We’d love to check in with you again if we can find an excuse.

Holman (42m 58s):

And I appreciate you mostly because you gave me one more hash in the correct column. So between Lightning and I, well

Lightning (43m 4s):

Hold on a second. I think that we were, he started and I he still maintain both.

Holman (43m 8s):

Right? Okay, I get two. You get a half,

Lightning (43m 9s):

It’s perfect. No, no, no, no. We’re, it’s let, let’s sum this up. Brandon. How are we? If I said That wasn the DRLs and he said That wasn. The, the dashboard are We Are, we 50 50 on this. It’s,

Brendan Keefe (43m 18s):

It’s a combination. It’s, but it’s, you have to have, it’s a yin and yang thing. You gotta have both to, it’s, it’s a cocktail. So you’re both right. But

Holman (43m 26s):

What I heard Brendan say is 60 40, it’s 60 40. No, he didn’t say that. 70

Lightning (43m 29s):

30. No, he said you need

Holman (43m 30s):

Both, but it’s 70 30 in favor.

Brendan Keefe (43m 32s):

50. The, the dashboard is a catalyst, but the D r L started it.

Lightning (43m 35s):

So that just

Brendan Keefe (43m 37s):

Look, you have to have, you have to have a fuel and oxygen mixture. Right. So which one makes the engine go? The

Lightning (43m 42s):

Air fuel ratio is 50 50 in this one. It’s one-to-one. Is

Holman (43m 45s):


Lightning (43m 45s):

What it is? Come on, gimme some five star right here. Come on. So

Brendan Keefe (43m 48s):

There’s only one way to settle this. We have to get a couple of PA speakers and have a PA off.

Holman (43m 52s):

Oh, we can’t, we can’t have a PA off.

Lightning (43m 55s):

Alright. We’re

Brendan Keefe (43m 56s):

Only the two guys at the intersection. Mark. Hey, what? Turn on your headlights. No, you turn your,

Lightning (44m 2s):

You turn off your p

Holman (44m 4s):

You know somebody’s stealing. That’s gonna be on TikTok next week, so Yes it is.

Lightning (44m 7s):

Alright Brandon, you are the best. Thank you very much for carving out some time for us. We really appreciate it. Thanks brother. Appreciate it.

Brendan Keefe (44m 12s):

Home enlightening. Thanks a lot. Take care. All right.

Lightning (44m 14s):

All right. Talk soon. Thank you. So speaking of investigative reporting, did you see what happened to Andre at T F L truck the other day? He posted something kind of interesting on YouTube.

Holman (44m 27s):

Well, and I think part of his comment was in regards to the I dash

Lightning (44m 31s):

A little bit. Okay. The bank’s eye dash right. As opposed to the other I dash that’s out there. don don’t know, I don’t think. No, as far as I know we’ve owned the trademark. Okay. The patented material. Yeah. So what happened was he bought himself a 2023 Colorado. Yep. And he has had it for about six weeks. I think the second day he had it, he put on an eye dash, he wanted to see extra parameters, he wanted to see things that the dashboard was not displaying, like commanded gear, some speeds, pressures, et cetera, that the dashboard wasn’t displaying anyway, just the other day after he got home from a trip, he gets in his truck to start it up and the dashboard is blank. The center stack, the stereo, it comes on, the cameras seem to work okay.

Lightning (45m 15s):

But the dashboard is black, which is a big no-no nitsa, if that’s an issue, they will yank your car for a full recall and vin fast, which is that I believe it’s Vietnamese electric car company. Just had all the cars in America yanked for that very same thing. Oh no way of the main gauge cluster screen going cap put. Okay. So he, he, he, he fires it up, it’s running, he turns it off. He does it a bunch of different times. He disconnects the battery a few times, nothing helps. He can still see the data. He, he can still drive because he can see R P M speed all his pressure stamps, et cetera on the ID dash, the ID dash is connected through the O B D port.

Lightning (45m 56s):

So it’s still live and happy. And he could even record data as he’s driving down the street, but he can’t see anything on the dashboard. So he put this up on his YouTube channel? Well, no, no, no. He can see everything on the dashboard. He can’t see anything inside the driver information center. So the, the gauge cluster screen is bad. The center stack screen on the dash is fine. Oh. You can see when I say the dashboard, I always mean that the, but you can’t do, you can’t do that Because, it doesn’t apply to modern trucks anymore. Right. it has, modern trucks have multiple screens. You’re right. So the, the gauge club, I just wanna make sure right in front of the steering Wheel Yes. People following along can understand why this is I who Okay. He couldn’t drive it because his, the stereo didn’t show, his CarPlay didn’t work. Right. No, no, no. That was all still on, on the Colorado it has a digital gauge cluster, so no needles or anything.

Lightning (46m 38s):

It’s all an image. It’s all a pictures. Just like if your iPhone was up there like pixels, you know? Exactly. And so the, the pixels were off

12 (46m 46s):

Hey. guys, I wanted to show you a problem I’m having with my brand new 2023 Chevy Colorado that I recently purchased. So jump in with me and I can describe the issue and show it to you. So let me show you kind of the state of the truck. I’m using a bank’s I dash data monster gauge, which is the only way currently that I know my r p m, my speed, my fuel level, and some other data I mean I can have many different data parameters. Why do I have this gauge plugged into my O B D two port? It’s because we use the gauge on our eye gauntlet runs and I’m learning about it and I’m studying some extra parameters.

12 (47m 29s):

So I’ve been kinda leaving the in and it’s been here for at least a couple of weeks.

Holman (47m 34s):

Alright, so basically he gets into his vehicle, he starts it up, it’s running or he, he starts it up in no, no, d i c, no gauge cluster. Then he starts it up, still doesn’t come up. He’s showing how the center stacks green and cameras are doing their thing. And yet the only thing working was the bank’s ID dash. So was still able to pull information off the can and display it. So I guess technically he would’ve been in compliance to drive on the street ’cause he would know his speed and all that kinda stuff. Right?

Lightning (48m 3s):

So, it wasn. Interesting. Here’s how this went down earlier today. This, this video just went live today when we’re recording this and we got tagged. Banks got tagged a couple times. They’re like, oh, I bet That wasn the bank’s eye dash that was causing a conflict in the CAN bus data, which it

Holman (48m 18s):

Doesn doesn’t work that way. I’ve heard other people say that. But if it’s plugged in and it’s not overloading the bus, it’s just reading what’s going through.

Lightning (48m 26s):

So there’s a couple things going on and people said that about you connect five on the STIs vehicles. Yeah. That said, oh my thing’s wigging out because of the ID dash or because of whatever my scan was gauge or whatever the gauge they had plugged in at the time. So that’s not how it works. The diagnostic bus, the O B D port is just that, it’s diagnostic, it’s secondary to every other module on the vehicle. So when the E C M turns on, it checks in with all the body control module, the transmission control module, all those modules all get priority. The diagnostic bus is secondary or tertiary. It’s only after everything else is live that the diagnostic port is enabled and data will stream back and forth between the E C M and this diagnostic device.

Lightning (49m 6s):

So that’s, and it’s also on a different protocol, right? It’s not talking to the body control module, which ultimately leads to the module that feeds the back of this instrument cluster. So there’s a whole separate module that feeds data to this digital display. So the bottom line is, I had to go on and explain to a bunch of guys on this thread, all the comments in this video. It’s not the bank’s ID dash. So then one of our engineers who saw the video hits me with this little thing. He says, Hey, Jay just F y i on May 16th. G m dropped a t SS b a technical service bulletin addressing this behavior. The I P C display and radio blank. No audio OnStar will not set up or connect typically found at P D I.

Lightning (49m 49s):

What’s P D I

Holman (49m 49s):

Which pre-delivery inspection. Yeah. So basically when your vehicle comes from the factory, it’s all plastic wrapped and it’s got, you know, cellophane on it and plastic on the seats and all sorts of stuff. They, it goes to the dealer and it goes through a process called P D I, where the dealer techs go through and do a big checklist to make sure everything like, you know, the fluids are topped off right from the factory and all the plastics are removed and the protective coatings are removed and it, you know, has, you know, battery voltage and just everything’s working right. And, and you know, it’s that process that goes from being a dirty vehicle that has been on a train or a, or on a truck. Do you remember when I

Lightning (50m 28s):

Bought the Rock Crusher and my, my Lifted dually? Yeah. Before That wasn when I bought it at a G M C dealer in Culver City. I pick it up and it has three white fender flares and one black one. And I’m like, how did that get through?

Holman (50m 42s):

Oh, there’s all sort sorts of

Lightning (50m 43s):

Of weird stuff though.

Holman (50m 44s):

I remember back in don don’t know the nineties where the Mercury Topaz and the Ford Tempo, I think shared a, a platform in the different interiors, but you can get beige on both of ’em. And Car and Driver had a test car where the driver’s seat pattern was different than the passenger seat pattern. So. it had like a Ford driver’s seat and a Mercury passenger seat. So I mean it happens. Yeah. And I mean you can make, like my, my wife has a one of one Grand Cherokee that was pushed through right So it, it, you can do different things on. So

Lightning (51m 16s):

This, this technical service bulletin addresses this and they, it says right here that normally it’s caught during this P D I process. Sure. But it says the cause is a logic lockup usually due to low voltage, which

Holman (51m 31s):

Is interesting. So there’s, yeah, if there’s a, that’s probably why they catch it at P D I because if the vehicle’s been on a truck or a train for weeks, it’s probably drawn down. And it’s interesting, they say the corrective action for is to disconnect the battery for 15 minutes and reconnect. Which is so funny ’cause so many of our vehicles today, that’s the go-to. It’s the hard restart and Jim’s saying, yeah, do it and then recheck the functions. And then they’re saying if it’s returned, then go check for software updates and complete attempt to complete that. But if it’s not resolved, then head on over to your dealer. ’cause there’s codes and other things that you’ll get covered in a warranty. But it’ll be interesting to see if this, if this goes past being a T SS B and goes on to being a recall, depending on how many are affected or if an over the air update is possible.

Holman (52m 14s):


Lightning (52m 15s):

Usually with Uconnect on my truck, there were guys on the T R X groups and the Ram 1500 groups that were complaining about their That wasn looking like an old Atari that went all green and like, like all wacky colors on the 12 inch screen. So they ended up fixing it after I think two updates pushing these over the year updates, if you remember Holman, my CarPlay was waking out. It didn’t matter if I did That

Holman (52m 37s):

Wasn and you were ing out.

Lightning (52m 38s):

Yeah, because I’m

Holman (52m 41s):

The sound is horrible.

Lightning (52m 42s):

That wasn cl That wasn That wasn doing this, this will annoy you, but That wasn doing this.

Holman (52m 44s):

It’ll fix it Needs a little update, eh? All good. Sounds like my transfer case. That wasn

Lightning (52m 50s):

Awful. No, but That wasn higher pitched and super annoying in the middle of music anyway. So after two pushes different software,

Holman (52m 57s):

Your drive shaft did.

Lightning (52m 58s):

No, didn didn’t. Okay. I didn’t have to do anything because

Holman (53m 0s):

I I I guarantee that’s not as annoying.

Lightning (53m 2s):

No, they they can’t fix your drive shaft wirelessly, can they? Nope. No, no. So thank you to Andre for posting that video and getting Banks in the middle of it. That was kind of cool. You can find it at TFL truck on YouTube. Are we ready for some news Mr. Hole shot?

Holman (53m 17s):


13 (53m 20s):

What’s new in need to know? What’s new in trucks?

Lightning (53m 26s):

What’s new trucks? We need to know.

6 (53m 29s):

Lifted, lowered and everything in between. What’s happening in the world of trucks?

Lightning (53m 35s):

Ah, oh, that was good. That

Holman (53m 37s):

Wasn. All right. Last week’s might have been better. That

Lightning (53m 39s):

Wasn Good didn didn’t see That wasn great. That wasn good.

Holman (53m 41s):

All right. The reason I didn’t really show a lot of excitement for getting into news is because I have sad news. And that’s Jack Rebny. The Winnebago man himself passed away last week at the rip old age of 93.

Lightning (53m 56s):

No, no.

Holman (53m 58s):

According to Entertainment Weekly. Ben Bilstein Bower, a friend of Re’s and the director of the famous 2009 documentary Winnebago man confirmed the news and said that Jack had been living on the coast of southern Oregon for the last several years. And this is, this is sort of a funny quote, listening to M ss N B c c n N A B C C B S on Sirius Radio and was preparing to produce a podcast of a political nature. He said he has a faithful dog, curie and a community of neighbors who looked after him and he hated flies. Right up to the end,

4 (54m 33s):

We got flies all over the place. Shun of a bitch. Get outta here. You fucking flies. There’s a fly over the headlight. Tony and Sydnee. We got flies coming for us outta here flies. We got three flies, five flies. And if you will, make sure, if you will, we don’t have that fly on the left side on the passenger side, ’cause that we don’t have that in frame. But make sure we don’t have any flies here and we don’t have any flies. Get outta here. You goddamn jackass.

Holman (55m 9s):

He swat Are you gonna fly? In 1988, Reney, who was a former broadcast journalist, WANF made it a a name for himself by recording a Winnebago commercial or several and just couldn’t contain his anger. He was so That wasn, almost like recording. If you guys were in the studio watching Lightning and I record this episode, it’s, it’s very similar to that. All the stuff that ends up on the floor. But so

Lightning (55m 35s):

Wait a minute. I don’t think people, if if you’re new to Winnebago, man,

Holman (55m 38s):

Google it to find out how to stream it. You have to see it.

Lightning (55m 41s):

It’s right on YouTube. Yeah. Winnebago man. It it is right

Holman (55m 43s):

On YouTube, one of the greatest things you’ll ever find e essentially it’s the guy who was a pro who was hired to pimp Winnebago vehicles in these, you know, videos for new owners or commercials and just had profanity laced eruptions in between takes. And it’s very much like it is here. The, the podcast studio in the pod shed where when we flub and mess up, there are strings of tapestries of foul language that could rival Winnebago Man. Yet we don’t have anybody here doing outtakes, which is a really good thing. So anyway,

Lightning (56m 17s):

But hold on, hold on. You, you’re, you’re missing the point that,

Holman (56m 19s):

That I haven’t gotten to the point yet. Well, the,

Lightning (56m 21s):

Okay, so the point is that this was all recorded, right? And, and Jack Reney didn’t know that all these outtakes existed.

Holman (56m 27s):

No. and then there was like a subculture of v h s enthusiasts where That wasn like a tape trading community. And so this clip found a new audience through the found footage festival via Joe Pickett and Nick, I guess P Brewer. That wasn. A traveling show that basically celebrated the videos that time forgot dredged up in dusty thrift stores and estate sales throughout North America and just, it, it went on from there. Dine Bauer basically put it together in this documentary called the Winnebago Man and tries to find him. And it’s this whole thing of he comes across these tapes and then he finds the man behind it and then kind of delves into his life.

Holman (57m 10s):

And anyway, it’s, it’s freaking amazing.

Lightning (57m 12s):

So it’s amazing. And it’s actually touching.

Holman (57m 14s):

It’s touching. It’s amazing. And the guy

Lightning (57m 16s):

Did not know, check it out ’cause he freaked out and he moved up to the woods. Yeah. And like legit, like in isolation him and his dog. And he had no idea that he was legitimately famous among college kids all over the world. And so they drag him kicking and screaming to a theater.

Holman (57m 33s):

They’re like, you’re famous. He’s like, what? No, he had

Lightning (57m 36s):

No idea. He cannot figure it out. And at first he wanted nothing to do with it Took him a while to befriend him. So they finally get him to this theater where they have a screening and it’s, it’s moving, it is wild. Winnebago man, if you’ve never seen it, please

Holman (57m 49s):

Treat yourself. And it went, it went viral and he became this like begrudging, you know, celebrity. Like he didn’t want any bit of it, but then he couldn’t really turn it away Because, it came looking for him. And I really liked the last paragraph of this Entertainment Weekly story when they’re talking to Pickett and p Purer and he says, Jack was the holy grail of v h s heroes. We wanted to meet but were nervous he’d hate us or throw a punch. Instead. When we met him at a show and he saw How much joy, his hilarious outtakes brought people, he actually hugged us at the end of the night. And keep in mind, this is a man who called to fly a goddamn jackass. We’ve all had frustrating days at work, but none of us has expressed it as colorfully or as eloquently as Jack Rebny.

Holman (58m 29s):

He will be missed. And this podcast has dropped some Jack Rebny quotes from time to time. Acc Ma, that’s where that comes from. The

4 (58m 37s):

ACC ma that you will need ACC

Holman (58m 39s):

Ma. So that’s all Winnebago man. Again, if you have not seen that documentary, it is definitely one of the more fun lighthearted touching. You won’t, you won’t see it coming and then it all of a sudden you’re like, man this is it. Touch it pulls my heartstrings.

Lightning (58m 56s):

If you have teenagers that are old enough to hear curse words, yeah, it’s, it’s your duty as a parent to treat them to it.

Holman (59m 4s):

Alright, lighting. Did you hear? How

Lightning (59m 6s):

About new? Nope, don don’t think so.

Holman (59m 9s):

Oh man. Last week was the 24 Tacoma this week. It’s the all new Chevy Colorado ZR two Bison Whatcha talking. About

Lightning (59m 21s):

Was, oh my Lord.

Holman (59m 23s):

All right, so Chevy Colorado zero two, badass little mid-size pickup truck and it’s on 30 threes. And then GM went to a little company you may have heard of called American Expedition Vehicles and said, can you make us relevant again? And AEV said, did, do you think they said that, hold my beer tires 3 15 70 R seventeens, which are basically 30 fives. They, they work out to like a 34 and a half. But for all you know, they’re the P metric or LT metric equivalent of a 35. That’s huge. No other mid-size track. Even the range Raptor 30 threes, Tacoma 30 threes, they’re on the AEV B lock capable wheels.

Holman (1h 0m 3s):

So that’s pretty cool. It’s got special big old AEV fender flares on it that are specific to the Bison. The flares stick out further to cover the extra inch of track width compared to a standard ZR two, which already has wider track track width.

Lightning (1h 0m 15s):

Tell me about the bumpers please.

Holman (1h 0m 17s):

The Bison also sits a half inch higher and they even removed material so behind the tires so that the, they wouldn’t rub, which is awesome. So bumpers, hold on. How about hydraulic bump stops front end rear Wait a minute. Do

Lightning (1h 0m 34s):

Any other mid-size trucks have hydraulic bump stops from the factory?

Holman (1h 0m 37s):

No. Huh. And there’s no other truck that has hydraulic bump stops except for your T R X in the front with the Bilstein JCOs.

Lightning (1h 0m 45s):


Holman (1h 0m 45s):

And so you get the Multimatic D S S V shocks, which are awesome. You get hydraulic bump stops front and rear. You get the same rock sliders that are on the zero two. But the new bumpers are unique to the Bison. They’re AEV design bumpers made by AEV, not just licensed to GM from AEV. They actually make ’em and they’re winch capable in the front and hot stamped

Lightning (1h 1m 7s):

Boron steel. You get

Holman (1h 1m 8s):

Five hot, hot stamped Bo steel skid plates underneath from just three aluminum skid plates on the regular zero two. Wow. That’s a, that’s a big deal. You

Lightning (1h 1m 16s):

Can get messy,

Holman (1h 1m 17s):

You can, you can have some fun. The standard Colorados have a 7,700 pound towing capacity. The zero two Bison is down to 5,900 pounds compared to 6,000 of the zero two. It also loses some bed space ’cause it gets a bed mounted spare AEV style if you’ve seen a Prospector xl the way they mount it in the driver’s front corner, that’s how it is also from the factory. So you get a full sized spare with a matching aluminum AEV Wheel, not just a steel Wheel So. it looks cool So, it looks, it looks really good. No extra power. I’m

Lightning (1h 1m 46s):

Kind of surprised they didn’t add a slight tune to it. you know, a 25 30 horse,

Holman (1h 1m 50s):

Hmm I mean you could already get the high output on the zero two, which is 430 pound tore. I, I forgot about that. The other thing you note, the payload capacity is actually 230 pounds less at 1050 pounds. I mean, which, hold on. So what doesn’t sound like a lot, but you gotta remember it already has 30 fives and skid plates and winch bumpers and sliders. you know, when you look at, everybody gave the last generation Tacoma a hard time Because, it had, you know, eight, 1200 pounds or something like that. Or some of the models were around a thousand or something. Everybody’s like, oh that sucks. And then people are gonna look at this go, oh that sucks. No, no, no, the Tacoma had that before you had everything. You’re getting the AEV Bison edition of the zero two with basically all the stuff you need and you still have a thousand pounds of payload.

Holman (1h 2m 33s):

So just wanting to put that out there because there’s could be a lot of people, you know, complaining. It’s capable producing 310 horsepower. And again the 430 pound fee torque on regular 87 and it gets in eight speed automatic transmission with locking differentials front and rear I mean, dude, it’s, it’s, that’s a, yeah, this is legit. So the Bison has a 1.5 inch higher ride height departure. Breakover angles go to 26 and 26.9 degrees and the truck’s approach angle is 38.2. So that’s, that’s pretty darn good for a pickup truck of any size. So one other piece of info that’s interesting to note is Chevy wanted the AEV Bison package with 35 so bad that when they design the Colorado, they move the front axle for 3.1 inches relative to the previous generation just to fit those tires.

Holman (1h 3m 23s):

And so they say, oh it’s Wheel based. It’s right handling on the luer models. But the reality is they did that for the 30 fives on the AEV package. Gotcha. Which is pretty freaking freaking rad. So Wheel travel is a really respectable 9.9 inches of front suspension and 11.6 inches of rear travel. So this thing should be absolutely a beast in the desert. And they did add a half inch body lift, which goes toward the extra Tire size for that overall right height increase. So

Lightning (1h 3m 48s):

Here’s the million sits, right, here’s the million dollar question. When will you get one for us to go romp out in the desert?

Holman (1h 3m 55s):

Probably when they’re available later this year Here. Here’s another thing people are gonna ask, what’s the travel on a 2024 Ranger Raptor? 10 inches front 11.5 of the river. So almost identical to this. Those two side by side are gonna be absolutely awesome. So

Lightning (1h 4m 9s):

Remind me again who wins the horsepower war? The Ranger Raptor or the Colorado Bison edition?

Holman (1h 4m 15s):

So for sure it’s the Ranger Raptor. They both have the same torque at four 30, but the Ranger Raptor has 405 horsepower and it’s got a three that are V six versus the turbo force cylinder. But it all depends on belt lag and transmission and all that stuff. And honestly, as much as I like the Ranger Raptor kinda loving the way the Bison zero two looks, ground clearance is 12.2 inches compared to the Raptor’s 10.7. Yeah. I mean that’s, that’s significant. It is.

Lightning (1h 4m 43s):

That’s snow driving over Home Depot paint bucket though. No,

Holman (1h 4m 46s):

That’s a Quinn 74 Weld thing for sure. Yeah, but I mean, dude that’s, that’s pretty crazy. So anyway, other options specific to Bison are things such as AEV branded leather with yellow stitching. You can even get yellow seat belts, which I kind of, I like contrasting seat belts. I do too.

Lightning (1h 5m 3s):

But yellow is probably gonna get you too dirty. Yeah,

Holman (1h 5m 5s):

It might be too bright. Yeah. I like the red that came on the anniversary edition recons of the wranglers. I I think that looks really nice. Some of the Porsches with their contrasting seat belts are pretty cool. So I

Lightning (1h 5m 15s):

Would’ve liked to have red ones in the T R X. They don’t offer ’em. I’ll,

Holman (1h 5m 18s):

I’ll have to see it in person. Yellow might be bright, but it might also be pretty cool until you eat tacos and drip grease all over ’em. Oh yeah, yeah. That’s bad. And then AEV designed underbody cameras mounted near the transmission gives you a view toward the front or rear of the truck with lens washer nozzles. Really? Yeah. I mean, dude, that That is a lot of content. That’s a lot of stuff Yout have to do. Market

Lightning (1h 5m 40s):

Truck, it has gotta be going for 60 to start.

Holman (1h 5m 43s):

It’s gotta be somewhere around there. Yeah, but I’m just thinking like if you’re gonna buy a mid-size truck and you want the ultimate off roader and you want 30 fives fully warrantied, you’re still have to go do it with the Ranger Raptor or a Ranger FX four or a Tacoma.

Lightning (1h 5m 58s):

So what I’m hearing is our buddy Andre, who just had his Colorado freak out is crying in his soup because he wishes he would’ve bought this one

Holman (1h 6m 6s):

I mean he might, he might be. Yeah. So you may wonder about the Tacoma Trail Hunters power output three ten four thirty for the Chevy 3 26, 4 65 for the Toyota, which is also hybrid. So it’ll be, it’ll be interesting to see how everything stacks up. I I’m looking forward to, to driving each of the new mids sizes. ’cause there are so much awesome stuff out there right now. And of course they haven’t announced it yet, but G M C gets a version of the canyon, which I think the front end, I like the canyon front end. It’s pretty tight.

Lightning (1h 6m 39s):

We always tend to like the GMC CSS better because they have the big mouth, you know what I mean? They just, they look more menacing from, from the, except

Holman (1h 6m 44s):

For those ones that look like molars. They had the molar grill a few years ago. Look like a big giant tooth right between two headlights. I

Lightning (1h 6m 49s):

I don’t recall which one you’re pull it up. What are you talking about?

Holman (1h 6m 53s):

The 2021 molar?

Lightning (1h 6m 56s):

Let me see here. Oh, yep, that’s a, that’s one big twofer right in the front. Yep. I know what you’re saying.

Holman (1h 7m 0s):

So I. I think the, I think the Canyon is a really, really well designed sexy truck. Hey lighting, did you hear?

Lightning (1h 7m 8s):

No. Nope.

Holman (1h 7m 9s):

Apparently the rivian R one T and R one Ss will not get tanked turn after all

Lightning (1h 7m 15s):

Ooh. Why?

Holman (1h 7m 17s):

So of course they posted on the internet and everybody got intrigued by tank turn and apparently

Lightning (1h 7m 24s):

Are they gonna say it’s dangerous, you’re gonna go on the cliff or something like that?

Holman (1h 7m 26s):

Well that and also damaging to trail Because, it left ruts and things like that. So Rivian is saying, well that’s counter to their mission. And they’re like, we can do it, but it would be easily abused and we don’t want to tear up trails. But the thing that’s a shame is where I see tank turn would’ve been really cool is Rivian is really unique. It’s the only pickup out there with four motors a motor per Wheel, which allows you to do tank turn because like even the Hummer’s a three motor. And so, which with individual control at the wheels you could do tank turn and when you are stuck, you would be able to tank turn out of your ruts in mud and things like that. Like I I I could see tank turn being used to as like an extraction mode and I, I hope they reconsider and at least do something where maybe it doesn’t let you do 360 pirouettes at the very least, but it would do something to alter the direction of the

Lightning (1h 8m 11s):

Vehicle. It’s gonna say like one mile an hour max or something, right? Yeah. Just, yeah. But I can imagine that would turn up on like every, every street takeover video. Instead of doing donuts, you’d have rivian doing tank turns in the middle of like La Senega and Manchester. Yeah. I

Holman (1h 8m 26s):

Mean Yeah, Rivian takeover. But on the trail, I, I think, I think it’s fine. I think, I think you could have, you could’ve gotten away with it with maybe some guardrails there because I think it could have been super useful. So it’s, it’s sad that they are walking away from tank turn. I know a lot of people were, were expecting it, but No, no bueno. Hey lighting, did you hear? No,

14 (1h 8m 48s):


Lightning (1h 8m 49s):


Holman (1h 8m 51s):

Did you hear about the tow truck flatbed that became a Dukes of Hazard ramp for a Georgia driver?

Lightning (1h 8m 58s):

I heard about it. I didn’t see it. You

Holman (1h 8m 60s):


Lightning (1h 8m 60s):

Seen it? No. You

Holman (1h 9m 1s):

Haven’t seen a Nissan Altima launch at like 50 miles an hour? Nope. Off the back of a tow truck? Nope. And hit another Altima.

Lightning (1h 9m 10s):

No show to me. Oh my

Holman (1h 9m 12s):

Gosh. So this is the police officer’s body camera.

Lightning (1h 9m 19s):

Okay. He’s on a scene of another crash and

Holman (1h 9m 22s):

He’s watching ass. Oh my God.

Lightning (1h 9m 23s):

Oh no. Oh my Lord.

14 (1h 9m 28s):

Second video

Lightning (1h 9m 32s):

Now he’s running after the car that just, how do we explain this? So it’s a tow truck.

Holman (1h 9m 38s):

It’s everything you’ve ever wanted. Do as a car enthusiast, when you have seen a ramp truck or a tow truck with the ramp that flat can, you’re like, hey, jump this. That person did it completely cleared it. And cars are so safe today That Altima, that person apparently was okay if you can believe that.

Lightning (1h 9m 56s):

What, play that again, that was ridiculous. Sorry about this crappy quality audio. But That wasn again from like a GoPro style? No, That

Holman (1h 10m 5s):

Wasn. A body

Lightning (1h 10m 5s):

Cam. A body cam. Yeah. Cars come along in the fast lane. Oh, hits the ramp, goes over the cab of the tow truck skies it more than a hundred feet in distance, about

Holman (1h 10m 15s):

120 feet they say. Oh and yeah, That wasn captured on the, so basically there was a scene, imagine a divided highway with two lanes in each direction. There’s a crash on one side, they’re tending to the crash. The tow truck was on the other side. We had a big green grassy median, your typical southeastern style freeway. And apparently the driver of the other vehicle lost attentiveness. Apparently That wasn a a 21 year old driver who was transported to the hospital after being removed from the vehicle. And somebody on Reddit had had said that the, the bar on the back of the rollback or the front of the rollback was destroyed, but it, the cab was okay on the tow truck. If you can believe that.

Lightning (1h 10m 54s):

It doesn’t make sense when you see it. You’d think that the rollback and the cab would stop the car from going over the cab. And it didn’t.

Holman (1h 11m 4s):

It didn’t because the car That wasn going a fast, so

Lightning (1h 11m 6s):

Fast, just skipped like a rock right over the cab.

Holman (1h 11m 10s):

According to the lowndes, I guess L o N D E s County Sheriff’s Office. The Altima traveled approximately 120 feet in the air, then it made contact with the ground, hit a second Nissan Altima while That wasn rolling over and then traveled another 23 feet before coming to a stop. And the driver was cited for not wearing a seatbelt.

Lightning (1h 11m 33s):


Holman (1h 11m 33s):

What? Yeah, according to this report. So anyway, crazy crash scene and once again, four or

Lightning (1h 11m 42s):

Five people tried to show that to me and And you wouldn’t do it? No. That wasn. Just like, were

Holman (1h 11m 45s):

You afraid That wasn a snuff film?

Lightning (1h 11m 46s):

I didn’t want, I don’t want, I don’t like seeing people die. You did. I was, well, I I didn’t know that at the time. So That is, that’s the silver lining.

Holman (1h 11m 54s):

Hey lighting, did you hear? No.

Lightning (1h 11m 57s):


Holman (1h 11m 59s):

Our friends over at Jeep have jumped the shark and I’m not okay with it.

Lightning (1h 12m 4s):

Tell me more, please.

Holman (1h 12m 5s):

Apparently, thanks.

Lightning (1h 12m 6s):

So Coleman loves all things Jeep thinks

Holman (1h 12m 8s):

To something that I have been joking about. I put it out in the universe and now it’s coming. True. Jeep is toying with autonomous Offroad driving technology. Ugh. Apparently Jeep is outfitted two electrified Grand Cherokee, four Xes with the new technology. And basically they teased a video and they are teaching the Jeeps how to drive Offroad with obstacles, which is obviously way harder than, than it is on the road I would imagine. And they’re saying according to Jeep, that the automaker thinks the tech will be helpful for seasoned off roaders and novice adventurers allowing more customers around the world to enjoy the adventure.

Holman (1h 12m 60s):

I think that’s awful. I think that the whole point of off-roading is your skill and you’re driving and if you just have a vehicle doing it for you, I just, I’m not okay with it. But just I mean they talked about the vehicle possibly, you know, being able to get you out of a jam if you get into something above your skill level, things like that. Maybe it could be used to help somebody get unstuck. Maybe the vehicle’s better than you. I just, I don’t see it. It’s a sport. It’s like saying, oh, we’re going to have f one cars driven remotely by people in a warehouse or something.

Holman (1h 13m 41s):

I just,

Lightning (1h 13m 42s):

Well that

Holman (1h 13m 44s):

I just can’t get behind it. I just think it’s one of those things that’s sacred and nothing sacred anymore and it just don don’t know. Just hurts me a little bit. Cool technology bro, but, but not for me. Hey Lighting, did you hear? No.

Lightning (1h 13m 59s):

Nope, I didn’t.

Holman (1h 14m 1s):

Rich Rebuilds, which is a YouTube channel, uncle Rich, apparently he,

Lightning (1h 14m 6s):

You know, me and Uncle Rich are pros, right?

Holman (1h 14m 8s):

Are you,

Lightning (1h 14m 9s):

I I actually,

Holman (1h 14m 10s):

Did he call you about his rivian?

Lightning (1h 14m 12s):

No, he

Holman (1h 14m 13s):

Didn’t, he didn’t call you about his rivian that had a minor accident and while his truck was being,

Lightning (1h 14m 19s):

He doesn’t just call me whenever, but when he does need some bank stuff or he’s got a question about engines and he’s got something for, he’s like, Hey, I need to ask Gail something. Can you hook a brother up? And I, and I do. Okay. And I walk him into GA and

Holman (1h 14m 32s):

Said, so

Lightning (1h 14m 33s):

He didn he didn’t tell you, Hey, my, my buddy Rich’s got a question for you, Gail. He didn’t

Holman (1h 14m 35s):

Tell you that he got a minor accident that was no big deal in That, wasn, Rivian. And then it got rear ended again after That wasn fixed and the body shop it came up to $37,475.

Lightning (1h 14m 44s):

No, no.

Holman (1h 14m 45s):

Yeah. So, so if you remember we talked about an R one T owner who is somewhere in the Midwest, like maybe Ohio, who had a fender bed in the repe and the repair bill was something like 42,000. I’m like, that’s the shop probably like, you know, checking all the boxes, right?

Lightning (1h 14m 59s):

No, it’s not

Holman (1h 14m 60s):

I mean. So Rich basically has it on his YouTube page. You should check it out, but 37, 4 75. And when you see the damage, it doesn’t look that bad. Is that parts, is that skill not enough of been crash to know how to fix ’em? Is it more out? I don’t know.

Lightning (1h 15m 16s):

I think there’s no parts,

Holman (1h 15m 17s):

But dude, that’s a lot of money.

Lightning (1h 15m 18s):

I just think that they’re not enough of ’em on the road. So there probably aren’t the parts being is not stacked deep and they’re not selling them cheap.

Holman (1h 15m 25s):

Okay. Gideon I

Lightning (1h 15m 26s):

Mean, what does it do when you smoosh the battery pack? What does it do?

Holman (1h 15m 29s):

Well, the battery pack. Well, I I’m not worried about the battery pack because the battery pack is in between, you know, the skateboard and the axles. It’s, it’s whatever gets crunched in the rear. But I mean I’m, yeah, but I’m not saying there’s not sensors and all that kind stuff. But if

Lightning (1h 15m 41s):

You, if you scrunched

Holman (1h 15m 42s):

That wasn $40,000

Lightning (1h 15m 44s):

Again, you’re, you’re not listening. It ripples all the way through the chassis. Right. Doesn’t, if you hitt hit something in the back, it doesn you can scrunch.

Holman (1h 15m 50s):

They’re unibody. So, right. So it’s not like a pickup truck that has a bed separate from the cab. Once again, this is a reason why we advocate pickup trucks being bed separate from the cab because the bed gets ss munched the rest of the truck’s. Okay. So all you people are like, oh, you know, buddy pickup truck, yay. No, not so much. But it doesn’t always, sometimes there’s crumble zones built into the quarters and So it won’t carry forward to the doors and misaligned and all that. But dude,

Lightning (1h 16m 14s):

I just I mean that’s a Ferrari bill.

Holman (1h 16m 16s):

That’s a lot of money. Yeah, that’s, that’s painful.

Lightning (1h 16m 21s):

Oh, rich has the staff to fix it. So he won’t probably spend that money. He’ll do it himself, but, or his crew. He’s got like a bunch of dudes and chicks working for him and he’s got quite a, quite an operation over there. If you’ve never seen Rich Rebuilds, it is a great channel. He is really, really

Holman (1h 16m 40s):

Serious. We should get him on, on the show if you’re buddies.

Lightning (1h 16m 42s):

I, I will

Holman (1h 16m 42s):

I mean, why haven’t, why do I always have

Lightning (1h 16m 44s):

To say, Hey, I just don’t think about it.

Holman (1h 16m 46s):

What? We don’t think about it. Because

Lightning (1h 16m 47s):

I think about like news stories and I, dude, I just got a freaking reporter from Atlanta. I didn’t know him. I so a week ago. I’m

Holman (1h 16m 52s):

So disappointed in you. You deal with all this stuff. You’re like, oh yeah, I know that guy. I’m like, why are we talking to him on the show?

Lightning (1h 16m 59s):

I just didn’t think about it. He actually has offered to be on the show before. That’s the comedy. No

Holman (1h 17m 3s):

He hasn’t. Yes.

Lightning (1h 17m 3s):

I swear to you. I swear.

Holman (1h 17m 5s):

Text him right now. Tell him to be on the show. He wanted talk about,

Lightning (1h 17m 7s):

He’s on the east coast,

Holman (1h 17m 8s):

So who caress?

Lightning (1h 17m 9s):

He’s in mass.

Holman (1h 17m 10s):

Tell him I’m, I’m recording and you wanna be on the show sometime in the future. I wanna see if he’s really your friend. All right, here we go. This is

Lightning (1h 17m 16s):

Just rich.

Holman (1h 17m 17s):

This is your penance for not asking him during business hours. Right

Lightning (1h 17m 23s):

Here. Look at that. What do you see there?

Holman (1h 17m 27s):

Yeah, I I’m not debate. I’m not, yeah, this

Lightning (1h 17m 29s):

Is my text thread with

Holman (1h 17m 29s):

Him. I Got it. I’m not debating that you don’t have texts with him. Okay. I’m debating your, your decision not to support The Truck Show Podcast. But saying, Hey, you’d be a perfect guest.

Lightning (1h 17m 38s):

I’m a moron. What do you want?

Holman (1h 17m 40s):

Okay, well that forgetful, that’s why that admission did, that was enough for me. Hey lighting, did you hear? No, somebody leaked a bunch of cyber truck interior photos onto the internet. Are

Lightning (1h 17m 53s):

They angular?

Holman (1h 17m 54s):

It looks boring. Can I see them?

Lightning (1h 17m 57s):


Holman (1h 17m 58s):

I literally on the screen. I literally have it on the TV

Lightning (1h 17m 59s):

For, you know, you put up on the screen. Lemme look to my left. That’s why I had,

Holman (1h 18m 2s):

I literally put a 42 inch TV in this studio studio so you can see

Lightning (1h 18m 5s):

It. But I’m looking at you Now, I turn around, turn the other way. Okay, I see it. Here we go. That looks like the steering Wheel that no one wants, right?

Holman (1h 18m 12s):

It’s an oval. Yeah, it’s a flattened oval. And then it has one screen. There’s nothing in front of the driver.

Lightning (1h 18m 17s):

Oh, by the way, you know, this is a, I’m gonna steal it. The term from Gale, this is called OB round

Holman (1h 18m 22s):

A round. Okay. A brown or as Ford used to call him a squirkle.

Lightning (1h 18m 26s):

A squar. I like that. Yeah. Back

Holman (1h 18m 27s):

In the day. It looks like a Lumina M p v minivan dash, because the windshield is four feet in front of the driver.

Lightning (1h 18m 35s):


Holman (1h 18m 36s):

And then look at the center console is ribbed like an old Mercedes except there’s no wood on top So. it just looks cheap. I don’t know, dude, that’s

Lightning (1h 18m 44s):

Super weird. And I love the destructo switch. Look on, you see this yellow switch over here? Yep. This is, that’s the kill switch for high voltage on the right. Yeah, of

Holman (1h 18m 53s):

Course. Yeah. Interesting. Because it’s, it’s still an engineering vehicle, right? It just looks boring. It’s just all the two shades of gray.

Lightning (1h 19m 0s):


Holman (1h 19m 2s):

And it just,

Lightning (1h 19m 3s):

That is so bland and boring. I can’t even believe how bland That is. Right. Oh, and it has two Look at the thumb controls on the steering Wheel. So

Holman (1h 19m 11s):

There, well that’s the same Tesla controls that they have now.

Lightning (1h 19m 12s):

Oh, it does? The wheels. Okay. I didn’t, I

Holman (1h 19m 14s):

Didn’t know. They, they, all the Teslas have the same controls and there’s no stocks. you know, it’s, it automatically figures out when you’re turning, I guess. And it does the like magic, like swipe your hand in front of the screen for shifting and Right. Anyway, long story short is that the story’s not very long. It’s ugly.

Lightning (1h 19m 31s):

And the dude that shot these is gonna get busted ’cause it’s dude his

Holman (1h 19m 34s):


Lightning (1h 19m 35s):

Is showing. Yeah, that would be, so he’s a Tesla employee with a Tesla tag hanging around his waist.

Holman (1h 19m 40s):

Well, you know, you never know. Elon maybe said take a picture and post on Twitter. Who knows? Okay. But anyway, it’s,

Lightning (1h 19m 46s):

Man, is that bland milk toast? Vanilla boring. Yeah,

Holman (1h 19m 50s):

Sure. You’d rather have that than your T R X. Wow.

Lightning (1h 19m 52s):

That is the absolute opposite of my T R X. Yep. I’m not even joking that there’s no way for that to be more opposite.

Holman (1h 19m 58s):

No, it’s just, it’s just sterile.

Lightning (1h 20m 0s):

Holy crap.

Holman (1h 20m 1s):

Nothing about it goes Ooh. I want to drive and

Lightning (1h 20m 3s):

Be part of it. you know, that, that interior is,

Holman (1h 20m 6s):

Did you see the picture?

Lightning (1h 20m 7s):

That is seventies? Did you That’s so retro. No, that’s

Holman (1h 20m 10s):

Not retro. I mean

Lightning (1h 20m 11s):

Like, no, no, no.

Holman (1h 20m 11s):

Like I mean somebody didn’t have that kind of plastic,

Lightning (1h 20m 14s):

I guess not 70 early eighties. what is that? Did

Holman (1h 20m 17s):

You see the pictures last week of what the production cyber truck looks like? No.

Lightning (1h 20m 22s):

I remember you talking about I mean That wasn off air. But I I I didn’t see those. Alright,

Holman (1h 20m 27s):

So here’s the outside and So. it still has the light bar and it still has, and

Lightning (1h 20m 33s):

When we say the light bar, there’s a headlight that goes all the way across Across.

Holman (1h 20m 36s):

Yep. Yep. And now it has triangular mirrors on it. And you can see some pictures of the bed area.

Lightning (1h 20m 44s):

It’s got some kind of util track looking. Yeah. It’s Got it tie

Holman (1h 20m 48s):

Downs and stuff like that. The rear window. And don don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s,

Lightning (1h 20m 53s):

It’s taking shape.

Holman (1h 20m 55s):

Yeah. The fenders. It’s got the triangular mirrors now. It still has that one stupid giant windshield Wiper. I mean it’s definitely gonna have road presence. you know, you’re gonna know what it is, but it’s of

Lightning (1h 21m 6s):

Course everyone, it’s gonna be the, the bee’s knees at every car. And truck show for

Holman (1h 21m 11s):

I mean everybody wanna see it.

Lightning (1h 21m 12s):

It’s the moment it comes out. And every early adopter’s trying to get their hands on one so they can be the guy cars and coffee that everyone salivates over. Like, oh, look at this freak show of a truck. But they all want to be the owner of that freak show.

Holman (1h 21m 25s):

I, I guess I just, I

Lightning (1h 21m 26s):

Get it. I totally get it. But

Holman (1h 21m 28s):

How do you get into the ba like you have to not care about, you know, backseat and utility. And,

Lightning (1h 21m 33s):

And by the way, tell me that the quad is gonna be real. You always see the quad mention, you know, shown right here. Who knows? That quad is so dope. don

Holman (1h 21m 39s):

Don’t know. I’m just, I I remember that. If you guys know I’ve had a chance to do cyber truck early bef you know, weeks before That wasn unveiled. And I’ll never forget that time. I ended it. Anyway. Hey Lightning, did you hear don? Don’t think I don don’t know. I’ve, we we’ve taken, I’ve said it on the show four or five times and we’ve taken it out every time. I think.

Lightning (1h 21m 60s):

Are you gonna make me take it? Can I leave it in the time chance?

Holman (1h 22m 2s):

So I didn’t say enough. I just dented it once. Just leave don don’t

Lightning (1h 22m 7s):

Know how I’m leaving it in. Well, we’ll find out. No, it just happened. I left it in. All

Holman (1h 22m 10s):

Right. All right. Hey Lightning, did you hear? No. Nope. U t v fans rejoice. The 2024 Polaris Expedition side Byside looks like a four-door Jeep.

Lightning (1h 22m 19s):

Yeah. Why, why build that at, at that point

Holman (1h 22m 21s):

It has a heat and air conditioning.

Lightning (1h 22m 22s):

At that point, just buy, get a Jeep. Buy a

Holman (1h 22m 24s):

Jeep Jeep. Seriously. Or

Lightning (1h 22m 25s):

Buy that other Jeep that looks like a, that’s not a Jeep. That looks like a Jeep that can

Holman (1h 22m 29s):

Get, they even have a rooftop 10.

Lightning (1h 22m 30s):

Who are the people that we interviewed? No, I Got it has a

Holman (1h 22m 32s):

Rooftop 10 on a UT v. It’s stupid.

Lightning (1h 22m 34s):

Why buy a goddamn gt? ’cause you still need

Holman (1h 22m 37s):

A truck and a trailer too, just like I mean. I get it, but you’re sort of jumping the shark. All right, just so I’m just gonna hit all the, the main things Because it, whatever, 999 cc parallel twin Prostar 1000 gen two engine 114 horsepower. It’s the same engine that debuted in the Polaris Razor xp. It also gets a 12 gallon fuel capacity, which gives you more than 200 miles of range, but it still has a C V T. It does have high and low range gears on-demand. All Wheel drive Fox podium, qss three dampers with position sensitive spiral technology. Two inch diameter in the front, two and a half in the rear. It gets 30 inch tires, 14 inches of ground clearance.

Holman (1h 23m 21s):

Wheel travels, 14 inches front 15 rear. It sounds fun, but

Lightning (1h 23m 25s):

Do you know this thing’s gotta be into the thirties, forties, 30 forties. It’s gotta be. yeah.

Holman (1h 23m 31s):

Dude, I I don, I don’t know if they’ve announced pricing yet, but, oh, there it is here.

Lightning (1h 23m 35s):


Holman (1h 23m 37s):

31 9 99. No, no,

Lightning (1h 23m 39s):

Keep going.

Holman (1h 23m 40s):

Hold on. For the mid range, it starts at 28 9 9. The fully candid Northstar XB $38,999. That’s the same price to repair a bent up Rivian.

Lightning (1h 23m 56s):

I’m just

Holman (1h 23m 57s):

Saying. Anyway, I I don’t get, I why

Lightning (1h 23m 60s):

Are they making side-by-sides?

Holman (1h 24m 2s):

Because there’s people who live in Wisconsin like Jeeps, who are gonna take these hunting and they’re on trail systems and they’re never gonna touch the road. I get that for everybody else. I don’t get it. It’s weird. I’m sorry. Maybe I’m pompous. Hey lighting, did you hear?

16 (1h 24m 18s):

No, no, no.

Lightning (1h 24m 22s):

Nope. I did not. Alright.

Holman (1h 24m 23s):

This is our, our last news story. I wanna save this one for the end a little bit sad, a little bit happy. But Mark Allen, head of Jeep Design, the gentleman who was just on the podcast about a month ago, a month and a half ago. So don’t

Lightning (1h 24m 38s):

Tell me he

Holman (1h 24m 38s):

Quit. Go listen to that. He’s the guy that has done all the wacky Easter Jeep concepts for the past 15 years or whatever, retiring from Jeep after 30 years. No,

Lightning (1h 24m 50s):

God no. No.

Holman (1h 24m 51s):

Yeah, it’s, that makes me sad a lot. No,

Lightning (1h 24m 55s):

Mark, Mark Allen. No. He, he deserve aint so he

Holman (1h 24m 58s):

Deserves it. But if you think about it, and I, I wrote a little social post on him yesterday. Love letter and a little bit of a love letter. And what I’ll tell you I is Mark is as indelible to the Jeep brand as the seventh slot grill. He has been in charge of Jeep design for so long that all of the favorite vehicles that have gone through have had Mark’s touches. He’s the guy that started Easter Eggs in the industry for, for the most part, he’s the guy that started Red Tow hooks. Every manufacturer now including Toyota and GM with the red tow hooks can all go back to Jeep and the red to hooks on the Rubicon as something Mark Allen did.

Holman (1h 25m 38s):

He has been, he has left his mark on the industry. He’s left his mark clearly on the Jeep brand. And he is a hell of a nice guy. Gracious as always, when we ask him for an interview, always has great stories to tell. And just the way the storytelling in the detail work of what he does, everything has a purpose and a story. There’s a, there’s a reason for everything. Having known him for the past 20 years has been awesome. Walking around, talking, design, seeing little things that he is done and have him give me the backstory on that stuff. It’s always been super special. And I, I’m excited for my friend in retirement, but Jeep will not be the same without Mark Allen. So a little, little thank you to Mark and tribute products.

Holman (1h 26m 20s):

you know, like the Wrangler, the jk, the JL were done under Mark’s watch. I mean, that’s I mean, that’s massive. Bringing back the kink in the grill, all the Yj Grand Cherokee, the new Grand Cherokee, the wl, the wk, the wk two, the gladiator I mean, just go down the list of amazing vehicles that he, he’s turned out and set kind of the, the two schools of design. The iconic Wrangler design, which is Gladiator Wrangler two-door, Wrangler four-door, and then the mainline, which is, you know, Cherokee and Renegade and Grand Cherokee Wagoner. And then also the guy who has the, the Skittles collection of colors.

Holman (1h 27m 4s):

If you’ve loved all the crazy colors that Jeeps have come in the greens,

Lightning (1h 27m 6s):

The pinks, the purples.

Holman (1h 27m 7s):

That’s, that’s Mark. And if you liked all the crazy mute tones, so everybody that has a concrete gray, you know, paint color in, in, you know, that was that stuff like that was coming outta Mark’s design studio a lot longer before you saw it in production. All those vinyl siding colors that he likes to call it. So anyway, he, he will be greatly missed. I

Lightning (1h 27m 27s):

Doubt he’s not dead, he’s just retiring.

Holman (1h 27m 29s):

I doubt that there’ll be any fat bearded men Easter eggs on, on anything. I have feeling

Lightning (1h 27m 34s):

Missed my friend. He will still be showing up at Easter Jeep Safari and places like that. ’cause he’s, he’s a lifer. We’ll see.

Holman (1h 27m 39s):

Yeah, we’ll see. I mean, I I

Lightning (1h 27m 41s):

You think he’s gonna go move to like if some deserted island?

Holman (1h 27m 43s):

No, he said he is moving out west somewhere. He’s leaving Michigan. He’s going, he says he doesn’t know where, but he’s looking forward to his new adventure and he, so he is gonna

Lightning (1h 27m 49s):

Be closer to us

Holman (1h 27m 50s):

And Yes. And he’s actually building a TJ brute that is AEV.

Lightning (1h 27m 56s):

So why can’t he be a correspondent for us?

Holman (1h 27m 59s):

’cause he’s retired.

Lightning (1h 27m 60s):

No, but like we, because

Holman (1h 28m 1s):

He doesn’t like us that much. Oh really, I’ll tell you two, two Mark Allen stories. If you go to my social, you’ll see a picture of the 6.4 liter, which is the precursor to 3 92 Wrangler on a JK platform. And I’m gonna pull it up for you right now Lightning, so you can see it on the, on the big screen here. And so we were all driving concepts years and years ago in, in Moab. And this thing was a black two-door soft top Wrangler JK with a 6.4 Hemi in it. You can see a picture of us laughing our butts off. But this was the precursor to 3 92. It, we had a bunch of AEV parts on it.

Holman (1h 28m 42s):


Lightning (1h 28m 42s):

This is not the one you got up on two wheels and almost rolled.

Holman (1h 28m 44s):

No, no, no, that’s, I never almost rolled anything. Oh, two wheels are sure. That wasn

Lightning (1h 28m 47s):

That wasn. A 3 92 that you almost rolled.

Holman (1h 28m 48s):

So you can see Mark Allen in the passenger seat. You can see me driving, laughing my ass off because this is one of the most fun times I think we ever had. That’s a photo.

Lightning (1h 28m 58s):

Okay. So Wait a minute. This is a photo of the Jeep blasting sand out of the rear Wheel wells. And then it’s billowing into the cab. And I can’t see people inside because there’s so much sand everywhere that it almost looks photoshopped like a wizard came in and went

Holman (1h 29m 20s):

Poof. you know what? It looks like it, what was the, the mummy or the sandstorm? That’s

Lightning (1h 29m 24s):

That’s, that’s what I’m going for. It looks

Holman (1h 29m 25s):

Like the mummy. It is inside. So that vehicle, it’s

Lightning (1h 29m 27s):

About like a monster’s about to materialize. Yeah. In the pa in the driver’s seat. That’s

Holman (1h 29m 30s):

Me driving and Mark Allen in the passenger seat. And he said when that vehicle was eventually crushed like five years later, sand was still pouring out of it and they never Got it. And that was a vehicle that was built specifically for Mike Manley who was the c e O of Jeep at the time. And he said despite all efforts, sand was in that vehicle forever. And we still joke to this day, he’s like, what? There’s sand in my ears because of that. And then the other thing I’ll tell you is when the Renegade came out, I made Mark sick ’cause he was in the backseat. He’s like, yeah, We Are in Malibu. He’s like, push it. And the Renegade with the little one four turbo and the stick or the whatever the little engine was was like a riot to drive Because. it just got stupid and greasy at the limit so you can really push it and it wasn’t gonna bite you. And I remember pushing it through the apexes and all this stuff and Mark, mark was in the backseat and he’s like, right.

Holman (1h 30m 13s):

Yep, good. You did it right. you know it’s gotta be hard to be anybody who works for car company. it has to go hang out with journalists on media drives ’cause you’re in the back and

Lightning (1h 30m 21s):

And journalists

Holman (1h 30m 22s):

Are douchey and journalists are complete. Yeah. It’s completely douchey. Yeah. So anyway,

Lightning (1h 30m 27s):

So, so Mark, this is how we would like to see you off into retirement.

17 (1h 30m 33s):

D h a thank you. Thank you,

Lightning (1h 30m 40s):

Thank you Mark Allen. Thank you. Rest in peace. No,

Holman (1h 30m 43s):

No, no. He is not dead. He’s just retired. Oh that’s right. And we love him.

Lightning (1h 30m 46s):

Alright Holman, this is the part of the show when Lightning explains how he almost died in the desert.

Holman (1h 30m 54s):

I’m all ears.

Lightning (1h 30m 56s):

My name is Lightning from The Truck Show Podcast And I’m, we’re out in the middle of Arizona somewhere at a rest stop. And I see this Sprinter van. It is a sprinter isn’t it? Yeah, it’s with Umbrella Corporation plastered all over it. You’ve got lights pointed in every direction as if you are the Zombie killer. Yeah. What is the story with this van? And you’ve got all these plushies in the windshield. I’m

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 17s):

Just a gamer who’s traveling and so what’s your name? I’m Sam.

Lightning (1h 31m 21s):

Sam, where are you from?

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 22s):


Lightning (1h 31m 23s):

What are you doing in Arizona? With, on my

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 25s):

Way to see some friends in Cali so, okay. you know, just passing by. And

Lightning (1h 31m 29s):

So the Umbrella Corporation is from which Zombie movie. Which series? It’s

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 33s):

Actually from the Resident Evil

Lightning (1h 31m 34s):

Game Resident in your, okay so not the it is from the games. Got it. Alright, so And what possessed you to outfit the entire van this way?

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 41s):

It just looked like it would be something fun to do.

Lightning (1h 31m 44s):

And how many people stop you and are creeped out?

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 46s):

Oh so many times I mean I have like, you know this guy right here who was from saw, you know, jig saw and so yeah. All the time. So your

Lightning (1h 31m 54s):

Copilot is the bad guy from Saw. If you

Sam/ Gamer (1h 31m 57s):

Check all the ducks, they’re all from like different movies. I mean mean, like this one particularly is like I mean this is Rachel from Friends.

Holman (1h 32m 3s):

So, alright, that’s weird.

Lightning (1h 32m 4s):

So they, there are about a hundred of these little three inch, four inch tall plushy toys. They’re all ducks, but the faces are celebrities. Yeah. Okay.

Holman (1h 32m 14s):


Lightning (1h 32m 15s):

That wasn a little odd. But dude, I could not get past his passenger seat buckled in its jigsaw from the Saw movies. And if you’ve ever seen those, it’s that the freakiest tiny clown character. It’s just, I will post a photo on at L B C Lightning and at Truck Show podcast and you will see what I mean in broad daylight. It’s freaky.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 32m 40s):

A lot of the other ones are from different shows and different movies that, you know, we grew up with. So it’s just something fun to do. And I travel and like wherever I go and I find a toy store or something, I stop there and pick something up and it ended up like this.

Lightning (1h 32m 53s):

So is this you have living quarters in the back? Yeah. Okay.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 32m 56s):

Yeah, if you gimme a second I can show you

Holman (1h 32m 57s):

No, say no lighting.

Lightning (1h 32m 58s):

Say no, close the truck. hold on. It’s a trap.

Holman (1h 33m 0s):

It’s the trap.

Lightning (1h 33m 1s):

Oh dear God. This is when he kills me. This is gonna be all Holman. I’m at a rest stop about 40 miles east of Kingman, Arizona. All right, here we go.

Holman (1h 33m 12s):

I hope that was not the door shutting with you in it.

Lightning (1h 33m 15s):

It is sketchy jigsaw’s in the passenger seat

Holman (1h 33m 19s):

Gun to be so sketchy.

Lightning (1h 33m 21s):

Where am I going? Side door slider. Okay. I gotta be honest. When he opened the slider, I had no idea what I was gonna see. I truly was freaked. Oh no way. Look at all this like redwood. The whole inside of the van is done in Redwood. So like

Sam/ Gamer (1h 33m 41s):

The bed’s there, I have storage underneath refrigerator and it’s all made it look like a wood cabin. So. it feels like I’m somewhere in North North Carolina, you know? Do

Lightning (1h 33m 50s):

You do gaming for a living or how are you able to take so much time off and just cruise the country?

Sam/ Gamer (1h 33m 55s):

I mean, I, I do a lot of that too, but mainly like I worked for I mean I’m older than I Look.

Lightning (1h 34m 1s):

What do you think he does? How do you think he affords the life to, to be cruising around in a Mercedes sprinter van full of Plessy toys a dog and, and Jigsaw

Holman (1h 34m 12s):

Toy Trader I mean, is he like a a, a keepsake guy? Is he don? Don’t know. You’ll never

Lightning (1h 34m 21s):


Holman (1h 34m 21s):

Yeah, I won’t

Sam/ Gamer (1h 34m 22s):

So I actually own a couple of Pizza stores and so now that I own them, I don, this is

Holman (1h 34m 28s):

Getting, I don’t really

Sam/ Gamer (1h 34m 28s):

Really have to work in them, I just let other people do it.

Lightning (1h 34m 30s):

No kidding.

Holman (1h 34m 31s):

I’m go in a

Lightning (1h 34m 32s):

Pizza store. Oh, are they like gourmet Pizza places or like Papa John’s or

Sam/ Gamer (1h 34m 35s):

They’re like family owned Pizza places. It’s pretty well known in Florida. I guess I mean if you’re in Orlando. So, but we’re like right, right there off of, you know, international Drive and Universal, what are they

Lightning (1h 34m 45s):


Sam/ Gamer (1h 34m 46s):

Broadway Pizza.

Lightning (1h 34m 47s):

Okay. So you got a few locations. Yeah. So it to afford you the ti the time to cruise around with this. What kind of dog you have here.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 34m 53s):

This is Connie Corso or Kane Corso. However people choose. Choose to, you know, name it.

Lightning (1h 34m 59s):

What an amazing setup you have here. I’ve never seen an interior of a van done with all this wood. Yeah,

Sam/ Gamer (1h 35m 5s):

It’s a little heavier than it’s, you know, you would like it to be, but it works. And the umbrella stuff, it’s just kind of cool. It’s just something that I like and I grew up playing and so I did it everywhere.

Lightning (1h 35m 15s):

Our business is life itself. Umbrella corporation. Yeah.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 35m 18s):

You know, the whole Zombie thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Lightning (1h 35m 21s):

Very cool. Congrats on the build. Oh, good Choice of wheels. He’s rolling. Black rhinos. Yep. Some friends of ours. Yep.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 35m 26s):

Yeah. Okay. Fantastic. That’s cool, right? Yeah. Like even there like, you know, little, little even

Lightning (1h 35m 30s):

So the valves, stem caps, he is got the little Umbrella Corporation logo. Yep,

Sam/ Gamer (1h 35m 34s):

That too. I, you know, I got a few more things I gotta add and change, but you know, it’s a work in progress.

Lightning (1h 35m 39s):

So for those of you that don’t know, that, don’t follow either the film or the video game series, the Umbrella corporation, they’re the bad guys. They’re the ones that are propagating the, the, the zombies. But

Sam/ Gamer (1h 35m 50s):

It’s been my first year with it, so and you’ve

Lightning (1h 35m 53s):

Got a rack up on top. You ever throw anything up there?

Sam/ Gamer (1h 35m 56s):

No. It’s more like you could, you know, sit up there ’cause I have my solar panels up there. Ah, but you could set up like two chairs or whatever and just chill at the beach and, you know, do all that. So you

Lightning (1h 36m 4s):

Could do full off grid with this thing? Pretty

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 6s):

Much, yeah. Wow. Like I, you know, I have a 25 gallon, you know, water tank in the back. Yeah.

Lightning (1h 36m 11s):

You’ve got a microwave. You’ve got a fridge, youve got, I can do

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 14s):

Like outdoor showers. Oh yeah. you know, so you’ve

Lightning (1h 36m 16s):

Got a shower showing me the Yeah, the little tank. Hot and cold water, wine glasses for a little night for two before you kill them. Yeah.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 22s):

Well I, I kind of did it. I met somebody on the road the other day and we drank like eight bottles.

Lightning (1h 36m 28s):

Holy mackerel. Yeah. And where did you bury the body?

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 32s):

I think she lives in Arkansas now, so. Well, she

Lightning (1h 36m 34s):

Did live in Arkansas. Yeah.

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 37s):

But yeah. No, that’s kind of cool. Awesome.

Lightning (1h 36m 39s):

Well great meeting you on the road. Well,

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 41s):

Thanks for stopping by. Yeah,

Lightning (1h 36m 42s):

Nice to meet you at a rest. Stop. Glad you found your people here. Do pressure washing so we can’t sit down on the park bench and chat, but yeah. No,

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 49s):

But I mean if you want take pictures. I’m, I’m okay with it. I don’t care. you know, it’s all,

Lightning (1h 36m 52s):

I’ll take a few photos

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 53s):

Time. Alright. Awesome. Thank you.

Lightning (1h 36m 55s):

Great meeting you on the road. Same

Sam/ Gamer (1h 36m 56s):


Lightning (1h 36m 57s):

So. I didn’t die. He didn’t kill me. I am suspect of the eight bottles of wine and the woman that he met and yet super weird, might not have returned home to her family in Arkansas. Hopefully

Holman (1h 37m 9s):

You recorded the time and place in case there’s an investigation.

Lightning (1h 37m 14s):

So thank you Sam for letting me interview you at a rest stop in. Oh, that’s some random spot in Arizona.

Holman (1h 37m 19s):

Definitely what I meant is, thanks for the interview. Alright, well because of that, we probably aren’t gonna be getting to any emails today. No,

Lightning (1h 37m 28s):

We don’t, don don’t think we have time. I think the show’s over.

Holman (1h 37m 31s):

Well we, we gave them more than they bargained for the last five though.

Lightning (1h 37m 34s):

We gave them laughs. We gave them information. We gave them, they cried. Little sadness. Yeah, they cried. It’s everything You want Truck show? The truck

5 (1h 37m 41s):

Show. The truck show. The truck show.

Lightning (1h 37m 46s):

Although I

Holman (1h 37m 46s):

Am looking at that giant ream of papers sitting over there of all the emails. Must be 40 emails that are stacked up.

Lightning (1h 37m 56s):

Do we want to ask for more or is that side No, we always ask. No, no. Is That is that death by email? No, we,

Holman (1h 38m 1s):

We always can use emails or phone calls. (657) 205-6105. Leave us a message on the five star hotline.

Lightning (1h 38m 10s):

Well, I sent out another batch of Frontier spotting stickers this last week, so thank you guys. It seems like it’s finally starting to tone down a little bit. So thank you for everyone that, that, that sent us your photo via email or DMM or PM or whatever of you sitting in the cab of your truck taking a photograph of a frontier out in the wild But. that has been super cool. We got all hundreds and hundreds of stickers out to you guys. And again, thank you. And there’s two dudes in Canada that claim that I haven’t sent them. Dude, nothing I can do about customs, bro.

Holman (1h 38m 43s):

Somewhere in the post

Lightning (1h 38m 44s):

Man I can’t do anything about. They’re like, I’m in, I’m not in Taiwan, I’m in Canada. I’m like, what do you want me to do? I put your post. I wrote literally hand wrote your address and sent it off and it’s some alright. British Columbia address. Alright, great. They’ll get into some boy and then another dude’s in Alberta. I’m like, what am I gonna do? Okay, don’t you guys speak, speak French up there. Calm down.

Holman (1h 39m 3s):

Listen. No, they don’t speak French in Alberta. Oh,

Lightning (1h 39m 6s):


Holman (1h 39m 7s):

Ontario. Dude, what’s wrong with you don?

Lightning (1h 39m 9s):

Don’t know my provinces.

Holman (1h 39m 11s):

You, you should go to Saskatchewan.

Lightning (1h 39m 14s):

I should. Why? you

Holman (1h 39m 15s):

Know? Just because you would.

Lightning (1h 39m 16s):

’cause it’s a funny name.

Holman (1h 39m 17s):

Yes. And they should leave you there and then you have to find your way home and you’ll be like, I don’t know where I am. And then somebody will say, Saskatchewan a and then you’re going, I still don’t know where I find,

Lightning (1h 39m 25s):

I wouldn’t have a clue.

Holman (1h 39m 26s):

All right, if you wanna follow us on the socials at Lbc Lightning at Sean p Holman, or at Truck Show Podcast, if you wanna reach out and send us an email at Truck show or if you need to hit us up individually, Holman at truck show or Lightning at truck show And we have to thank Nissan, our presenting sponsor because of Nissan. This show still exists, so blame it on them or thank them. They’ve been with us for over five years. They make a great truck. If you’re in the market for a half ton or a mid-size truck, give ’em a try. Put ’em on your list of vehicles to test drive. We don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Head over to Nissan to build in price or you can head on down to your local dealer. Check ’em out in person I, I challenge you to find a better truck at a better price.

Lightning (1h 40m 7s):

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Holman (1h 40m 29s):

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Lightning (1h 41m 6s):

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Holman (1h 41m 10s):

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Lightning (1h 41m 53s):


Holman (1h 41m 53s):

Don don’t know, A subscription. Go subscribe to Onyx and see what you get for free from them with O V R. Really?

Lightning (1h 41m 60s):

Yeah. Little Collabo is what you’re saying. May maybe

Holman (1h 42m 2s):

Done a little collabo. Yeah. Hmm. Good

Lightning (1h 42m 3s):

For you. Yeah. I assume you set that up

Holman (1h 42m 6s):


Lightning (1h 42m 6s):

Yeah. You may have had a hand in that

Holman (1h 42m 8s):

Who might have known some people. Ah, yeah. O V R. Anyway, just a little plug. O v r You can subscribe digital or print and support myself.

Lightning (1h 42m 18s):

Holman, one final thing before we piece out on this episode. Can we read the review that’s making my blood boil?

Holman (1h 42m 27s):

Okay. This comes from Greg Madden who left us a four star review.

Lightning (1h 42m 33s):

The hell is that?

Holman (1h 42m 34s):

Why? Why would you leave us a four star review? Just leave us five. Is that really paying you that much to do the extra star? Well,

Lightning (1h 42m 40s):

Maybe he explains it.

Holman (1h 42m 41s):

He says love the show. Well, love doesn’t sound like four stars to me. He says the longest podcast ever. Okay, well it’s probably true. He goes, y’all talk 15 minutes before opening the show and then talk for 15 minutes after closing the show like we’re doing right now. Too many squirrels running around in your heads. I love every minute of it and always look forward to the next episode then. Why isn’t that five stars? hold on. It gets better. What? It gets better. Thank you for continuing to do the show and pushing it to make it better. And then follow along on the screen. They’re Lightning where my cursor is. What’s the very next thing he says in his review?

Lightning (1h 43m 19s):

Five goddamn stars.

Holman (1h 43m 22s):

He says five stars

Lightning (1h 43m 23s):

With two exclamation

Holman (1h 43m 25s):

Marks and I type more. But Code Brown. Why four? Greg, Greg go back in there in Abbot Extra Star or Lightning and I are going to stick to 45 minute shows every time. And they’re gonna be super boring with no squirrels.

Lightning (1h 43m 42s):


Holman (1h 43m 44s):

You No, no, no. Lightning, No, All. Listen, is that too harsh? No, just easy. He’s still, he was four. Yeah, here’s what I’m saying, Greg, let’s sweeten the pot with you. If you email us truck show and you change this to Five Stars Lighting will email you stickers. I think stickers are worth star. I’m going to email ’em stickers. Oh, you’re gonna mail ’em stickers? Yeah. Well you can email. No, it’s cheaper for us if you email it to ’em. No, dude,

Lightning (1h 44m 10s):

I would send this mother effer

Holman (1h 44m 12s):

A shirt if he brings it up to five stars. All right. All right. Listen, the auntie has been upped. Greg Madden freaking change your review to Five Stars. You can get a shirt, you can get some stickers and we’ll, we won’t be mad at you anymore. All right. We need your love, Greg. ’cause we can’t even do the five star high five now. No high four. No, I don’t feel comfortable doing five. I don’t either. Greg, thanks for ruining the show.

19 (1h 44m 40s):

Alright, you guys love you, meaning bye

Holman (1h 44m 44s):


Lightning (1h 44m 44s):

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4 (1h 45m 49s):

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